The Corrupt and Stupid American Right

@xsnlx
U.S. power is threatened by the decline of the middle class and the potential creation of two Americas without a common interest.
+ColonelSlade
I always liked his vision of revenge
bradmaj
GRAND Admiral Thrawn
+ColonelSlade
xsnlx: America is fracturing.
You're right @ grand
xsnlx: The American Right largely no longer believes in the American project.
And key Republican leadership is colluding with Russia.
bradmaj
Timothy Zahn just published a book about him, so apparently Thrawn and the Chiss are canon in the new EU
because nothing in the OLD EU is necissarily canon now
+ColonelSlade
Interesting
I liked how he talked about mammals and their warm blood
+ambient-rainstorm
ColonelSlade: to be fair i'm far left-leaning and i also do not believe in the American project. but what that means to both the left and right is very different.
+ColonelSlade
ambient-rainstorm: In what way do you not believe in the American project?
He said that mammals are too hot headed and can't really strategize
And I think he would study the art of a species to understand how they think
And then use that to defeat them
Very impressive
+ambient-rainstorm
ColonelSlade: okay, just to be clear, we're talking about the U.S. constitution and the ideals of the founding fathers?
ColonelSlade: or maybe you mean something else
+ColonelSlade
Yes
+ambient-rainstorm
yeah, i don't wholly agree on that
+ColonelSlade
In what way
+ambient-rainstorm
the founding fathers believed that democracy needed limits and didn't trust the masses at all
they were also pretty religious
+ColonelSlade
They were religious and secular
Yes, they did not trust the masses
Nor do I
+ambient-rainstorm
they also stood for capitalism and a justice system i disagree with
bradmaj
So let's recap.. The "Law-and-order" party applaudes when Trump pardons a convicted criminal. The "Morality party" has no problem supporting a serial sexual predator and a serial cheater.
+ambient-rainstorm
so, it's not something i "stand for"
+ColonelSlade
What do you disagree with about American jurisprudene
bradmaj: The central claims of the American Right are lies
+ambient-rainstorm
ColonelSlade: juries and our idea of incarceration
+ColonelSlade
bradmaj: With the cognitive revolution in the social sciences we now understand political ideology is largely derivative to cognitive orientation
Knowing a person's parenting style, for example, predicts their political ideology
So, let us set aside the political claims of the American Right and understand their cognition
@xsnlx
Statistics reveal that, since 1947 (when the data was first compiled), corporate profits as a percentage of gross domestic product are now at their highest level, while wages as a percentage of GDP are now at their lowest level.
bradmaj
Pardon Arapio.. but if you have one joint on you., TO THE STOCKADE!!
"one of these thigns is not likee the other.."
+ColonelSlade
They are generally authoritarians, orderly, with low empathy and high fear of the outsider
This perfect predicts their support of Trump's corruption
Donald Trump is Alpha Male, which is sacred among authoritarians
So, whatever he does is Necessarily Right, even when it is against their spoken values
+ambient-rainstorm
ColonelSlade: but, of course there's stuff i do agree with, like a bunch of things in the bill of rights.. but i can't say all of it
@xsnlx
corporate profits as a percentage of GDP are now at their highest level, while wages as a percentage of GDP are now at their lowest level.
+ColonelSlade
ambient-rainstorm: What is your objection to juries
bradmaj
and now apparently Trump's getting pissed at kelly for telling him cool it on several occasions
@xsnlx
pretty stark
bradmaj
xsnlx, not only that, trump is touting lowering corporate taxes AGAIN, becaus it'creates jobs"
+ambient-rainstorm
ColonelSlade: it's making a serious call on somebody's life based on a group's opinion.
bradmaj
when has that ever worked?
+ambient-rainstorm
ColonelSlade: and countless times the wrong call was made.
+ColonelSlade
The American Right is largely working against the authority of law enforcement, the FBI, the DOJ, and the Intelligence Community
They are not for order
@xsnlx
not ever, not even once
bradmaj
the corp's say thank you, and keep it all
+ColonelSlade
They hate our nation
ambient-rainstorm: Juries seem improvable. What would you replace them with?
+ambient-rainstorm
ColonelSlade: that being said, i consider myself fairly pragmatic and i am not entirely against everything either.
