Kokuma. Again.

[14:36] Nyverin: https://marketplace.secondlife.com/products/18061125/reviews/4560737 The fact that you're a direct competitor trying to attack this avatar is appalling. Do you enjoy chasing creators off SL that people like? Just because it's not you?
[14:36] Kokuma (alicexion): User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.
[16:10] Kokuma (alicexion): i really dont see how this became me "attacking" tethys.... the guy was my friend and i simply gave him some pointers and he didnt say anything so i shut up because obviously my opinion was not welcome by him .... and there's was ONE SINGLE day when someone came to my sim and tried talking to me about the avatar, so i simply shared an observation that i should not be shamed for because people are allowed to have opinions.... I mentioned the rigging was not his best because i have seen him do great work and i wished to see it updated because the mesh of the avatar is great..... i even mentioned in that singular occassion that i would help him rework it if he wished because i wanted to see him do well....... and AGAIN ... it wasn't mentioned to me until later that the avatar was made in a rush to pay for his monther's surgery
[16:10] Autoresponse sent: Hi!  Drop me a notecard for horn/accessory requests! If you're IMing me due to an issue with an applier, i'll get back to you at my earliest convenience!
[16:11] Kokuma (alicexion): i even helped a friend of mine make content for it because i was trying to support it however i could
[16:11] Kokuma (alicexion): i really dont understand how 1 instance of me sharing this info with someone is considered constant shit talking
[16:12] Motoko (nyverin): So you leave a review on his avatar because you... get blocked? lmao retract your review, no one other than you has those issues and you have people now jumping in calling his avatar a cash grab. All because you started shit.
[16:12] Kokuma (alicexion): people talk absolute trash about my avatars, but guess what ... freedom of speech... you should see what some other creators say about me in public spaces, i can tell you it's alot worse than "i have seen them do better and i would like ot help them improove"
[16:13] Motoko (nyverin): You're. A. Competitor. And unless you retract your statement you'll be flagged as a competitor.
[16:13] Motoko (nyverin): https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/631026034590089230/642516971509776396/unknown.png
[16:14] Kokuma (alicexion): wait....
[16:14] Motoko (nyverin): Retract your statement. This is not up for debate.
[16:14] Kokuma (alicexion): is this because people are taking my statement as trying to make the avatar seem cheap and for money only...? ._.
[16:15] Motoko (nyverin): Yes.
[16:15] Motoko (nyverin): Issue a retraction or delete it.
[16:15] Kokuma (alicexion): that's not what i meant at all..... fuck...
[16:15] Motoko (nyverin): You did mean that, and it is attracting other people to do it.
[16:17] Motoko (nyverin): You need to retract the statement as soon as possible.
[16:17] Kokuma (alicexion): i'm writing something out...
[16:18] Kokuma (alicexion): i didn't mean for it to come across like that
[16:18] Motoko (nyverin): Let me see it before you post it. I might be able to assist you in fixing the situation.
[16:18] Kokuma (alicexion): ok ty
[16:18] Kokuma (alicexion): i'll send it to you once it's written out
[16:19] Kokuma (alicexion): i was simply attempting to correct lies that are going around about me cause it's being said i am harassing tethys, when before this i had only ever spoken about his avatar once outside of helping feng, and said i wished to help improove it....
[16:19] Motoko (nyverin): I honestly think the initial  review should be deleted before you post anything new at all, considering the comments.
[16:20] Kokuma (alicexion): "it seems some have taken what i have said in the wrong way ... and i am extremely sorry for this.... I in no way am trying to imply the avatar is cheap or a cash grab in any way, i know this creator has been planning to make a dragon for a long while now .... i was simply trying to explain that i can understand why there would be a hurry to release it."
[16:21] Kokuma (alicexion): also you really didnt need to approach me so aggressively about this..... i'm not a dick... just trying to explain what is happening because it is causing harassment towards me..
[16:22] Motoko (nyverin): I know what's happening, you need to realize that because of your review mods and updates have STOPPED and you've gotten someone to borderline quit. You *do* deserve to be banned for your behavior alone, you have NO right to do that.
[16:24] Kokuma (alicexion): actually i dont know that... no one says shit to me. also this wouldn't have been posted if lies weren't spread about me. i tried to explain shit to tethys but he just blocked me then started spreading lies about me and got me banned from a couple of places. i shared that i wanted him to improove ONCE and shut my mouth, and it became harassment towards me effecting my income.... i really dont see this as unfair at all.
