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Servius Regulus Lucius: // Wonderful.
Lucius Ursinius: //i have a shitton of things that I'm supposed to propose for Gough
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Tuesday, November 21, 2017
3:58 PM - Papa Bernie: Is everyone aware of our legionary movements?
3:59 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: // Back
4:00 PM - Marcus Julius Cornelius: //We can start in 5 mins or earlier
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4:01 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: // I don't mind, I am not really in the politics apart from just a Senator?
4:02 PM - Papa Bernie: We will start at 5:05 EST
4:02 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: // Before we begin I have been asked to remind everyone to read the rules in the discussion page, in particular wartime rules.
4:03 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: // http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Senatus_Populusque_Romanus_SPQR/discussions/3/ for wartime
4:04 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: // Also I recommend reading the Constitution: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Senatus_Populusque_Romanus_SPQR/discussions/1/1480982971166567257/
4:05 PM - GuardsGhost entered chat.
4:05 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: // That will be all.
4:05 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: // It should start now due to the event
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4:05 PM - Flavius Arcadius Lucianus entered chat.
4:05 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: // The Consuls decide when to start it. Consular word is law.
4:06 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: // I said should not is XD
4:06 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: // True point.
4:06 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: Ave fellow Senators!
4:06 PM - Sigismund entered chat.
4:06 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: Ave.
4:07 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: Ave!
4:07 PM - Papa Bernie: Ave
4:08 PM - Sigismund: Ave
4:08 PM - Papa Bernie has changed their name to Consul Augustus Antonius.
4:08 PM - Flavius Arcadius Lucianus: Ave
4:10 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: As I did not call this meeting, I ask that those with proposals please state that they have proposals to... propose.
4:11 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: I have a proposal to state towards the senate.
4:13 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: (Please tell me OOCly if I am saying it wrong or if I am supposed to be doing it a different way XD)
4:13 PM - Lucius Ursinius: I have a few as well
4:13 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: So do I.
4:13 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //*Pulls out doc*
4:14 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //I have a lot
4:14 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //So if people wanna go first they should go first
4:14 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: //Please keep messages to a minimum tonight to keep logs short
4:14 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: Ganicus, speak your proposal.
4:16 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: It is a rather simple one Senators.
4:17 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: *He would stand up, his little chick pea sized bump showing he was rather different compaired to most of the people of the senate*
4:19 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: "I propose a very simple idea, we should move the military headquarters and the training area south, to help keep it more centralised incase of yet another defeat from oncoming forces which are mainly aggressive in the south. Perhaps to Brundisium or Neapolis or even my hometown of Capua. Moving the military camp there allows our Forces to replenish more easily than going to Roma from where the frontier is only to just go back there."
4:20 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: *After a short silence the man would sit down, deciding to reach for his stylis, going to write opinions on it or perhaps a tally chart of some kind*
4:21 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: Senator, perhaps you misunderstand the situation.
4:21 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: "Would moving them south not push them further away from the frontline?"
4:21 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: Exactly my thoughts, Senator Lucius.
4:21 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: Our enemies are pinned down in the south by the Spartans. The brunt of the enemy is to the north.
4:22 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: I meant more for a perminant manner, there are only one enemy in the north, there are many south.
4:23 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: And we can now use our fleets more effectively, due to Carthage distruction.
4:23 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: I believe that this issue should be spoken more of after the war.
4:23 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: I cannot in good faith allow this while we are at war with Massalia. Perhaps when we start focusing our ambitions to the east. But for now, this is not a wise move.
4:23 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: At the moment we must focus our forces, including our trainning camps, where they can more easily be sent to the front.
4:24 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: I agree, while this is definitely a discussion for the future it is not a matter of importance at the moment.
4:24 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: Well, do you think the prime area would be in Roma?
4:24 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //There would be no central command during this time period
4:24 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //It would be the commander's job to see to all these details.
4:24 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: Honourable Consul, I would like to propose something regarding the war.
4:24 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: // I am more talking about the "way you get your legions to full strength" you need to go to Roma
4:25 PM - Lucius Ursinius: As would I.
4:25 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: I must use my veto on this proposal, it will not go to vote. When we win this war we will revisit.
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4:26 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: Lucius Ursinius, speak your proposals (//going by first come first serve)
4:26 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //It's a list
4:26 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: //Can you PM me them real quick?
4:26 PM - Flavius Arcadius Lucianus entered chat.
4:26 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //Yep
4:26 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //Oh disclaimer
4:27 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //These are Manilus'
4:27 PM - Marcus Julius Cornelius: //Who is gonna kep logs and post it after?
4:27 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: //Me

4:29 PM - Marcus Julius Cornelius: //Alright ty
4:30 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: // Ready to continue?
4:30 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: // Well he veto'd my proposals, so, yeah
4:31 PM - Lucius Ursinius: Senators on behalf of our esteemed Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus I am proud to present these proposals to the noble senate.
