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  514.  
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  533.  
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  546.  
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  560.  
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  584.  
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  586.  
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  599.  
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  613.  
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  623.  
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  650.  
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  652. <span class="Subs" ID="Sub11" style="display:block">
  653. <a class="menu" href="https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/27/casino-amp-cardroom-poker/">Casino &amp; Cardroom Poker</a>
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  658. <a class="menu" href="https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/8/tournament-poker-strategy/">Tournament Strategy</a>
  659. </span>
  660.  
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  664.  
  665. border=0>Internet Poker</a><a href='https://www.twoplustwo.com/index.php' class="heading"></a></span>
  666. <span class="Subs" ID="Sub12" style="display:block">
  667. <a class="menu" href="https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/">Internet Poker</a>
  668. <a class="menu" href="https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/228/nj-partypoker-com/">&nbsp;NJ Party Poker</a>
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  1167. I have not had an account here up till now because I rarely visit the forum and when I do I only read so some of you might question my credibility but I hope that many players who have been a victim of the same scam will vouch for me.<br />
  1168. <br />
  1169. Some months ago a scandal happened on Betfair poker that was published on one of the poker forums and I think the international poker community should know what is going on, that is why I will try to translate what it is all about. <br />
  1170. Many players were playing Twisters on Betfair at the time, beating the games on the 50-100 stake. One day, out of the blue everyone's account got locked. They could still log-in to Betfair, however playing real money games in poker were suspended for them.<br />
  1171. When they asked Betfair customer support what is happening, after some time the reply we all got was: &quot;Poker account shall remain closed as per business decision&quot;. There was nothing else to it whatsoever. Each player got the exact same reasoning. Everyone could withdraw their funds but they did not pay out any VPPs and promos. Many people had the same 'business decision' ban on Coral before they started playing Betfair.<br />
  1172. Every player used only PokerTracker 4 with CoffeeHuds and a table arranger called StackAndTile. These softwares are not prohibited on any sites as far as I know. They know something was up, so they started digging for more information from other players and affiliates.<br />
  1173. <br />
  1174. After a while it turned out that a lot of players were blocked with the same reasoning except a handful of one who can still play on the site.<br />
  1175. Allegedly, all of these players are under the same affiliate now on Betfair and used to be on Coral before they cut all of their promotions. We also suspect that these players are staked by the same individual or definitely sharing prizepools with each other and communicating in game because:<br />
  1176. They always sit €100 twisters in pairs. They just register 6-8 games together and wait for the fish. When a regular came, they did the same. There wasn't a time when 3 of them were online and playing, every time only 2 of them played. When only one of them was online and a regular started playing who was not in their 'cartel' then one of their other players suddenly appeared. Also I would like to note that it almost never happened that a player from their cartel played alone. They always played in pairs 95% of the time. They split up the hours between each other and 2 of them block 6-8 tables 24/7. <br />
  1177. I do think that this behaviour is considered colluding especially in spin and go games where the lobbies should be anonymous. Also this strategy only works if the 3rd player the get is a fish, if it is a reg they will be losing - not to mention that these players are not skilled players, they play a tight ABC poker with heaps of exploitable leaks.<br />
  1178. <br />
  1179. One of the players on the poker forum mentioned that these people asked for €5000 from him per month if he wanted to play without being banned due to business decision.<br />
  1180. <br />
  1181. They contacted Betfair and this affiliate who basically controls everything on iPoker with their accusations and their response was:<br />
  1182. &quot;All of the players who have been banned recently used GTO solvers and they have evidence. He said: &quot;Our investigations indicated that these people did not make any mistakes ever in thousands of games&quot; and then added: &quot;Many of these players were banned on PokerStars at the end of last year for the same reason. Why don't they show me a screenshot of their PokerStars account if they are legit?&quot;<br />
  1183. <br />
  1184. They also asked him about the suspected cartel members who kill the fish on the network: &quot;These people can play because they are breakeven/small winners and they are good for the poker ecology on the site.&quot;<br />
  1185. <br />
  1186. One of the victims wrote up some questions on the forum which definitely raise some concerns:<br />
  1187. <br />
  1188. - Some of the players got banned after 4-5 days, playing only a couple hundreds of games. How can you run their hands in a GTO solver in that period of time? We know that on other sites it takes weeks, possibly months, they also ask for a video, and more information. On Betfair nobody had a chance to prove themselves.<br />
  1189. - Why business decision is the reasoning of the ban and not used of prohibited tools?<br />
  1190. - How would they know that these players were barred from PokerStars if they cannot provide any of these information to third party?<br />
  1191. - If they had evidence for using solvers why nobody got a network ban and funds confiscated?<br />
