28<19@2529Wampie28> or later with warsong and patron
28<192526furrykef28> gaaah fucking Malorne!!
28<192526furrykef28> I got it from Portal, played it, it died
28<192526furrykef28> Drew it just now when I needed a frostbolt or fireball
28<192522Fenrir28> i know... but still :x
28<192522Fenrir28> like u said armorsmith stops aggro better
28<192527the8thark28> Seriously not sure how to use the new hero skins :/
28<192522Fenrir28> and its pretty rare youll have it up with acolyte
28<192526sevenup_28> if I'm going to make my own deck because I have just a few cards, is it recommended to use the assistant?
28<192527the8thark28> No
28<192526sevenup_28> the8thark, you talking to me?
28<192522Fenrir28> and saving it for patron combo is meh imo, since youll most likely have whirlwind/deaths bite by then anyways
28<192527the8thark28> yes
28<192526sevenup_28> thank you
28<192522Fenrir28> and ye dont use assistant
28<192526Twigler28> does anyone have gold helm steam summer card
28<192522Fenrir28> nope
28<192526B2K2428> That's really cool you can view your missing cardbacks in the crafting section. It would be cool at some point if they just let you craft the ones you miss :D
28<192526B2K2428> http://imgur.com/99IIvKN
28<192526Twigler28> so many pros are in this tournament
28<192526Twigler28> im scared lol
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28<192526sevenup_28> what deck should I use if I have a few cards? All decks I see ask me cards I don't have
28<192526sevenup_28> I mean if I'm a beginner
28<192526sevenup_28> I have all free and common cards
28<192522Fenrir28> only deck i could recommend is patron warrior tbh, maybe mech shaman too
28<192522Fenrir28> but mech shaman is shit
28<192526sevenup_28> but I probably don't have those cards, right? xD
28<192525Fill28> sevenup_: http://www.icy-veins.com/hearthstone/decks-and-guides-for-constructed-play
28<192525Fill28> just look for the decks with 0 to low dust cost
28<192526sevenup_28> thank you
28<192522Fenrir28> well patron warrior is cheap
28<192526sevenup_28> I'll take a look, thank you so much
28<192522Fenrir28> most the 0 dust decks require some form of naxx/brm tho
28<192522Fenrir28> at least patron requires only 1 brm and 700 dust (but youll have to use arc reaper instead of deaths bite, kinda hurts)
28<192526sevenup_28> damn it, hehe
28<192526sevenup_28> i was using some trump basic
28<192526sevenup_28> basic decks
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28<192522Fenrir28> u can use those
28<192522Fenrir28> but keep in mind they're extremely shitty
28<192522Fenrir28> even getting to rank 20 is pretty hard with those kinda decks
28<192527the8thark28> Looks like Samsung has it’s own special cardback :(  Not sool
28<192526furrykef28> Getting to rank 20 is easy.
28<192522mmsammich28> sevenup_: http://hearthstoneplayers.com/beginner-deck-tech-basic-mage/ is what im using, with the upgrades listed at the end, minus the upgrades for ogre
28<192527the8thark28> cool*
28<192526furrykef28> Even with basic decks.
28<192522mmsammich28> its been winning easily to rank 19 so far
28<192526sevenup_28> I'm already in rank 19
28<192522Fenrir28> well nvm then
28<192526sevenup_28> thank you so much, I'll take a look to the website
28<192526sevenup_28> how long have you been playing, mmsammich?
28<192522mmsammich28> sevenup_: I played a bit back when it first came out, though not verty much
28<192522mmsammich28> just came back a day or two ago
28<192526sevenup_28> ok
28<192522mmsammich28> I have a little over 50 wins in play mode, so I'd say still fairly new
28<192526sevenup_28> if you want to play some match with me, my tag is superninja#210377
28<192522mmsammich28> I can't really do much outside of playmode, need 100 wins for the heroes mount lol
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28<192526sevenup_28> ok
28<192522Fenrir28> if you're planning on using a deck that uses azure drakes
28<192526furrykef28> Woo! Blingtron from Portal.