4:31 PM - Lucius Ursinius: Here are the military reforms:
I. Henceforth, the capite censi, those men who hold no property shall be assessed in the census. These men are to be "counted by the head," thus now placing them among the ranks of those who can be recruited for the purposes of providing men for Rome's military.
II. Henceforth, Rome shall maintain a standing army of no less than five legions. Additionally, training and equipment shall be standardized throughout the legions. Drilling and training shall take place all year round, even in times of peace, not just when war threatened.
A. The composition of the legion shall be standardized in the following manner:
1. Between 2 and 6 legions shall comprise an army.
2. The total number of men in a full strength legion shall be 6,000, with 4,800 actual soldiers while the rest shall be classified as non-combatants.
3. Each legion shall consist of 10 cohorts of 6 centuries each.
i. The first cohort shall consist of 5 double strength centuries (each containing 160 men).
4. Each century shall consist of 100 men, 80 of which shall be legionaries and the remaining 20 non-combatants.
5. Each century shall consist of of 10 contubernia led by a decanus.
i. The contubernium shall consist of 8 legionaries and 2 non-combatant servants who tent and mess together.
B. Each century shall fight as a unit, march as a unit and camp as a unit. It shall carry with it all the arms and accoutrements required to feed and maintain it as a fighting unit. Each man was responsible for carrying his own supplies, weapons and several days' worth of rations. The legions were shall be kept in peak physical condition and discipline by constant training.
4:31 PM - Lucius Ursinius: III. The state shall supply the legions with arms.
A. The state shall provide permanent employment and pay for those who enlist, in addition to the opportunity to gain spoils on campaign.
B. Those who enlist will serve for a term of 16 years.
C. Those who enlist shall be offered retirement benefits in the form of land grants.
1. Members of the head count who will have completed their term of service will be given a pension by their general and a plot of land in whatever conquered region they are stationed in on which to retire.
2. Officers and commanders shall be given monetary rewards.
IV. Rome shall initiate the construction of three fleets at the following locations:
A. Rome
B. Syracuse
C. Brundisium
V. The Praetorian Guard shall be established for the purposes of protecting Rome's generals in the field. However, the Praetorian Guard shall not be permitted to enter Rome.
4:31 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //Sorry for the text wall
4:32 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: // Have the Marian Reforms come early or something?
4:32 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //Yes
4:32 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //He copyrighted them under the Manlian Reform.
4:32 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: //Please take the time to read this.
4:32 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //This is the exclusive intellectual property of Gough and me.
4:32 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: " You want to do this now? "
4:32 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: " Right now? "
4:32 PM - Marcus Julius Cornelius: //The Marian Reforms are in 40 years, a bit early but if everyone agrees it would boost our playing power instead of just weak hastati
4:32 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: I believe it is not the right time to make these reforms, the expense and how they would decrease domestic output and therefore decrease taxes will be too much of a strain on the economy.
4:33 PM - Lucius Ursinius: We must adapt or perish Senator.
4:33 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: " Senator Ursinius, you wish to enact such military reforms... now? In the middle of a war?"
4:33 PM - Lucius Ursinius: And I feel that these are the best way to do so.
4:33 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: This is a time of war fellow senator, reforming our military right now is not a great idea.
4:33 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: While I believe you have some fantastic ideas here, now is not the time.
4:33 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: " Lovely brave words, are we all fools ot fall for such obnoxious words?"
4:33 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: It's a fantastic idea, Senators, but if you haven't noticed, we are at war.
4:33 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //I mean
4:33 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: " We are attacked on all fronts, we have no time to sort through the tax codes, find the funding, enact the reforms, train the troops. That is madness!"
4:34 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: Consul may we have only one individual making his argument of these reforms at one time?
4:34 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: I would let the record show that I agree that our military is in need of reforms. However, this is not the right time to destabilise our forces. We need to focus at this war and make military reforms AFTER the war.
4:34 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: I don't particularly wish to see our legions absolutely destabilised like this at a time like this.
4:34 PM - Lucius Ursinius: I am willing to lend my fortune to Rome
4:34 PM - Marcus Julius Cornelius: I belive after our war with Massila and Gal we can work on reforms but right now we do not have the funds to do such a task.
4:34 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: Money is not the issue Senator.
4:34 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: " I do not disagree with the reforms, I give them credit. They are innovative indeed, but the vote should be proposed at a later date.
4:34 PM - Lucius Ursinius: As I have done in the negotiations with the Nervii
4:34 PM - Lucius Ursinius: As all proud Romans should do when the state is in crisis.
4:35 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: Senators, if the Senate of the past decided to suddenly reform the legions like this when Hannibal was at the gates, would we still have a Rome left?
4:35 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: Of course, but these proposals would destabilise our current forces.
4:35 PM - Lucius Ursinius: Not if we do it during the replenishment.
4:35 PM - Lucius Ursinius: As you are well aware, when legions fight, they lose men.
4:35 PM - Lucius Ursinius: Men die of disease, desert, or get mustered out due to wounds.
