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- @erisia: ~workshop new
- @BB-8-NU: A new workshop session was created
- #Eternally: ill remember it one day
- #Eternally: ~workshop add electivire
- @BB-8-NU: electivire added
- #Eternally: Im not actually 100% sure what Mixed Evire runs nowadays
- #Eternally: ~Electivire
- @BB-8-NU: Analysis: http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/electivire/
- ARogue✿: it runs the same
- ARogue✿: as i metioned above
- @erisia: i really liked lucianvega's electric spam core
- @erisia: mixed evire + rotom + garbodor
- resyhdrtfu: good luck everyone
- @nv✿: That is nice since Mixed EVire bops Lanturn for Rotom
- #Eternally: that sounds pretty good
- #Eternally: ~workshop add Rotom
- @BB-8-NU: Rotom added
- #Eternally: ~workshop add Garbodor
- @BB-8-NU: Garbodor added
- #Eternally: ~workshop team
- @BB-8-NU: electivire / Rotom / Garbodor
- @erisia: it was scarf rotom but we could use a different set if people want
- @nv✿: mfw __**e**__ instead of __**E**__
- #Eternally: I'd like scarf rotom so we have some speed straight away unless someone wants to use a different set
- @erisia: look, 50% of people will be annoyed whichever way i spell my name
- @erisia: idk why i even made it a public referendum
- #Eternally: ~workshop remove Rotom
- @BB-8-NU: Rotom removed
- yunggrimelord: how about a hex wisp set for rotom
- #Eternally: hmm
- @nv✿: Oml erisia I was talking about electivire :(
- @nv✿: I love your small e n_n
- #Eternally: I feel like if we run wisphex, we're already vulnerable to pyroar/archeops/floatzel etc
- @erisia: oh heheh
- #Eternally: ~workshop remove electivire
- @BB-8-NU: electivire removed
- #Eternally: ~workshop add Electivire
- @BB-8-NU: Electivire added
- @erisia: i like scarf rotom too
- #Eternally: lets go with scarf for now
- #Eternally: ~workshop add Scarf Rotom
- @BB-8-NU: Scarf Rotom added
- yunggrimelord: ok thats fine
- @nv✿: Tbh Eternally you could try WispHex + Discharge
- @nv✿: Discharge can at least try to cripple :P
- @nv✿: But yea Scarf is best
- #Eternally: So we need rocks
- @nv✿: ~workshop team
- @BB-8-NU: Garbodor / Electivire / Scarf Rotom
- #Eternally: a fire switchin
- @nv✿: !ds sr, nu, all
- @nv✿: Ngl but I like Piloswine here
- @nv✿: Regirock could work too ig
- #Eternally: Pilo would give us an Ice Resist
- #Eternally: some priority, and something that isnt weak to ground
- #Eternally: could def work
- #Eternally: Regirock gives us a fire resist
- #Eternally: sturdier normal resist
- #Eternally: but slightly vulnerable to Ground-types
- @nv✿: Yea
- yunggrimelord: are there any fireblast users that can ohko pilo?
- @nv✿: ~~Specs Magmortar maybe~~
- #Eternally: nah none of them can OHKO it
- #Eternally: but its getting 2HKO'd with ease
- yunggrimelord: right
- #Eternally: theres also miltank
- #Eternally: our options are basically Piloswine + Fire-type check, Miltank, or Regirock + Ground and Ice check
- @erisia: brb going for lunch
- #Eternally: kk
- yunggrimelord: id like to see how miltank fits in this, personally
- #Eternally: Im fine with going Miltank
- carcy: what do you think of torterra here? checks lanturn + baits fliers
- #Eternally: ooo
- @nv✿: Miltank is actually a solid fit
- #Eternally: Tort could be cool as well
- @nv✿: Hmm
- #Eternally: we've got a couple options
- carcy: just a suggestion
- @nv✿: Personally I like Miltank
- #Eternally: Miltank would probably give us better role compression
- @nv✿: Yea
- @nv✿: SR, Fire/Ice resist
- #Eternally: Fire and Ice in one (or Normal and Grass if we go with Physdef)
- @nv✿: Yea
- #Eternally: ~workshop add Miltank
- @BB-8-NU: Miltank added
- @nv✿: We have Garb tho
- #Eternally: yeah and rotom
- @nv✿: ~workshop team
- @BB-8-NU: Garbodor / Electivire / Scarf Rotom / Miltank
- @nv✿: This looks good :o
- #Eternally: Lets see what we're weak too
- #Eternally: Very weak to DD Rhydon/Ground-types in general
- #Eternally: Need a water resist
- #Eternally: brb 1 sec
- @nv✿: kk
- #Eternally: back
- #Eternally: ~workshop team
- @BB-8-NU: Garbodor / Electivire / Scarf Rotom / Miltank
- #Eternally: we dont really have a setup sweeper either
- #Eternally: to take advantage of evire breaking stuff
- yunggrimelord: jynx?