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28<192522Fenrir28> craft them now
28<192519Freezard28> I started HotS 2 weeks ago. Already level 39
28<192519Freezard28> gg
28<192522Fenrir28> azure drake is extremely good
28<192519Freezard28> Took a bit longer to reach max level in HS ~_~
28<192526furrykef28> Thing that's the first time I've ever attacked with a weapon as Mage.
28<192526furrykef28> *think
28<192526sevenup_28> can you tell me if Arena was easy some months ago?
28<192526sevenup_28> I mean ... I was talking to some coworkers who used to play
28<192526sevenup_28> and they told me he reached to win 7 games in Arena
28<192526sevenup_28> but the most I won was 3
28<192526sevenup_28> and ... I think I've played more than they did
28<192519Freezard28> Arena is easier now
28<192529LeperG28> no it isn't, Freezard
28<192526sevenup_28> xDDDD
28<192526sevenup_28> then I must be retard
28<192526sevenup_28> because I'm also using heartharena and arenavalue
28<192526sevenup_28> and they didn't know those webs
28<192520Plaguuu28> 3 is average
28<192519Freezard28> And how many games did you play?
28<192519Freezard28> There are a lot of cards out now
28<192526sevenup_28> I think 8 or 9 arenas
28<192520Plaguuu28> if you are average you shuold be seeing some higher results every now and then
28<192520Plaguuu28> you're probably abit below if max is 3
28<192520Plaguuu28> but not retard ;)
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28<192526sevenup_28> :(
28<19@2529Wampie28> oh bow
28<192519Freezard28> OK I guess arena was harder 3 months ago if you haven't played a lot
28<19@2529Wampie28> boy
28<192519Freezard28> Er easier*
28<192522Fenrir28> it's easier now imo
28<192522Fenrir28> it just takes so fucking long for your enemy to do his turns though
28<192522Fenrir28> fucking potatoes :/
28<192525Fill28> 8-1 and I've yet to play tirion at all
28<192519Freezard28> Post BRM my arena record is ridiculous
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28<192522Fenrir28> as in much better?
28<192519Freezard28> It's always easier after new expansions and stuff
28<19@2529Wampie28> arena only gets harder as time progresses
28<192522Fenrir28> exactly
28<192519Freezard28> Yeah much better
28<192522Fenrir28> u could also play at nighttime in your region
28<192522Fenrir28> thats when the potatoes are on
28<192526sevenup_28> hmmm
28<192522Fenrir28> at like 3 AM or something
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28<192526sevenup_28> I understood nothing, haha
28<192519Freezard28> Huh? It's always harder at the night for me
28<192522Fenrir28> ranked is ez at nighttime for me
28<192528Rogler28> Anyone playing on NA want to let me cheer them to victory?
28<192522Fenrir28> thought arena should be the same?
28<192522Fenrir28> im eu
28<192528Rogler28> I have THE QUEST
28<192522mmsammich28> Rogler: mmsammich#1777
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28<192528Rogler28> Thanks friend
28<192522mmsammich28> you can watch me be bad
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28<192522Fenrir28> dafuq is this list
28<192528Rogler28> Everyone wins when I watch them
28<192522Fenrir28> bouncing blade and inner rage in control warrior
28<192522Fenrir28> i dont even... what is... fuck this gay earth
28<192522Fenrir28> argus too... but argus is so retarded strong that it doesnt even matter that he doesnt fit into CW
28<192529LeperG28> what are you, at fuckin' rank 18?
28<192522Fenrir28> YES
28<192529LeperG28> you are?
28<192522Fenrir28> no, goddamnit leper
28<192529LeperG28> 17?
28<192522Fenrir28> I GOT THE SPECTATE QUEST
28<192522Fenrir28> i was checking a fucking list on hearthpwn...
28<192528Rogler28> Ha!
28<192522Fenrir28> and actually i am... lmao
28<192522Fenrir28> rank 17
28<192522Fenrir28> thatscuz i havent been climbing ffs
28<192528Rogler28> Play more mill Rogue thats how I climb in style
28<192529LeperG28> because all the things you say in this channel, just confirm over and over again that you're a scrub.
