Fwd: So long and thanks for all the fish ...

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Subject: So long and thanks for all the fish ...
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:26:17 +0100

Hello Bernd,
hello your Kopo Warriors (your mailing list I've subscribed to),

Bernd wrote on 05/12/2011 07:57:

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> Shit.
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yepp ... that's exactly ...

and I hate the thought of it just because so many in Thuringia
wise and Mitpiraten there, with whom it would be worthwhile to
together continue to make policy :-(

But I think since the Offenbach weekend a fundamental
To see a problem with the pirates, for which I do not even until now
have found a satisfactory solution to some extent

(The three most annoying from my perspective I can BPT decisions
, although each individual to cope with massive against my personal
Values ​​and also violates mE in any
Adapts to the way the pirates --- pirates in the foreseeable
Future, neither the ATF nor to enforce the decision chamber
and probably also in terms of donations not often in large
Temptations come, but also because of the decisions referred to in
the party would withdraw, a senseless dispute over the donkey's
Shadow fight out)

I therefore try to explain me, where I at us (I'd say
more "us" because I feel as belonging nachwievor)
at least since the weekend (the last LPT in Thuringia me
pensive already done) to see the real problem ... think

Perhaps these thoughts help, yes, a discussion of our
To stimulate understanding of intra-party (baseline) democracy, which we
brings together more ...

Triggers my thoughts were the following three as far as I ---
could trace the remote via Twitter, and Streaming News ---
several members of the public on the BPT repeated
Statements:

1) we are the only truly grassroots party (cool! are)
2) the press has now but hopefully finally figured out that we
  (Why?) No delegates are party (yeah!) and
3) from us (in accordance with the Statute) with 2 / 3 majority decisions taken (such as
  BGE and the assumed chamber or the rejected applications
  Donation request from Wilm) are a badge of (base) democratic
  intra-party processes ("Shut up and swallow your
Respondent ")

heard as a member of Congress during a happy,
But is that really so?

at the local level, at the KPTs because the can, I think,
without blushing agree:

who is active in CT is, in most cases to the KPT and the personal
Expense of the individual member to participate in the KPT holds
usually well within limits, so that the one where accredited
large part of the base and to represent itself in this sense, the
KPT can decide democratically by and for the base

However, e.g. on the final BPT, but there were not even 10% of
Members of our party is represented and have their minority
each about 2 / 3 applications decided --- the clear majority
a much more significant minority also

programmatic decisions are at 5-6% a reasonable
Representation of the base?

I have my doubts:

5-6% one decision you can not even actually in North Korea
seriously describe as democratic

as we are currently on LPT and BPT-level decisions for the whole
Membership is cut down, but rather as if the AG in Jena,
the participatory budget organized, not only design the questionnaire,
but still the same answer additional questions for the citizens
and the result as a representative and "democratic basis"
to justify in principle but since everyone (of the 100,000 inhabitants of Jena)
may personally participate in the group who wants to (see the practice
of course different)

who as we speak constantly of Basidemokratie, the report must also
say what he based this statement represent each
claimed!

and since then but I'm interested in, especially on what basis the
Thuringian proponents of BGE and chamber application actually intended
have them there as her recently in Thuringia, and already the LPT
long before in Chemnitz, the BPT to the respective "base"
unsuccessful applications have continued to assert?

This approach was m.E. as "grassroots democracy" as the
our government, if it Internet locks on in Germany
BVerfG fail, then stop over Europe against the will of the German
Majority tries to impose

In Thuringia, we know the tactics of the former
Recorder CDU party under the name "method of Althaus' decisions
in the designated bodies are not a majority,
be provided in new bodies (whose composition is thereby
seeks to influence in their own sense) is introduced, until they finally
are waved through unnerved when a suitable body and
then of course sold as a general consensus

We do this now within the party --- even on LPTs and BPTs and
still proud to call it "grassroots democracy" ... :-( (

In established parties such "tactics" of the base with
a system of hierarchical delegation (local -> Country -> Federation)
countered, which ensures that for example Decisions of
Regional associations with the help of delegates in these associations
Federal bodies send, at just decisions of these federal bodies
are adequately addressed --- grassroots democracy at work ...

But who or what is safe with us pirates, that the
Decisions of the grassroots levels of the parent,
distant base levels are adequately addressed?

