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  1. Veronica OOT:
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  3. Torture:
  4.  
  5. - Veronica scales above arrow timer, so Lara couldn’t hit her.
  6.  
  7. - Ralton says Veronica is very good at detecting stealthed people, so Lara can’t ambush.
  8.  
  9. I’m honestly surprised Torture didn’t bring up the fact Ralton said she hit about as hard as an RPG but okay go off.
  10.  
  11. Ralton:
  12.  
  13. - Lara runs faster than Veronica. Gets to ranged first.
  14.  
  15. - Lara fires 5 arrows a second three at a time. Veronica only scales to catching one arrow.
  16.  
  17. As argued, Veronica scales *above* that feat.
  18.  
  19. - Lara’s arrows are somewhat faster than crossbow bolts.
  20.  
  21. Okay.
  22.  
  23. - One arrow instakills Veronica.
  24.  
  25. - Lara is stealthier than the people Veronica detects. Lara can also use a distraction to aid her.
  26.  
  27. My Ruling:
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  29. Veronica is Overtier. While it is true that crossbow bolts (300fps) are somewhat slower than compound bow arrows (340fps) the gap between Lara shooting is still somewhere in the range of 200ms meaning that just saying “Lara shoots a lot” isn’t sufficient as an argument for why crossbow timing is in tier. Furthermore, the argument that Lara can win from stealth is also questionable seeing as the crossbow timing Veronica scales above as “A Vampire of the Highest Order” shows a lesser vamp catching a bolt from behind at close range. Veronica is simply too fast.
  30.  
  31. Blake OOT:
  32.  
  33. Torture:
  34.  
  35. - Blake scales to arrow timers two way, Lara can’t hit her.
  36.  
  37. Very barebones. Not even going to mention her stealth and illusions?
  38.  
  39. Ralton:
  40.  
  41. - Same reasons as Veronica, but less vulnerable to Lara stealth.
  42.  
  43. - The arrows are from medieval bows and should be slower than compound.
  44.  
  45. Source? Also, RWBY is medieval? Why assume weird transforming RWBY weapons are inferior to RL ones?
  46.  
  47. My Ruling:
  48.  
  49. Blake is Overtier. As argued, she’s arrow timing at the very least if not more than that seeing as she clowns on the arrow timers she’s supposed to scale to in Ralton’s linked feats. I have no reason to believe RWBY arrows are slower than Lara’s. She can teleport, go almost invisible in stealth, defaults to throatslitting, and runs silently which eliminates Lara’s hearing as her effective counterstealth option.
  50.  
  51. Indo OOT:
  52.  
  53. Ralton:
  54.  
  55. - Lara can only win against Indo by shooting it in the eye with poison arrows.
  56.  
  57. - Lara’s poison only has feats against humans and Indo isn’t human.
  58.  
  59. - Indo is much bigger than a human so lethal dosage would have to be larger.
  60.  
  61. - As argued by Torture, the island is too loud to detect the I Rex by sound. It stealthfucks Lara.
  62.  
  63. - Indo is faster than Lara and counters her stealth with thermal vision.
  64.  
  65. - Lara can’t stay stealthed and needs to hit it multiple times in the eye, making it unwinnable.
  66.  
  67. Torture:
  68.  
  69. - Lara can actually just pierce the Indo normally since her arrows go through rock.
  70.  
  71. - Lara’s poison is meme good, even assuming lethal dosage scales up. Lara’s poison could probably kill an elephant and Indo weighs less than one of those.
  72.  
  73. - Lara shoots fast. That’s a lot of poison.
  74.  
  75. - Lara is accurate, one shot to heart or brain would end Indo.
  76.  
  77. - There is no proof Indo should be meaningfully resistant to Lara’s poison.
  78.  
  79. - Indo’s stealth is in tier because Veronica’s antistealth sucks. Lara has way better hearing and the tiersetter match takes place much further from the waterfall.
  80.  
