Dr. Who in the BBS Era

>I have often seen public telivision stations (the only ones who seem to have
>enough intelligence to show Dr. Who) offering instructions to knit or otherwise
>make a Dr. Who (Tom Baker) Scarf. These have always somehow eluded me. Does
>anyone know where I can get them?
>
>
>Andrew Schmidt
>


Here's a pattern that someone gave me - my mother and sister knitted it
for a X-mas present last year.  The person who gave it to me is
'drwho@athena.mit.edu'   Hope some of you are interested in it:


     Here is the official BBC pattern: USe no.9 american needles, and start by
chaining 60 stitches. Always slip the first stitch of each row. Make rows in
the following order:

8 purple                        8 mustard          12 grey
52 camel                        18 rust            8 mustard
16 bronze                       8 purple           20 bronze
10 mustard                      38 bronze          10 purple
22 rust                         10 camel           12 camel
8 purple                        8 grey             32 grey
20 green                        40 rust            10 rust
8 mustard                       14 mustard         16 mustard
28 camel                        20 green
14 rust                         8 purple
8 bronze                        42 camel
10 purple                       12 bronze
42 green (where I am right now) 20 grey
8 mustard                       8 rust
16 grey                         12 purple
8 rust                          6 camel
54 camel                        14 mustard
10 purple                       54 green
12 green                        16 rust

how much you'll need: 6oz wool of camel, 4 oz of "greenish brown" (try to get
almost an amalgam of the two colors, 4 oz of rust, 4 oz of bronze, 3 oz each of
purple, grey and mustard.

afterwards: make 7 tassels of each end, each  made up of 1 foot starnds of each
of the 7 colors.

I like the way mine turned out, I hope yours does as well!


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** SPOILERS FROM TIME AND THE RANI ** SPOILERS FROM TIME AND THE RANI **

A while back, I posted a request for all those funny mis-sayings that
Sylvester McCoy spouted forth in TIME AND THE RANI.  Well, thanks to
all of you who sent in your quotes!  But the most complete version
came from these folks, who had everything I had and more.

Their info is posted below...


"Time and the Rani" Malapropisms
--------------------------------

Episode 1)
~~~~~~~~~~
Fit as a trombone.
A bad workman always blames his fools.
Won't be a jiffy.
Absence makes the nose grow longer.


Episode 2)
~~~~~~~~~~
More hasta less vista.
A kangaroo never forgets.
"Stop the Melodramatics"
    { While not a malapropism, a truly WONDERFUL pun reminiscent
        of Colin Baker's Doctor. }
The proof of the pumpkin is in the squeezing.
Where there's a will, there's a Tom, Dick and Harriot.


Episode 3)
~~~~~~~~~~
All good things come to a bend.
There's none so deaf as those that clutch at straws.
A bird in the hand keeps the Doctor away.
Out of the frying pan into the mire.


Episode 4)
~~~~~~~~~~
A fool and his formula are soon parted. (as Brain)
Blessed are the piemakers for they shall make light pastry. (as Brain)
Every dogma has its day. (as Brain)
Does that mean, the faster a fat man runs, the fatter he'll get. (as Brain)
    { An EXCELLENT application of general relativity! }
Two wrongs don't make a left turn...  RIGHT!
"Leave the quotes to the expert, Mel."
He who dares, Spins. (?)
* "That means Shakespeare, Michaelangelo, Louis Pasteur, Elvis, even Mrs.
   Malaprop will never have existed."
   ~~~~~~~~
         { ...always name your sources!... }
As you snore so shall you sleep
Waste net, want net.
     { hehehe!  I thought of USENET when I heard this one. }
Where there's a will, there's a ... benificiary.
All hands to the stumps.
A miss is as good as a smile.
Memory like a dromedary.
Time and tide melts the Snowman.

Permission to reprint the previous drek is granted.  Just be sure to
credit "Bill Eggleston" and myself, "Chris Cooley" for our submission.


<<Eric's note:  Nah, I'll let you credit yourselves!  Thanks, guys!>>

- ERIC -             * Another proud CoCo 3 user *



Answers to frequently asked questions:

1.  What is the Doctor's name?

The main character of "Doctor Who" has been referred to by several
different labels.  These include:

Theta Sigma, used by Drax on the Planet of the Shadow (The Armageddon
Factor).  This is supposedly an old school name.

Doctor Who, has been used in a couple episodes, most notably The War
Machines, were WOTAN is calling for "Doctor Who".  The role was credited
as "Doctor Who" until Castrovalva, where the name changed to:

The Doctor.  This seems to be what he is called most often.

Doctor van Wer, was used in The Highlanders.

In Colony in Space, a name was presented, but was unreadable, on a
Gallifreyan computer.

Dr. Caligari was used in The Gunfighters.

Dr. Foreman was hinted at in An Unearthly Child.

Dr. John Smith was the alias the Doctor used while he was UNIT's unpaid
scientific advisor.

In The Trial of a Time Lord, one section of the matrix had the Doctor
almost saying his name while on Revlux.  He never finishes the sentence.

2.  Please explain Romana's regeneration.

There is not good explanation, but net discussions have yielded these
possibilities:

a: Romana is wasteful
b: Romana had achieved a higher level in the Academy, and hence the
ability to "try-on bodies"
c: Romana, unlike the Doctor, regenerated "Without Stress". What I
mean by this is that the Doctor could choose and "Try-on bodies" like
Romana did *IF* there was no stress about his regeneration.
d: Romana used a holographic technique to present different possible
appearances for her body before regenerating into the chosen shape.

3.  Will there ever be a woman Doctor?

While it may be possible for a male<->female regeneration, it is
unlikely that a woman will be cast as the Doctor in the near future.

This whole controversy started with Tom Baker intentionally stirring
up the hornets nest by saying when he left the part, "And I'd like
to wish the new Doctor, whoever he or she may be..."

4.  Which story had an appearance John Cleese?

John Cleese appeared with Eleanor Bron as art critics in City of Death.

5. What is Temporal Grace?

Temporal Grace is the quality which is alleged to prevent the use of
weapons inside a TARDIS.  It has not been working in the Doctor's
TARDIS.

6. Is David Agnew really a pseudonym for Douglas Adams?

Yes, with Graham Williams.  It was also used by Graham Williams and
Anthony Read.

7. Was Castrovalva the first Peter Davison story filmed?

Castrovalva WAS the fourth Peter Davison story made.  The others were
made in advance to allow the Doctor character to settle (hard to do
with three other characters to write for...).  In order, they were:
Four to Doomsday, The Visitation, and Kinda.

8. Is it OK to discuss subjects other than Doctor Who in this
newsgroup?

Strictly speaking, this newsgroup has been set up for discussions
about Doctor Who, however other topics do occasionally find their
way into this group.  Blake's 7 is the most frequent "intruder",
and it is accepted by nearly every reader.  Also appearing is
The Prisoner, and other British television shows.

There have been efforts to make a newsgroup for The Prisoner, and
for British television, but they never received enough support
to justify creation.

9. What is the "Spoilers" list?

The Spoilers list is a mailing list for discussions of upcoming events
in Doctor Who.  News of the new season, as well as discussions of
episodes most people haven't seen yet can take place here.  To join
send your email address to terminus!spoilers, specify if you want
back issues, please.

10. What is wrong with Ressurection of the Daleks?

The BBC shipped to Lionheart, the US distributor of Doctor Who, and
unfinished copy of Ressurection.  In the movie version, a large
part of the second half of the story is completely lacking in sound
effects and background music.  In the episode version, Episode Two
is similarly lacking.  They've said they plan to fix it, but it has
been broken for several years now...
--
James C. Armstrong, Jnr.        (nicmad,ulysses,ihnp4)!terminus!nyssa

"It was only a small explosion" Who said it, what story?



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In article <8844@watdragon.waterloo.edu> kgschlueter@violet.waterloo.edu (Kevin Schlueter) writes:
>In article <940@muddcs.Claremont.EDU> ghogenso@muddcs.Claremont.EDU (Gordon Hogenson) writes:
>>One Cyberman in Attack was actually killed with an ordinary bullet.
>Let's be fair here.  That bullet was literally at point blank range.
Yep.
So was the pipe that decapitated a cyberman in the same story.
Point is, in earlier stories, cybermen were not destroyed by bullets,
even at point blank range.  It took a hail of bullets or explosives
at best to destroy one.
--
James C. Armstrong, Jr		nyssa@terminus.UUCP

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My favourite pointless villains are not the Cybermen, but the Silurians.
(Purists would say that they're not villains, but given that they have
one of the prime villain characteristics--skulking around in tunnels--they
certainly qualify.)
The Silurians all bear a remarkable resemblance to a former Prime Minister
of Canada, the Right Hon. John George Diefenbaker (deceased), who ruled
from 1958 to 1963. The jowls, the voice, even the green skin, make them
dead ringers.
I hope nobody is going to blame the Silurians on JN-T??



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THE LEGACY OF GALLIFREY
by Martin Wiggins, Gordon Blows,
Trevor Phillips, and Stephen Payne

      		            <* Part II *>
      When he passed on the Presidency to Pandad, Rassilon had made it seem
natural that the Presidency should stay in the Prydomian chapter.  Not
surprisingly, harsh voices were raised in dissent at his "accepted wisdom".
Morbius, the Patrex Councillor, had the loudest.  It was during this period of
dissatisfaction that the next great event in Time Lord history occured -- Civil
War (or really terribly uncivil war as many of the dormice-like Time Lords
thought).  Morbius, a very popular man amongst the Patrexes, and even the
Arcalians, suddenly became a cul leader.  He wanted a joint High Council, with
representatives of all three castes working for the people, and a decree to
make all Gallifreyans Time Lords (not just the descendents of Rassilon's
aritsocrats).  But he especially desired the Presidency.
      If Pandad was considering either of the first two demands, he certainly
didn't approve of the latter.  And so he tried to exile Morbius and a few of
his followers, in an effort to show his strength and resolve.  But Morbius
escaped, and travelled through time, amassing a huge army of evil to attack the
Capitol.  In the ensuing war, the loss of life was quite horrific -- with whole
generations of Time Lords and ordinary Gallifreyans dying in the battle.
Eventually Pandad drove Morbius' army to the planet Karn where, in a final
confrontation, the two armies were destroyed, as was most of the planet's
bystanding populace.
      Morbius was captured and faced a trial on Karn -- much to the annoyance
of the Sisterhood of Karn, or rather the survivors of it, who would have
preferred the whole disastrous business to have taken place on Gallifrey.