[16:25] Motoko (nyverin): Tethys didn't spread lies about you lol.
[16:25] Motoko (nyverin): You're trying to manipulate the wrong person, girl.
[16:25] Kokuma (alicexion): i was told by 2 sim owners that he pulled them into discord calls to talk shit about me...
[16:25] Motoko (nyverin): He's been with us the whole time.
[16:25] Kokuma (alicexion): and wtf? i'm not trying to manipulate you
[16:26] Motoko (nyverin): You've been lied to, it seems.
[16:26] Kokuma (alicexion): the same day he messaged me to threaten me, and blocked me, was the day i was told he was spreading these lies about me.
[16:26] Kokuma (alicexion): i doubt he is with you all hours of every day
[16:27] Motoko (nyverin): He might've been mad at you lol. You're interfering with his business that he relies on very much. How would you like it if someone did that to you, and all your avatars no longer sold?
[16:27] Motoko (nyverin): And yeah, he basically is lol.
[16:29] Kokuma (alicexion): and he interfered with my business already. that review was not made until i started getting banned from places. SL is my job, i rely on it just as much as he does. my intention was not to halt his sales, but i will not be removing the review until something is done about the BS he has caused for me
[16:29] Motoko (nyverin): We're actually friends here, and we do give a shit about each other. If he stepped out to do anything it was to smoke or to eat/take care of his family lol. You were played, because you're young and naive.
[16:29] Motoko (nyverin): What BS did he cause you? Because as far as i'm concerned he didn't do anything, you fucked yourself over and Becky probably made the choice on her own.
[16:29] Kokuma (alicexion): the sim owners themselves were claiming to have gone direstly to tethys.....
[16:30] Motoko (nyverin): lol maybe they just hate you? He hasn't posted anything on your products, he hasn't said anything to anyone else.
[16:30] Kokuma (alicexion): why would a random sim owner wish to just randomly ban me over such an oddball reason..... if they wanted a reason there's so many other things they could have come up with that weren't so specific
[16:30] Motoko (nyverin): What sim owner?
[16:31] Kokuma (alicexion): they were telling me all about how they couldn't understand tethys super well because he is greek and a bunch of unneeded details abotu him
[16:31] Kokuma (alicexion): monticeto bay.
[16:31] Motoko (nyverin): That's Becky.
[16:31] Kokuma (alicexion): they sent me a massive notecard about harassment
[16:31] Kokuma (alicexion): which never occured
[16:31] Motoko (nyverin): What Becky said is you were banned because you were a cunt to people about tags they were wearing.
[16:32] Motoko (nyverin): That's all I know.
[16:32] Kokuma (alicexion): becky told me it was because i was harassing tethys
[16:32] Kokuma (alicexion): also tags? wtf?
[16:32] Kokuma (alicexion): why do i care what tags people have on?
[16:32] Motoko (nyverin): Becky's kind of a dense fucker, I slapped her twice so far for being a dunce.
[16:32] Kokuma (alicexion): the entire montecito bay staff refuses to speak to me
[16:33] Motoko (nyverin): I don't know, something about "advertising other stores" or some autistic shit like that.
[16:33] Kokuma (alicexion): what?
[16:33] Motoko (nyverin): From what i'm hearing Moth? or something TOLD Becky to get rid of you.
[16:33] Motoko (nyverin): So it's NOT her but it had absolutely nothing to do with us or Tithis
[16:34] Kokuma (alicexion): idk why they would
[16:34] Kokuma (alicexion): hold on
[16:34] Motoko (nyverin): From what i'm hearing more than one person complained about your conduct
[16:34] Motoko (nyverin): So the actual SIM OWNER had you removed.
[16:34] Motoko (nyverin): Not Becky, but the guy who actually owns and pays for the land.
[16:34] Kokuma (alicexion): https://gyazo.com/811e276b9968a05370cee7364a7b439b
[16:35] Motoko (nyverin): What Becky said is it was more than one person who agreed you should be removed.
[16:35] Motoko (nyverin): You have no right to take it out on Tithis.
[16:36] Kokuma (alicexion): i'm not taking anything out on him, i am simply trying to explain the situation in the one place i can think of
[16:36] Motoko (nyverin): So you're trying to blackmail Tithis until he fixes something that wasn't even his fault?