28<192522Fenrir28> and for some reason my mech shaman was doing extremely bad when i was trying for 5 wins in shaman
28<192522Fenrir28> says the guy with adhominems for arguments
28<192528Rogler28> Someone please let me watch them on NA
28<192522Fenrir28> "arguments"
28<19@2529Wampie28> Fenrir: you should prolly play fel reavers ^^
28<192522Fenrir28> tbh i prob would do better, but only cuz most likely runs bgh in these lower ranks lmao
28<192528Rogler28> Oh cool my decks are magically back in order
28<192522Fenrir28> im not attempting to climb though, ik mech shaman is shit anyways
28<192522Fenrir28> *most likely no one
28<192529LeperG28> I remember back in the day when there were people on this channel who knew what the fuck they were talking about when it came to Hearthstone. Now we just have fucking scrubs.
28<192529LeperG28> What the fuck happened to this place?
28<192522Fenrir28> >says theres scrubs in this channel
28<19@2529Wampie28> LeperG: chill tho
28<192529LeperG28> We have people like Fenrir who say, "Loot hoarder is a bad card"
28<192522Fenrir28> >doesnt name reason
28<192529Powerchicken28> They all left for the #EdgyWannabePros channel
28<192522Fenrir28> lol at you if you think loot hoarder fits patron well
28<192529LeperG28> "I don't like loot hoarder, you should play shield block instead"
28<192522Fenrir28> maybe freeze mage
28<192522Fenrir28> i didnt say its a bad card either
28<192522Fenrir28> i said its a bad cantrip
28<192529LeperG28> It's a body. Shield block isn't./
28<192522Fenrir28> and whats that body gonna do on turn 3?
28<192522Fenrir28> hero powered?
28<192529LeperG28> You don't win in Hearthstone without a board presence, period!
28<19@2529Wampie28> thats fucking amazing
28<192522Fenrir28> well fine
28<19@2529Wampie28> If you get opponent to heropower turn 3
28<192528Rogler28> I just played some patron warrior running shield block and shield slam
28<19@2529Wampie28> Thats amazing
28<192528Rogler28> is this a new thing?
28<192522Fenrir28> but still
28<192522Fenrir28> no
28<192529Powerchicken28> Rogler, it's becoming more and more common
28<192522Fenrir28> its how id play mine
28<192528Rogler28> Totally tricked me
28<192529Powerchicken28> It's supposedly stronger against Handlock
28<192522Fenrir28> it becomes only worse from turn 3 on for loot hoarder
28<192522Fenrir28> any minion that tries to cantrip that isnt called azure drake, actually
28<192529LeperG28> so instead of a 1% winrate vs a handlock, it has a 2% winrate vs a handlock??  But at the downside of -20% winrate vs everything else..
28<192529LeperG28> Does that seem worth it to you?
28<192528Rogler28> People still play handlock? Every warlock seems to be either full on zoo or mid range voidcaller zoo
28<19@2529Wampie28> LeperG: plenty of pros run shieldblock though
28<192529LeperG28> yes, people play handlock.
28<192522Fenrir28> and malylock
28<192529Powerchicken28> LeperG, I thought you were just complaining about a lack of quality in here
28<192529Powerchicken28> Then that?
28<192522Fenrir28> how the fuck are you calling me a scrub
28<192522Fenrir28> if youre gonna say shit like that
28<192529pape28> wat r u casul
28<192529LeperG28> tell you what-- play 10 games against me.. I challenge you to win TWO of them.
28<192529pape28> wat rings u got bicth
28<192529Powerchicken28> How old are you? 12?
28<192522Fenrir28> sure lemme play you with my grim patron that has arc reaper instead of deaths bite
28<192528Rogler28> Anyone playing NA want to let me spectate?
28<192522Fenrir28> or my mech shaman (lol) without boom and TBK
28<192529LeperG28> Why the fuck wouldn't you run Death's Bite?
28<192529Powerchicken28> I'm on EU, sorry Rogler
28<192522Fenrir28> because im f2p
28<192529LeperG28> oh, cuz you're a free to play scrub.
