BlueKirby>	Rising_Dusk
	<BlueKirby>	just the person i wanted to see
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	<Rising_Dusk>	Hi.
	<BlueKirby>	as you may or may not have seen, i've put the smogon po server back up, but it's currently missing the old database and its scripts
	<BlueKirby>	i was hoping you could help me there
	<BlueKirby>	having to rely on another server isn't any good, even though it was very nice of them to help out
	<Rising_Dusk>	Since everyone seems to know the score here, I'm not going to beat around the bush.
	<Rising_Dusk>	I am not going to do anything until Doug tells me he thinks I should.
	<BlueKirby>	you say that as if i'm the enemy, as if everyone here is the enemy
	<BlueKirby>	holding the server hostage isn't helping anyone...
	<Rising_Dusk>	I'm not holding anything hostage.
	<BlueKirby>	i'm not asking you to do any work, i can handle everything
	<Rising_Dusk>	I am holding onto the things I worked on.
	<Rising_Dusk>	Until such time as I feel I can contribute again.
	<Rising_Dusk>	This is exactly the same thing Doug is and was doing.
	<BlueKirby>	even if that's true, you didn't "work on" the user database that holds all their ratings
	<BlueKirby>	not that i agree with that mindset to begin with
	<Rising_Dusk>	Ah, you want the userdb?
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	<Rising_Dusk>	I can do that.
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	<BlueKirby>	yeah, it's sqlite right?
	<Rising_Dusk>	Yep.
	<BlueKirby>	i should be able to slot it right in
	<Rising_Dusk>	Yes, you should.
	<BlueKirby>	then at least people can ladder
	<Rising_Dusk>	Heh the password was changed.
	<Rising_Dusk>	I can't just put the db in myself.
	<Rising_Dusk>	Guess that's why it was changed.
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	<BlueKirby>	yeah, for now i'll have to slot it back in
	<BlueKirby>	i mean i'd also like to slot the scripts back in too, but it seems that isn't happening right away
	<Rising_Dusk>	Heh.
	<Rising_Dusk>	Amusing.
	<BlueKirby>	i've gotta say i'm not a big fan of the "taking my ball and going home" stuff though
	<Rising_Dusk>	What do you do for a living, BK?
	<BlueKirby>	well i'm a student primarily, but i do computer troubleshooting and repairs as a job
	<Rising_Dusk>	Ah, I see.
	<Rising_Dusk>	I'm a physicist, where things like what happens to this site are an unfortunately regular occurrence.
	<Rising_Dusk>	All you ever have as someone in my field is what you, yourself, worked on and have the rights to.
	<Rising_Dusk>	And you have to hold onto them for dear life if you want anything to change in your favor.
	<BlueKirby>	we're not physicists here though
	<Rising_Dusk>	Especially when the big guy can just say "Fuck you"
	<Rising_Dusk>	No but the mentality carries over.
	<Rising_Dusk>	Smogon is a business, whether you'll admit to it or not.
	<BlueKirby>	it shouldn't, like i said, i'm not the enemy
	<Rising_Dusk>	I'm not accusing you of being an enemy.
	<Rising_Dusk>	I am simply serving my personal morals the best I can.
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	<Rising_Dusk>	I'm sorry—genuinely sorry—if that hurts others on this site.
	<BlueKirby>	i like you, but this isn't going to work in your favour
	<Rising_Dusk>	But until such point where I can feel as though I'm not being used and abused by this website, I am keeping my ball at home where I know it's safe.
	<Rising_Dusk>	I don't expect it to.
	<twash>	depends how seriously you want to take it, some of us take it as a hobby
	<BlueKirby>	maybe it does in your line of work, but you're not endearing yourself here
	<Rising_Dusk>	If people hate me because of it, that's their prerogative.
	<Rising_Dusk>	And I accept that.
	<Rising_Dusk>	No one really liked me anyway.
	<Rising_Dusk>	Or hell, treated me with any serious respect to begin with.
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	<Rising_Dusk>	I got more "fuck you for stopping the server" PMs than "hey, what's wrong bro?" PMs.
