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[17:14]	DekZek	Hey, DF
[17:14]	DekZek	Do you know a good IRC app for the iPad?
[17:15]	DekZek	Just got App Store back
[17:15]	Disaster_Flare	Hey, unfortunately no. I don't own an iPad so I wouldn't know the first thing about it.
[17:15]	DekZek	Ok.
[17:16]	DekZek	Who did you vote for smash ballot
[17:16]	Disaster_Flare	I voted for a ton of characters actually, though my initial vote was Roy......then he got confirmed and suddenly that vote felt useless.
[17:16]	Disaster_Flare	But Bayonetta was not one of the ones I voted for.
[17:17]	DekZek	I voted for Wolf. And a joke vote for Ridley after it was supposed to be closed.
[17:17]	Timson	DekZek: literally all the good IRC clients are on android
[17:17]	Disaster_Flare	Oh hey Timson.
[17:18]	Timson	the only ones I can think of for apple are colloquy and possibly IRCCloud (don't know if that's even available)
[17:18]	DekZek	I am forced to use an iPad by my school. I don't like Apple either.
[17:19]	DekZek	Ok. Let my try one of them after they download
[17:19]	Timson	the problem with most IRC clients on apple are that they're paid but also clunky
[17:20]	DekZek	How do I sign up for IRCCloud, on the settings page
[17:20]	Timson	oh, IRCCloud actually works for apple?
[17:20]	Timson	that's pretty decent
[17:20]	DekZek	Yes, I found one
[17:20]	Timson	I thought it was only for android
[17:20]	DekZek	Hope it works
[17:20]	Timson	it does work, I've tried it, although I prefer andchat
[17:21]	DekZek	What is SSL
[17:22]	Timson	don't worry about it
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[17:25]	DekZek	How do I use the app to get this chat?
[17:26]	Timson	connect to gamesurge's server
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[17:29]	DekZek_	Hello?
[17:30]	DekZek_	Does this work?
[17:31]	DekZek_	Respond if yes
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[17:31]	Timson	hi
[17:32]	DekZek2	Yes. Now will switch back.
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[17:32]	DekZek_	Good
[17:33]	Disaster_Flare	Now hopefully you won't have to deal with it refreshing all the time.
[17:33]	DekZek_	Yeah, this app seems to work.
[17:34]	Disaster_Flare	As far as I can tell, indeed it does.
[17:36]	DekZek_	Now to come up with an excuse so that I don't get detention for having a "non-educational app"
[17:36]	Disaster_Flare	Yep.
[17:36]	DekZek_	Even though that applies to nearly every student
[17:39]	DekZek_	I really need to redesign my character competency chart
[18:11]	DekZek_	So I don't need to sign in every time, good
[18:13]	Disaster_Flare	Nice. I have to sign in every time...
[18:14]	MandL27	gg
[18:14]	Disaster_Flare	Hi MandL.
[18:15]	MandL27	Hey!
[18:19]	DekZek_	I got a new app for IRC today
[18:53]	StarCraft	Hey Disaster Flare
[18:54]	Disaster_Flare	Hey.
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[18:55]	Disaster_Flare	Hey Serpent.
[18:55]	Serpent_King	Sup
[19:20]	DekZek_	Hi, SK. Got a new IRC app.
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[20:14]	Serpent_King	Oh sorry DekZek
[20:15]	Serpent_King	I didn't see the chat change
[20:25]	DekZek_	Yeah, ok
[20:25]	DekZek_	I have had this app run in the background the entire day, and it hasn't reloaded
[20:25]	Serpent_King	Neat
[20:26]	DekZek_	All of your moves say consistancy, not consistency
[20:26]	DekZek_	For the crowd cheers
[20:26]	Serpent_King	LOL
[20:26]	Serpent_King	cannot spell
[20:26]	Serpent_King	That's just what I had in my move reason history
[20:27]	DekZek_	Still can't do italics or bold, though
[20:28]	DekZek_	I can upload images in chat, haven't tried it though
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[20:36]	DekZek_	Hi meat
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[20:42]	Bravo6	Who's Meatball104?
[20:44]	DekZek_	One of the users.