Pandad sent Morbius' army back from whence they came, and stated that Morbius
would be the first Time Lord to be executed.  During this announcement, Pandad
misjudged his footing and stepped back over a precipice, falling to his death.
Pandemonium ensued, and in the midst of the confusion an Arcalian Cardinal,
Helron, managed to operate the disintegration chamber in which Morbius had been
encased.
      Having made reasonable peace with the Sisterhood Of Karn (the Time Lords
agreed to protect them, if the Sisterhood supplied them with some of their
life-giving Elixir, which allows Time Lords to regenerate properly in case
something goes wrong with the process), Helron declared himself President and
returned with an Arcalian council to Gallifrey.  Although Morbius was regarded
as evil, his claims had some effect on Time Lord society, and so Helron placed
a Cardianl and a Councillor from each caste on the High Council.  However, the
President and his Chancellor would always be from the same chapter.  As a
result of these changes, Azmeal was out of a job.  Not that he minded geatly as
he set his mind to investigate the secret's of Rassilon's Matrix.  Throughout
these experiments, Azmeal always had a nagging feeling that he was only
discovering those facts to which something, somewhere, was leading him.
Rassilon was continuing to help the Time Lords.
      All this time, Helron and his High Council grew increasingly wary of
Azmeal, and possibly a little afraid of him as well.  After the ex-Chancellor
regenerated for the last time, many thousands of years after Morbius' crusade,
Helron decided to remove Azmeal from Gallifrey.  Needless to say, with his work
still uncompleted, Azmeal resented this decision and spoke out against the High
Council, declaring them as hypocrites.  In fear of the Council's response, he
fled Gallifrey only to be hunted down by alien employees of Helron.  Angry at
this transgression of the Laws Of Time, and at the destruction of the planet he
was on by the warriors who were searching for him, Azmeal returned, now branded
as the first rebegade Time Lord, and massacred Helron and his High Council.
Immediately a new High Council came into power, decreed Azmeal Public Hero
Number One, and allowed him to escape Gallifrey to complete his work on the
Matrix.
      It was during this time of reorganizing that the Academy of Time Lords
was turning out some of its best students.  It was also a time of strife as
many Time Lords and Gallifreyans were remouncing their society, choosing to
live on other planets or in the outer wastes of Gallifrey.  These few realised
that Rassilon was right and Gallifrey had fallen into decay.
      In particular, three students at the academy, two Prydonians and one
Arcalian, consistently conducted rebellious, anti-heirarchical activities.  One
was a thoroughly unpleasant egotist who liked to be known as the Master -- a
titled earned through his constant bullying of other students.  He was a very
good cosmic theoretician, but not skilled in practice.  His contemporary from
the Prydonian chapter was known as the Doctor who, with a friend called Drax,
spent most of his tme carrying out silly chemical experiments.  The third
dissenter was an Arcalian girl called Rani, who was brilliant at everything,
and chemistry in particular.
      As the three grew up, and apart, it became obvious to Cardianl Borusa
that they had little future on Gallifrey.  The Master was the first to escape,
by gaining Professor Salyavin's permission to investigate the Academy library
after hours, and thus discover a special book.  Although the Master never found
the book, he left Salyavin well and truly implicated in the affair.  Salyavin
was then to be imprisoned on a special Time Lord prison planet, because the
theft of the book was a very special crime.  Somewhat bitter for being
imprisoned for not really committing a crime, Salyavin decided that to spite
the High Council he would steal the book and take it with him.  The High
Council never knew this and so Slyavin vanished to Shada.  About fifty years
later the book was also discovered lost, but no one really cared; they had
survived withtout it for a few thousand years, and probably wouldn't need it
again in a hurry.
      The Doctor, meanwhile, became a Councillor on the High Council, and for
many years sat and watched the Universe and basically ensured that no
violations of time took lace.  However, he made it abundantly clear that he
wanted more from life than to act as an intergalactic policeman.  Eventually,
he followed the Master's trail and, stealing a Type 40 TARDIS Mark I from the
repair shop, took along his equally nosey young granddaughter with him on his
quest.  All this time, the Doctor's travels were being watched...not by the
Time Lords or the Master, but by Rassilon.  Inside the Matrix, although their
bodies were long dead, the minds of the Time Lords carried on.  Without the
need for physical awareness, their mental powers developed, and through the use
of the Amplified Panatropic Computation (APC) network, stretched their powers
back into the phusical world, not only on Gallifrey but everywhere.
      Rassilon created two forces, a force for light and good, and a force for
dark and evil.  These two entities existed on the astral plane, each needing
the other to keep universal harmony; to prevent the Universe from sinking into
total chaos or total docility.  The power Rassilon gave these astral
projections was a key, The Key To Time which, when assembled, could be used to
literally stop the Universe, and if it had slipped slightly too far good, or
too far evil, these projections could therefore control the non-physical side
of the Universe.  Rassilon and the Time Lords in the Matrix (the Matrix Lords)
then agreed to use a physical force outside the APC Net onGallifrey, and set up
the Celestial Intervention Agency (CIA), a flippant title, but a honest one.
      This select group of Time Lords were able to break the Laws of Time, if
need be, to meddle in the affairs of others.  The CIA were of course not
generally credited on Gallifrey, so very few Gallifreyans knew of it's
existence, and frequently its operators thought they were working for the
President when in fact they were working for Rassilon, through his CIA agents
and the APC Net.  The CIA, however, needed also needed an agent outside
Gallifrey, and Rassilon decreed it should be the Doctor, although it wasn't
until the incident with the Great Intelligence in London on Earth that the
Doctor suspected he was being used.
      When the CIA openly contacted him and involved him in an attempt by the
Sontarans to discover time travel, the Doctor broke the Firt Law Of Time and
met his future self.  Although it was accidental, the Doctor desperately tried
to escape the Time Lords.  Eventually, however, he required the Time Lords'
help when a massive transportation through time was neede for some human
soldiers.  The Time Lords caught the culprits (one of the High Council was
actually involved with the project although he died during the final battle)
and dealt out the same fate that had befallen the Fendahl eons earlier.  The
Doctor was put on trial and three members of the High Council sentenced him.
The three were a Prydonian Councillor called Goth, Adelphi, an Arcalian
Councillor and the new Prydonian Chancellor, Socra.  Socra was also a member of
the CIA but no one, not even the President, knew that.  The Doctor was exiled
to Earth and his features were once again altered.  Socra also had orders not
to lose contact with the Doctor.  Thus it was when the Master arrived on Earth,
seeking revenge against the Doctor for past deeds, Socra persuaded the
President, Pandad IV, to send a member of the High Council to warn the Doctor.
Now that they had warned the Doctor, the CIA made use of him as a free agent.
The Doctor naturally resented this, but knew it was only a matter of time
beofre the CIA, probably through Socra, convinced Pandad IV to release him.
      The release came at the end of the Omega incident.  The Matrix Lords
could forsee anything, they could even implant visions inside people's minds,
but even they were unprepared for Omega's revenge, as the one place they
couldn't explore was anti-matter...and that was Omega's domain.  Omega,
deserted and believed long-dead, decided the time was right to strike at his
brother Gallifreyans and receive the recognition he deserved for giving them
time travel.  Although Omega was finally defeated by the Doctor, the affair
provided a new awareness on Gallifrey, and once it was over, Chancellor Socra
convinced the President that the Doctor should be freed.  Pandad insisted on an
explanation, and so The Matrix Lords allowed the existence of the CIA to become
official.  Yet Pandad IV didn't, arguing that such an official recognition
would weaken the people's belief in the High Council; appearances had to be
maintained and so, once again, the CIA faded into myth.
      Satisfied that things were going his way, Pandad IV became a relaxed and
contented President, until the chemical work of an ex-student of Cardinal
Borusa's days at the Academy got the better of him.  The Rani was now a high
ranking official at the Academy herself.  She developed a way of making life
grow from an embryo to maturity in a matter of minutes.  A by-product of this
was, however, that the animals grew somewhat larger than they should have been.
One day a mouse she was experimenting on escaped and attacked the High Council.
Socra died in the animal's jaws, but more importantly Pandad IV's cat was
eaten, along with the lower half of the Preident's leg.  After he had
regenerated to save himself,  an irate Pandad IV appointed Goth as his new
Chancellor, and exiled the Rani.  He never found himself another cat, and, as
he was the last of the "normal" President's as we know it, no one has had one
since.
      The choice of Goth as the new Chancellor was something Pandad IV
regretted to his dying day.  This momentous occasion occurred some thiry years
later when Pandad IV informed the Chancellor that, as he was in that office, he
couldn't possibly become President.  The position was offered to Cardinal
Borus.  By this time, Goth had met the Master, and together they planned to
depose Pandad IV and have Goth elected President.  This would be a break with
tradition that Goth would ensure by blackmailing the CIA into helping him.
Goth's plan failed and the Master left him to die, although Borusa changed the
facts so that far from beings Pandad IV's assassin, Goth became a hero.
      Although the Doctor had declared himself a candidate for the Presidency,
he never took the post up.  Whilst the Presidency was unfilled, the High
Council ratified Borusa's promotion to Chancellor, which left him virtually in
charge.  Thus, when the Sontarans invaded Gallifrey, Time Lord was without a
Presidency, a position the Doctor returned to assume.  Borusa was reluctantly
glad of the Doctor's help in defeating the aliens, and, after the renegade
resigned, Borusa took charge of Gallifrey and made some sweeping changes:
he reduced the High Council, tightened up on security and made the Time Lords a
little more aware of the decadent lifestyle they were leading.  It was a long,
though worthwhile, struggle, and cost Borusa a regeneration lost through
stress.
      The CIA also seemed to vanish, but The Matrix Lords were well aware of
Borusa's machinations.  He had been Chancellor, he had known about The Great
Key and had even worn the Sash Of Rassilon, and now he was President --
something strictly forbidden!  Accordingly, Rassilon had laid a trap to destroy
for good someone as evil and power-hungry as Borusa.  Borusa meanwhile had
built himself a High Council of some repute.  Although a Prydonian himself, he
had an Arcalian Chancellor -- a lady called Thalia, a Prydonian Cardinal called
Zorac and Hedin, a Councillor of the Patrex chapter, and the required ordinary
Gallifreyan, the Castellan.  Together, this Council strove to make Gallifrey a
decent place, and for many years succeeded -- until Omega re-emerged.