[16:37] Kokuma (alicexion): blackmail? wtf??? no!
[16:37] Kokuma (alicexion): i have already explained to you, i in no way intended to halt sales or content or even to imply his avatar was a cash grab...
[16:37] Motoko (nyverin): But you said that until he fixes the issue you won't remove the review.
[16:38] Motoko (nyverin): And the issue clearly wasn't his fault.
[16:38] Motoko (nyverin): It was LOADS of people complaining about you being a rude fuck about tags/other avatars/etc most likely and the staff of that sim had enough with the complaints and you were removed.
[16:38] Motoko (nyverin): That's. Not. His. Fault.
[16:38] Motoko (nyverin): That's on YOU.
[16:39] Kokuma (alicexion): becky admitted themself that tethys went to MB to get me banned... that is what i am talking about. all i wish is for the lies to stop
[16:39] Kokuma (alicexion): also idk wtf this tag shit is, i just sit in my sim and make shit
[16:39] Kokuma (alicexion): once in awhile chat with the people who come here
[16:39] Motoko (nyverin): Do you have proof of Becky saying that?
[16:39] Motoko (nyverin): Group titles.
[16:40] Kokuma (alicexion): https://gyazo.com/8a337ae33f78d7080f83c9724a9543e5
[16:40] Kokuma (alicexion): idk why i would even say anything about a grup title. people come here with group titles of sims i hate constantly and i never say shit about it
[16:40] Motoko (nyverin): Apparently you do.
[16:40] Kokuma (alicexion): i dont control where people do or what they do, idgaf
[16:41] Kokuma (alicexion): where is the proof of this? cause i can tell you i've never done it
[16:42] Kokuma (alicexion): https://gyazo.com/e20094ff287a5b2a8a7f3ccd65a07d8c
[16:42] Motoko (nyverin): I'll get word from Becky herself.
[16:42] Motoko (nyverin): Would that make you happy? Will that convince you to stop trying to blackmail Tithis?
[16:42] Kokuma (alicexion): go for it
[16:42] Kokuma (alicexion): i'm not trying to fucking blackmail him
[16:43] Motoko (nyverin): But what you're doing *is* Blackmail.
[16:43] Motoko (nyverin): Regardless of what your intentions are.
[16:43] Kokuma (alicexion): it's people twisting my words and intentions like you are doing now that causes situations like this.
[16:43] Motoko (nyverin): You're the one who is bypassing a block and trying to blackmail him lol.
[16:44] Motoko (nyverin): You deserve to be banned for that shit and your absolute refusal to see what you're doing is wrong is gross.
[16:44] Kokuma (alicexion): i just want the lies and bullshit to stop because i'm fucking hurt, all i ever wanted was to fucking support the guy and help him improove. so when lies are spread about me and i have no way to clear them up yeah i'm gonna explain in a public space.
[16:45] Motoko (nyverin): No, you bombed his fucking avatar and invited other people to attack him based on the shit YOU said.
[16:45] Kokuma (alicexion): i didn't do that on purpose and you know that
[16:46] Motoko (nyverin): But you hurt Tithis so you have no right to act like you're the only one hurt.
[16:46] Kokuma (alicexion): also how do you know that was caused be me anyways? feng told me he was already being attacked before that review was made. my review might have had no effect at all..
[16:46] Motoko (nyverin): I know a lot of shit, because I have connections.
[16:46] Kokuma (alicexion): and again, my intention was not to hurt tethys... ever...
[16:47] Kokuma (alicexion): ok? so know shit, fact of the matter is i didn't fucking harass the guy or fucking say shit about peoples tags
[16:47] Motoko (nyverin): Yes, because you drag your dirty laundry with a creator into the public in a review because you got blocked, you REALLY want to tell me your intention wasn't to hurt him?
[16:48] Kokuma (alicexion): i worded it as nicely as i could in an attempt to explain it as a misunderstanding ... not an attack....
[16:48] Motoko (nyverin): On his FIRST big product no less.
[16:48] Kokuma (alicexion): he has many big products
[16:48] Motoko (nyverin): You only need to remove the review and i'll make sure the "drama" stops.
[16:48] Motoko (nyverin): I can only control so much, though.
[16:49] Motoko (nyverin): It's up to you, if you want things to stop you need to take the necessary steps.