  1192. <br />
  1193. What they suspect is:<br />
  1194. - These cartel members who are under the same affiliate rake possibly &gt;€200.000 per month and the affiliate receives quite a big sum of this money. (Even more if he gets some % of the players' profit)<br />
  1195. - This affiliate does everything to have every other regular banned from the site because if he did not then his players system would collapse, they would be beaten by any 30s spin reg from Stars and it would kill his business and he would lose this 10-30K euros affiliate cut.<br />
  1196. - He used to work hand in hand with the management at Coral, and now with Betfair as well. The players and some of the affiliates said that every time a new reg appears on the site, this affiliate makes up a crazy story about the new player using some prohibited tool, runs to the management and tells them if they don't ban him, all of his players would leave the site resulting in a loss of hundreds of thousands of dollars for Betfair/Coral too.<br />
  1197. - Saying that every player got banned because of using solvers is just a good alibi for him, so he can keep running his fraud with the cartel.<br />
  1198. <br />
  1199. Cartel members' current screennames are:<br />
  1200. shmoneymurrda<br />
  1201. Bluf41kk<br />
  1202. B1gspender<br />
  1203. SpinTilYouWin<br />
  1204. Unexpotential<br />
  1205. LETSGOWOLVES<br />
  1206. SaltCentral<br />
  1207. ACHT8ACHTUNG<br />
  1208. uCANTfoldToMe<br />
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  1210. Old Coral screennames are:<br />
  1211. TheVardyParty<br />
  1212. llermaly12<br />
  1213. KingStaino<br />
  1214. skrrr1<br />
  1215. TricoTime<br />
  1216. (It is easy to figure it out, these are and were the highest raker players and they never got banned)<br />
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  1218. Back in the days on Coral, some of the players were confronted on Skype by an individual asking for their real names and PokerStars screenname and if they did not tell him he would have him banned which has happened eventually. These messages were deleted right after he sent them.<br />
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  1220. Allegedly, this affiliate is called Andy Greekfish, a well-known affiliate for iPoker.<br />
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  1222. It would be the easiest thing to just simply deny all of these accusations, but it cannot be a coincidence if the same thing happens many times.<br />
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  1224. It would be nice if they could provide some explanation regarding this issue other than the usual non-sense that all of these players were bots which are obviously not true. When the same thing happens to a dozens of people, there has to be some truth to this story.
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  1742. I stopped playing Twisters couple months ago and switched to cashgame ( i still play on ipoker tho and this guy Andy is a powerful guy, I dont want ban )<br />
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  1744. The reason is above. I crushed 20 euros Twisters (20k+ games), ran good so started playing 50 euros.<br />
  1745. Noticed the same thing, people playing in pairs, 2 people playing and sitting in all the lobbys. Had to wait for 6 tables on 20 twisters, but always getting unlimited tables with 2 regs sitting the same table on 50? lol<br />
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  1929. Originally Posted by <strong>Slank79</strong>
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  1934. You think major companies close accounts based on affiliates say so - you can’t be new to the industry. <br />
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  1951. <div style="font-style:italic">It's great that Ipoker is banning them. I have a nice list of active ones still tho.</div>
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  1956. </div>It is not the head of the company who close these accounts down. It is their poker team that is a seperate division. Most of the time regular support does not even know about anything.<br />
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  1958. The fact that both of you totally ignored the main point of the issue - cartel members playing together, colluding and having others banned - implies that you might even be in the cartel yourselves. I would not be surprised if &quot;TheTwisterBots&quot; is &quot;TheVardyParty&quot; aka &quot;SpinTilYouWin&quot; himself or am I wrong? <img src="https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" /><br />
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  1960. Everyone of you out there can see this scam for yourself. If you are able to beat 15s spin and goes on PokerStars, you will do just fine here. Open an account on betfair, start playing 50-100 euro twisters, 200-300 games a day for a week. I would bet any money that you will be banned.
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  2132. Spingrinder78:<br />
  2133. yeah but it is expected.<br />
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  2135. This scam has been going on for a year, you expect someone makes off 20-30k eur a month ( I think its huge understatement, probably its more like 50k eur a month) you should also expect you are going to get massive counter marketing campaign against your claims. (especially if it gets more publicity)<br />
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  2137. No scam goes on for this long without having multiple people on high levels involved in it. You bet they will protect this black op of theirs.<br />
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  2140. Its crazy 5 of my 6 affil pal knows about it for long long time and nothing happens. Obviously other affils who are not in this system are cheated for thousands a month also, as none of their players can play on 50 twisters+ and make huge rake a month<br />
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  2142. This scandal didnt get any light shined on it yet. The only strategy that can work in this kind of scenarios is to make it as public as possible. Theres a point of publicity when it is massively -EV for the whole ipoker so they must do something about it (even if that means they disappear for couple months or only doing it on 100 or even a small thing)<br />