      It seemed that the CIA had been wrong all this time, and the Doctor had
really failed to destroy Omega.  Using Councillor Hedin as a link, Omega
deceived him, playing on the old man's loyalty to  "the old ways" (the reason
Borusa had put him on the Council) to help him return for revenge.  Once again,
however, with the help of the Doctor, Omega was thwarted.  Hedin died and the
High Council was in disarray.  The Matrix Lords could forsee a time when Borusa
would lead Gallifrey into ruination and so Rassilon put into play, for only the
fourth time since his physical death, The Game Of Rassilon.
      Borusa finally sought immortality, genuinely believing that a Time Lord
such as he, who had twice seen Omega defeated, seen the Master defeated after
Pandad's assassination, and played such an active part in the repulsion of the
Sontaran attack, should become President Eternal, and rule Gallifrey forever.
He reactivated The Death Zone and tried to see how best to get into The Dark
Tower.  The first thing he did was to send in one of the High Council, under
the pretence that The Death Zone was being used by an external force which had
to be investigated.  First Cardinal Zorac and then Chancellor Flavia visited
the Zone.  Neither survived the lightening bolts that seemed to come from
nowhere -- although had anyone been able to trace them, they would have traced
them back to the Astral plane of the Matrix, where Rassilon was transmuting
psychis energy into elemental weaponry.
      Eventually Borusa decided that to clear the way he would use the Doctor,
in all his five incarnations.  Borusa was aware there were still obsructions in
the timefields from the early days, and so he needed scouts to remove the
dangers.  He used the earliest Doctor to destroy the remaining Daleks, but the
massive force of Cybermen needed far more to bring about their destruction.
Having rid himself of the Castellan, whom he used as a scapegoat to take the
b;ame for reactivating The Death Zone, Borusa finally fell into Rassilon's trap
and played The Game...and lost.  Borusa received his immortality, as a living
bust deep within The Tomb Of Rassilon.  The Doctor was returned home, and left
Chancellor Flavia, a Prydonian lady, as acting-President.
      The first thing Flavia did was to destroy the Gaming Room and, with a new
High Council, set about running Gallifrey along the correct lines.  The latest
order Acting-President Flavia enacted was to report that she intended to obtain
an intelligent cat.  And somehow she felt that deep from within the Matrix, The
Matrix Lords, and Rassilon in particular, agreed wholeheartedly.  She called
the cat Doctor...

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In your nth article, you write :
> Hold on to your seats, everyone...the end is almost here!
>
> {blah, blah, blah..}
>
> Era review -
>         The era relies very heavily on visual items...the most since the
> early Pertwee's.  JN-T should have left when Peter Davison did.  He lost
> creativity and good writers then, and it shows very profoundly.  The stories
> are far too uniform in style.  Perhaps varying story length and style would
> help.  JN-T never stuck with a winning team, as shown by the constant
> changes in production staff and writers.  Unfortunately, the series is now
> geared for Americans.
             =========
Do I detect a bid of nationalistic snobbery ? If JN-T has botched the
series, go burn him in effigee... America bashing is a cheap shot. Before
this becomes a flame that will require a UN peace-keeping force, let
me say, as an American, that I have enjoyed DW. It is overall, the most
enduring, and respectable shows this side of Galifrey. JN-T is, to be
sure, less than competent. The new format of the show, and the simple-minded
plots for the SM Dr. will never sell in America -- no matter what the
Ad-men say. In the U.S., every devoted fan of DW that I've heard is
getting fed up with the intellectual pablum from Lionhart these days.
The TB Dr. (before JN-T) had character, spirit, a love for science and
a child-like curiosity. The stories (though sometimes pat) didn't
insult the viewer. Any PhD could  be entertained without being embarrassed.
The fluff we get these days is sickening. The writers are ignorant of the
history and basic story-line of the show. Since Americans are largely
paying for it, the series is being over-priced right out of the budgets
of most PBS affiliates who carry it. If this sounds grim, that's because
it is. If it makes you angry, it should. It would be a national shame
to the Britons if the show dies because of petty economics, or the
misguided plans of the producer. Bring back TB or JP for a reunion.
Bring in enthusiastic, talented writers. Pay closer attention to script
than SFX. Honestly, the last thing JN-T should want is to make DW more
like American SciFi. Even if JN-T is the worst egomanic, he should
realize that it would be better to go down as the producer who turned
the Who-ship around, rather than the #$%!@# who sank it ! I hope this
finds its way to you-know-who !

In article <12634@ncoast.UUCP>, allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:
>
> Heisenberg still applies.  Temperature, unlike position or momentum, can be
> measured passively:  simply arrange to detect any emitted radiation.  So it
> is possible to determine if a region of space is at absolute zero without
> altering it.  This means that the momentum of any particles in that region
> must be zero -- at which point (via Heisenberg) their position must be
> infinitely indeterminate.
	Perhaps this is a way to travel through vast distances.  Simply
	make the <thing> exist at absolute zero, then the position,
	being indeterminate, could be anywhere in the universe.  When
	the <thing> heats up again, it may materialize someplace else.
	Thus, in the lab, any specimen reduced to absolute zero may
	well disappear (at least from this portion of the universe).
	(The car *was* frozen in _Back to the Future_)
					mak

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The effectiveness of bullets has varied from show to show.  During
"Revenge? of the Cybermen", When Tom Bakers' Doctor meets them, two
soldeirs from Nova Becon try invain to kill attacking cybermen with a
machine gun.  Latter the inhabitants of Voga find out that their guns
are useless.  During this episode, the Cybermen have guns built into
their heads that shoot some sort of spark.
When Peter Davidsons' (sp?) Doctor meets the Cybermen, they have switched to
hand held laser guns.
When Colin BaKer's Doctor and Peri meet the Cybermen,  one of Litton's
men kills one with a hand gun at point blank range.

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In article <9686@cup.portal.com> Armstead_Phil_Smith@cup.portal.com writes:
>>                                           Unfortunately, the series is now
>> geared for Americans.
>             =========
>Do I detect a bid of nationalistic snobbery ? If JN-T has botched the
>series, go burn him in effigee... America bashing is a cheap shot.
I suspect you have missed the point, this is not so much America
bashing as bashing American television SF.  Even you did that later:
>          Honestly, the last thing JN-T should want is to make DW more
>like American SciFi.
I've met both Joe and Louis at conventions, and we have discussed
Doctor Who in depth.  While I may not always agree with them on
every point, we to tend to feel that American comercial television
and particularly American TVSF isn't worth the powder and shot to
blow it to hell.
Since the demise of the original Star Trek, we have been treated to
a series of high budget SF on American television.  This budget is
used for special effects, and not for getting good scripts.
Funny, isn't that a frequent complaint against JNT's Doctor Who?
Old Doctor Who had laughable special effects, but the shows were still
worth watching because they had good stories.  If you don't have a
good story, no special effects budget will save you.
It seems you agree with me:
>Bring in enthusiastic, talented writers. Pay closer attention to script
>than SFX.
>                                                          I hope this
>finds its way to you-know-who !
If you want it to:
John Nathan-Turner
Doctor Who Production Office
BBC-Television Centre
Wood Lane
London W12 7RJ
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In article <7302@well.UUCP> ewhac@well.UUCP (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab) writes:
>[ Follow the bouncing ! ]
I shall try.  Do the same for me?
>	Well, the comprehensive review of the John Nathan-Turner era was
>most interesting, and prompted me to think about those episodes I've seen.
I, too, will be putting out a critique shortly, but will respond with
a couple points.
>>	A Charged Vacuum Emboitement [ ... ]
>	I thought it was Charged Vacuum Envoidment.
Nope.  Louis & Joe were correct.
>>Four to Doomsday -
>	I don't remember this one at all.  I guess I haven't seen it enough
>times.
Quite an indictment...  It really was unmemorable!
>>Earthshock -
>	Adric dies.  Personally, I had no problem with him, but it seems he
>was the center of much controversey (much the same as ST:TNG's Wesley
>Crusher).
When Adric died, the shout of joy in the David Russell Hall Commons
Room was louder than when news of the sinking of the Belgrano arrived
three months later.
>	I suspect the reason for the silent ending at episode 4 was because,
>unless I've forgotten something, this was the first time a companion of The
>Doctor had died.
Yes, you've forgotten something:  Katarina and Sarah Kingdom both
died in The Dalek Masterplan.
>>Resurrection of the Daleks -
>>        This is the first story shown in 45 minute episodes, [ ... ]
>	Why did they do this?  It makes the "cliffhangers" on odd episodes
>precisely that: Odd.
The Winter Olympics were being shown at the time, so they merged the
four episodes into two.
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In article <11722@terminus.UUCP> nyssa@terminus.UUCP (The Prime Minister) writes:
>Old Doctor Who had laughable special effects, but the shows were still
>worth watching because they had good stories. If you don't have a
>good story, no special effects budget will save you.
Of the "old Doctor Who" that I've seen, really only 50% of them at best had
"good stories".  I mean, even by the time Tom Baker came around, they were
faced with having done everything.  I would hardly call "Revenge of the
Cybermen", "Terror of the Vogons 8-)", or "The Sontaran Experiment", from
Tom Baker's "critically acclaimed" first season, good stories.  At least not
in the plot sense, and if it hadn't been for Sarah Jane, not in the dialogue/
characterization sense either.
I'd rather watch Colin Baker than "Revenge of the Cybermen" any day.  In fact,
to be frank, I've become really sick of Tom Baker's portrayal.  He may be
a good actor but he practically came out and said in public, "The character
of the Doctor is unrealistic by default", and then gave up on realism.  Look,
here's a really dangerous alien pointing a gun up my nose, am I worried?
Naah!  "Will there be strawberry jam for tea?"
Sheesh.  Flame off.  Miserable as JNT may have been as of late, he was still
one of the best things that happened to the 4th Doctor.
--
Jay Hinkelman
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But Lee, you forgot the most Earth shattering scene- a Dalek going up stairs!!
Yup, now we know how they conquered the planet in the 23rd century. A red force
field appears under their base and up they go.
They also did a neat Daleks eye view just before they blasted people, with
strange sysmbols updating beneath crosshairs ala Terminator.
I agree with Lee's comments about the credibility of a lot of the charecters
behaviour, it's always been an irritating aspect of Dr Who. I'm not sure if they
are insulting our intelligence or under-estimating our age. Oh well, stick with
it I suppose.

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   After watching The War Games again, I have come to the conclusion that the
Master and the War Chief were, in fact, the same person. I know this is not
an original thought, but I used to be against it. After all, we saw him die
at the end. However, how many times have we seen the Master "die" or left him
in some impossible situation? If nothing else, The Planet of Fire should have
finished him off. I even wrote a Doctor Who script for a class project based
on the fact that the Master died there. But did he die there? Of course not!
He's the Master and he's indestructable. Watching The War Games again with an
open mind, I saw that the personality of the War Chief and the Master were
extremely close. Any minor changes could easily be attributed to regeneration
peculiarities. What do you think?
