ChatElders and [vlad]

Monfd
I promote KingAwad to the rank of ChatElder.
Monfd
ChatElder is a very prestigious position.
Monfd
As a ChatElder, we never, ever speak to you because you're so Elder.
Monfd
We act as if we've ignored them, but we never say the IGNORE word, as that can confuse and hurt various ChatElders.
Monfd
As a ChatElder, you sort of just speak into the darkness, with the entire community 'listening', but never 'responding'. *wink wink*
Melmoth
:)
Monfd
hehe
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Melmoth
wow
Melmoth
scientists have discovered
Melmoth
that big earthquakes happen much more often in summertime than in wintertime
Melmoth
and snowfall depresses the earth by a centimeter each winter
Melmoth
which then rebounds in the summer
Melmoth
this is really out there
Melmoth
not mainstream feminism :)
Melmoth
not that there isn't much in mainstream feminism which makes entitled males lose their shit
HowAbot1t
post your live stream uri again Easymoney
Monfd
Feminism is a range of political movements, ideologies, and social movements that share a common goal: to define, establish, and achieve political, economic, personal, and social equality of sexes.[1][2] This includes seeking to establish educational and professional opportunities for women that are equal to those for men.
Monfd
I am a feminist.
Monfd
According to that paragraph.
HowAbot1t
let's use a specific example
HowAbot1t
in terms of selecting something important
HowAbot1t
you select
HowAbot1t
go
HowAbot1t
you have 101 seconds to decide how a human is equal or less equal in a social construct from another human (monkey)
HowAbot1t
the timer doesn't start until you type the first letter.
Monfd
HowAbot1t: I don't feel your question is entirely coherent
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HowAbot1t
is that your decision?
HowAbot1t
https://youtu.be/Qemb3iBlp1o?t=193

HowAbot1t
Monfd, should people come to you for understanding or should you come to them for understanding?  Which is equivalent or equal and which is preferred?  - fuckersucker <)
Monfd
HowAbot1t: You have a pending question
HowAbot1t
what if you're not living up to the standard in communication for the rest of us?
HowAbot1t
what if you think we're not living up to your standard of communication?
HowAbot1t
don't be dense please ;)
Monfd
I have promoted you to ChatElder, HowAbot1t.
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hornest
yes, our dear leader der führer's opposition was like that, oo
hornest
trump will find a different approach than der führer, so he won't fail
Monfd
hornest: What's your estimate of Trump suiciding in the next 12 months?
hornest
cyanide in his bunker... err his white house?
[vlad]
trump is just a symptom
[vlad]
and a reasonably harmless one too
[vlad]
so far
Monfd
Harmless?
[vlad]
compared to previous presidents yes
Monfd
I don't think you appreciate the damage he has done.
Monfd
Some of it will take decades to undo.
[vlad]
internationally he's been quite good
Monfd
Wow.
Monfd
We'll put that in the queue.
Monfd
We essentially have no State Department.
[vlad]
the venezuala thing is slightly worrying atm but i don't think it'll go anywhere
Monfd
We lost a generation of institutional knowledge when he decimated State.
[vlad]
don't get me wrong i think trump is an idiot
[vlad]
but compared to bush he's nothing
[vlad]
will venezuala be trumps libya?
Monfd
His refusal to pursue climate change remedies have cost us 2 of the 14 critical years we have left to make needed revolutionary changes to avoid catastrophe.
[vlad]
heh
[vlad]
as if any previous presidents did anything about climate breakdown
Monfd
Obama did.
[vlad]
yeah he liberated libyan oil
Monfd
You're doing whataboutism.
Monfd
That's a Soviet propaganda technique.
Monfd
It has zero effect on me.
[vlad]
what he did was so small as to be inconsequential
Monfd
If you do whataboutism, I will be unable to engage you.
[vlad]
capitalistic nationalism is unable to prevent climate breakdown
Monfd
Whataboutism (also known as whataboutery) is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument,[1][2][3] which in the United States is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda.[4][5][6] When criticisms were leveled at the Soviet Union during the Cold War, the Soviet response wou
Monfd
ld often be "What about..." followed by an event in the Western world.[7][8][9]
[vlad]
yes i've heard the term before
Monfd
He has extremely strained US-EU and US-NATO relationships to the point that he is threatening the entire alliance.
[vlad]
however things do have to be taken in context
Monfd
Which is one of his jobs as a Russian agent.
Monfd
What Obama did in Libya has nothing to do with his efforts on climate change.
[vlad]
i personally don't care much about the nato alliance
Monfd
Which you leveraged as part of a way to contextually interpret Trump's opposition to climate change mitigation.
[vlad]
obama did not have any appreciable effect on climate breakdown
Monfd
I've listed three ways Trump has done extreme, long-last damage.