@xsnlx
corporate profits are already at ALL-TIME HIGHS both dollar-wise and as a % of GDP
corporations are swimming in money
+ColonelSlade
xsnlx: Our nation is now largely controlled by corporate interests.
+ambient-rainstorm
ColonelSlade: perhaps forensic committees
bradmaj
My favorite Trump quote so far is his one about there being "nice guys" amongst the neo-Nazis
+ColonelSlade
That is partially why support of Congress is ~9%.
bradmaj: Donald Trump is a known racist.
He has been racist for decades.
The DOJ brought multiple suits against him for racially discriminatory housing practices.
I think Donald Trump will go down as the worst president of all time.
bradmaj
ColonelSlade, yes, but that's cognitive dissonance. because while support OVGERALL is 9%, RE-ELECTION is ALSO at an all-time high. Because everyone thinks; "Thewy're all worthless, except my guy."
+ColonelSlade
The previous worst is generally considered Buchanan.
bradmaj: The voters are largely propagandized and domesticated.
We don't have any sort of real autonomy in our electoral process.
Well, for about 1/3 of American voters
Let us think of Grand Admiral Thawn
bradmaj
ColonelSlade, right, At the same time they're giving Congress the lowest appoval rating ever, they're also re-electing them at record levels
+ColonelSlade
Every culture has weaknesses
Often, the weaknesses of a culture are where the least question asking is allowed
What are the sacred truths of the American Right?
Strength and Independence
That is where you deceive them, then
You domesticate them and then tell them that nobody could ever domesticate them for they are such a Strong and Independent people
When data scientists come along to tell them how they're domesticated by some monied interests, tell them those are the Elite Tricksters who would make you Weak and Subordinate
This is what has happened
The American Right is now largely controlled by perhaps 10,000 wealthy people who control media and AI firms
← THERetroGamerNY has quit (Quit: Be blessed!)
+ColonelSlade
It is outside the bounds of American political discourse to discuss domestication of voters
Because we're a Humanist system and free will is a core value
bradmaj
ColonelSlade, or may favorite, convincing them that the Eastern super-rich elitest guy is "jusat plain folks" and the one born and raised in Arkansas, who went to public schools, is the "eastern Establishment" candidate
and they BELEIVED it
+ColonelSlade
So, there will be no massive introspection into this domestication or any attempt at a fix
bradmaj: The American Right appears hopeless
bradmaj
Sara_Ks, wouldn't it have been, maybe, just MAYBE.. a tad smart to ask to SEE this great health plan before electing him?
+ColonelSlade
The current solution proposed by leaders within the system is basically to go around them
Just keep letting them be propagandized and keep letting them vote, but we'll have more people to out vote them
bradmaj
Why did they beleive he had a "Secret healthcare plan" that he'd reveal later on?
+ColonelSlade
I think this is irresponsible in the modern, nuclear age
bradmaj: Sara_Ks is unable to discuss this topic
She is terrible at debate
I once informed her that a majority of Republicans think universities are dangerous to the country
And her response was to type "lol. not all Republicans hate university"
She can't even differentiate between the qualifiers "most" and "all"
And she didn't ask me for a citation
She just went off her intuition
This means she is not part of modernity
bradmaj
I mean, come on, if someone says they have this great wonderful healtcare plan, that won't raise premiums, won't kick anyone off their plan, and won't cut MEdicare, wouldn't it have been smart to ask to se it?
+ColonelSlade
She's stuck in team-based thinking. Since my scientifically accurate claim hurt a group she has kinship with, she defended that group
bradmaj
Why didn't any Trump supporters demand to see it before agreeing to vote for him?
+ColonelSlade
The biggest victims of the American Right are the voters of the American Right
Their stupidity is so great it's not just their own lives they're sacrificing, though
You literally had people voting for a person who promised to get ride of Obamacare
Some of these people HAD THEIR SPOUSES ON LIFESUPPORT DEPENDING ON OBAMACARE
bradmaj
Sara_Ks, why would anyone assume he'd be telling the truth about the healtcare plan, when he did nothing but lie throughout the whole campaign?
+ColonelSlade
And when the were informed their spouses would now die, they acted as if they never realized it
We cannot continue to allow these people to vote
bradmaj
Starting with his "proof" that Obama was born in Kenya?m