28<192522Fenrir28> lol k
24»23» 23Wampie has kicked LeperG from #hearthstone (thats enough of the bashing for tonight23)
28<192522Fenrir28> a f2p scrub that knows his shit better than you
28<192528Rogler28> Thanks anyways
29»17»17 29Powerchicken applauds
28<192529pape28> haha
28<192522Fenrir28> ty
28<192522Fenrir28> jezus that guy is salty for some reason
28<192529pape28> hormones
28<192529Powerchicken28> ^
28<192522Fenrir28> lol
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28<192526furrykef28> I wouldn't be so rude abouti t, but I do kinda agree with him
28<192529Powerchicken28> And he's back
28<192526furrykef28> How high have you gotten on the ladder, Fenrir?
24»23» 23Wampie sets ban on *!*LeperGnom@*.wctc.net
28<192526furrykef28> *about it
28<192522Fenrir28> rank 5
24»23» 23Wampie has kicked LeperGnome from #hearthstone (LeperGnome23)
28<192522Fenrir28> LOL
28<192529Powerchicken28> And that's a ban
28<192522Fenrir28> mind you, with my shitty mech shaman
28<19@2529Wampie28> gonna remove it in a hour or so
28<192522Fenrir28> no boom and no TBK
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28<19@2529Wampie28> let him cool off
28<192522Fenrir28> fyi im not saying loot hoarder is a bad card
28<19@2529Wampie28> Scrub is not a nice term, but he is right you aint playing on the level these decks were made for, so it's annoying you spout your opinnions as facts as if you knew better than the people who actually play significant amount of time perfecting the decks Fenrir
28<192522Fenrir28> i just really think loot hoarder doesnt fit patron
28<19@2529Wampie28> You should prolly look into that, it comes off as disrespectfull and ignorant
28<192522Fenrir28> well im not trying to make them come off as fast
28<192529Powerchicken28> Who has ever played loot hoarder in patron?!?
28<192522Fenrir28> so sorry
28<192522Fenrir28> *so, sorry
28<192528Rogler28> I see it a bit
28<192522Fenrir28> *fact
28<192522Fenrir28> i see it too, i just disagree with it
28<19@2529Wampie28> Powerchicken: the cyclepatron plays 2
28<192529Powerchicken28> Never seen it
28<192522Fenrir28> loot hoarder just doesnt fit patron imo, it fits freeze mage better
28<19@2529Wampie28> Both strifecro and lifecoach ran it on viagame for example
28<192522Fenrir28> and even then you could run better cards in freeze? idk for sure
28<192528Rogler28> I don't hunter much but is turn 1 coin freezing trap a legit play?
28<192519Freezard28> Uh well why doesn't it fit
28<192528Rogler28> Just happened to me
28<192522Fenrir28> well people run bane of boom
28<192519Freezard28> The purpose of Loot Hoarder is the same in freeze mage as in patron
28<192522Fenrir28> i dont think thats a great card either
28<192526sevenup_28> http://hearthstoneplayers.com/beginner-deck-tech-basic-mage/ looks great
28<192519Freezard28> Just like it is in OTK Warrior
28<19@2529Wampie28> And i really trust their judgement more than yours fenrir
28<192526sevenup_28> thank you the one who shared it
28<19@2529Wampie28> Bane of doom is pretty great when you look the odds
28<192529Powerchicken28> I'm gonna have to look up this cyclepatron
28<192522Fenrir28> thats fine, i just try to argue it and see what comes out of the argument
28<192522Fenrir28> its not like im close minded
28<192522Fenrir28> like with the sylvanas vs sea giant, i think sylv is better, you were right
28<19@2529Wampie28> The problem with your argument is that you always just have hypotheticals to back it up.
28<192522Fenrir28> well stats are wonky usually
28<19@2529Wampie28> Since you cannot even play most the decks you propose since you dont have cards
28<192522Fenrir28> or require way too big of a sample size
28<19@2529Wampie28> Makes it really tiresome
28<192526furrykef28> There's a simple point here:
28<192522Fenrir28> and to answer freezard, it doesnt fit imo cuz as freezemage you dont care about board at all, you just freeze it
28<192526furrykef28> If Loot Hoarder Patron is so bad, how does it get to the top of the ladder?