					Gary Duzan
					Time  Lord
				    Third Regeneration
p.s. I don't want to know what any book (official or not) thinks. I want to
know what you, as a fan, think of the possibility.
					GD,TL,TR

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In article <4238@bsu-cs.UUCP> vamp@bsu-cs.UUCP (Michael G. Rothermel) writes:
>In an episode like the Five Doctors, why doesnt' #5 remember everything as
>happening four times before?
>
>Someone is going to say "but he was taken out of his timeline".  Well, this
>is true, but being taken out of one's timeline is done all the time in the
>Who universe.  Any of the companions, with the exception of Jamie & Zoe,
>remember all of their adventures with the Doctor, even though they were
>taken out of their timelines and then put back.
>


In article <8844@watdragon.waterloo.edu> kgschlueter@violet.waterloo.edu (Kevin Schlueter) writes:
>In article <940@muddcs.Claremont.EDU> ghogenso@muddcs.Claremont.EDU (Gordon Hogenson) writes:
>>One Cyberman in Attack was actually killed with an ordinary bullet.
>>
>>To quote one DWB, "If Joe Blow can kill a Cyberman with an ordinary
>>bullet, then who needs the Doctor?" (not really an exact quote).
>>
>>Gordon Hogenson @ Harvey Mudd
>
>Let's be fair here.  That bullet was literally at point blank range.
Yeah, but when you consider the thousands of rounds fired at the
Cybermen previous to this, by groups like U.N.I.T. and such, with
nary a dent, I think it's a bit too much of a change. Maybe UNIT's
problem was that they were using blanks... hey, that would explain
a lot.... Hmmm....
Mark Modig
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Cybermen:
Yup.  When you get REAL close to a cyberman, you can do things like stuff a gun
into some little hole in its armor (or its chest plate), and it'll probably
do a LOT of damage, like a bullet bounces around in a tank (or so I've heard).
This is the problem: not many people can shoot at a near-invisible moving
hole in armor and expect to hit it, certainly not UNIT troopers at medium rifle
range.
The Watcher:
It is my understanding that the Watcher was formed from the "great forces" that
were going on during the destruction of Logopolis and the disappearance of the
known universe.  The Doctor was affected in that one of his regenerations got
sent backwards in time, and became The Watcher
						Michael Lewchuk

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In article <939@muddcs.Claremont.EDU> ghogenso@muddcs.Claremont.EDU (Gordon Hogenson) writes:
>Other forthcoming books are The War
>Machines, the Wheel in Space (attention you Cyberman fans), Edge of
>              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I just read The Wheel in Space, and the last page announces the
1988 Doctor Who 25 Year Bonanza Competition!  1st prize is a trip
to the DW studios and lunch with the Doctor, 2nd prize is a complete
set of DW novels, and 25 runners-up will receive The Commemorative
Volume: "Doctor Who - 25 Glorious Years".  Unfortunately, there is
a disclaimer printed very small at the bottom which reads "This
competition is open to residents of the UK only..."  Damn.  Contests
can be so much fun.
Although it doesn't really matter now, since the dealine was September
30, the questions you had to answer on the entry form were:
1. What date was the first episode of Doctor Who broadcast on television?
2. Who played the first Doctor Who's assistant?
3. I read Doctor Who books because___________________________. (no
   more than 15 words)

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In article <8844@watdragon.waterloo.edu> kgschlueter@violet.waterloo.edu (Kevin Schlueter) writes:
>In article <940@muddcs.Claremont.EDU> ghogenso@muddcs.Claremont.EDU (Gordon Hogenson) writes:
>>One Cyberman in Attack was actually killed with an ordinary bullet.
>Let's be fair here.  That bullet was literally at point blank range.
Yep.
So was the pipe that decapitated a cyberman in the same story.
Point is, in earlier stories, cybermen were not destroyed by bullets,
even at point blank range.  It took a hail of bullets or explosives
at best to destroy one.
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My favourite pointless villains are not the Cybermen, but the Silurians.
(Purists would say that they're not villains, but given that they have
one of the prime villain characteristics--skulking around in tunnels--they
certainly qualify.)
The Silurians all bear a remarkable resemblance to a former Prime Minister
of Canada, the Right Hon. John George Diefenbaker (deceased), who ruled
from 1958 to 1963. The jowls, the voice, even the green skin, make them
dead ringers.
I hope nobody is going to blame the Silurians on JN-T??



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THE LEGACY OF GALLIFREY
by Martin Wiggins, Gordon Blows,
Trevor Phillips, and Stephen Payne

      		            <* Part II *>
      When he passed on the Presidency to Pandad, Rassilon had made it seem
natural that the Presidency should stay in the Prydomian chapter.  Not
surprisingly, harsh voices were raised in dissent at his "accepted wisdom".
Morbius, the Patrex Councillor, had the loudest.  It was during this period of
dissatisfaction that the next great event in Time Lord history occured -- Civil
War (or really terribly uncivil war as many of the dormice-like Time Lords
thought).  Morbius, a very popular man amongst the Patrexes, and even the
Arcalians, suddenly became a cul leader.  He wanted a joint High Council, with
representatives of all three castes working for the people, and a decree to
make all Gallifreyans Time Lords (not just the descendents of Rassilon's
aritsocrats).  But he especially desired the Presidency.
      If Pandad was considering either of the first two demands, he certainly
didn't approve of the latter.  And so he tried to exile Morbius and a few of
his followers, in an effort to show his strength and resolve.  But Morbius
escaped, and travelled through time, amassing a huge army of evil to attack the
Capitol.  In the ensuing war, the loss of life was quite horrific -- with whole
generations of Time Lords and ordinary Gallifreyans dying in the battle.
Eventually Pandad drove Morbius' army to the planet Karn where, in a final
confrontation, the two armies were destroyed, as was most of the planet's
bystanding populace.
      Morbius was captured and faced a trial on Karn -- much to the annoyance
of the Sisterhood of Karn, or rather the survivors of it, who would have
preferred the whole disastrous business to have taken place on Gallifrey.
Pandad sent Morbius' army back from whence they came, and stated that Morbius
would be the first Time Lord to be executed.  During this announcement, Pandad
misjudged his footing and stepped back over a precipice, falling to his death.
Pandemonium ensued, and in the midst of the confusion an Arcalian Cardinal,
Helron, managed to operate the disintegration chamber in which Morbius had been
encased.
      Having made reasonable peace with the Sisterhood Of Karn (the Time Lords
agreed to protect them, if the Sisterhood supplied them with some of their
life-giving Elixir, which allows Time Lords to regenerate properly in case
something goes wrong with the process), Helron declared himself President and
returned with an Arcalian council to Gallifrey.  Although Morbius was regarded
as evil, his claims had some effect on Time Lord society, and so Helron placed
a Cardianl and a Councillor from each caste on the High Council.  However, the
President and his Chancellor would always be from the same chapter.  As a
result of these changes, Azmeal was out of a job.  Not that he minded geatly as
he set his mind to investigate the secret's of Rassilon's Matrix.  Throughout
these experiments, Azmeal always had a nagging feeling that he was only
discovering those facts to which something, somewhere, was leading him.
Rassilon was continuing to help the Time Lords.
      All this time, Helron and his High Council grew increasingly wary of
Azmeal, and possibly a little afraid of him as well.  After the ex-Chancellor
regenerated for the last time, many thousands of years after Morbius' crusade,
Helron decided to remove Azmeal from Gallifrey.  Needless to say, with his work
still uncompleted, Azmeal resented this decision and spoke out against the High
Council, declaring them as hypocrites.  In fear of the Council's response, he
fled Gallifrey only to be hunted down by alien employees of Helron.  Angry at
this transgression of the Laws Of Time, and at the destruction of the planet he
was on by the warriors who were searching for him, Azmeal returned, now branded
as the first rebegade Time Lord, and massacred Helron and his High Council.
Immediately a new High Council came into power, decreed Azmeal Public Hero
Number One, and allowed him to escape Gallifrey to complete his work on the
Matrix.
      It was during this time of reorganizing that the Academy of Time Lords
was turning out some of its best students.  It was also a time of strife as
many Time Lords and Gallifreyans were remouncing their society, choosing to
live on other planets or in the outer wastes of Gallifrey.  These few realised
that Rassilon was right and Gallifrey had fallen into decay.
      In particular, three students at the academy, two Prydonians and one
Arcalian, consistently conducted rebellious, anti-heirarchical activities.  One
was a thoroughly unpleasant egotist who liked to be known as the Master -- a
titled earned through his constant bullying of other students.  He was a very
good cosmic theoretician, but not skilled in practice.  His contemporary from
the Prydonian chapter was known as the Doctor who, with a friend called Drax,
spent most of his tme carrying out silly chemical experiments.  The third
dissenter was an Arcalian girl called Rani, who was brilliant at everything,
and chemistry in particular.
      As the three grew up, and apart, it became obvious to Cardianl Borusa
that they had little future on Gallifrey.  The Master was the first to escape,
by gaining Professor Salyavin's permission to investigate the Academy library
after hours, and thus discover a special book.  Although the Master never found
the book, he left Salyavin well and truly implicated in the affair.  Salyavin
was then to be imprisoned on a special Time Lord prison planet, because the
theft of the book was a very special crime.  Somewhat bitter for being
imprisoned for not really committing a crime, Salyavin decided that to spite
the High Council he would steal the book and take it with him.  The High
Council never knew this and so Slyavin vanished to Shada.  About fifty years
later the book was also discovered lost, but no one really cared; they had
survived withtout it for a few thousand years, and probably wouldn't need it
again in a hurry.
      The Doctor, meanwhile, became a Councillor on the High Council, and for
many years sat and watched the Universe and basically ensured that no
violations of time took lace.  However, he made it abundantly clear that he
wanted more from life than to act as an intergalactic policeman.  Eventually,
he followed the Master's trail and, stealing a Type 40 TARDIS Mark I from the
repair shop, took along his equally nosey young granddaughter with him on his
quest.  All this time, the Doctor's travels were being watched...not by the
Time Lords or the Master, but by Rassilon.  Inside the Matrix, although their
bodies were long dead, the minds of the Time Lords carried on.  Without the
need for physical awareness, their mental powers developed, and through the use
of the Amplified Panatropic Computation (APC) network, stretched their powers
back into the phusical world, not only on Gallifrey but everywhere.