4:35 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: Look, I think we can all agree that these reforms are certainly innovative and interesting but now is definitely not the time.
4:35 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: " If you truly believe all proud Romans react like this in a crises then I think you've never seen how swayable the plebs are. You try explaining the taxes to them."
4:36 PM - Marcus Julius Cornelius: Besides the manipular formation has worked for rome in the past and it shall work now in our curent war.
4:36 PM - Marcus Julius Cornelius: *current*
4:36 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: " Consul, can we be done with this matter quickly and put it to vote? I think the senate has spoken."
4:36 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: This is not the time, Senator. They are fantastic and in other times I would certainly vote for this, but not while we are at a war with the rest of the world.
4:36 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //Wait up
4:36 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //Johnny's coming
4:36 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //Let him speak for his bill
4:36 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //As Consul
4:37 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: // Consul veto the Consul pls
4:37 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: // He said he would not attend.
4:37 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //So you guys don't want to vote on the fleets?
4:37 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //He's finding time
4:37 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //Or did you miss the fleets?
4:37 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: // And the consul should not set a precedent of vetoing when argument has ended just cause it's a clear vote for ssomething.
4:37 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: //Please keep all messages to a minimum and on topic.
4:37 PM - Lucius Ursinius: What about the Fleets Senators
4:37 PM - Lucius Ursinius: At least consider them?
4:38 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: Consul I support Illyrianius with the want for a vote.
4:38 PM - Lucius Ursinius: IV. Rome shall initiate the construction of three fleets at the following locations:
A. Rome
B. Syracuse
C. Brundisium
4:38 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: " Now this I agree with. "
4:38 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: THREE FLEETS AT THE SAME TIME!!!!
4:38 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //If you fucking read the bill
4:38 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: That's a costly request...
4:38 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: " I actually wished to propose similar legislation."
4:38 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: *Spits out grape*
4:38 PM - Sigismund: Eheu
4:39 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: //I will not ask a third time. Keep chat messages on topic, and and brief/to the point. Logs become really difficult to read when people need to sort through this stuff.
4:39 PM - Lucius Ursinius: "We will be spending treasure regardless, if we commit some of it to the common defence perhaps it will show that we are trying to make honest efforts to defend Rome."
4:40 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: " Masillia as a trading power is powerful at the sea. They will starve our cities dry and if we do not get the grain supply the city will destroy itself long before the barbians reach us."
4:40 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: My business outside of Rome deals with trade and trade fleets, you cannot profitably create three different effective fleets at the same time, both in manpower and gold.
4:40 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: "Believe me Senators, the cost for a fleet is much less then the damage the disruption to trade will cost."
4:40 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: Consul, I motion to postpone the majority of the bill until post-war, but retain the fleet building.
4:40 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: We cannot build three fleets at once.
4:40 PM - Sigismund: Second
4:40 PM - Lucius Ursinius: We can.
4:41 PM - Lucius Ursinius: And will for the good of Rome.
4:41 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: " I recall you to our forefathers fight against the Carthaginian in the first punic war. We had not fleet then, and we simply built one. That is how we destroyed their dominance of the sea. "
4:41 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: We cannot build three fleets at once.
4:41 PM - Lucius Ursinius: "We certainly can, we did so to fight Carthage."
4:41 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: " Remember good Romans! Whatever the barbarians are good at, we are better by virtue of being Roman!"
4:41 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: I second this, building fleets seems like a wonderful idea.
4:41 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: Lucius Illyrainius, that was one fleet, remember?
4:41 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //One massive fleet
4:41 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: I’d remind the Senate that during the first punic war we built 1 fleet. Not three.
4:41 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //Much bigger than 3 total war fleets.
4:41 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: And how many ships were in this fleet, dear Senators?
4:42 PM - Lucius Ursinius: Quite a lot.
4:42 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: Hundreds.
4:42 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: Would the Senator enlighten us in how many ships there is to be in per fleet?
4:42 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: How many ships in comparison are in each fleet?
4:42 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //It's a total war fleet
4:42 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //So a full stack there.
4:42 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: // Please give us a number.
4:42 PM - Lucius Ursinius: 20 ships a fleet
4:42 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //Like it is in TW
4:43 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: That isn't much of a fleet.
4:43 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: "The fleet was 120 ships senator! He is proposing 60, half that1"
4:43 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: So we built hundreds of ships at the same time, yet we cannot build 60 ships?
4:43 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: How Rome has fallen.
4:43 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: " We can easily afford this."
4:43 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: I suggest we vote on it.
4:43 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: We will first vote on Proposition IV. To build 3 fleets in Rome, Syracusa, and Brundisium. Those who whould say Aye, say Aye. Naysayers say nay.
4:43 PM - Lucius Ursinius: Aye
4:43 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: Aye.
4:43 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: Aye.
4:43 PM - Flavius Arcadius Lucianus: Aye.
4:43 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: Oh, if we're talking about building 60 ships then I'd vote aye.
4:43 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: Abstain.
4:43 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: "Aye!"