[20:45]	DekZek_	They are on recent changes right now
[20:45]	Bravo6	Alrighty, then.
[20:54]	Bravo6	MarioIsTheBest will get no sympathy from me.
[21:00]	MandL27	?
[21:01]	Bravo6	He's the user who left this wiki due to having lost interest in Smash Bros..
[21:02]	MandL27	Oh.
[21:03]	Serpent_King	Right yes
[21:03]	Serpent_King	he left the wiki
[21:03]	Serpent_King	INFINITE BAN LAY THE HAMMER DOWN ON THAT FOOL
[21:03]	Serpent_King	NO HOLDS BARRED
[21:03]	Serpent_King	F*CK HIM
[21:04]	Serpent_King	See how ridiculous that sounds?
[21:04]	Bravo6	I'm surprised bureaucrats don't have the tool to close accounts.
[21:04]	Serpent_King	They do.
[21:04]	Serpent_King	Just never use it
[21:04]	Bravo6	How come Toomai said that to him?
[21:04]	Serpent_King	What?
[21:05]	Bravo6	Toomai clearly said that he cannot close his account.
[21:05]	Bravo6	See his talk
[21:05]	Serpent_King	If he did, it was probably for simplicity sake
[21:06]	Bravo6	So I assume you didn't read the talk?
[21:06]	Serpent_King	Why would I?
[21:06]	Bravo6	I'm serious, bureaucrats CANNOT close accounts.
[21:07]	Bravo6	Wow, you seriously didn't do what I told you to do just because I'm not an admin
[21:07]	Bravo6	?
[21:08]	Serpent_King	Umm...
[21:08]	Serpent_King	I think it's more because, quite honestly
[21:08]	Serpent_King	I do not give a fuck.
[21:08]	Serpent_King
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[21:09]	Bravo6	Okay, that was weird.
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[21:19]	DekZek_	I don't miss stuff in chat while I am away.
[21:19]	BravoSix	Yup.
[21:21]	DekZek_	About the accounts, just look up the mediawiki stuff on Wikipedia. It is hard to explain otherwise.
[21:22]	Serpent_King	?
[21:24]	DekZek_	Deleting accounts and user rights, referring to what I missed while I was away.
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[22:05]	StarCraft	Who's hyped up for Star Wars guys?
[22:07]	MandL27	not me
[22:07]	StarCraft	So why not?
[22:08]	MandL27	too busy drawing for my nuzlocke
[22:09]	DekZek_	I have 3-4 weeks to see it. Still need to watch the others (for the first time).
[22:15]	Timson	MandL27: isn't nuzlocke fun
[22:15]	Timson
[22:15]	MandL27	yes
[22:15]	Timson	which game are you running?
[22:15]	MandL27	I've passed the dreaded whitney
[22:15]	MandL27	and no deaths
[22:15]	Timson	nice
[22:16]	MandL27	(hack of soulsilver where every gym leader has six mons + some other difficulty spikes)
[22:17]	Timson	oh god increased difficulty runs
[22:18]	Timson	I tend to stick to vanilla runs
[22:18]	Timson	difficulty spikes are very arbitrary and sometimes unfair
[22:18]	MandL27	well this smoothes the level curve
[22:18]	Timson	unless it's a hack with an acknowledged sane level curve, I steer away from it
[22:19]	DekZek_	Suggestion:all trainer Pokémon have max IV
[22:19]	MandL27	<Timson> unless it's a hack with an acknowledged sane level curve, I steer away from it <- this one has a sane, albeit steep, level curve
[22:19]	MandL27	route 29 wilds are 3-5 and Falkner is 12-15
[22:19]	Timson	( ͠° ͟ʖ ͡°)
[22:19]	Timson	12-15 is perfectly fine imo
[22:20]	Timson	Johto's levels were too low before, other regions have around that level at this time
[22:20]	Timson	but the wilds are awful
[22:20]	MandL27	wild levels in johto are just crap
[22:20]	Timson	if you're changing trainers to be stronger you NEED to change the wilds to be comparable as well
[22:20]	MandL27	which this hack more than fixes
[22:20]	MandL27	rt32 goes 10-12 for wilds
[22:23]	MandL27	Morty peaks at lv29; he's the next Gym Leader on my hit list
[22:24]	MandL27	(this means that I'll have two fully evolved main-team Pokémon for that battle - I had Espeon after evolving Eevee at Sprout Tower, and I'd get Luxray from grinding for Morty)
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[22:51]	DekZek_	Hi dots
[22:52]	StarCraft	Hey DekZek_
[22:52]	DekZek_	Do I have an underscore after my name?