  2143. If you know people who experienced the same things here ask them to come to the topic and write.
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  2318. <strong>Re: Suspected fraud at Betfair and Coral Poker</strong>
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  2327. Same thing happened to me. I tried out three iPoker skins and my account got suspended for the same reason on every skin: management decision.<br />
  2328. Once I didn't receive any emails, they just gave my money back, support didn't say anything at all. These guys have been winning the weekly rakeraces for years,<br />
  2329. if some players started to compete with them they all suspiciously disappeared by the end of the race. If I was leading the weekly twister race, these guys made 30-40K points at night<br />
  2330. from like 4-5 am to 9am when there was absolutely no action. This whole thing stinks and extremely suspicious. I'm pretty certain that the management is in this too
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  2495. <strong>Re: Suspected fraud at Betfair and Coral Poker</strong>
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  2667. <strong>Re: Suspected fraud at Betfair and Coral Poker</strong>
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  3033. Originally Posted by <strong>MilkMan</strong>
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  3036. <div style="font-style:italic">The biggest iPoker skins are UK based bookmakers. If these claims are provably true I have no doubt the UKGC would be very interested in hearing about them.</div>
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  3213. This is spot on. I am surprised that we have had to wait this long for someone to post this. I have been banned as well from Betfair so as 5-6 other regular who I know personally (and a lot of other ones who I spoke to or heard about their cases). I played twister on 50-100. Altough I was an OK reg at that time I was far away from perfect gto lol. This justification is just nonsense. Everyone has been banned because we were unwanted danger to these players who by the way made (and I assume make nowadays too) a **** load of money without real concurenncy.<br />
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  3215. Whenever I wanted to play either at night or in the early morning I always ran into these two scumbags (llermaly12 and TheVardyParty). If one of them was not online and registering - usually TheVardyParty - some minutes later his friend magically appeared and one could only play against those two. Kingstaino and his buddies played daytime and in the evening. Three of them NEVER played at the same time. If a new regular started playing, who was not one of them, they made sure that he would be banned in some days or weeks at most with some random reasons. Yes, I have heard of more cases, where players were banned after some days. It must be serious then... Usually the reason was business decision, sometimes prohibited use of software. The cartel members have been cashing in thousands of rakeback week by week, everyone else are removed from the network after some time. Oh yeah, and I have never been banned on PokerStars or anywhere else, neither have any of my friends lol.<br />
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  3741. Seems more suspicious that majority of comments are from new 2+2 accounts signed up after this thread was made. <br />
  3742. <br />
  3743. Spingrinder78, Folsha, Vidja and Twista all seem to write the same, the grammar is the same and using brackets - wouldn’t be surprised if 2+2 block you based on same PC/IP address.<br />
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  3745. As mentioned previously, you’ve obviously been blocked on ipoker rooms for a good reason and trying to fight back.<br />
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  4108. Does anyone have a screenshot of the deleted posts? You should definitely make a legal claim. These ppl are criminals, stealing other people's money. Period.<br />
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  4110. Don't give up the good fight and don't let these a$$holes keep doing this sh*t.<br />
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  4112. I'd suggest getting in touch w/ Joingram1 (<a rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/Joeingram1" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/Joeingram1</a>), he loves investigating these kinds of cheatings.<br />
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  4468. Originally Posted by <strong>Slank79</strong>
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  4471. <div style="font-style:italic">Seems more suspicious that majority of comments are from new 2+2 accounts signed up after this thread was made. <br />
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  4473. Spingrinder78, Folsha, Vidja and Twista all seem to write the same, the grammar is the same and using brackets - wouldn’t be surprised if 2+2 block you based on same PC/IP address.<br />
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  4475. As mentioned previously, you’ve obviously been blocked on ipoker rooms for a good reason and trying to fight back.<br />
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  4482. </div>Nice speculation.Maybe You failed...
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  5029. <strong>Re: Suspected fraud at Betfair and Coral Poker</strong>
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  5038. Interesting, im not a troll wrote reasonable things, and it got deleted.<br />
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  5043. - didnt want to do anything about it until the day before yesterday<br />
  5044. - got random skype chats from Andy Greekfish and someone else, they threatened him to take off the post as they mistakenly thought he made the thread<br />
  5045. - got pissed of and said he will leak infos in 48 hours<br />
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  5055. I already heard couple people making deal with the cartel, they let them play 50s and 100s for not speaking out on open forums.<br />
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  5057. **** this is maybe way bigger stuff than I ever imagined.
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