21:34 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: so why did you actually leave discord because i somewhat doubt it was a comment i made about turrets like was suggested
21:42 - Hobnob: Im fucking done with people comming to me about code i wrote breaking and being told its "wont fix" by the only person can fix it, and super love the no actual reason given "that code is awful" comments all the time
21:45 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: k, understandable.
21:46 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: fwiw i've repeatedly almost shut everything down because of similar comments people give me
21:46 - Hobnob: its not the comments i care about
21:46 - Hobnob: and they arnt hte reason i left
21:46 - Hobnob: its not being able to fix code i wrote
21:47 - Hobnob: its bug reports about my stuff that people wont fix because its not their code
21:50 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: fwiw if you wanted to fix it i already know you have the code and wouldn't shoot down a fix to something i don't want to touch unless it breaks something else at this point.
21:51 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: not expecting anything on that front, of course
21:52 - Hobnob: i have a 2 month old copy of the gamemode that you made public accidently, i have a like 10 month old copy of starfall, and discord chat bot i have no idea
21:52 - Hobnob: its pretty hard to make updates with this
21:53 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: hm i figured you would've downloaded a more recent copy, that only got fixed last night because no one told me about it
21:53 - Hobnob: you seemed to make it pretty clear you didnt want me too
21:53 - Hobnob: so i didnt
21:53 - Hobnob: i only downloaded that one 2 months ago because kanz wanted help with a bug
21:54 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: naw, not telling me about things like that lessens my trust of you, telling me immediately increases it.
21:55 - Hobnob: i dont care enough to play your games anymore, only thing i care about is not being able to maintain my code
21:57 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: i was about to get to that part, if you want to fix it, go ahead. i'm very much indifferent to what happens on master, as long as you don't do something stupid like telling everyone to play on a different server or leaking things to people who shouldn't have it, do whatever.
22:02 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: in case that doesn't make it completely clear, you have developer access again. if you use it or not is up to you, if you don't use it at all i'll just take it away in a month.
22:17 - Hobnob: okay the hob-co community has come back from the vote
22:17 - Hobnob: 9/9 people say that its a bad idea to develop for diaspora
22:18 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: that is the expected response, i'm only giving you the option
22:18 - Hobnob: 7/9 want me to start hob-co again, but im not going to do that
22:19 - Hobnob: and the only reason im not is because the 10th member isnt here to vote
22:19 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: i wouldn't have any issue with you doing that as long as it doesn't have any of my stuff on it ^^
22:20 - Hobnob: well my legal advisor puff says because apache licence, i can use sc2
22:21 - Hobnob: the other developers are all in the position that they are fine with it
22:21 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: ye but that doesn't go for anything outside of that
22:23 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: well whatever, i'll just stand by my words that if you want to do something go ahead and that i'll remove the access if you don't use it. i don't want to have another big dumb fight that results in a community split again, this place has seen too many of them.
22:24 - Hobnob: alot of the people in hob-co think its allready happened
22:24 - Hobnob: hell 2 people have called it the "diaspora from diaspora"
22:25 - Hobnob: im not gonna do anything
22:25 - Hobnob: im just laying all my cards down on the table
22:25 - Hobnob: for better or for worse
22:26 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: yes, that's fine. i'm only opening the door because i do agree that my response to what happened before was a tad overkill.
22:26 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: i would like for them to actually bring their issues to me, for what it's worth.
22:26 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: if it's not talked about it can't be solved.
22:27 - Hobnob: well, people dont like that it takes 10-20 minutes to start up to go fight, they dont like the idea of manafacutring ammo being a requirement
22:27 - Hobnob: to name some of hte big points
22:30 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: okay, to address the first one they're really going to need to talk to me, because it isn't actually designed to take that long at all unless you're using something overkill like anubium. for the second point, i don't plan on having ammo manufacturing be a thing for anything other than super weapons, and when it does become a thing, there will be a sever for the people who don't want stuff like that.
22:30 - Hobnob: and repairs
22:31 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: only one of the two kinds of repairs use it specifically for the people who don't like to make stuff to use it, the ones that take items have less than a 10% increase in ability right now.
22:32 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: this is the stuff i've been actively requesting feedback on, no one has voiced any opinions to me so it's difficult to judge where people stand
22:34 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: njits was having some issues getting power generation going, but i thought he got that sorted. err has told me he has problems with the new stuff, but he hasn't actually sat down to tell me what or why.
22:35 - Hobnob: "totaly anonymous developer":
22:35 - Hobnob: I don't give two shits about the balance at this point, it's the fact that brandon only ever pretends to give a damn about anyone other than himself. All his problems are other people's, all his code is good and everyone else's is bad until properly called out. He constantly threatens to remove access, revert code, and ban people for minor things and things he sees as "bad". And he doesn't listen when people tell him that what he's doing is going to tear the community apart. And look at that! It has...
22:36 - Hobnob: "pumps are shit"
22:36 - Hobnob: "god please remove the pumps"
22:36 - Hobnob: "mercy fuck the pain away"
22:36 - Hobnob: "same anonymous developer":
he's fucking toxic to work with, and I don't want to deal with it right now
22:37 - Hobnob: "you guys fix everything, but i'm going to paste all over it later"
"and the ideas you had get fucked"
22:37 - Hobnob: i told everyone to drop the "be careful about what you say" rule
22:37 - Hobnob: and this is what im getting flooding my discord
22:37 - Hobnob: (i also have permission to paste all of this)
22:38 - Hobnob: "you made a thing work better but now this code i wrote 6 months ago but didnt commit isnt compatable"
22:38 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: well i don't disagree that i'm toxic to work with sometimes, but "pretend to care about other people"? if i didn't care, i would have shut this place down years ago.