[22:53]	StarCraft	Yeah
[22:53]	DekZek_	I can't tell, since I got a new app for the IRC, which displays my name without an underscore
[22:54]	MandL27	yet another reason irccloud is lousy
[22:55]	StarCraft	Well on my side it has always been there, even before when I got back on after some photoshop lag.
[22:58]	DekZek_	Just ignore the underscore. I don't think I can do anything about it.
[23:00]	StarCraft	You could change your nickname by typing: "/nick <insert here>"
[23:01]	DekZek_	Can you help me come up with an excuse that could make this not be a "non-educational app". I don't want a detention for having this app when I get back to school.
[23:01]	=-=	DekZek_ is now known as DekZek
[23:01]	DekZek	There
[23:01]	DekZek	Did it work?
[23:02]	StarCraft	Sure did.
[23:02]	Serpent_King	ey
[23:02]	DekZek	Hi SK
[23:02]	Serpent_King	Sup
[23:03]	DekZek	Apparently my username had an underscore
[23:03]	DekZek	I think it is fixed.
[23:03]	Serpent_King	It is
[23:04]	Serpent_King	saw it
[23:04]	DekZek	Good.
[23:04]	Serpent_King	*sigh* we're almost finished with cloud
[23:05]	Serpent_King	Been a rough 3 days
[23:05]	DekZek	Not going to buy it.
[23:06]	DekZek	Only have Mewtwo from Club Nintendo
[23:07]	DekZek	At least I know for next game, do not buy the mii fighters.
[23:07]	StarCraft	I didn't buy any DLC character on my 3DS game.
[23:07]	DekZek	I only have the 3DS version, cousin has Wii U
[23:07]	StarCraft	But its all updated on my Wii U game.
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[23:08]	DekZek	They have all DLC, including Mii Fighters. Now they will owe me ~75 dollars in DLC by the end of it.
[23:08]	DekZek	Or games
[23:11]	StarCraft	However, buying all the amiibos will cost a lot.
[23:11]	StarCraft	I only have four of them.
[23:12]	Disaster_Flare	Same.
[23:12]	StarCraft	And I bet all the Rosalina and Mega Man ones are gone.
[23:12]	Disaster_Flare	Cloud's going to be a bitch to get.
[23:12]	DekZek	Suggestion:Master Hand Amiibo that can be any Smash Fighter
[23:16]	Disaster_Flare	I'd be okay with a Master Hand amiibo, but I dunno how I feel about the idea of it being any Smash fighter. Seems like a broken idea to me.
[23:19]	DekZek	Random idea
[23:19]	Disaster_Flare	Shoot.
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[23:20]	DekZek	What?
[23:20]	Disaster_Flare	Shoot, as in let's hear it basically.
[23:20]	Disaster_Flare	Oh you meant Master Hand.
[23:20]	Disaster_Flare	I'm slow sometimes, my apologies.
[23:21]	Serpent_King	I'm slow all of the time
[23:21]	DekZek	I am slower than Brawl Ganon compared to Speed Equipped Sonic with a Bunny Hood
[23:22]	Disaster_Flare	I'm typically quick, but I have my REEEEEEAAAAAALLLLLLYYYYY slow moments. My quickest moments are at night when everyone's asleep. My brain functions best then.
[23:22]	DekZek	For me, slow because I think what I type before I type it, and iPad
[23:27]	Serpent_King	I'd blame being an admin, but I was slow before then too
[23:27]	Serpent_King	Although it is very true that since my RfA passed, my workload has tripled
[23:28]	Disaster_Flare	Is that good or bad?
[23:29]	Serpent_King	Both
[23:30]	Serpent_King	I have things to do, but it can be stressful
[23:31]	Serpent_King	Still, I am happy to call myself one of the SmashWiki staff and I have no intention of stepping down.