4:43 PM - Sigismund: Aye
4:43 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //Now nobody take our shit
4:44 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: Aye.
4:44 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: // I just don't think 20 ships are a fleet, when a average fleet in ancient times was between 200-1207 XD
4:44 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //We use total war numbers since we use that to fight.
4:44 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: Motion passed.
4:44 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //So it'll be a full stack of boats in TW
4:44 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus entered chat.
4:45 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //Hey Gough
4:45 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: // So shouldn't the carthage fleet be under the same scrutany?
4:45 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: Next propositon. Proposition V: Do we build the Praetorian Guard to protect Roman generals in the field.
4:45 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: //Debate before vote.
4:45 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: // Evening.
4:45 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: They would not be permitted to enter Rome.
4:45 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: // We can't have these numbers different in comparison, it's insane
4:46 PM - Lucius Ursinius: V. The Praetorian Guard shall be established for the purposes of protecting Rome's generals in the field. However, the Praetorian Guard shall not be permitted to enter Rome.
4:46 PM - Lucius Ursinius: Indeed Senator
4:46 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: I believe that seems like a good idea to of course protect the lives of our generals and protect the morale of our armies.
4:46 PM - Lucius Ursinius: They will not be able to enter Rome.
4:46 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: I can stand behind this motion. Excellent idea.
4:46 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: Those who would say Aye, vote Aye. Naysayers say nay.
4:46 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: Consul, I do expect you will not veto it this time?
4:46 PM - Lucius Ursinius: Aye
4:46 PM - Sigismund: Aye
4:46 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: Aye.
4:46 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: Aye.
4:46 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: "Aye"
4:46 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: (No discussion?)
4:47 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: Aye. I can appreciate this part of the bill, as it is not as dangerous as the last iteration.
4:47 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: Can I ask for more clarification on the numbers and whom will be of command of the guard?
4:48 PM - Lucius Ursinius: I feel that for now, it will be up to the General to outfit and recruit the guard.
4:48 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: Indeed.
4:48 PM - Lucius Ursinius: That way we can save money to construct the fleet.
4:48 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //Also prestige
4:48 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: So....A general could get 1000 and call it his guard just to get the biggest army of the Romans?
4:48 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: Motion passes.
4:48 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: I believe that may be wise in the short-term.
4:48 PM - Lucius Ursinius: We will add more legislation when the crisis passes Senator
4:49 PM - Lucius Ursinius: And if they can pay for 1000 guards.
4:49 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: But in the long-term, you have bodyguards who will become loyal to their General rather than Rome.
4:49 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: Let them have as many guards as they can pay for, for now.
4:49 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: Because they are relying on the generals to pay them.
4:49 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: These are your proposals, Consul.
4:49 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: Once the war's over, we can discuss the ins and outs.
4:49 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: "What, what?"
4:49 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: I believe legislation should be made that will not cause any crisis that is known at the time.
4:49 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: " That was not part of the motion, the guard per general is uncapped?"
4:49 PM - Lucius Ursinius: Senators
4:49 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: Well you never really specified in your proposal did you?
4:50 PM - Lucius Ursinius: I seek to amend the legislation.
4:50 PM - Lucius Ursinius: We will cap the men at no more than 30.
4:50 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: Thats why I wanted to ask the question for clarification.
4:50 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: That seems rather out of the field senator.
4:50 PM - Lucius Ursinius: 30 is perfect to guard the personnage of the General on the field.
4:50 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: Clarification is good and I am always willing to provide it.
4:50 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: Well it seemed it wasn't given when we were asked to suddenly vote.
4:51 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: I suggest the ample amount of between 100-150 as a maximum for the guard, 30 men is not enough to protect them if the whole legion would mutany.
4:52 PM - Lucius Ursinius: If the legion mutinies that is the fault of the general to begin with.
4:52 PM - Sigismund: I motion to recend the motion to create the Praetorian Guard to provide more time for debate.
4:52 PM - Lucius Ursinius: And 150 men is not going to save him
4:52 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: Motion rescinded for the time being, to allow for a more comprehensive bill to be drafted and put forth to the sante
4:52 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: If 150 couldn't 30 would definately not be able to.
4:52 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: I suppose the good Senator believes that command of his men involves getting them to mutiny against them?
4:53 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: //against him*
4:53 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: The Praetorian Guard is not meant to protect a General from his own men.
4:53 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: " Hang on?"
4:53 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: It is to protect him from would be spies and to serve as his bodyguard on the field of battle.
4:53 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: "Censors, was it entered into the annals? "
4:53 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: *would be assassins
4:53 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //No Censors  are here
4:53 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: Senators, we are moving on to the next proposal. This matter will come back when it is revised by it's drafters.
4:53 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: " Consul, you can not simply rescind - what?"
4:54 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //It was passed
4:54 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: "Then waht are we doing here? No law is legal?"