  81. - Lara can also track Indo with footprints and by scent.
  82.  
  83. - Poison is hallucinogenic so the more Lara shoots it the worse Indo fights.
  84.  
  85. - Lara agile and acrobatic, can climb or dodge to avoid Indo in melee.
  86.  
  87. My Ruling:
  88.  
  89. The Indominous Rex is In Tier. Torture is absolutely right that Lara’s bow has enough piercing to poke through its hide and that poison will ramp up quickly given Lara’s fast shooting. Lara also has considerably better antistealth showings than Veronica. Not sure I buy the “Wuhu loud” argument but it’s basically irrelevant in the face of the simple truth that Lara pierces Indo and Ralton has failed to provide any evidence Indo should be poison resistant.
  90.  
  91.  
  92. Jacky vs Elick:
  93.  
  94. Elodie OOT:
  95.  
  96. Elick:
  97.  
  98. - Elodie can go invis with illusion, and uses that in combat
  99.  
  100. - Lara can’t stop Elodie from grabbing ranged while invis
  101.  
  102. - Elodie’s spells oneshot or stun Lara long enough to oneshot
  103.  
  104. - Elodie can stack spells and does so IC. Goes invis and then oneshots.
  105.  
  106. - Elodie can make Lara fight dumb with panic magic, negating skill advantage.
  107.  
  108. This links to burning a man’s face off, not using paranoia on humans. Spell itself lists only animals as valid targets.
  109.  
  110. - Or distract her with panicked wildlife.
  111.  
  112. Spell never specifies what level of control user has over animals, and its in game description doesn’t indicate the ability to direct them, just make them mad or panicked. In any case, it’s dubious whether a few seabirds and these weird mii pups would really hinder Lara.
  113.  
  114. Jacky:
  115.  
  116. - *Crickets*
  117.  
  118. My Ruling:
  119.  
  120. Elodie is In Tier. While Elodie can go invisible and her ranged pickup oneshots Lara, this is not the out of context problem Elick makes it out to be. Lara’s main antistealth option is her hearing, and all of Elodie’s stealth is invisibility; sight not sound. Lara can still detect her and her bow, axes, or just her fists all oneshot Elodie. Meanwhile, Elodie needs to get to ranged to even stand a chance against Lara and her ranged spells have no quantifiable speed so “Lara dodges” is legitimately an option here.
  121.  
  122. MT OOT:
  123.  
  124. Jacky:
  125.  
  126. - Lara would hurt herself trying to hit MT in melee.
  127.  
  128. - MT walks off cratering pavement.
  129.  
  130. - MT is made of metal and naturally resistant to piercing. Has to use a machine to grind earring holes in her ears.
  131.  
  132. - MT is being argued as inorganic, doesn’t need sleep, air, lacks internal organs. Lara can’t poison or choke.
  133.  
  134. - Lara’s bow won’t do anything. Lara’s strikes won’t do anything.
  135.  
  136. Elick:
  137.  
  138. - MT no skill.
  139.  
  140. - Lara big skill.
  141.  
  142. - The bone breaking feat is a kid. Kids have weaker bones than adults. Lara has stronger bones than most adults. Lara won’t break her foot kicking her.
  143.  
  144. - MT’s other stats are dogshit.
  145.  
  146. - MT weak---restrained by group of kids. Lara could pin her.
  147.  
  148. - MT slow---only dodges slow laser.
  149.  
  150. - Grinder cut through MT pretty quickly.
  151.  
  152. - Lara’s arrows pierce stone.
  153.  
  154. - Lara’s axes pierce stone/permafrost.
  155.  
  156. - Lara does chip damage with arrows MT can’t dodge & can maybe outskill and hurt in melee.
  157.  
  158. My Ruling:
  159.  
  160. MT is In Tier. Uh yeah basically what Elick said. MT has no stats other than dura, and even then Lara could probably do chip damage with her bow. In melee, Lara could definitely pin for an immobilization win.
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