      Rassilon created two forces, a force for light and good, and a force for
dark and evil.  These two entities existed on the astral plane, each needing
the other to keep universal harmony; to prevent the Universe from sinking into
total chaos or total docility.  The power Rassilon gave these astral
projections was a key, The Key To Time which, when assembled, could be used to
literally stop the Universe, and if it had slipped slightly too far good, or
too far evil, these projections could therefore control the non-physical side
of the Universe.  Rassilon and the Time Lords in the Matrix (the Matrix Lords)
then agreed to use a physical force outside the APC Net onGallifrey, and set up
the Celestial Intervention Agency (CIA), a flippant title, but a honest one.
      This select group of Time Lords were able to break the Laws of Time, if
need be, to meddle in the affairs of others.  The CIA were of course not
generally credited on Gallifrey, so very few Gallifreyans knew of it's
existence, and frequently its operators thought they were working for the
President when in fact they were working for Rassilon, through his CIA agents
and the APC Net.  The CIA, however, needed also needed an agent outside
Gallifrey, and Rassilon decreed it should be the Doctor, although it wasn't
until the incident with the Great Intelligence in London on Earth that the
Doctor suspected he was being used.
      When the CIA openly contacted him and involved him in an attempt by the
Sontarans to discover time travel, the Doctor broke the Firt Law Of Time and
met his future self.  Although it was accidental, the Doctor desperately tried
to escape the Time Lords.  Eventually, however, he required the Time Lords'
help when a massive transportation through time was neede for some human
soldiers.  The Time Lords caught the culprits (one of the High Council was
actually involved with the project although he died during the final battle)
and dealt out the same fate that had befallen the Fendahl eons earlier.  The
Doctor was put on trial and three members of the High Council sentenced him.
The three were a Prydonian Councillor called Goth, Adelphi, an Arcalian
Councillor and the new Prydonian Chancellor, Socra.  Socra was also a member of
the CIA but no one, not even the President, knew that.  The Doctor was exiled
to Earth and his features were once again altered.  Socra also had orders not
to lose contact with the Doctor.  Thus it was when the Master arrived on Earth,
seeking revenge against the Doctor for past deeds, Socra persuaded the
President, Pandad IV, to send a member of the High Council to warn the Doctor.
Now that they had warned the Doctor, the CIA made use of him as a free agent.
The Doctor naturally resented this, but knew it was only a matter of time
beofre the CIA, probably through Socra, convinced Pandad IV to release him.
      The release came at the end of the Omega incident.  The Matrix Lords
could forsee anything, they could even implant visions inside people's minds,
but even they were unprepared for Omega's revenge, as the one place they
couldn't explore was anti-matter...and that was Omega's domain.  Omega,
deserted and believed long-dead, decided the time was right to strike at his
brother Gallifreyans and receive the recognition he deserved for giving them
time travel.  Although Omega was finally defeated by the Doctor, the affair
provided a new awareness on Gallifrey, and once it was over, Chancellor Socra
convinced the President that the Doctor should be freed.  Pandad insisted on an
explanation, and so The Matrix Lords allowed the existence of the CIA to become
official.  Yet Pandad IV didn't, arguing that such an official recognition
would weaken the people's belief in the High Council; appearances had to be
maintained and so, once again, the CIA faded into myth.
      Satisfied that things were going his way, Pandad IV became a relaxed and
contented President, until the chemical work of an ex-student of Cardinal
Borusa's days at the Academy got the better of him.  The Rani was now a high
ranking official at the Academy herself.  She developed a way of making life
grow from an embryo to maturity in a matter of minutes.  A by-product of this
was, however, that the animals grew somewhat larger than they should have been.
One day a mouse she was experimenting on escaped and attacked the High Council.
Socra died in the animal's jaws, but more importantly Pandad IV's cat was
eaten, along with the lower half of the Preident's leg.  After he had
regenerated to save himself,  an irate Pandad IV appointed Goth as his new
Chancellor, and exiled the Rani.  He never found himself another cat, and, as
he was the last of the "normal" President's as we know it, no one has had one
since.
      The choice of Goth as the new Chancellor was something Pandad IV
regretted to his dying day.  This momentous occasion occurred some thiry years
later when Pandad IV informed the Chancellor that, as he was in that office, he
couldn't possibly become President.  The position was offered to Cardinal
Borus.  By this time, Goth had met the Master, and together they planned to
depose Pandad IV and have Goth elected President.  This would be a break with
tradition that Goth would ensure by blackmailing the CIA into helping him.
Goth's plan failed and the Master left him to die, although Borusa changed the
facts so that far from beings Pandad IV's assassin, Goth became a hero.
      Although the Doctor had declared himself a candidate for the Presidency,
he never took the post up.  Whilst the Presidency was unfilled, the High
Council ratified Borusa's promotion to Chancellor, which left him virtually in
charge.  Thus, when the Sontarans invaded Gallifrey, Time Lord was without a
Presidency, a position the Doctor returned to assume.  Borusa was reluctantly
glad of the Doctor's help in defeating the aliens, and, after the renegade
resigned, Borusa took charge of Gallifrey and made some sweeping changes:
he reduced the High Council, tightened up on security and made the Time Lords a
little more aware of the decadent lifestyle they were leading.  It was a long,
though worthwhile, struggle, and cost Borusa a regeneration lost through
stress.
      The CIA also seemed to vanish, but The Matrix Lords were well aware of
Borusa's machinations.  He had been Chancellor, he had known about The Great
Key and had even worn the Sash Of Rassilon, and now he was President --
something strictly forbidden!  Accordingly, Rassilon had laid a trap to destroy
for good someone as evil and power-hungry as Borusa.  Borusa meanwhile had
built himself a High Council of some repute.  Although a Prydonian himself, he
had an Arcalian Chancellor -- a lady called Thalia, a Prydonian Cardinal called
Zorac and Hedin, a Councillor of the Patrex chapter, and the required ordinary
Gallifreyan, the Castellan.  Together, this Council strove to make Gallifrey a
decent place, and for many years succeeded -- until Omega re-emerged.
      It seemed that the CIA had been wrong all this time, and the Doctor had
really failed to destroy Omega.  Using Councillor Hedin as a link, Omega
deceived him, playing on the old man's loyalty to  "the old ways" (the reason
Borusa had put him on the Council) to help him return for revenge.  Once again,
however, with the help of the Doctor, Omega was thwarted.  Hedin died and the
High Council was in disarray.  The Matrix Lords could forsee a time when Borusa
would lead Gallifrey into ruination and so Rassilon put into play, for only the
fourth time since his physical death, The Game Of Rassilon.
      Borusa finally sought immortality, genuinely believing that a Time Lord
such as he, who had twice seen Omega defeated, seen the Master defeated after
Pandad's assassination, and played such an active part in the repulsion of the
Sontaran attack, should become President Eternal, and rule Gallifrey forever.
He reactivated The Death Zone and tried to see how best to get into The Dark
Tower.  The first thing he did was to send in one of the High Council, under
the pretence that The Death Zone was being used by an external force which had
to be investigated.  First Cardinal Zorac and then Chancellor Flavia visited
the Zone.  Neither survived the lightening bolts that seemed to come from
nowhere -- although had anyone been able to trace them, they would have traced
them back to the Astral plane of the Matrix, where Rassilon was transmuting
psychis energy into elemental weaponry.
      Eventually Borusa decided that to clear the way he would use the Doctor,
in all his five incarnations.  Borusa was aware there were still obsructions in
the timefields from the early days, and so he needed scouts to remove the
dangers.  He used the earliest Doctor to destroy the remaining Daleks, but the
massive force of Cybermen needed far more to bring about their destruction.
Having rid himself of the Castellan, whom he used as a scapegoat to take the
b;ame for reactivating The Death Zone, Borusa finally fell into Rassilon's trap
and played The Game...and lost.  Borusa received his immortality, as a living
bust deep within The Tomb Of Rassilon.  The Doctor was returned home, and left
Chancellor Flavia, a Prydonian lady, as acting-President.
      The first thing Flavia did was to destroy the Gaming Room and, with a new
High Council, set about running Gallifrey along the correct lines.  The latest
order Acting-President Flavia enacted was to report that she intended to obtain
an intelligent cat.  And somehow she felt that deep from within the Matrix, The
Matrix Lords, and Rassilon in particular, agreed wholeheartedly.  She called
the cat Doctor...

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In your nth article, you write :
> Hold on to your seats, everyone...the end is almost here!
>
> {blah, blah, blah..}
>
> Era review -
>         The era relies very heavily on visual items...the most since the
> early Pertwee's.  JN-T should have left when Peter Davison did.  He lost
> creativity and good writers then, and it shows very profoundly.  The stories
> are far too uniform in style.  Perhaps varying story length and style would
> help.  JN-T never stuck with a winning team, as shown by the constant
> changes in production staff and writers.  Unfortunately, the series is now
> geared for Americans.
             =========
Do I detect a bid of nationalistic snobbery ? If JN-T has botched the
series, go burn him in effigee... America bashing is a cheap shot. Before
this becomes a flame that will require a UN peace-keeping force, let
me say, as an American, that I have enjoyed DW. It is overall, the most
enduring, and respectable shows this side of Galifrey. JN-T is, to be
sure, less than competent. The new format of the show, and the simple-minded
plots for the SM Dr. will never sell in America -- no matter what the
Ad-men say. In the U.S., every devoted fan of DW that I've heard is
getting fed up with the intellectual pablum from Lionhart these days.
The TB Dr. (before JN-T) had character, spirit, a love for science and
a child-like curiosity. The stories (though sometimes pat) didn't
insult the viewer. Any PhD could  be entertained without being embarrassed.
The fluff we get these days is sickening. The writers are ignorant of the
history and basic story-line of the show. Since Americans are largely
paying for it, the series is being over-priced right out of the budgets
of most PBS affiliates who carry it. If this sounds grim, that's because
it is. If it makes you angry, it should. It would be a national shame
to the Britons if the show dies because of petty economics, or the
misguided plans of the producer. Bring back TB or JP for a reunion.
Bring in enthusiastic, talented writers. Pay closer attention to script
than SFX. Honestly, the last thing JN-T should want is to make DW more
like American SciFi. Even if JN-T is the worst egomanic, he should
realize that it would be better to go down as the producer who turned
the Who-ship around, rather than the #$%!@# who sank it ! I hope this
finds its way to you-know-who !

In article <12634@ncoast.UUCP>, allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:
>
> Heisenberg still applies.  Temperature, unlike position or momentum, can be
> measured passively:  simply arrange to detect any emitted radiation.  So it
> is possible to determine if a region of space is at absolute zero without
> altering it.  This means that the momentum of any particles in that region
> must be zero -- at which point (via Heisenberg) their position must be
> infinitely indeterminate.