4:54 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: I dare not state it, but the legion can mutuany suddenly with secret deciet from political factions.. But the guards can protect him if such manner would happen until another legion would arrive, after all, it has happened before. One section of the legion protecting the general til another legion kills the mutuaneers.
4:54 PM - Sigismund: Senator, I already put a motion to rescind that motion and it was done.
4:54 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //I offered a compromise legislation
4:54 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: Can we move on now?
4:54 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //No but we didn't vote on it
4:54 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: I believe we have more pressing matters at hand now.
4:54 PM - Sigismund: I believe we can move on now, consul.
4:54 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: " Not one law we pass here comes to effect unless the censors enters them into the annals."
4:55 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: The laws passed today will be conveyed to the Censors for the purposes of entering them into the annals.
4:55 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: The only law passed however is the fleet legislation?
4:55 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: Senators, to keep this brief, we will allow an amendment to be voted on. Senators, please put forth your amendment.
4:55 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: " And give them the private opportunity to destroy the bill?"
4:56 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: On the amount being so low at 30 men, I state Nay.
4:56 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //No
4:56 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //We need to propose our amendments
4:56 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: // Huh?
4:57 PM - Lucius Ursinius: I formally propose that the general can have no more than 120 men under arms to protect his personnage on the field of battle and against would-be-assassins.
4:57 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: // Those men being the Praetorian Guard, in case it is not clear to anyone.

4:57 PM - Lucius Ursinius: Would this be a good compromise Senator?
4:58 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: Can I ask where you would find these troops from? Don't they need to be expectional solders?
4:58 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: Enough.
4:58 PM - Lucius Ursinius: That will be up to the General.
4:58 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: " SENATORS!"
4:58 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: Our soldiers are dying in the field.
4:58 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: "BY JUPITER'S BEARD!"
4:58 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: As the Consul stated, the time for debate has ended, there are amendments on the floor.
4:59 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: " WE ARE AT WAR! OUR LEGIONS ARE DYING IN THE FIELD EVERY DAY AND YOU BICKER LIKE STAMMERING FOOLS!"
4:59 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: And you Senators waste the time by discussing....
4:59 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: This.
4:59 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //We didn't need to
4:59 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: You should be ashamed.
4:59 PM - Sigismund: Senators, I advice calm.
4:59 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //Someone wanted numbers
4:59 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: " WHO CARES? CAN WE PLEASE SKIP THIS USELESS BABBLE, VETO THE MOTION, AND GET TO THE GOD DAMN FUCKING WAR AT HAND ALREADY?"
4:59 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: Scipio is right, we need to move on from these trivial matters!
4:59 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: Scipio Africanus would roll in this grave.
4:59 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //It's not trivial
4:59 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: Senators. You are hereby called to order!
5:00 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: He would cry upon seeing the state of this Senate during a war.
5:00 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: // Gods damn*
5:00 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: // :)
5:00 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //This is proper Roman debate
5:00 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //Which always happens during war :P
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5:00 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: There is an amendment on the floor to provide each General with a bodyguard of no more than 120 men for the purpsoses of protecting him on the field and against would be assassins.
5:00 PM - Sigismund: *Julianus Aurelius Petronius looks around seeing everyone shouting and ribs his chin.*
5:00 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: All those in favor shall vote Aye, those opposed, Nay.
5:00 PM - Lucius Ursinius: Aye
5:00 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: Aye.
5:01 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: Aye.
5:01 PM - Sigismund: Aye
5:01 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: An amendmant should be for Praetorian Guards: To be set to be implemented two weeks after peacetime has been made, a maximum of 120 and minimum of 90 men should be given to the general from the generals expense to be recruited from the veterans of the legion as a prestigous post, duties are at the discression of the Greneral himself.
5:01 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: Aye.
5:01 PM - Flavius Arcadius Lucianus: Aye.
5:01 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: The time for debate has ended Senator, cast your vote or be silent.
5:01 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: //Ganicus this is no longer time for debate. Vote.
5:01 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: (I was writing dude)
5:01 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: Aye.
5:01 PM - Lucius Illyrianius: "Aye"
5:02 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: // I'll leave the vote open for another 60 seconds.
5:02 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: Abstain.
5:02 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: //THere's already a majority.
5:02 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: // All shall be heard though and so that their records be known to the people.

5:03 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: The Aye have it. The motion is passed.
5:03 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: (May I now make my amendment?
5:03 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: Are there any other amendments on the floor?
5:03 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: Please gods no.
5:03 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: To be set to be implemented two weeks after peacetime has been made, a maximum of 120 and minimum of 90 men should be given to the general from the generals expense to be recruited from the veterans of the legion as a prestigous post, duties are at the discression of the Greneral himself.
5:03 PM - Manius Regulus Kaeso: // SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH YOUR FUCKING AMENDMENTS YOU STUPID CUNT WE'RE GOING TO BE HERE ALL NIGHT WE'RE IN A FUCKING WAR
5:03 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //We're not fighting in it
5:03 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: ^ There is an amendment on the floor. ^
5:03 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: // <3 Kaeso
5:03 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: // .....