Monfd
I'll pause there.
Monfd
Why don't you value NATO?
[vlad]
why should i?
Monfd
It's the most successful military alliance in history that prevented Soviet domination.
Monfd
The Soviet system was a despotic form of government.
[vlad]
at the moment i'm under african domination
Monfd
That doesn't seem relevant.
Monfd
Can you tell me how it's relevant to you not liking NATO?
[vlad]
i don't see that american domination is inherently better than soviet or chinese domination
[vlad]
and quite frankly its the chinese who are going to be doing the cominating very soon
[vlad]
dominating*
Monfd
What Chinese does in the future is irrelevant to you not liking NATO.
[vlad]
i didn't say i didn't like them
Monfd
The evaluation of NATO is done by evaluating history from 1945-present.
[vlad]
i don't care about them
Monfd
Because America is 'about the same' as the Soviet Union.
Monfd
Among other factors.
[vlad]
sometimes
Monfd
[vlad]: Please give me a normalized score of Soviet Union and the United States.
Monfd
For example, the one you think is better, in totality, receives a 100.
[vlad]
neither america or russia or china are going to prevent climate breakdown
[vlad]
the current system of capitalistic nationalism is incapable of preventing climate breakdown
Monfd
We're currently discussing NATO.
Monfd
In my opinion, you haven't shown enough debate skill to have multiple simultaneous threads.
[vlad]
i am not interested in nato
Monfd
Between the US and the Soviet Union, I'd give the United States a 100 and the Soviet Union a 35.
Monfd
[vlad]: Do you remember the conversation thread?
Monfd
You mentioned that Donald Trump hasn't done much damage.
[vlad]
i would have to research before i could give any opinion
Monfd
I took the counterpoint: Donald Trump has done substantial damage.
[vlad]
and i said no more than previous presidents
04:26 Monfd
I then provided three points to highlight harm he has done, with the NATO alliance being part of point three.
Monfd
You not caring about NATO can be a 'wrong view', in the Buddhist sense, if it's correct to value NATO in evaluating what Trump has done.
[vlad]
you assign value to the nato alliance
[vlad]
i don't
Monfd
You can have whatever preferences you want. Some preferences make you unable to correctly assess the harm of Trump.
Monfd
For example, a person can have a preference of "I don't like politics much". That's fine. That person loses the right to have an opinion on the damage of Trump.
[vlad]
who is being caused this harm?
Monfd
[vlad]: The weakening of NATO is a threat to the 500 million humans in the EU and the 325 million humans in the US.
[vlad]
i'm certainly not
Monfd
Russia's goal, per Vladimir Putin, is to reconstitute the Soviet Union.
[vlad]
not really
[vlad]
russia and usa can kill each other 10 times over
Monfd
You're getting dangerously close to convincing me you don't care about this topic.
Monfd
That's a valid preference.
Monfd
It causes me to not listen to your utterances on this topic, though.
Monfd
[vlad]: Would you prefer to live in the current EU or current Russia?
[vlad]
i don't know enough about russia to make a choice monfd
Monfd
[vlad]: I don't think you're in a position to evaluate Trump's damage, then.
[vlad]
certainly not as regards nato
Monfd
As Trump is a Russian agent selected and run by Russia as part of his efforts to reconstitute the Soviet Union.
Monfd
Donald Trump became a Russian agent on 1987 Jul 04.
[vlad]
now we really are going into la la land don't you think?
Monfd
That's the first time he was invited to the then Soviet Union.
[vlad]
didn't russia cause you latest polar vortex?
Monfd
[vlad]: I have promoted you to the rank of ChatElder.
Monfd
You performed whataboutism again.
Monfd
You'll recall that I informed you that I am 100% immune to whataboutism through a synthesis of Greek philosophy and Buddhist mindfulness.
Monfd
Yet, you did it again, indicating you lack the cognitive capacity to sufficiently learn and adapt when interacting with me.
Monfd
This is valid.
04:31 Monfd
It causes me to perceive you to have an excessive cognitive gap from me.
Monfd
As a result of interacting with several tens of thousands of human beings, I believe that such a gap is preventative of good conversation.
Monfd
More contextually, such gaps are manageable, but the learning spirit of the person on the lower end has to be correspondingly enhanced.
Monfd
Unfortunately, this is generally only found when social systems inform the person they're in the student role, e.g. as a result of their age, standing in a shared community, or wealth level.
Monfd
When the person thinks of them as an 'adult' with their own preferences, they're rarely that open to learning.
Monfd
What is the path, then, for such a person in my worldview?
Monfd
They should find people who are closer in cognitive ability to learn from more gradually.
Monfd
Best of luck.