	Perhaps this is a way to travel through vast distances.  Simply
	make the <thing> exist at absolute zero, then the position,
	being indeterminate, could be anywhere in the universe.  When
	the <thing> heats up again, it may materialize someplace else.
	Thus, in the lab, any specimen reduced to absolute zero may
	well disappear (at least from this portion of the universe).
	(The car *was* frozen in _Back to the Future_)
					mak

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The effectiveness of bullets has varied from show to show.  During
"Revenge? of the Cybermen", When Tom Bakers' Doctor meets them, two
soldeirs from Nova Becon try invain to kill attacking cybermen with a
machine gun.  Latter the inhabitants of Voga find out that their guns
are useless.  During this episode, the Cybermen have guns built into
their heads that shoot some sort of spark.
When Peter Davidsons' (sp?) Doctor meets the Cybermen, they have switched to
hand held laser guns.
When Colin BaKer's Doctor and Peri meet the Cybermen,  one of Litton's
men kills one with a hand gun at point blank range.

Steven Widom
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In article <9686@cup.portal.com> Armstead_Phil_Smith@cup.portal.com writes:
>>                                           Unfortunately, the series is now
>> geared for Americans.
>             =========
>Do I detect a bid of nationalistic snobbery ? If JN-T has botched the
>series, go burn him in effigee... America bashing is a cheap shot.
I suspect you have missed the point, this is not so much America
bashing as bashing American television SF.  Even you did that later:
>          Honestly, the last thing JN-T should want is to make DW more
>like American SciFi.
I've met both Joe and Louis at conventions, and we have discussed
Doctor Who in depth.  While I may not always agree with them on
every point, we to tend to feel that American comercial television
and particularly American TVSF isn't worth the powder and shot to
blow it to hell.
Since the demise of the original Star Trek, we have been treated to
a series of high budget SF on American television.  This budget is
used for special effects, and not for getting good scripts.
Funny, isn't that a frequent complaint against JNT's Doctor Who?
Old Doctor Who had laughable special effects, but the shows were still
worth watching because they had good stories.  If you don't have a
good story, no special effects budget will save you.
It seems you agree with me:
>Bring in enthusiastic, talented writers. Pay closer attention to script
>than SFX.
>                                                          I hope this
>finds its way to you-know-who !
If you want it to:
John Nathan-Turner
Doctor Who Production Office
BBC-Television Centre
Wood Lane
London W12 7RJ
--
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In article <7302@well.UUCP> ewhac@well.UUCP (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab) writes:
>[ Follow the bouncing ! ]
I shall try.  Do the same for me?
>	Well, the comprehensive review of the John Nathan-Turner era was
>most interesting, and prompted me to think about those episodes I've seen.
I, too, will be putting out a critique shortly, but will respond with
a couple points.
>>	A Charged Vacuum Emboitement [ ... ]
>	I thought it was Charged Vacuum Envoidment.
Nope.  Louis & Joe were correct.
>>Four to Doomsday -
>	I don't remember this one at all.  I guess I haven't seen it enough
>times.
Quite an indictment...  It really was unmemorable!
>>Earthshock -
>	Adric dies.  Personally, I had no problem with him, but it seems he
>was the center of much controversey (much the same as ST:TNG's Wesley
>Crusher).
When Adric died, the shout of joy in the David Russell Hall Commons
Room was louder than when news of the sinking of the Belgrano arrived
three months later.
>	I suspect the reason for the silent ending at episode 4 was because,
>unless I've forgotten something, this was the first time a companion of The
>Doctor had died.
Yes, you've forgotten something:  Katarina and Sarah Kingdom both
died in The Dalek Masterplan.
>>Resurrection of the Daleks -
>>        This is the first story shown in 45 minute episodes, [ ... ]
>	Why did they do this?  It makes the "cliffhangers" on odd episodes
>precisely that: Odd.
The Winter Olympics were being shown at the time, so they merged the
four episodes into two.
--
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In article <11722@terminus.UUCP> nyssa@terminus.UUCP (The Prime Minister) writes:
>Old Doctor Who had laughable special effects, but the shows were still
>worth watching because they had good stories. If you don't have a
>good story, no special effects budget will save you.
Of the "old Doctor Who" that I've seen, really only 50% of them at best had
"good stories".  I mean, even by the time Tom Baker came around, they were
faced with having done everything.  I would hardly call "Revenge of the
Cybermen", "Terror of the Vogons 8-)", or "The Sontaran Experiment", from
Tom Baker's "critically acclaimed" first season, good stories.  At least not
in the plot sense, and if it hadn't been for Sarah Jane, not in the dialogue/
characterization sense either.
I'd rather watch Colin Baker than "Revenge of the Cybermen" any day.  In fact,
to be frank, I've become really sick of Tom Baker's portrayal.  He may be
a good actor but he practically came out and said in public, "The character
of the Doctor is unrealistic by default", and then gave up on realism.  Look,
here's a really dangerous alien pointing a gun up my nose, am I worried?
Naah!  "Will there be strawberry jam for tea?"
Sheesh.  Flame off.  Miserable as JNT may have been as of late, he was still
one of the best things that happened to the 4th Doctor.
--
Jay Hinkelman
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But Lee, you forgot the most Earth shattering scene- a Dalek going up stairs!!
Yup, now we know how they conquered the planet in the 23rd century. A red force
field appears under their base and up they go.
They also did a neat Daleks eye view just before they blasted people, with
strange sysmbols updating beneath crosshairs ala Terminator.
I agree with Lee's comments about the credibility of a lot of the charecters
behaviour, it's always been an irritating aspect of Dr Who. I'm not sure if they
are insulting our intelligence or under-estimating our age. Oh well, stick with
it I suppose.

                         Nathan Brazil IS God !!!!!!!!
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   After watching The War Games again, I have come to the conclusion that the
Master and the War Chief were, in fact, the same person. I know this is not
an original thought, but I used to be against it. After all, we saw him die
at the end. However, how many times have we seen the Master "die" or left him
in some impossible situation? If nothing else, The Planet of Fire should have
finished him off. I even wrote a Doctor Who script for a class project based
on the fact that the Master died there. But did he die there? Of course not!
He's the Master and he's indestructable. Watching The War Games again with an
open mind, I saw that the personality of the War Chief and the Master were
extremely close. Any minor changes could easily be attributed to regeneration
peculiarities. What do you think?
					Gary Duzan
					Time  Lord
				    Third Regeneration
p.s. I don't want to know what any book (official or not) thinks. I want to
know what you, as a fan, think of the possibility.
					GD,TL,TR

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In article <4238@bsu-cs.UUCP> vamp@bsu-cs.UUCP (Michael G. Rothermel) writes:
>In an episode like the Five Doctors, why doesnt' #5 remember everything as
>happening four times before?
>
>Someone is going to say "but he was taken out of his timeline".  Well, this
>is true, but being taken out of one's timeline is done all the time in the
>Who universe.  Any of the companions, with the exception of Jamie & Zoe,
>remember all of their adventures with the Doctor, even though they were
>taken out of their timelines and then put back.
>

Well, maybe we should come up with some kind of distinction between
traveling in time (i.e., being taken out of one's TIME) and being
taken out of one's timeLINE.  After all, the phrase "taken out of
one's timeline" only occurs on WHO in very specific and infrequent
circumstances.  For instance, in "The Five Doctors", the 4 earlier
incarnations were removed from their timelines (or, if your prefer,
timestreams--the same thing). But in "The War Games", Jamie and
Zoe were returned to their own TIMES.
In case anyone wants to start a discussion, we'll start with the follow-
ing definition: a person's TIMELINE is the sequence of events, sometimes
chronologically linear, that happen to that person, from birth to death.
I say "chronologically linear" to signify the chronology that the person's
eyes see; if I hop in a time machine and travel forward to 2012, then back
to 1950 (before I was born), my timeline is still (new word coming 8-)
chronolinear. Even the Brigadier had a chronolinear timeline, despite
the sequence of events in "Mawdryn Undead".  However, should a person
split into two entities in two parallel universes, or be removed like
the Doctors were in "The Five Doctors", his timeline is no longer
chronolinear.  In these cases there is some kind of branching from the
timeline, and the things that happened off the chronolinear section cannot
be recalled, since the mind functions only on chronolinear lines (?)
remember, the Brigadier forgot what happened in the "Mawdryn" affair
because he had a nervous breakdown shortly after his (1977) return to
earth.
Anyone who wants to debate this defintion, or to discuss some of its
apparent results, please feel free to do so.  Actually, a point that
I glossed over was the following: is their a distinction between
a person's timeSTREAM and his timeLINE?
Ooooooh, this is gonna be fun.
--
Jay Hinkelman
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In article <10583@reed.UUCP> odlin@reed.UUCP (Iain Odlin) writes:
>In article <453@husc6.harvard.edu> gallaghe@husc8.UUCP (Paul Gallagher) writes:
>
>God only knows when _Mark of the Rani_ happened in the Master's personal
>time-line.  It may have happened long before _Planet of Fire_.
>  -Iain Odlin
Nope, sorry, but the Doctor and the Rani both ask him how he survived the
Sarn incident.  His response (at least to one of them), "I am indes-
tructible", shows that he already knew of the incident.
As for the original question, "How did he survive," it was postulated in
the Doctor Who Role-Playing Game (for what it's worth) that the Master
has a device that teleports him back to his secret base of operations
whenever his regeneration process is about to occur, so he can somehow
heal himself or whatever there, hence not losing another regeneration
(he is out of them).  This doesn't answer, though, why he looked so
gosh-darned scared when the Doctor turned up the heat on him.
--
Jay Hinkelman
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In article <1086@buengc.BU.EDU> bph@buengc.bu.edu (Blair P. Houghton) writes:
>In article <2660@k.cc.purdue.edu> akf@k.cc.purdue.edu.UUCP (Jay Hinkelman) writes:
>>
[here's where I attacked Tom Baker's Doctor for being too unrealisitic
 and annoyingly flippant, referring to a specific scene in his first
 season where an alien pointed a gun up his nose and he said, "Will
 there be strawberry jam for tea?"]
>>
>Wrongemboyo!  The character in those scenes was brilliant.  Here's a
>being capable of time travel, and arguably from a race that could own
>the universe, and showing the concomitant unflapability that comes with
>that sort of confidence.
I disagree.  America is one of the most powerful nations on earth, and
many Americans are quite flippant about it.  But if a Russian citizen
were to come up to one of them and point a gun up such a person's nose,
he'd probably be frightened nonetheless.  In other words, national/racial
bravado does not necessarily produce personal bravado.  Besides, the
Doctor didn't think much of Gallifreyan society, or he wouldn't have
left it.
>			  He understands the psychology of dangerous
>situations to the point where he is generally able to unnerve the
>terrorist (who does his work through psychology, not force) by not being
>predictable.