28<19@2529Wampie28> Be it as may, i respect a lot more opinnions from a guy who has played atleast 10 games of a deck than a guy that has none.
28<19@2529Wampie28> furrykef: or top of viagame
28<192522Fenrir28> thats fine by me
28<19@2529Wampie28> or top of dreamhack that matter
28<192522Fenrir28> im not saying it destroys the deck guys
28<19@2529Wampie28> Like now i understand your problems with the patron earlier
28<192526sevenup_28> how many cards should I discard at the beginning?
28<192522Fenrir28> im just saying it could be better
28<192522Fenrir28> when running something else
28<19@2529Wampie28> if you dont have deathspite you should not play patron
28<192522Fenrir28> i mean its not the only reason i thought patron isnt that good
28<192522Fenrir28> i watched some videos of it
28<192522Fenrir28> but i guess i passed judgement too quick on it
28<192526furrykef28> It's fine to question a deck, even a top tier deck, in order to try to understand the issues involved
28<192526furrykef28> However, to talk like some kind of authority on it when clearly you aren't is another matter
28<192522Fenrir28> well im not trying to talk authority on it
28<192522Fenrir28> am i making it seem like i am?
28<192529Powerchicken28> You certainly give off that impression
28<192522Fenrir28> genuine question
28<192526furrykef28> well, yeah
28<19@2529Wampie28> Yeah
28<192522Fenrir28> well its not my intention, sorry
28<19@2529Wampie28> Way you word your arguments gives strong impression of authority
28<19@2529Wampie28> to a point where i thought you were playing actual patron list and having problems with board
28<19@2529Wampie28> To later learn you run arcanite reapers
28<192522Fenrir28> its not just from my experience
28<192522Fenrir28> i saw it plenty in videos too
28<192522Fenrir28> they had alot of problems with board usually
28<192522Fenrir28> or even floated a load of mana
28<192529Powerchicken28> So, what's the point of the cyclepatron deck? Watching Lifecoach's match against StrifeCro, what's it supposed to match up better against?
28<19@2529Wampie28> Floating mana is not a bad thing in combo decks
28<192526furrykef28> Knowing when to restrain myself and float mana is something I need a better handle on.
28<19@2529Wampie28> Also inefficient board is not a bad thing when it cycles
28<192522Fenrir28> its not, but you wont be able to handle their board at some point
28<192519Freezard28> Should you play Warrior at all if you don't have Death's Bite?
28<19@2529Wampie28> Even if that gnomish kills nothing on board, it's 4 heal
28<192522Fenrir28> you can, just not as strong
28<19@2529Wampie28> Freezard: no you shouldnt
28<192526furrykef28> I agree, Death's Bite is pretty vital.
28<19@2529Wampie28> plenty of classes you can actually enjoy
28<192522Fenrir28> well its way stronger than mech shaman...
28<19@2529Wampie28> without naxx
28<19@2529Wampie28> Thats because mech shaman is shittier
28<192526furrykef28> The deathrattle triggers your minions, and the 4/2 for 4 is a pretty sweet deal too
28<192522Fenrir28> like what? only good list i could find is mech shaman
28<19@2529Wampie28> so even shitty as fuck version of tier 1 deck is better
28<192522Fenrir28> that doesnt require naxx
28<19@2529Wampie28> I dont really follow much f2p challenges
28<192529Powerchicken28> I know Trump made it to legend with F2P decks
28<19@2529Wampie28> http://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveHS/comments/39zmgr/aggrodin_to_legend_139_na_winning_on_a_budget/ this looked promising
28<192529Powerchicken28> Go find those videos
28<19@2529Wampie28> Powerchicken: they are old as fuck
28<192522Fenrir28> that was before naxx iirc
28<192529Powerchicken28> I know, but if those are the only cards he has
28<19@2529Wampie28> But there are plenty more
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28<19@2529Wampie28> Powerchicken: then he is still better looking for recent low budget decks
28<19@2529Wampie28> like the one i pasted
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28<192522Fenrir28> wait aggrodin is actually better than mech shaman?
