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  1. Kerd vs Coco
  2. R1
  3.  
  4. Kerd
  5.  
  6. Hank vs Six
  7. * Hank's strength/durability > Six's strength/durability
  8. * Six is slow
  9. * Hank is fast
  10. * Hank clearly wins due to having a clear speed/strength advantage which is both relevant in melees or shootouts.
  11.  
  12. Sasuke vs. Aoshi
  13. * Sasuke is fast
  14. * Sasuke is strong
  15. * Sasuke leverages above two to beat Aoshi
  16.  
  17. Alfa vs. Obould
  18. * Alfa fast, Obolud slow
  19. * Obould has no piercing resistance
  20. * Alfa slashes and wins.
  21.  
  22.  
  23. Judge's Notes: Solid by Kerd. Establishes stats and argues how they translate to victory.
  24.  
  25. Coco
  26. Hank vs Six
  27. * Six fast
  28. * Six skilled
  29. * Hank squishy
  30. * Hank fights like a jabroni
  31. * Hank is objectively slow
  32. * Hank's weapons lack feats
  33. * Hank's physical stats are bad
  34.  
  35. Aoshi vs Sasuke
  36. * Aoshi fast
  37. * Aoshi skilled
  38. * Aoshi strong
  39. * Aoshi wins due to the above stats being greater than his opponent.
  40.  
  41. Obould vs Alfa
  42. * Obould stronk
  43. * Obould fast
  44. * Obould durable
  45.  
  46. Judge's Notes: Good job on the flow chart by the way. I think Coco has certainly improved a great deal in how he argues and he certainly pulls a lead. He makes a good argument for Hank being genuinely slow, he makes a good case for how Sasuke is actively slow.
  47.  
  48. R2
  49. Kerd
  50.  
  51. Hank vs Six
  52. * Six is also squishy
  53. * Hank's sword cuts through metal that is thicc
  54. * Hank being slow isn't true, he only is fast when needed.
  55. * Six is slow
  56.  
  57. Sasuke vs. Aoshi
  58. * Aoshi slow
  59. * Aoshi weak
  60. * Aoshi's skill does not help him against a physical discrepancy
  61. * Fireballs kill his opponent
  62.  
  63. Alfa vs. Obould:
  64. * Drizzt scaling bad
  65. * Alfa fast
  66. * Alfa's offense > his opponent's durability
  67.  
  68. Judge's Notes: A few things I don't agree upon. First, I don't think the screenshot depicting Tricky's mask being thick really does so. It doesn't look that way for sure. Second, he doesn't really counter the anti-feat of Hank being slow against Jesus pulling the gun on him. And lastly, I think the scaling is fine as is. I don't really quite connect how Coco's assumption of a wererat being human-speed is wrong in any capacity.
  69.  
  70. Coco
  71. Hank vs Six
  72. * Six's bullet timing feat is as presented
  73. * Hank was aim-blocking, not actually bullet timing
  74. * Hank has basically zero agency while Six always abuses his speed
  75. * Hank's sword sucks
  76.  
  77. Sasuke vs. Aoshi
  78. * Sasuke is just slow in general
  79. * Sasuke is weak overall
  80.  
  81. Obould vs. Alfa
  82. * The scaling is solid
  83. * Obould has great piercing durability
  84. * Obould has great offense.
  85.  
  86. Judge's Notes: I think Coco does well to defend the fact that the wererat scaling is fair and valid. He does a few other things right imo which is to point out Sasuke's lack of reaction speeds, the fact that Six's bullet timing feat is as presented, and that Hank isn't as fast as Kerd is depicting nor does he actually seem to actively abuse his speed that much.
  87.  
  88. R3
  89. Kerd
  90.  
  91. Hank vs Six
  92. * Hank cannot be ganked
  93. * Hank would use his weapons efficiently
  94. * Hank is fast in combat. Six has speed anti-feats too.
  95. * Fuck your flowchart coco
  96.  
  97. Sasuke vs Aoshi
  98. * Sasuke fast
  99. * Sasuke beats Aoshi physically
  100. * Sasuke has many win cons
  101.  
  102. Alfa vs. Obould
  103. * Wererat doesn't have that reactions
  104. * Alfa hits hard
  105.  
  106. Judge's Notes: Eh. I am not really convinced on that being an instance of super senses. Hank for instance could have heard the man coming. I also think that the lack of solid reaction feats being given to Sasuke is a hurting point for Kerd as well. Lastly, I don't think fast = strong. This is not a consistent thing portrayed in fiction, and had Kerd been able to portray this coorelation, I think that would have made his case far stronger.
  107.  
  108. Coco
  109. Hank vs Six
  110. * Hank's senses aren't good
  111. * Hank's melee sucks
  112. * Six's bullet timing is ironclad
  113. * Hank's reaction sucks.
  114.  
  115. Aoshi vs Sasuke
  116. * Sasuke is slow
  117. * Sasuke has a reach disadvantage
  118. * **My opponent clearly knows this, because after being called out, he still refuses to give an actual number for Sasuke or Naruto’s reactions. They’re clearly slow as balls and unquantified precognition does literally zero to prevent this.**
  119. * Sasuke has no skill.
  120.  
  121. Alfa vs. Obould
  122. * Obould fast
  123. * Obould tough
  124. * Obould does a lot of damage.
  125.  
  126. Judge's Notes: I think the best thing coco does is him calling out Kerd's unwillingness to provide a solid number for his reaction times. This solidly swings the match into his favor imo. Other than that, this is criticism for both contestants, but it felt like R3 really just had a lot of repeated points where people simply talked past each other.
  127.  
  128. Results: Coco wins all 3. I think he successfully dismantled Sasuke as a viable character fire and foremost. The second match which I think he wins absolutely is Hank whom he manages to tear apart as being a character without much good speed to him (arguably to the point of being actively slow). Lastly, while I think Coco never successfully argues Alfa to be actively bad as a character, I give the edge to him just marginally.
  129.  
  130. Coco wins 3-0.
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