I have a hard time thinking of a Cyberman or a Sontaran as a terrorist,
especially because they DID do their work by force.  Also, flippancy
does not equal unpredictability.  If someone in a bad mood points a gun
up your nose, you DON'T MAKE HIM MADDER.
>		He controlled the situation and survived, and he did it
>without pouting (JPertwee) or becoming nervous and deferential (CBaker or
>TFarnham, er, PDavisson).
If he controlled the situation, he did it by thinking, not by being
flippant.  I doubt seriously that people who have their lives threatened,
even more than infrequently, become arrogant about it.
>You're right if you point out that the first TB season was lame (too much
>clowning, too little depth in the portrayal), but nobody else was even
>believable in the face of Daleks.
I've never accused Tom Baker (who was bloody awful 8-) of being a bad
actor.  He wasn't.  I just think that someone made a bad decision concerning
how the character of the Doctor would be played, and one of the persons
involved in that decision was Tom Baker.  After all, he DID suggest to
the producers that he be allowed to have a talking head of cabbage as a
companion.  I will admit that many of my gripes with his portrayal arise
from his first season.
>				--Blair
>				  "And *nobody* else would have
>				   been able to say, 'drop your
>				   weapons or I'll kill him with
>				   this deadly jelly baby...'"
I'll give you that one.  Patrick Troughton could have tried it--after all,
he supposedly started the jelly baby thing--but I doubt he could have
reached the savage's neck. 8-)
--
Jay Hinkelman
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In article <2671@k.cc.purdue.edu> akf@k.cc.purdue.edu (Jay Hinkelman) writes:
[on the "unbelievability" of Tom Baker's Doctor being flip in the face of
danger]
> >			  He understands the psychology of dangerous
> >situations to the point where he is generally able to unnerve the
> >terrorist (who does his work through psychology, not force) by not being
> >predictable.
>
> I have a hard time thinking of a Cyberman or a Sontaran as a terrorist,
> especially because they DID do their work by force.
Look, if someone really wanted to use force to get you to cooperate, they'd
hurt you first, then ask the questions.  If they're using threats to start,
they're using psychology, not force.  TB's Doctor recognized this and acted
accordingly.
> Also, flippancy does not equal unpredictability.  If someone in a bad mood
> points a gun up your nose, you DON'T MAKE HIM MADDER.
You just contradicted your self.  The predictable response would be to not make
him madder, so being flip is being unpredictable.
Also, what would he be afraid of from the gun?  That it might (*chuckle*) kill
him?  Big deal, so he comes back as Peter Davison and has a messy coat.
--
Yog-Sothoth Neblod Zin,
Chris Jarocha-Ernst
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In article <2061@udccvax1.acs.udel.EDU> gdtltr@vax1.acs.udel.EDU (Gary D Duzan)
writes:
>    After watching The War Games again, I have come to the conclusion that the
> Master and the War Chief were, in fact, the same person. .... Watching The
> War Games again with an open mind, I saw that the personality of the War
> Chief and the Master were extremely close. Any minor changes could easily be
> attributed to regeneration peculiarities. What do you think?
I think any minor changes should more properly be ascribed to similar
personalities of different people.
Look, when the Master first appeared (under that name, if you will) in "Terror
of the Autons", the Doctor recognized his handiwork because of tissue
compressed bodies lying around.  Where in "The War Games" are there tissue
compressed bodies?  Where does the Doctor tell the Master something like "in
that 'War Games' fiasco of yours..." or the Master refer to the Doctor's
meddling in same?
There's simply no evidence linking the Master and the War Chief.  True, there's
nothing explicitly disproving it, either, but then there's nothing disproving
that the Master was the Monk or the Valeyard, either.
--
Yog-Sothoth Neblod Zin,
Chris Jarocha-Ernst
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In article <2671@k.cc.purdue.edu> akf@k.cc.purdue.edu.UUCP (Jay Hinkelman) writes:
>In article <1086@buengc.BU.EDU> bph@buengc.bu.edu (Blair P. Houghton) writes:
>>In article <2660@k.cc.purdue.edu> akf@k.cc.purdue.edu.UUCP (Jay Hinkelman) writes:
>>			  He understands the psychology of dangerous
>>situations to the point where he is generally able to unnerve the
>>terrorist (who does his work through psychology, not force) by not being
>>predictable.
>
>I have a hard time thinking of a Cyberman or a Sontaran as a terrorist,
>especially because they DID do their work by force.
They never forced the Doctor; they always need him for something or other,
and threaten the companions instead.  It's his "Achilles Heel," and
I suspect he uses it as a tool by now.  (Reality check:  the writers
certainly use it as a tool.)
>>		He controlled the situation and survived, and he did it
>>without pouting (JPertwee) or becoming nervous and deferential (CBaker or
>>TFarnham, er, PDavisson).
>
>If he controlled the situation, he did it by thinking, not by being
>flippant.
You try cracking a joke in a situation like that without popping a vessel
in your head.
>>You're right if you point out that the first TB season was lame (too much
>>clowning, too little depth in the portrayal), but nobody else was even
>>believable in the face of Daleks.
>
>I've never accused Tom Baker (who was bloody awful 8-) of being a bad
>actor.  He wasn't.  I just think that someone made a bad decision concerning
>how the character of the Doctor would be played, and one of the persons
>involved in that decision was Tom Baker.  After all, he DID suggest to
>the producers that he be allowed to have a talking head of cabbage as a
>companion.  I will admit that many of my gripes with his portrayal arise
>from his first season.
Cabbage?  Adric?  No, he's a turnip if ever there was one.  Leela?
No, she's pure cheesecake, with her own knife.  Sarah?  No, she's
more mineral than vegetable.  Romana II?  ...
				--Blair
				  "Where does the Dr. buy his
				   jellie babies, anyway?"
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I think we may be on to something here.....
In article <2667@k.cc.purdue.edu> akf@k.cc.purdue.edu (Jay Hinkelman) writes:
> In article <4238@bsu-cs.UUCP> vamp@bsu-cs.UUCP (Michael G. Rothermel) writes:
> >In an episode like the Five Doctors, why doesnt' #5 remember everything as
> >happening four times before?
> >
> >Someone is going to say "but he was taken out of his timeline".  Well, this
> >is true, but being taken out of one's timeline is done all the time in the
> >Who universe.  Any of the companions, with the exception of Jamie & Zoe,
> >remember all of their adventures with the Doctor, even though they were
> >taken out of their timelines and then put back.
...
> remember, the Brigadier forgot what happened in the "Mawdryn" affair
> because he had a nervous breakdown shortly after his (1977) return to
> earth.
>
> Anyone who wants to debate this defintion, or to discuss some of its
> apparent results, please feel free to do so.  Actually, a point that
> I glossed over was the following: is their a distinction between
> a person's timeSTREAM and his timeLINE?
>
> Ooooooh, this is gonna be fun.
I've GOT IT!!!!

     The traumatization of the Brigadeer when he met himself is an
example of what happens when one has his time streams crossed...
typically. I venture a theory based on this evidence...

1) Crossing time streams is tramatic (look at Brig.)
2) The Doctor Has crossed his own time stream (The Two Doctors).
3) The Result is NOT traumatic.
4) The Doctor has been pulled out of past time streams, with the
result being 3.
Timelords are biologically different. To prevent this trauma, there
must be some kind of defense mechanism. This defense mechanism is what
prevents the trauma. Part of this mechanism involves the inability to
remember the past experience (earlier timestream vs. later (present)
timestream).
As for the difference of being pulled out of one's timestream and
crossing timesreams, I tend to think it different, otherwise in The
Three Doctors and The Five Doctors, the earlier regeneration would be
sure of his survival and return since there is the later regeneration
present.
Then again, it can just be a JNT inconsistancy.....
                                  John Langbein
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By far the most elegant theory for the Master was that he is/was an
insane 12th regeneration of the Doctor.  Of course, this was made impossible
a while ago, and even more recently, the STUPID, IDIOTIC, PURILE concept of
the Scrapyard came into being.
The Master is the Doctor theory hinged on the fact that the Master was
not conscious of his identity, but his subconscious was aware.  This is
the only workable explanation for the fact that the Master is always trying
to humiliate and kill the Doctor in long and involved ways, but can never
bring himself to do it directly.  He must always leave an out, and his
subconscious always remembers what "out" to leave.
The only other workable explanation is the true one -- bad melodrama.
But it explains so much -- and one can even say that they "were at the
academy together."   And such a terrible and unique self-hatred psychosis
it would have been.
On the other hand, I think this "The Monk/War Chief is the Master" stuff
is fairly silly.  There can be multiple evil Time Lords out there.  We know
that any similarity is just coincidence.  All we gain is a fairly mundane
explanation for the Master's vendetta.
--
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In article <Oct.11.12.38.40.1988.8027@elbereth.rutgers.edu>, cje@elbereth.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt) writes:
> There's simply no evidence linking the Master and the War Chief.  True, there's
> nothing explicitly disproving it, either, but then there's nothing disproving
> that the Master was the Monk or the Valeyard, either.
	The fact that it was stated, quite clearly, that the Valeyard was
the Doctor (a regeneration 'gone wrong', as it were), and the fact that the
Master is present, and gives no indication that he and the Valeyard are the
same person, leads me to disagree with your statement.  Add to thi the
fact that the Valeyard was working withing the sanctioned authority of the
Timelords (something the Master does not do by choice, "The Five Doctors"
being the exception) and I think you find a pretty strong case.
	The Monk seems to be more along the lines of the Master's style:
working outside the sanctioned limits of Timelord activity; the focus
on the Earth as a target; the total disregard for the laws of time.
However, I don't recall the Monk being obsessed with power as is the
Master.  I would say that the Master's ultimate goal is to rule the galaxy
(or universe or whatever).  If I recall correctly, the Monk was just out
to mold human history in the way he thought was best, with little
thought to personal gain.  Very different from the Master.
	I agree that there is no link between the War Chief and the Master,
though the psychology seems to be similar (plus he has a beard ;-)).  I
think he was just another Timelord gone astray.  Though the thought is
intriguing....
I'm off,
Dave
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In article <514@infmx.UUCP> davek@infmx.UUCP (David Kosenko) writes:
>
>	The fact that it was stated, quite clearly, that the Valeyard was
>the Doctor (a regeneration 'gone wrong', as it were), and the fact that the
The key here is *who* stated the Valeyard was the Doctor.  I believe the
master may have been lying about the link between the Doctor and the
Valeyard, or the writers may have been loopy.  Personally, a DW show
where the Doctor is a villian simply wouldn't be as much fun.  (It could
be pretty bizzare though.  Picture this: The evil Doctor, aka Valeyard,
travels through time helping bad guys.  The first episode could be
a story where the Valeyard travels back to the early 70's and helps
his 'ol buddy Pol-Pot. (sp?)  Hideous, isn't it.)