28<19@2529Wampie28> Well it's better than your mech shaman most likely
28<19@2529Wampie28> The burn version might be stronger, but it's also more expensive
28<192529Powerchicken28> Everything's better than mech shaman
28<19@2529Wampie28> And I think midrange shaman beats both
28<192522Fenrir28> thats cuz shaman is shit
28<192522Fenrir28> i creamed midrange shaman with mech
28<192522Fenrir28> anything he did i did better or had way better measures to control board
28<19@2529Wampie28> And yet you didnt make it legend, so i have hard time beliewing you ^^
28<192526B2K2428> shaman is not shit. There's a few high legend players that exclusively play shaman
28<192526B2K2428> top 20 and 30's legend people
28<19@2529Wampie28> We had a shaman go pretty long in dreamhack too
28<192522Fenrir28> although i did lose to one, but mostly cuz of bad draws and him getting baron and then proccing his egg and creeper
28<192526B2K2428> And Loothorder is especially good when you can run it into a juggler :P
28<192522Fenrir28> baron deathrattle legendary
28<192522Fenrir28> and i could've went legend if i really wanted to, it just takes time
28<192526B2K2428> That deathrattle cheese is not a top tier shaman deck
28<19@2529Wampie28> Yes
28<192522Fenrir28> and it was at the end of season anyways
28<192522Fenrir28> got to rank 5
28<19@2529Wampie28> So you are saying you have not played the deck enough
28<192522Fenrir28> 113 wins
28<192526Twigler28> RNG fucked me over
28<192526Twigler28> I got 3-0'd
28<19@2529Wampie28> Nothing wrong with not making legend, but not making it is saying a) I didnt play enough b) deck was not good enough or c) both
28<192522Fenrir28> 116 wins actually
28<192522Fenrir28> well i dont have boom
28<192522Fenrir28> boom wouldve won me a shitton of games
28<19@2529Wampie28> 116 wins below rank5?
28<192522Fenrir28> keep in mind i also played trumps shitty version for a while
28<19@2529Wampie28> Thats what? 50% winrate?
28<192522Fenrir28> 2 bomb lobber, 2 golems, loatheb
28<19@2529Wampie28> Yes, but here you are again with hypotheticals, i am sure you would, but until you do it's just a theory, and not a strong one
28<192522Fenrir28> instead of 2 azure drakes, 1 tech and 1 mechyeti
28<192522Fenrir28> and i grinded from 25 all the way to 5
28<192522Fenrir28> thats where the so many wins come from
28<192522Fenrir28> and thats defintely not 50% winrate
28<192522Fenrir28> 55 dust
28<192522Fenrir28> for fucks sake
28<192522Fenrir28> GIMME ANOTHER LEGENDARY
28<192522Fenrir28> well i got an abusive at least
28<19@2529Wampie28> Fenrir: yeah sorry, 116 wins would be around 58%
28<192522Fenrir28> lvl 33 shaman if that counts for anything
28<192522Fenrir28> thats still pretty good for a deck that sucks this hard
28<19@2529Wampie28> sure, and pretty okay for a f2p player
28<192522Fenrir28> and i did play shitty version for like 70 wins too
28<192522Fenrir28> bomb lobber and harvest golem... derp
28<19@2529Wampie28> but it seriously not giving anything in terms of proving your argument of a deck worth with real cards
28<192522Fenrir28> no lava burst either
28<192522Fenrir28> why do i have to prove myself? why cant i just argue the value/worth of said card?
28<192522Fenrir28> and i can easily prove it after i get deaths bite, if i really want to
28<192522Fenrir28> is prob when ill start grinding
28<192522Fenrir28> or get malygos/golden legendary from pack
28<19@2529Wampie28> Because it's literally like a novice chess player entering tournament and starting to tell the master he faces that his opening is shit
28<192522Fenrir28> if he has a reason to say that, sure why not
28<192529Powerchicken28> He does not
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28<192522Fenrir28> then no
28<19@2529Wampie28> But you have no reason, you have your gut feelings and few streams watched
28<192525Radial28> Is anyone playing on NA I could spectate?