[16:49] Kokuma (alicexion): i'll take it down but the instant i hear it's still happening and tethys still wont let me explain the situation to him, i'm putting it back up.
[16:50] Motoko (nyverin): Report it to me first.
[16:50] Kokuma (alicexion): will do
[16:50] Kokuma (alicexion): review is gone.
[16:50] Motoko (nyverin): Also, respect that Tithis does NOT want to talk to you. I'll do what I can but I can not force him to talk to you.
[16:51] Kokuma (alicexion): idgaf if he speaks to me right now, but if i hear he is still spreading shit about me and refusing to let me explain to him my side of the situation, what else can i do to clear up the situation.
[16:52] Motoko (nyverin): We're not spreading shit so I don't know WHO is, and they're probably someone who knows your issue with him
[16:52] Kokuma (alicexion): plesio and rook were the people who were there and heard me speak, i suggest talking ot them.
[16:53] Kokuma (alicexion): but considering the people who spoke to me are saying they heard it from tethys, i doubt it was them.
[16:53] Motoko (nyverin): They could be fucking with you.
[16:53] Kokuma (alicexion): what reason would they have to lie about that
[16:53] Kokuma (alicexion): honestly
[16:54] Motoko (nyverin): Plesio DOES start drama because she's actually fucking pathetic like that, I can explain if you want to VC, which is just.. easier.
[16:55] Kokuma (alicexion): i'm trying to deal with shit irl right now... feng explained shit with plesio to me
[16:55] Motoko (nyverin): Yeah, if anyone it's most likely her.
[16:55] Motoko (nyverin): Like i'm sorry to say but she DOES tend to start shit to watch things burn.
[16:56] Kokuma (alicexion): when i spoke to them they said their "boss" said they heard shit from someone about me but wouldn't give a name
[16:56] Motoko (nyverin): If someone refuses to give you a name, it's probably bullshit.
[16:56] Kokuma (alicexion): becky refused to give names besides tethys'
[16:57] Motoko (nyverin): I'll talk to Becky about it but she IS a dense fucker
[16:57] Kokuma (alicexion): she wouldn't even show logs with names blurred or anything
[16:57] Kokuma (alicexion): i am just wanting to see the supposed proof that is being hidden
[16:58] Motoko (nyverin): There probably isn't any, but Plesio might've started this shit after you gave her something to use.
[16:58] Kokuma (alicexion): she said she has "seen" shit i have said .... but i only ever spoke to feng, and the one other time i spoke about it was in voice
[16:58] Motoko (nyverin): But i'm not sure and all of this is speculation.
[16:58] Kokuma (alicexion): so there's nothing ot be "seen"
[16:58] Motoko (nyverin): Yeah.
[16:58] Motoko (nyverin): Plesio starts shit. It happens.
[16:59] Motoko (nyverin): I JUST lifted my fucking ban on her but she knows it's her LAST chance
[16:59] Kokuma (alicexion): the biggest issue here is i get all these rumors thrown back at me, but not one ounce of proof, and it hurts to see people just instantly go "kuma is a bad person" without anything to be shown for it...
[16:59] Motoko (nyverin): I get you're young and stupid, but not an inherently bad person.
[17:00] Kokuma (alicexion): i just sit on my sim and make shit i think is cute. idk why i would car what anyone else does unless it impacts my job.
[17:00] Kokuma (alicexion): care*
[17:01] Motoko (nyverin): tbh Plesio started shit with me and my sim after Zeenia and I banned her from our sims for starting drama.
[17:02] Motoko (nyverin): So my proof is unfortunately in the pattern.
[17:02] Kokuma (alicexion): plesio and i really dont have much of a history so idgaf about them... i havent done shit to them but let them rent a gacha resale stall on my sim before
[17:02] Kokuma (alicexion): they come to my sim on rare occassions to just chat but they dont stay long
[17:02] Motoko (nyverin): You still shouldn't trust her, she's... not a good person.
[17:03] Kokuma (alicexion): i'll keep that in mind when around them, but i really dont like to just believe someone is a bad person without seeing things.
[17:04] Motoko (nyverin): Do you know what Occam's Razor is?
[17:05] Motoko (nyverin): It's the old belief that sometimes the easiest solution is the correct one.
[17:14] Kokuma (alicexion): nevr heard the term before