5:03 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: // HEAR HEAR
5:03 PM - Flavius Arcadius Lucianus disconnected.
5:03 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: // HEAR HEAR HEAR
5:03 PM - Manius Regulus Kaeso: // OH MY GOD ARE YOU RETARDED JUST SHUT UP NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT YOUR FUCKING AMENDMENTS
5:04 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //We aren't fighting int he war though :P
5:04 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: All those in favor shall vote Aye, those opposed Nay.
5:04 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: // Alright that's enough Kaeso
5:04 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: Aye
5:04 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: Nay.
5:04 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: // MIC DROPPED
5:04 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: Nay.
5:04 PM - Lucius Ursinius: Nay
5:04 PM - Sigismund: Nay
5:04 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: Nay.
5:04 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: Nay.
5:04 PM - Flavius Arcadius Lucianus entered chat.
5:04 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: Now, can we bloody well move on?
5:05 PM - Sigismund: // Let's move on now. :)
5:05 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: // 60 seconds for Flavius since he dced.
5:05 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //What are we going to do?
5:05 PM - Flavius Arcadius Lucianus: Aye // thanks
5:05 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: The floor time has ended. Scipio has a new proposal.
5:05 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: The Nays have it, the motion is not passed.
5:05 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: Put it forth.
5:05 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: Fellow Senators!
5:05 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: The time has come to cut the head of the snake. The treacherous city of Massalia has been breathing for far too long. We must end this war and show the world what happens when you threaten Rome. Therefore I propose the following plan:
5:06 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: We have currently five legions. I believe the best strategy is to focus our attack the city of Massalia itself, which is currently unprotected by any armies and is the residence of their King. If we take the city and take the population into our control, then the war is over. The Massalia Army will be forced to surrender due to us having the fate of their fellow citizens and city in our hands. And the Gaul’s will be terrified once they see the strength and resolute of our legions.
5:06 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: Therefore I propose we send three legions towards Massalia with haste so that they may reach the city quickly as possible. We send a fouth legion to defend the passage between Octuduron and Medhlan in case the Gaul’s try anything foolish. And the final legion should be left in Italy in order to protect our capital. We never know what could possibly happen and having a legion as a reserve force that protects our mainland is not foolish. I believe this is the best possible plan if we hope to end this war quick.
5:06 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: And what of the Numidians?
5:07 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: I'll come to that fellow Senator.
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5:07 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: Much appreciated.
5:07 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: A moment Senators.
5:07 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //What's the proposal?
5:08 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: Having just come from the front, I can provide you all with an update on the current situation in the field and demonstating that this proposal is unnecessary.
5:08 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: // three legions enter messlian territory, one on the border with gual and one in Italy
5:08 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //Yeah, that's already happening though
5:08 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: // ^^^^^^^^^
5:08 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: I agree with the Consul.
5:08 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: There are currently three legions besieging Massalia with a Gaelic army trapped inside.
5:09 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: A second Gaelic army is unable to come to the city's aid as a fourth legion stands ready to intercept and destroy it should it attempt to do so.
5:09 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: // I do apology if this is already in effect. There is quite a lot of confusion regarding army movements and the location of our enemy.
5:09 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //What about the Nervii?
5:10 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //Have they moved yet?
5:10 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: The first Massalian army is on the outskirts of Massalia unable to aid the city due to the fact that it is grossly outnumbered.
5:10 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: I would like to adress my second motion then.
5:10 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: The fifth legion is currently in Neopolis, prepared to defend Italia should our enemies attempt to invade.
5:10 PM - Manius Regulus Kaeso: // nobody has a clue what is going on militarily
5:10 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: With this knowledge, would Scipio like to recall the proposal?
5:10 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: I withdraw my current proposal due to the Consul information.
5:10 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: *update.
5:10 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: The Nervii army is only just finishing mustering and I assume will take the field. And it is keeping the third Gaelic army tied down in the north.
5:11 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: May I continue Consul?
5:11 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: Thank you Senator and yes, please do.
5:11 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: My second proposal is regards to our allies Numidian’s. I propose we send a diplomatic envoy in order to call upon them to join us in this war.
5:11 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: Is there any debate for this motion?

5:12 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: I would like to speak.
5:12 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: May I make a amendmant to this proposal?
5:12 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: My family has a long history of friendship with the Numidian’s, it would be a honour for me to handle this on behalf of Rome once I return to Africa.
5:12 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //Good luck
5:12 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //It hurts your wallet.
5:12 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: The motion is up for debate.
5:12 PM - Eagle Eye: //urge to purge senate rising
5:13 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: Well getting the Numidians is only natural, given the current state of things.
5:13 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: I see no reason why we wouldn't call upon their help.
5:13 PM - Lucius Ursinius: I second the motion
5:13 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: I believe it would be a good idea to make a amendmant stating that all declaration of wars towards a nation should automatically also have the Numidians requesting to enter it.