28<19@2529Wampie28> And you argue like you know better than the guys who actually play 1000s of games per month to keep on top of the tech choices and matchups
28<192522Fenrir28> im just trying to argue to see why people run it
28<192522Fenrir28> im still not convinced of loot hoarder
28<192522Fenrir28> personally
28<192529pape28> lol this guy
28<192526furrykef28> "In general we look for a new law by the following process. First we guess it. Then we compute the consequences of the guess ... Then we compare the result of the computation to nature, with experiment or experience, compare it directly with observation, to see if it works. If it disagrees with experiment, it is wrong. ... It does not make any difference how beautiful your guess is. It
28<192526furrykef28> does not make any difference how smart you are, who made the guess, or what his name is. If it disagrees with experiment, it is wrong. That is all there is to it." -- Richard Feynman
28<192529Powerchicken28> Fenrir, nobody cares
28<192522Fenrir28> im just responding...
28<192529Powerchicken28> You're cluttering the chat
28<19@2529Wampie28> Fenrir: you could do it by asking nicely
28<192526furrykef28> (in response to "<Fenrir> why do i have to prove myself? why cant i just argue the value/worth of said card?")
28<192522Fenrir28> noone experimented subbing loot hoarder with better cards, at least i doubt it
28<192522Fenrir28> and actually got proof from it
19<2823Svardskampe19> btw fenrir
28<19@2529Wampie28> but you go: "Loot hoarder is shit" I go "It's weak minion but the cycle is important" and you go "No it's shit, weak minions are shit, i have never played a actual combo deck in my life but it's shit"
19<2823Svardskampe19> kolento plays loot hoarders in patron
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28<19@2529Wampie28> There are plenty of patron warriors out there without loot hoarders
19<2823Svardskampe19> he even threw out grommash for a second loot hoarder
28<19@2529Wampie28> funnily the most successful players lately have been using loot hoarder
28<192522Fenrir28> i noticed, i didnt agree with that and idk why he did that
28<192526B2K2428> Even pros don't necessarilly know what's best and that's why people experiement and tech in certain cards
19<2823Svardskampe19> opinion of a tournament player like Kolento....Fenrirs opinion
19<2823Svardskampe19> hmm
28<19@2529Wampie28> Maybe because he *gasps* a better player than you
19<2823Svardskampe19> which one would be more valid
28<192529Powerchicken28> I'm starting to believe this guy is taking the piss
28<192522Fenrir28> im not lol
28<19@2529Wampie28> Though ofc watching the stream where he did he would most likely explain his thought process
28<192522Fenrir28> and i agree with b2k
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28<192522Fenrir28> is why i dont exactly always "trust" pros with these things either
28<192522Fenrir28> even if theyre better players
28<192526furrykef28> And that's a good thing. A smart player questions everything rather than believing everything he is told
28<192522Fenrir28> if u guys do, thats fine, its just me personally that i dont
28<192526B2K2428> I mean with a deck like patron that's a couple months old and people are still figuring out what could be most optimal
28<192526furrykef28> But you should also respect the fact that they probably do know more than you or they wouldn't be the top players.
28<19@2529Wampie28> Lets recap, we got a loothoarder patron in finals of viagame, finals of dreamhack and #1 on ladder last season
28<19@2529Wampie28> Then we have Fenrir with rank17 and no deathspite..
28<192529Powerchicken28> And we've got Fenrir with absolutely no experience with the deck
28<192522Fenrir28> that just proves it can win games, ofc it can win games, im not saying it utterly destroys the deck
28<192522Fenrir28> all im saying is that it could be better if you sub cards out and replace with cards you think are better
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28<192529Powerchicken28> Then bloody go do it yourself and report back with your findings
28<192522Fenrir28> better as in higher winrates
28<19@2529Wampie28> Yes, but you are arguing that you know a better list than the finalist and #1 of the region
19<2823Svardskampe19> oh, people, what we see here is the Dunning Kruger effect in action
28<192522Fenrir28> im not, im trying to find out
28<19@2529Wampie28> With 0% stats of your own
19<2823Svardskampe19> the dumber someone is, the smarter he thinks he is
19<2823Svardskampe19> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
28<192522Fenrir28> how am i thinking im smart?