[23:31]	Disaster_Flare	Good way of looking at it.
[23:31]	Serpent_King	That said...I have no intention of stepping _up_ either. At least not for a very long time
[23:31]	Disaster_Flare	Same if I get promoted one day.
[23:32]	DekZek	My job around the wiki, for the most part is janitorial mass edits of the kind XL can't do.
[23:32]	Disaster_Flare	Like, if people were to ask me if I wanted to be promoted to a bcrat, I'd always give the same answer: I have no interest in doing so right now, but we'll see how things turn out in the years to come.
[23:32]	DekZek	Rollback or Admin powers wouldn't help at all.
[23:33]	Serpent_King	The thing that I think a lot of people have difficulty understanding is
[23:34]	Serpent_King	Everyone is entitled to placing an RfA
[23:34]	Serpent_King	Not everyone is suited for adminship
[23:34]	Serpent_King	At all, ever
[23:34]	Serpent_King	And that's ok!
[23:35]	Disaster_Flare	Yeah, that was one of my big fears when I submitted mine actually, because there was a big risk of me not actually being suited for adminship.
[23:35]	DekZek	Anyone can do it, doesn't mean they have a chance of success. If I wanted to I could make one right now, which would get shot down because I have no antivandal experience and suck at debate resolution.
[23:35]	Serpent_King	Personally, I think you are flare
[23:36]	Serpent_King	I won't lie that was a fear of mine from both of my RfAs
[23:36]	Disaster_Flare	Why thank you Serpent.And DekZek, everybody has their strong points and their weak points, you do great at what you do and if it's what you enjoy doing, I implore you to keep doing it.
[23:38]	DekZek	Who else will do the 4967 images left in fair use (down from 12,000 when I started)
[23:38]	Serpent_King	Do you want my honest opinion DekZek, because I'll withhold it if you don't
[23:38]	DekZek	Tell me.
[23:40]	Serpent_King	Alright. Well more or less like you said. You're great at the file-space janitorial work and other basic cleanup, but I don't think I could honestly support an RfA from you.
[23:40]	DekZek	As I expected.
[23:40]	Serpent_King	Mostly because 1) I really don't know you that well
[23:40]	Serpent_King	2) I've never seen any sign of dispute handling
[23:40]	Serpent_King	3) ...you have flare's old problem of lack of experience
[23:41]	DekZek	I suck at disputes, real life or digital. You don't want me to try to help.
[23:41]	Serpent_King	I do think you should apply for RB though
[23:41]	Disaster_Flare	Agreed.
[23:41]	DekZek	I have only done 1 vandal, and finding that edit will take forever.
[23:41]	Serpent_King	Do like I did
[23:42]	Serpent_King	extend your contributions out
[23:42]	Serpent_King	And use the browser's find tool for "Undid edit by"
[23:42]	DekZek	Whenever I try to undo (when I am on the RC), someone always beats me.
[23:43]	Serpent_King	We have a very good team of rollbackers
[23:43]	Disaster_Flare	Indeed.
[23:43]	Serpent_King	And like you said, that makes it harder
[23:44]	Serpent_King	And then there's my presence at night
[23:44]	Serpent_King	That deters most vandals.
[23:44]	DekZek	The only other way, would be to create a fake account. I'm not going to break sw:sock, and spam random pages with stuff.
[23:45]	Serpent_King	Don't pull a drilly
[23:45]	DekZek	Exactly
[23:45]	Serpent_King	Please for god's sake
[23:45]	Serpent_King	Do not
[23:45]	DekZek	I won't
[23:46]	Serpent_King	You don't know the number of gray hairs I got from dealing with that whole thing
[23:46]	DekZek	Ok.
[23:46]	Serpent_King	good.
[23:46]	Serpent_King	Anyway
[23:47]	DekZek	What were we talking about? I forgot.
[23:47]	Serpent_King	I've actually given our RfR process a fair bit of thought
[23:48]	Serpent_King	Unfortunately, short of treating it like an RfA
[23:48]	Serpent_King	Like we used to
[23:48]	Serpent_King	The way we do it seems the most logical
[23:48]	DekZek	Honestly, most good faith users could theoretically be trusted with RB powers, but that creates its own mess.