22:39 - Hobnob: "that's bullshit, he keeps it open for himself"
22:39 - Hobnob: "holy fuck i have waited for this day for so long"
22:40 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: why would i pay for something that i don't even use more than a few times a year myself?
22:41 - Hobnob: "Why would a dictator still run a country?"
22:41 - Hobnob: "there's also the fact that, ever since I left the diaspora discord, I've been MARKEDLY less depressed (yes, I suffer from depression, but it's not bad enough to warrant a doctor's visit yet). I found the drive to actually go and write up a shitton of documentation and STILL want to go and do more. While working under Brandon, all I wanted to do was nothing, to come home and watch youtube until I fell asleep, maybe play some games. After leaving, I've been fucking DRIVEN."
22:42 - Hobnob: "
fuck me, I actually have tears in my eyes right now"
22:43 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: so let's boil this down then, the issues i'm hearing right now are "i'm toxic to work with" and "we don't like where things are going". is that the short version?
22:44 - Hobnob: that, and the other big main one is our code gets overwritten / force commited over *alot*
22:44 - Hobnob: and/or broken because of that
22:44 - Hobnob: but yeah
22:44 - Hobnob: those 3 main points
22:44 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: i'm kind of including that in the toxic thing
22:44 - Hobnob: well then yeah pretty much
22:50 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: okay look i don't at all deny being toxic to work with at all, especially on days that i'm already stressed out about something else. it's certainly gotten worse over time, because this was never really an issue for a long time. i have honestly been trying to get better on that front, if i wasn't i wouldn't have even bothered to respond to hob leaving discord. while merging all the stuff into the master branch i've made a point to leave even features i disagree with in place, if something broke or got lost because of that then it wasn't intentional and should be fixed, so let me know about stuff like that.
22:54 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: as for not liking where things are going, if i'm honest here, i can't change where things are going unless you come to me and tell me in detail what and why you don't like something. so far all i've had to base my opinions on is positive feedback from the players who actually do like where i'm taking things, but i do want the end result to be something everyone likes if possible. so far i've been told by a few people that they don't want to deal with resource collection and having to pay for ships, that's fine, there will be a fully sandbox mode to the gamemode that works just like what we have now where resources aren't really a concern, but i'm trying to bring a more interesting experience to the people who do like the idea of resources and building stuff at the same time.
23:08 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: so are you done copy pasting things at me or did everyone just give up on responding to me
23:08 - Hobnob: oh i was waiting for you to type something
23:08 - Hobnob: uhh well its died down alot
23:08 - Hobnob: but
23:09 - Hobnob: "he is still going there?
with the whole build and fly servers?"
23:09 - Hobnob: "shudders"
23:09 - Hobnob: "It could work, but it wouldn't be spacebuild"
23:09 - Hobnob: "we hardly have any space fights as it is
thats just going to make it so theres none"
23:09 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: like i could sit here and type for hours but i don't think they're going to listen to anything i have to say anymore anyways.
23:10 - Hobnob: " But I don't really care about all that. I just want to make something that I can go and point at, saying "it might not be much, but I had a hand in making this". With Brandon, I can't say that, all I've really got left are a few particle effects. "
23:10 - Hobnob: TOTOALLY ANONYMOUS DEVELOPER
23:10 - Hobnob: lol
23:10 - Hobnob: shrug
23:10 - Hobnob: there, i have "lifeted the veil"
23:11 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: eh, i can pick out who most of them are, it's fine.
23:11 - Hobnob: none of them are kanz btw
23:11 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: i figured that much
23:11 - Hobnob: he has got one fucking brick wall of messages to wake up too lol
23:12 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: i've talked with him about this stuff a few times before, but i feel like my point never really gets through
23:14 - Hobnob: i think its best for everyones mental health that we just let you do you and we will do us, i dont think hob-co gmod will happen im waiting for kanz
23:14 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: well, the first responses aren't entirely wrong, but i assure you that what the sandbox portion of what i want to do will undoubtedly feel like spacebuild. honestly i expect more people to play on that server.
23:18 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: and as for what steve had to say, mining is all him, i don't want to take it away from him at all and i don't plan to touch it unless he abandons it. i don't intend to stomp on things he does, like the active module thing, i'm totally cool with a lot of the ideas presented there, the only problem i ever actually had with that is that i wasn't talked to about how it would tie into the code. like because of that idea existing i specifically added support to the new module system so he would be able to do it easily. i really don't intend to stomp on everything at all here.
23:19 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: steve's been a big help with certain parts, and while sure i have my complaints and i am loud about them, i do appreciate what he has been doing.
23:19 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: anyways i guess that's probably about all i can say at this point, i don't know if i can get things across any better.
23:20 - Hobnob: i think the points you tried to make were made
23:20 - Hobnob: i also think that people have given up
23:20 - Hobnob: and no longer want to do
23:23 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: i just hope what i said will help the situation even a bit, i'm really not great at the whole communication thing.
23:23 - Hobnob: welcome to the club lmao
23:24 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: well, i guess back to work on fixing the last few things so i can get this update out for the people who do want it.
23:25 - Łτ•βЃĄЙĐΘИ-: but if people want any changes now is the time to speak up, i am certainly still willing to make changes to stuff at this point.