28<192522Fenrir28> all im getting is adhom arguments at this point
19<2823Svardskampe19> Dunning and Kruger proposed that, for a given skill, incompetent people will:[4]
19<2823Svardskampe19>     fail to recognize their own lack of skill
19<2823Svardskampe19>     fail to recognize genuine skill in others
19<2823Svardskampe19>     fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy
19<2823Svardskampe19>     recognize and acknowledge their own previous lack of skill, if they are exposed to training for that skill
28<192522Fenrir28> yes i know what the syndrome is
28<192529Powerchicken28> It's not a syndrome...
19<2823Svardskampe19> it can be a syndrome for some people I guess :p if it´s so severe
28<192529Powerchicken28> lol :P
28<19@2529Wampie28> Because you state your arguments in form of "Loothoarder is bad at patron patron because it has a bad body and bad bodies are bad" instead of "Hey guys, i have never played patron, so I was wondering is the cycle of loothoarder really worth a 2 mana 2/1"
28<192522Fenrir28> plenty of atheists on reddit, as an example, just saying
28<192526B2K2428> I don't see how anyone can have an opinion about patron without deathsbyte
28<192529Powerchicken28> Why are atheists suddenly relevant?
28<192526B2K2428> It's like freezemage without iceblock or fireball
28<192526furrykef28> yeah, what does atheism have to do with anything?
28<192527Latooni28> are we discussing r/atheism??
28<192522Fenrir28> ...
28<192527Latooni28> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slKULc8W7lM
28<192524Shocky528> r/atheism [KawaiiPiranha Cartoons] | length 1m 20s | rated 89% | 1,403,331 views | by KawaiiPiranha
28<192527HearthBot28> The card was not found.
28<192522Fenrir28> i mean plenty of them have the dunning kruger effect
28<192522Fenrir28> why are you guys assuming things im not saying?
28<192522Fenrir28> save for the guys that made this a joke
28<192529Powerchicken28> I'm genuinely flabbergasted
28<192522Fenrir28> you think some of them dont have the dunning kruger effect?
28<192522Fenrir28> *syndrome
28<192526furrykef28> I am not exactly an expert on reddit atheists
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19<2823Svardskampe19> I don´t know what you are getting at fenrir?
28<192529Powerchicken28> Are you having a stroke?
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28<192522Fenrir28> not trying to make a point
28<192522Fenrir28> and again with the adhom arguments
28<19@2529Wampie28> Oh reddit atheists are hilarious
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28<192522Fenrir28> someone who gets it... lol
28<192529Powerchicken28> Asking if you're havign a stroke is not an ad hominen attack
28<192522Fenrir28> it doesnt have anything to do with what i just said
28<192526furrykef28> I *have* seen a lot of atheists out there that say things that I would prefer not to be associated with
28<192522Fenrir28> and is an outright rude "question"
28<19@2529Wampie28> Not for any dunning kruger efect, but because they are such fundamentalists in their believe that all belief is bad ^^
28<192529Powerchicken28> Nobody has any idea what the fuck you're trying to say
28<192529Powerchicken28> At least I don't
28<192522Fenrir28> wampie does appearently
28<192522Fenrir28> i guess its more of a superiority complex?
28<19@2529Wampie28> I have no fucking idea what you are trying to say
28<192522Fenrir28> than dunning kruger, idk
28<192522Fenrir28> that they have
28<192526furrykef28> yeah, let's change the subject
28<192529Powerchicken28> ./squelch Fenrir
28<192529Powerchicken28> lol
28<192522Fenrir28> rude
28<19@2529Wampie28> Just saying to you Fenrir, please when "arguing stuff", remember to state if you dont actually play the deck
28<19@2529Wampie28> it helps everyone
28<192522Fenrir28> ill try to not argue like what i say is fact
28<192526B2K2428> Are we still talking about loothorder in patron or other things
28<192522Fenrir28> its just that i find it unnecesarry to keep saying imo
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