- openserket: rock polish torterra
- #Eternally: RP Tort sounds good cause we're weak to ground-types tbh
- @nv✿: I like it
- #Eternally: that'd patch up a couple things
- @nv✿: ^
- openserket: tangela could be a passive check to water and ground
- #Eternally: Doesnt handle special water-types though unfort
- openserket: oh okay
- @nv✿: 252 Atk Torterra Wood Hammer vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Rhydon: 400-472 (113.9 - 134.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
- @nv✿: This is a nice calc tbh
- yunggrimelord: oh sick
- #Eternally: ~workshop add RP Torterra
- @BB-8-NU: RP Torterra added
- #Eternally: ~workshop team
- @BB-8-NU: Garbodor / Electivire / Scarf Rotom / Miltank / RP Torterra
- #Eternally: weaknesses nv?
- #Eternally: CM Psychics
- @nv✿: Hmm
- openserket: specs swellow?
- #Eternally: swellow yeah
- @nv✿: We need Speed + CM Psychic check
- #Eternally: we might need to change a couple things
- #Eternally: since we cant really check swellow and cm psychics in one slot
- yunggrimelord: what is cm
- openserket: calm mind
- yunggrimelord: ah ty
- @nv✿: !ds dark type, soundproof
- @nv✿: rip Dx
- #Eternally: lol
- #Eternally: how much does boomburst do to spdef miltank
- @nv✿: 252 SpA Choice Specs Swellow Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 240+ SpD Miltank: 174-205 (44.1 - 52%) -- 75.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
- #Eternally: ok
- #Eternally: thats way too much
- @nv✿: Yea :L
- openserket: bastiodon lol
- openserket: soundproof
- #Eternally: lol
- openserket: actually how about abomasnow?
- @nv✿: Ok Eternally this may seem like an absolute ton of heat
- @nv✿: But what about
- @nv✿: !dt solrock
- openserket: come in on boomburst, hit back with ice shard
- @nv✿: Aboma could be nice
- #Eternally: Solrock > Miltank?
- @nv✿: Yes
- #Eternally: would actually work lol
- #Eternally: although
- @nv✿: 252 SpA Choice Specs Swellow Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Solrock: 135-159 (39.2 - 46.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
- #Eternally: Lunatone is a better fire-type check
- #Eternally: calc lunatone
- @nv✿: 252 SpA Choice Specs Swellow Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Lunatone: 76-90 (22 - 26.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Stealth Rock
- #Eternally: nice
- #Eternally: Do we wanna try Lunatone?
- @nv✿: It is a nice option tbh
- #Eternally: It still does everything Miltank does
- #Eternally: but gives us a swellow check
- @nv✿: !learn lunatone, moonlight
- #Eternally: kanga check
- @nv✿: Yep
- #Eternally: ~workshop remove Miltank
- @BB-8-NU: Miltank removed
- #Eternally: ~workshop add Lunatone
- @BB-8-NU: Lunatone added
- #Eternally: ~workshop team
- @BB-8-NU: Garbodor / Electivire / Scarf Rotom / RP Torterra / Lunatone
- @nv✿: 252+ Atk Silk Scarf Kangaskhan Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Lunatone: 147-173 (42.7 - 50.2%) -- 41% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
- @nv✿: We may wanna make Lunatone mixed
- @nv✿: :o
- #Eternally: hmm, lunatone doesnt get wisp
- @nv✿: yea :/
- #Eternally: Solrock gets wisp so we can check DDon as well
- @nv✿: y
- #Eternally: Ok lets go with Solrock instead
- #Eternally: ~workshop remove Lunatone
- @BB-8-NU: Lunatone removed
- #Eternally: ~workshop add Solrock
- @BB-8-NU: Solrock added
- @nv✿: We can EV SOlrock to check Fire-types + Swellow imo
- #Eternally: yeah
- #Eternally: it doesnt need investment to check kanga
- #Eternally: cause higher def
- #Eternally: and wisp
- #Eternally: ok now that we have solrock
- #Eternally: we might not need Torterra
- #Eternally: since we become Ice weak
- #Eternally: with it
- @nv✿: y
- @nv✿: But
- @nv✿: We still need a Water check
- #Eternally: yeah
- #Eternally: ~remove RP Torterra
- #Eternally: ~workshop remove RP Torterra
- @BB-8-NU: RP Torterra removed
- #Eternally: ~workshop team
- @BB-8-NU: Garbodor / Electivire / Scarf Rotom / Solrock
- @nv✿: !dt cacturne
- @nv✿: :o
- @nv✿: Water check + fits tbh
- #Eternally: cacturne is such a bad water check though
- @nv✿: Although Shiftry ig works better here
- #Eternally: Megahorn otter, ice beam floatzel
- #Eternally: and it drops
- @nv✿: mfw Cacturne will never be viable again Dx
- #Eternally: lol
- #Eternally: we also dont want anymore weaknesses to skuntank
- #Eternally: cause solrock + scarf rotom
- carcy: poliwrath?