The small group of LPTs and BPTs to present voters
- --- --- Attesting Offenbach is not obvious ... the cooks
at least in part, prefer their own private soup ... and
Unfortunately, even the part that basically can not cook ...

The result is accordingly:

The LPTs, most especially the BPT with numerous partially
baked (because the actual base uncoordinated) applications
inundated by individuals and produce decisions that are often
the paper are not worth it, to which they are printed, for example --- when
they are not feasible in principle, to some extent mutually
(contradict necessary if they on each other
conflicting values ​​notions based) or only in statute
cast or election program, ideological lip service
represent

Utterly grotesque and embarrassing the matter is, if ---
Accredited in Offenbach --- the BPT to the press, on
pointing out that pirates have, interestingly, on the one hand
Left out of date left (because BGE) and the other would be as neoliberal
The FDP (because Chambers) their own cognitive dissonance with comments
kind of "something we have to do it right" as a quasi-
systemically wanted humorous "reflect"

The lobbying groups --- it says the decision shows the chamber, the so-
since the existence of the chamber being in any of the five major parties
(Not even the FDP!) Was enforceable ...

The lobby groups are now among the pirates the same way as the
Party members tourists among the pirates who do not live with it
can ensure that their individual ideas of what party opinion
or program should be, not without sacrificing a majority and
Therefore, the described hopping unspeakable bodies operate

the result is the same:

labeled as a democratic basis, the damaged end general,
imprudent decisions of the various ad hoc committees specific
Minority, the involvement in a real, all levels,
democratic decision would not be possible --- the dream of a
each lobby representing ... :-( (

That in some wickedness with our intra-party democracy is,
shows m.E. also an open discussion with the following
Question, which has forced itself upon me repeatedly during Offenbach:

What we really need both LPTs pirates as well as a BPT?

When the incumbent is clear: the LPTs are preparing their
Delegated decisions for the delegates to the front and BPTs
just take it for delegates to the requirement that the
National Association decisions at the federal decisions appropriate
be taken into account (the same goes for the
Ratio of the LPT KPTs)

But with us, we have no delegates?

As there are different BPTs and LPTs (or KPTs and LPTs)?

Good: the BPTs are larger, but ultimately there are just as ---
at the offices of LPTs --- decisions, statutes and Programs
completely independent of the actual base of the party (ie in the case
18 000 members of the BPT, the earlier part of the on LPTs
have taken opposing position on a variety of applications)
- --- Where the present minority sees itself simply as a basis:
"Today we are the party" ...

what lower levels --- and there is the base! --- Decided
not have one, and thus a more democratic participation
pretended that there is no actual

this must not be seen as negative as I do, but just when
it has no democratic problem with it, then one should
be consistent and our structures to fit neatly
, thus eliminating detoxify the bodies to obtain their views after
our practice of democracy based on the next level anyway
not need to shave ... This saves a lot of money and the party
Members a lot of time ...

Who with me my congress-analysis but also only partially
matches, must look for other ways than our previous
Search for "grassroots" practice on the LPTs and BPTs, the
ensure that decisions democratically in our party
be brought about, from bottom to top, ie from base to tip
and not laterally, by self-appointed personal representative or base
Lobby representatives under the guise grassroots
But decisions on the basis of past

what those ways might I can not say at the moment
- --- Perhaps help tools like Liquid feedback when we
them in the future not only for the preparation of decisions but
also used for the decisions themselves on party days,

Such tools could possibly together with necessary
Changes to the state and federal statutes to the Pirate Party
, that contribute to these decisions in the future, the whole basis
are also at home in front of the computer screens included, and
not only the vglw. small group of those who are privately
professional can afford to participate personally in the party conferences
(Incidentally, we are already so many members that a
Congress, appear personally to all those members would
not more organizable and certainly would not be affordable)

--- no matter how I am sure that it makes sense to continue, for
The pirates make active party work, it must be something here
generally equal to the inner-party're responding to change,

for so good and convincing the other pirates on a democratic basis
argue and fight when it comes to areas where "the
State "or offices and mandates, especially the" other "play a role
play, so they fail miserably at the moment, in my opinion
yet just when it comes to grassroots democracy in their own
Party goes

offense for nothing,