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In article <Oct.11.12.38.40.1988.8027@elbereth.rutgers.edu> cje@elbereth.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt) writes:
>
>There's simply no evidence linking the Master and the War Chief.  True, there's
>nothing explicitly disproving it, either,
OK, that part I can grok.

>but then there's nothing disproving
>that the Master was the Monk or the Valeyard, either.
The monk I can't comment on (insufficient data).
But, the Scrapyard is specifically referred to as a composite
created from the DOCTOR'S bioprint with what amounts to
a frontal lobotomy.
And, since it was the Master who pointed this out, I would tend
to beleive that the Backyard is NOT the Master.
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                     scrambles the brain cells a bit.
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Sez me:
=> There's simply no evidence linking the Master and the War Chief.  True,
=> there's nothing explicitly disproving it, either, but then there's nothing
=> disproving that the Master was the Monk or the Valeyard, either.
Sez David Kosenko:
> 	The fact that it was stated, quite clearly, that the Valeyard was
> the Doctor (a regeneration 'gone wrong', as it were), and the fact that the
> Master is present, and gives no indication that he and the Valeyard are the
> same person, leads me to disagree with your statement.
Yes, but who stated it?  The Master, who has been known to lie on occasion.
I'm not seriously proposing either Master = Valeyard or Doctor <> Valeyard.
I'm just pointing out the nature of a lack of evidence for someone else's
claim.
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This according to the latest issue of DWB, an independent Doctor Who
magazine out of Adequate Britain, (Number 58, September 88) which has just
reached the states.  Bad bad news, guys.
John Nathan Turner is remaining next season as producer.
I quote: "John Nathan-Turner, ...has been confirmed by the BBC as his
own successor and will oversee production of season 26 of DOCTOR WHO."

I dunno 'bout anayone else, but I'm one pissed puppy.
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			     DR. WHO DRINKING GAME
1)  Sip whenever the TARDIS goes wrong.
2)  Sip whenever an expendable character is expended.
3)  Sip whenever whenever a companion screams "Doctor!" Chug if it turns out
    to be no big deal.
4)  Sip whenever a companion twists an ankle.
5)  Drink the entire length of gratuitous shots of women or of Jamie's legs.
6)  Sip whenever a Dalek says "Ex-ter-mi-nate!"  Chug if they repeat.
7)  Sip when they exterminate.
8)  Sip whenever a Dalek or Cyber is destroyed on screen.
9)  Sip when the alien monster is immune to bullets.
10)  Chug on any exploding ships.
11)  Sip whenever Hartnell loses his temper, Troughton pulls out the recorder,
     Pertwee creates a new gadget, Tom Baker's scarf gets tangled, or someone
     makes a comment about Colin Baker's clothes.
12)  Sip whenever Leela offers to kill someone.
13)  Chug whenever the idealist survives at the end.
14)  Sip whenever the Doctor gets preachy at the end.
15)  Chug whenever someone says "Doctor Who?".
16)  Sip whenever they slip and write "who" into the script.
17)  Sip whenever the Master announces intentions to kill the doctor.
18)  Sip on "Jellybabies?"
19)  Sip whenever the Brigadier answers the phone "Lethbridge-Stewart!"
20)  Chug whenever they reverse the polarity of the neutron flow.
21)  Sip whenever the Brigadier gets confused about time travel.
22)  Sip whenever anyone notices the size of the TARDIS.
23)  Sip whenever the major villain gets overconfident.
24)  Sip if you can see the cliffhanger between episodes in a movie format.
25)  Chug whenever the film gets reversed to illustrate some special effect.
26)  Sip if you spot the strings.
27)  Sip on bad special effects.
28)  Sip whenever K-9 gets cannibalized.
29)  Sip whenever K-9 produces a new death ray.
30)  Sip whenever the person who looks like it might be a new companion isn't.
31)  Sip whenever they offer an explanation to a historical mystery.
32)  Sip whenever you only find eight people in the huge city.
33)  Sip whenever Harry does something stupid.
34)  Sip whenever anyone gets possessed.
35)  Sip whenever a compnanion touches after the Doctor says, "Don't Touch."
36)  Chug whenever a complete stranger sacrifices themself for the Doctor.
37)  Sip whenever the Doctor or a companion is about to be executed or
     sacrificed.
38)  Sip whenever the sonic screwdriver is used.
39)  Sip whenever a companion outsmarts the Doctor.
40)  Sip whenever a crowd does a Heil routine.
41)  Sip at every doublecross.
42)  Sip whenever K-9 says something obvious.
43)  Sip whenever Susan calls the Doctor "Grandfather."
44)  Sip whenever you see something non-Terran written in English.
45)  Sip whenever a companion screams.
46)  Sip whenever Tom Baker gets knocked out.
47)  Sip whenever Tom Baker's eyes bulge.
48)  Sip whenever the Doctor says "We must be on Earth."
49)  Sip whenever the Doctor leaves the TARDIS to find out what year it is
	or where they are so he can correct the coordinates.
50)  Sip whenever the viewscreen opens or closes.

>From wucfua!wucs1!uunet!tank!oddjob!uwvax!rutgers!bellcore!faline!thumper!ulysses!terminus!nyssa Thu Oct 20 00:02:48 CDT 1988
Better known as, "JNT quits and comes back, take four."
In article <17092@vax5.CCS.CORNELL.EDU> ut6y@vax5.ccs.cornell.edu (Uncle Mikey (Michael Scott Shappe)) writes:
>John Nathan Turner is remaining next season as producer.
>I quote: "John Nathan-Turner, ...has been confirmed by the BBC as his
>own successor and will oversee production of season 26 of DOCTOR WHO."
While I predicted when JNT resigned, that he would "re-sign" I still
have some doubts.  I am having one of my UK contacts check on the
validity of the above.
My last report, about a month ago, was that several people didn't pan
out, and that they were looking at some people who have been with the
show in the past.
>I dunno 'bout anayone else, but I'm one pissed puppy.
Understandably.  JNT, while not the epitomy of evil that some people
suggest that he is (Adric, who was bloody awful, was the epitomy of
evil...), is certainly stale in the job.  Watching Sylvester in
Rememberance of the Daleks got me thinking that that could just as
easily have been Peter Davison saying those lines, and that the
Doctor's character really hasn't grown that much.  Sad, really.
--
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So far I have heard no consideration of the K'anpo/Cho-Je regeneration. To
refresh everyone's memories, K'anpo had made Cho-Je as a "projection" of
himself, so that when K'anpo actually regenerated, he simply assumed Cho-
Je's body (P/Spi).
Is there a parallel here to the Watcher?  In both cases, an entity that is
a precursor to the new regeneration exists.  The Watcher exists of its own
accord, of course, and Cho-Je does not, though this is of course because the
Doctor does not have much control over his regenerations.
There may also be a connection here with the regeneration of Romana. If
K'anpo could choose his next body, then why not Romana?  She, of course,
tried on several, and it is reasonable to assume that K'anpo could have done
the same.  Thus criticism of this scene as a total break with tradition (i.e
Ian Levine in "The Unfolding Text") is not necessarily justified.
Perhaps an ideal regeneration for a Time Lord is a careful preparation of a
new body, designed to maximize stability--perhaps helping to avoid the
deterioration that sometimes comes with later regenerations.
Incidentally, I think this discussion of "deterioration" after regeneration
is meaningless.  JN-T is the cause of the Doctor's deterioration, NOT some
kind of cruel fate.  Same goes for the Master; and as for Borusa, he was fine
until 5D.
Gordon Hogenson @ Harvey Mudd
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Season 20--JN-T best?  More like his worst.  Season 18 was his best, for one
reason: Tom Baker & Lalla Ward  (well, maybe Chris Bidmead, too). And "State
of Decay" is terribly underrated--it doesn't work for everyone, but when it
does, it works terribly well.
Gordon Hogenson @ Harvey Mudd
--well, okay, not his worst.  I did see season 23... Terror of the Vervoids
if enough to drag that whole season into the sewer, despite the Valeyard
as a redeeming feature.  Melanie is the most revolting creature
ever shown on Dr. Who--I know it's rude to say such a horrible thing, but
she makes me cringe more than "Underworld" and "The War Machines" combined.
I was actually glad by VCR messed up during Terror of the Vervoids.  It rec-
orded a STAR TREK: TNG that wasn't half bad.
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In article <7192@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU>, ins_ajpo@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Milamber) writes:
> >reversals/climaxes/running gags, denouement/resolution.  Chopping it up
> >into episodes makes it harder to feel the characters in the latter
> >episodes.  In movie format, the cliffhangers come off as act-climaxes,
> >something most TV fails to produce anymore (without inserting commercials,
> >that is).
I agree, although there are so many follow-ups within follow-ups here
that I don't know who I agree with.
>   The arguements against the movies are manifold:
> 1) oftentimes, material is missing (e.g., "The Three Doctors", "The Invasion
>    of Time", "The Ribos Operation",...), which is arguement enough.
probably true, but how often, and is it necessary material, orjust a
recap from the last episode?
> 3) They were (except for "The Five Doctors" and "Silver Nemesis") originally
>    broadcast in episode form.
Perhaps this is because if they showed a whole movie every week, a
season would only last a few weeks.  The first way is not always the
best way!
> 4) Most people can't sit still long enough to watch an entire movie (my upper
>    limit is 2 episodes...)
I can't always set aside the same time every day to watch, I prefer
getting it all in one sitting, besides it helps with contunity.
> 6) If we didn't have movies, we'd all be able to see the entirety of "Planet
>    of the Daleks" and "Invasion of the Dinosaurs" [in a letter to Lionhart,
>    my friend found out that the reason they cut certain episodes from the
>    episode package is because "...if the stations which received episodes
>    were to get those ('Planet of the Daleks', ep 6, and 'Invasion', pt 1),
>    then there would be a disparity between the number of episodes received
>    by different stations receiving the same package in different formats..."]
This seems like an argument for my side.
> We'll defend our JN-T reviews at a later date...no more of this quibbling
> which I've been doing...be warned... >:-)
Quibbling about JN-T reviews or episodes vs. movies?
I must admit that I haven't seen many shows in episode form (mostly for
the reason that I dislike them).  By the time I really get into the
characters and plot, the episode is nearly over.  It is too short a dose
of Dr Who for one sitting.
                         Bill Bretschneider  (lafcol!bretschw)
"Chemists do it periodically on the table."