- openserket: ^
- #Eternally: Poliwrath sounds best
- #Eternally: do we want lefties or specs
- @nv✿: Ok yeah Poli is nice
- @nv✿: I like Lefties personally
- @nv✿: But Specs has its merits
- #Eternally: ~workshop add poliwrath
- @BB-8-NU: poliwrath added
- #Eternally: We need something for Psychic-types now
- #Eternally: badly
- @nv✿: !ds dark type, nu
- @nv✿: I like Shiftry or Liepard
- @nv✿: ~workshop team
- @BB-8-NU: Garbodor / Electivire / Scarf Rotom / Solrock / poliwrath
- @erisia: solrock
- @erisia: wut
- @nv✿: Lmao erisia we found heat
- @nv✿: :o
- @erisia: literal heat
- @nv✿: Solrock is a nice Normal check not weak to Ground
- #Eternally: Fire-check + Normal-check + Rocker in one
- @nv✿: ^
- #Eternally: and we needed something for DDon
- @erisia: sounds good
- @erisia: just sr / wisp / morning sun / stone edge?
- #Eternally: yea
- @nv✿: Rock Slide can be used over Edge
- @nv✿: For PP purposes
- #Eternally: We would've used Lunatone if it got Wisp
- @nv✿: + reliability
- openserket: why not rock tomb?
- openserket: slows down stuff for evire
- #Eternally: we wanna be able to OHKO fire-types
- #Eternally: lemme calc first
- #Eternally: 4 Atk Solrock Rock Slide vs. 64 HP / 0 Def Magmortar: 218-258 (71 - 84%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
- @nv✿: mfw not guaranteed after SR
- @nv✿: :(
- #Eternally: 4 Atk Solrock Rock Slide vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Pyroar: 204-242 (65.1 - 77.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
- #Eternally: So we can go Stone Edge, or just risk the roll
- #Eternally: its not like Mag can do __that__ much back
- openserket: rock tomb can guarantee the 2hko
- openserket: you outspeed and kill?
- +AssassinRogue: oh my
- openserket: not pyrorar tho
- +AssassinRogue: a solrock o.O
- #Eternally: LO Pyroar isnt even 2HKOing with HP Grass
- #Eternally: 252 SpA Life Orb Pyroar Hidden Power Grass vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Solrock: 143-169 (41.5 - 49.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
- @nv✿: mfw SpD Solrock :o
- +AssassinRogue: :3
- #Eternally: Well with HP investment + wisp we dont really need physdef solrock
- #Eternally: you still wall Kanga, you still beat non irontail tauros, beat DDon
- @nv✿: Oh
- #Eternally: ~workshop team
- @BB-8-NU: Garbodor / Electivire / Scarf Rotom / Solrock / poliwrath
- #Eternally: mmk
- #Eternally: So Psychic-type checks...
- #Eternally: preferably something that can set up
- @nv✿: NP Pard?
- #Eternally: drops to signal beam mush tbh
- #Eternally: I was thinking maybe Klinklang or SD Mawile
- #Eternally: cause we kind of want another Scyther check
- #Eternally: since atm its Garbodor, or outspeeding it with rotom
- @erisia: why are we using poliwrath again?
- @nv✿: Water check
- @nv✿: Gdi brb
- @erisia: what about jynx?