[23:50]	Serpent_King	The problem with that is
[23:50]	Serpent_King	If we were to trust everyone with RB
[23:50]	DekZek	Exactly...
[23:50]	Serpent_King	What is to stop them from finding a time without an admin
[23:50]	DekZek	And spam RB powers
[23:50]	Serpent_King	and just RBing the entire recent changes
[23:51]	Serpent_King	or contributions
[23:51]	Disaster_Flare	Yeah, I've been afraid of a situation like that ever since the Drilly incident.
[23:51]	Serpent_King	That would be a mess
[23:51]	DekZek	Other Rollbackers? Trust no one.
[23:52]	Serpent_King	I mean
[23:52]	Serpent_King	You can probably trust the RBs we have
[23:52]	Serpent_King	They're all pretty solid now
[23:52]	Disaster_Flare	Pretty much, yeah.
[23:52]	DekZek	Yeah, but distinguishing them in a flood of van
[23:52]	Serpent_King	And I mean, I hope you guys can trust me
[23:52]	DekZek	Vandal RB edits
[23:52]	DekZek	We do
[23:53]	Disaster_Flare	I definitely trust you Serpent. You're my mentor, so I kinda should.
[23:53]	DekZek	This hypothetical was with no online admins and most, if not all users have Rollback.
[23:53]	Serpent_King	D'aww
[23:53]	Serpent_King	Oh yeah
[23:53]	Serpent_King	That could go bad
[23:54]	Serpent_King	Although I would be more worried about incompetence than actual bad faith
[23:54]	DekZek	Misclick
[23:54]	Serpent_King	That and not understanding what the tool is for
[23:55]	Disaster_Flare	Do you think I understand what rollback is for out of curiosity?
[23:55]	DekZek	As RB gives no explanation
[23:56]	DekZek	Yes, as you have rollback. All RBers should know how to use their powers.
[23:56]	DekZek	And understand them.
[23:56]	Serpent_King	Yeah flare
[23:56]	Serpent_King	I've never seen you misuse it
[23:56]	Serpent_King	If that's what you mean
[23:56]	Disaster_Flare	I have had some occasional slipups though, so I just wanted to make sure.
[23:57]	DekZek	When?
[23:57]	Serpent_King	Simply misclicking when the RC shifts down doesn't count
[23:57]	Serpent_King	I've done that a few times myself
[23:57]	Disaster_Flare	Yeah, but no, I have no intention of ever purposefully misusing rollback. Not my style.
[23:58]	DekZek	No one (besides Drilly and half the hypothetical RBers) would intentionally misuse RB.
[00:00]	Serpent_King	To be fair though, Drilly never really misused it
[00:00]	Disaster_Flare	Actually, yes he has.
[00:00]	Serpent_King	He just didn't get the tool legitly
[00:01]	Serpent_King	Wait a tick
[00:01]	Disaster_Flare	He misused it to revert one of John's edits back during the tone war.
[00:01]	Serpent_King	Yeah he did a minor one and reverted it back didn't he?
[00:01]	Disaster_Flare	Bingo.
[00:03]	DekZek	Because RB doesn't give an explanation for the rollback, the reason should be obvious from a brief glance at the edit and reversion.
[00:04]	DekZek	Which only really works for vandalism
[00:05]	DekZek	Anyways, gtg now. Someone made an edit after 9, so it looks like a new day on the RC when I check after I wake up.
[00:05]	Disaster_Flare	Basically long story short, Drilly is the perfect example of how not to get (and use) rollback.
[00:06]	DekZek	And the moral of the story is... Don't misuse Rollback.
[00:06]	Disaster_Flare	^
[00:06]	Serpent_King	^
[00:08]	Serpent_King	Bai DekZek
[00:08]	DekZek	Bye.
[00:08]	Disaster_Flare	Bye?
[00:08]	Disaster_Flare	Who's leaving?
[00:09]	Serpent_King	DekZek
[00:10]	Disaster_Flare	Ah, bye.
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