	<Rising_Dusk>	By a fucking landslide.
	<capefeather>	D:
	<Rising_Dusk>	I didn't stop the server, ffs.
	<Rising_Dusk>	It crashed after I said "to hell with it"
	<Rising_Dusk>	And that was that.
	<BlueKirby>	yeah i know, and i get that
	<BlueKirby>	but you're trying to make yourself indispensable in the worst of ways
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	<Rising_Dusk>	I am not indispensable.
	<Rising_Dusk>	I am aware of that.
	<Rising_Dusk>	Smogon lives without Rising_Dusk, I've always known that.
	<comatt6>	wait rd what's going on?
	<Rising_Dusk>	I am trying to use my position as a means to put Smogon on better ground, alongside Doug, while simultaneously making me feel /comfortable/ by contributing.
	<BlueKirby>	you don't think i'm trying to do the same?
	<Rising_Dusk>	No, you are pretty clearly just trying to maintain the status quo and make everyone feel double rainbow happy about it, I'm sorry to say.
	<BlueKirby>	wrong
	<BlueKirby>	i just don't think denying people functionality on a simulator is changing a damn thing here
	<Rising_Dusk>	Doug thinks differently.
	<Rising_Dusk>	I spoke to Doug for hours about this, and he was the one who encouraged me into it.
	<BlueKirby>	then i'm sorry to say doug is completely wrong
	<twash>	it would be nice if that was explained to people though
	<BlueKirby>	this under the table crap isn't helping anyone
	<Rising_Dusk>	That's why I am being forward about it now.
	<BlueKirby>	all you're capable of doing here is costing me a bit of time
	<BlueKirby>	the scripts can be made again, but it seems pointless to do that
	<BlueKirby>	the server isn't where the status quo fight can be won
	<Rising_Dusk>	I acknowledge that I am replaceable.
	<Rising_Dusk>	I also acknowledge that you will personally replace both Doug and I just to keep things rolling.
	<BlueKirby>	i'm not trying to replace you
	<Rising_Dusk>	No, but you know that you will.
	<BlueKirby>	i'm just doing what you won't, i'd prefer that you did it again but here we are
	<Rising_Dusk>	That's fine. If that's the solution that Smogon wants, then so be it.
	<BlueKirby>	the stuff that's making you feel uncomfortable is going to change, you're just not in on the solution anymore because you're so stubborn about it
	<Rising_Dusk>	Is it?
	<Rising_Dusk>	Show me one sign that it's going to change.
	<BlueKirby>	you think i'd be here if it wasn't?
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	<Rising_Dusk>	You're being called in as a replacement, man. >.<
	<BlueKirby>	i wasn't called in at all
	<BlueKirby>	i was the one that started all this
	<Rising_Dusk>	Oh yeah, you volunteered to be the replacement and he graciously accepted it.
	<Rising_Dusk>	I genuinely wish that you could see where I am coming from, man.
	<BlueKirby>	i do, i get it
	<BlueKirby>	you're just fighting for it all wrong
	<Rising_Dusk>	Then what would you suggest?
	<Rising_Dusk>	That I go back to doing my job and what... Then what?
	<BlueKirby>	what you're doing isn't "not doing your job"
	<twash>	how about doing what you want to do instead of doing what you feel obliged to do
	<BlueKirby>	you didn't leave things as they were
	<BlueKirby>	you've taken what you'd already done with you
	<BlueKirby>	that's very different
	<Rising_Dusk>	I never had anything that super did when I took over the server.
	<Rising_Dusk>	I used my CAP server scripts.
	<Rising_Dusk>	That was the whole reason I was asked to take it over.
	<Rising_Dusk>	I did not build off of previous work for this.
	<BlueKirby>	it's the equivalent is doug signing in and going "you know what, i'm just gonna take my damage calculator down"
	<Rising_Dusk>	And if this conversation weren't taking so much time typing, I'd get you the db. :P
	<BlueKirby>	it isn't going on strike
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	<BlueKirby>	it's holding stuff you've already submitted hostage
	<BlueKirby>	it would've been like me trying to take all the articles i'd written with me