5:13 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: I had considered offering the same proposal in this meeting but decided against it as I believe we are more than capable than winning this war on our own. However, I will state that there is merit to the Senator's proposal as the Numidians will be able to keep the Egyptians in check and prevent them from interfering in our affairs in Greece, as suggested by Senator Ursinius.
5:15 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: I will state further, with full confidence, that by the end of the night, Massalia will be in Roman hands. Our generals have already been given orders to assault the city and it will be ours by nightfall. That is why I believe it is unnecessary to involve the Numidians in this conflict specifically. Their aid will be most beneficial in acting as a counterbalance to Egypt's expansion though.
5:15 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: Egypt is pressing closer to our borders...
5:15 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: We should nonetheless secure that we their friendship and support.
5:15 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: I believe that Egypt is going to make a move.
5:15 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: Consuls, may I ask to make a amendment?
5:15 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: Based on my two months in Africa.

5:16 PM - Lucius Ursinius: "What matters is if they know we sent an embassy to Numidia. That will make them pause. Which is why I feel we should send an embassy to reaffirm their loyalty to Rome under Praetor Scipio."
5:16 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: No. Amenments canot be made if it has not been first voted on.
5:16 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: I concur.
5:16 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: They are moving their forces towards Libya. We should be a bit worried.
5:16 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: Indeed.
5:16 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: A vote then Consul?
5:16 PM - Lucius Ursinius: "I also feel that we should provide the good Praetor with funds."
5:17 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: I'll come to that Lucius.
5:17 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: Those who would vote Aye, say Aye. Naysayers say nay.
5:17 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: Aye
5:17 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: Aye.
5:17 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: Aye
5:17 PM - Lucius Ursinius: Aye
5:17 PM - Sigismund: Aye
5:17 PM - Flavius Arcadius Lucianus: Aye
5:17 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: Aye.
5:17 PM - Lucius Illyrius Illyrianius: Nay
5:17 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: Abstain.
5:17 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: Aye.
5:17 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: The motion passes
5:18 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: Last motion then, if I may Consul?
5:18 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: May I ask to request for a amendment, a new section to be added?
5:18 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: Once again, I ask any senators with proposals to state their intent for a proposal.
5:18 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: Amendments will be withheld for now.
5:18 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: Thank the gods.
5:18 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: By Jupiter, thank you Consul!
5:18 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: Thank you, good Consul.
5:18 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: Anyway, may I move forward?
5:18 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: Please.
5:18 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: Next proposal, Scipio.
5:18 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: I was hoping I would not have to motion to gag him.
5:18 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: Onwards to my last motion then. Senators, as you are aware I recently sent a letter requesting funds to rebuild the city of Carthage in order to give Rome a secure harbour and fortress in Roman Africa. I don’t feel it is necessary for me to give more details, as I expect that you have read the letter.
5:19 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: // Read it here if you have not: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Senatus_Populusque_Romanus_SPQR#announcements/detail/2667683234771895030
5:19 PM - Eagle Eye: //15 peopel in here btw guys
5:19 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: //Not all are eligible to vote/are senators.
5:20 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: // It will take two weeks of RL to rebuild the city according to Celticus.
5:20 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: // To it's former size.
5:20 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: I think the request seems reasonable, we shall make Carthage a jewel of Roman pride!
5:20 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: I agree - We need more ports for these new fleets.
5:21 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: I believe it would not be a good idea to revive a city that we had distroyed due to revenge and had enev poured salt upon, my close senator.
5:21 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: More than that, it would serve as a secure base of operations for future campaigns, especially should Egypt continue to stir up strife.
5:21 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: (even*)
5:21 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: The opposing Senator is not speaking in the interests of Rome!
5:21 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: I support the motion to rebuild Carthage!
5:21 PM - Lucius Ursinius: As do I!
5:21 PM - Lucius Ursinius: We will make it Roman.
5:21 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: This is a great idea.
5:21 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: My grandfather defeated Carthage, my father annihilated Carthage. Now I propose to rebuild it. Don’t talk about revenge here Senator.
5:22 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: Those who would say Aye, say Aye. Naysayers say nay.
5:22 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: // MIC DROPPED
5:22 PM - Lucius Ursinius: Aye
5:22 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: Aye!
5:22 PM - Sigismund: Ecce!
5:22 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: Aye
5:22 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: Nay.
5:22 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: Having fought in the vanguard at the Siege of Carthage, which is where I lost my eye, I fully support this motion.
5:22 PM - Eagle Eye: *meanwhile the new Queastor is observing and making notes of the senate and the endless ammendment proposals*
5:22 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: Aye
5:22 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: Aye.
5:22 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: Aye.
5:22 PM - Sigismund: Aye

5:23 PM - Flavius Arcadius Lucianus: Aye
5:23 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: The motion passes. 9 Ayes/1 Nay.
5:23 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: //If I counted right
5:23 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: (You did yeah)
5:23 PM - Eagle Eye: //i cant count
5:24 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: As Governor I look forward into making Carthage Roman.