- @erisia: or mantine
- @erisia: it doesn't seem like there was a lot of discussion looking back
- #Eternally: yeah
- #Eternally: Skuntank becomes annoying though
- #Eternally: since we already have solrock and scarftom
- @erisia: !dt solrock
- @erisia: what about gastrodon?
- @erisia: toxic or clear smog + scarf rotom also seems like enough for psychic-types
- #Eternally: Clear Smog Gastro ooo
- #Eternally: helps with malamar too
- @erisia: plus we have garbodor as a grass switchin
- #Eternally: we're weak to Shiftry with Gastro D:
- #Eternally: just realised
- @erisia: we can add a shiftry check
- @erisia: what does the last slot need to cover?
- @erisia: gastro + av yama (again D:)
- #Eternally: ~workshop team
- @BB-8-NU: Garbodor / Electivire / Scarf Rotom / Solrock / poliwrath
- #Eternally: we just wanted a Psychic-type check + a setup mon
- @erisia: hmmm
- @erisia: (PIG)
- @erisia: n
- #Eternally: lol
- #Eternally: I thought SD Mawile could work
- @erisia: !ds dark type, nu
- #Eternally: since it softens the matchup vs scyther
- #Eternally: and shiftry
- @erisia: what about pawniard
- @erisia: !dt pawniard
- #Eternally: yeah either SD Pawn or Mawile
- @erisia: !dt mawile
- @erisia: why do these have almost the same stats
- #Eternally: conspiracy
- #Eternally: why do they look so alike as well
- #Eternally: (Sort of)
- @erisia: i think the psychic-immune is more helpful
- #Eternally: Stronger Sucker is nice too
- @erisia: defiant also punishes defog (ish)
- @erisia: which is nice for spikes teams
- #Eternally: SD/Knock/Sucker/Iron Head?
- @erisia: yeah i don't think we need low kick
- @erisia: ~workshop remove poliwrath
- @BB-8-NU: poliwrath removed
- @erisia: ~workshop add Gastrodon
- @BB-8-NU: Gastrodon added
- @erisia: ~workshop add SD Pawniard
- @BB-8-NU: SD Pawniard added
- @erisia: ~workshop team
- @BB-8-NU: Garbodor / Electivire / Scarf Rotom / Solrock / Gastrodon / SD Pawniard
- @erisia: this team is so heat rn
- #Eternally: ikr
- @erisia: who's building it
- #Eternally: me
- #Eternally: filling in the sets rn
- #Eternally: what spread does gastro run
- openserket: archeops could be a problem
- openserket: phy def?
- #Eternally: *ev spread
- openserket: 252hp/244+def/12spd is smogon set
- #Eternally: mmk that sounds familiar
- carcy: 12 spd
- carcy: doesnt do anything
- openserket: have to put 12 somewhere
- #Eternally: speed
- openserket: spdef*
- #Eternally: to outspeed rhydon
- #Eternally: Yeah I mean im moving it from spdef to speed
- openserket: with 12 speed, it hits 117
- #Eternally: mhm, and Tank Rhydon hits 116
- openserket: oh it outspeeds
- #Eternally: nothing major, but its more useful
- #Eternally: http://pastebin.com/C13EyhUg
- #Eternally: pastebin of the team
- #Eternally: looks pretty heat
- #Eternally: anyone wanna get a test match with it?
- #Eternally: Ok ill get one lol
- openserket: lol i dont have any good teams sry
- Eternally Testing: in
- @erisia: why is pawniard so good
- Eternally Testing: lol
- Eternally Testing: more like why is Cradily setup fodder for everything
- Eternally Testing: ill get one more
- Eternally Testing: in
- @erisia: t-spikes imo
- Eternally Testing: lets hit this focus blast
- Eternally Testing: bop
- @erisia: decked
- Eternally Testing: is that spdef weezing lol
- @nv✿: Back :(
- Eternally Testing: wb nv
- @nv✿: Ty
- yunggrimelord: how many games have you played with this team?
- Eternally Testing: 2
- Eternally Testing: anyone else wanna get a game before I post the team
- Eternally Testing: http://pastebin.com/C13EyhUg thats the pastebin btw nv
- @nv✿: Looks weird
- openserket: where do you post the teams to?
- @nv✿: But I like it
- @nv✿: n_n
- Eternally Testing: lol
- Eternally Testing: smogon forums
- Eternally Testing: ill link you when its up
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