5:24 PM - Lucius Ursinius: I wish you look Praetor Scipio
5:24 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: Roma Invicta!
5:24 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //luck*
5:24 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //I smurt
5:24 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: Senators, I ask once again!
5:24 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: Those who would have proposals for us, please state your intent of a proposal now.
5:24 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: Amendments are withheld, keep that in mind.
5:24 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: I have three proposals Consul.
5:24 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: Instead of a proposal, can I ask a question to the floor?
5:25 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: I would ask that all questions be held until the time for debate or at the end of the session.
5:25 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: Make your propositions, Consul Titus.
5:26 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: The office of Urban Prefect shall be re-established as an elective magistracy.
A. The Urban Prefect shall be elected by the Senate to serve for a term of four weeks.
1. Only former Consuls shall be eligible for the office.
B. The Urban Prefect's authority shall be limited to within a one-mile radius beyond the boundaries of the city of Rome.
1. The Urban Prefect shall have the authority to exercise all the powers of the Consuls if they are absent from Rome. These powers include:
i. Convoking the Senate.
ii. Levying and commanding legions in times of war.
5:26 PM - Amvog the Gregarious entered chat.
5:26 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: Is this not a constitutional amendment, Senators?
5:26 PM - Amvog the Gregarious: //Hey guys. Just stopping by to look at the rp.
5:26 PM - Lucius Illyrius Illyrianius: " Excuse me!?!?"
5:26 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: // I believe it would be.
5:26 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: This is.
5:26 PM - Eagle Eye: //hi Amvog
5:26 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //welcome, we're in a Senate meeting at the moment
5:26 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: // That's completely fine. You're free to watch :)
5:27 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: Allow me to provide a justification for my proposal.
5:28 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: In these times of war, the Consuls are frequently forced to be absent on campaign. Consul Antonius and I are here today only because of the importance of this particular meeting, but upon its conclusion we shall return to the field.
5:28 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: The Urban Prefect would assume our authority in our absence to ensure the that things continue to operate smoothly.
5:29 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: Consul, I must protest! Four weeks?!
5:29 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: And to preside over Senate meetings during our prolonged absences.
5:29 PM - Sigismund: So in effect we are adding a 3rd consul?
5:29 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: I am open to amendments on that point Senator.
5:29 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: Furthermore, the Urban Prefect only holds power within the city of Rome itself.
5:29 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: I would suggest one week, to be appointed only in times of crisis.
5:29 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: Not beyond.
5:30 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: I agree with the good //Jakeman
5:30 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: May I ask for the amendmant that the Urban Prefect must not have any businesses and that instead it should be given to the nearest family member so that there is limited corruption with the office holder.
5:30 PM - Sigismund: So in effect a semi-Imperator
5:30 PM - Lucius Ursinius: I agree with one week.
5:30 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: That is redundant. //@Jakeman
5:30 PM - Sigismund: // Dictator
5:30 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: Whoever controls Rome controls the Republic. This is a counter to the constitution, we have two Consuls for a reason
5:31 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: The office of Urban Prefect would allow the Consuls to focus solely on the war effort.
5:31 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //And they swap between Consuls
5:31 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //Former Consuls
5:31 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: I can't say I agree with this proposal I'm afraid.
5:31 PM - Lucius Illyrius Illyrianius: " Mercury's cock this is stupid. Here I have a proposal, let's have a king again."
5:31 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: Senators, I call for a cry of numera!
5:31 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: All Senators please confirm presence!
5:31 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: AYE
5:31 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: Here.
5:31 PM - Lucius Illyrius Illyrianius: " Here."
5:32 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: Present.
5:32 PM - Servius Regulus Lucius: Here.
5:32 PM - Lucius Ursinius: PResent
5:32 PM - Ganicus Cornelius Aurelius: Present.
5:32 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: Present.
5:32 PM - Flavius Arcadius Lucianus: Present.
5:32 PM - Sigismund: Present
5:32 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: As I stated, the issue of the length of the term is open to amendment.
5:32 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: And the Urban Prefect would be elected by the Senate.
5:32 PM - Jakeman, Noble Citizen of London: 11 Senators. Do we have enough for an amendment?
5:32 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: Not appointed by the Consuls.
5:33 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //22 people who can vote
5:33 PM - {Praetor} Marcus Scipio | Erwin: I, as a Scipio and a fierce supporter of the Republic, cannot with good conscious vote for this proposal.
5:33 PM - Lucius Ursinius: //24
5:33 PM - Manius Regulus Kaeso: // 26, we only have 11 senators here
5:33 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: This cannot be voted in this session, their are not enough senators present.
5:33 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: Very well.
5:33 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: Senators, I must go. Consul Titus now has the floor.
5:34 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: // Getting enough Senators will be impossible. The threshold should be lowered.
5:34 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: // Any who.
5:34 PM - Consul Augustus Antonius: //Titus start makling logs it will be deleted on the regular.
5:34 PM - Consul Titus Manlius Torquatus: // Already on it.