19:28 - Neo: lets play lol together nigor
19:28 - Razor Shultz: in a game with karma and kaffe
Neo is now Away.
Neo is now Online.
21:53 - Razor Shultz: yfw
21:53 - Razor Shultz: 33 minutes in, doom is level 15
21:54 - Razor Shultz: i dont even know if i've ever reached level 25
21:55 - Neo: dont care
21:55 - Neo: i dont play dota
21:55 - Razor Shultz: well you should
21:58 - Neo: what's the difference
21:58 - Neo: not going to throw away my time invested in LoL
21:58 - Razor Shultz: you haven't invested anything else but time
21:58 - Razor Shultz: so you got nothing to lose
21:58 - Razor Shultz: we've all got way more time (and money) than you have on LoL
21:59 - Razor Shultz: and playing dota makes you better at it
21:59 - Neo: i could be wasting time playing an identical game
21:59 - Neo: or farming IP
21:59 - Razor Shultz: dota 2 is a world of difference
21:59 - Neo: oh boy an arbitrary mechanic called denying and 2 extra pathways in the jungle
21:59 - Razor Shultz: no
22:00 - Razor Shultz: the champs actually have different skills
22:00 - Razor Shultz: unlike q to stun, w to shield, e to dash, and r to do damage
22:00 - Razor Shultz: and there's the courier
22:00 - Razor Shultz: the day/night cycle
22:00 - Neo: you mean no skillshots and the same skills that exist in lol only shuffled around?
22:00 - Razor Shultz: elevation
22:00 - Razor Shultz: are you fucking kidding me
22:00 - Razor Shultz: ok for one thing
22:00 - Razor Shultz: do you know dota came out first
22:01 - Razor Shultz: in 2004
22:01 - Razor Shultz: 2003 even
22:01 - Neo: of course i know that
22:01 - Razor Shultz: and that was the warcraft mod
22:01 - Neo: i dont even know what you're saying now
22:01 - Razor Shultz: you said they were the same skills shuffled around
22:01 - Razor Shultz: which is completely retarded
22:01 - Razor Shultz: and >no skillshots
22:01 - Razor Shultz: there are skillshots that go across the lane, or the map
22:01 - Neo: they are the same skills shuffled around
22:01 - Razor Shultz: tornadoes, poison sprays
22:01 - Razor Shultz: no, they really aren't
22:02 - Neo: so im not really gonna find anythign fresh in dota
22:02 - Razor Shultz: you're being really stupid
22:02 - Razor Shultz: it is different, and you can't argue that
22:02 - Razor Shultz: it IS a WORLD of difference
22:02 - Razor Shultz: there are champs with 16 skills
22:02 - Neo: it's the same fucking game, some slight mechanical differences aren't gonna change that
22:03 - Razor Shultz: no
22:03 - Razor Shultz: it isn't
22:03 - Razor Shultz: at all
22:03 - Razor Shultz: and they aren't slight
22:03 - Neo: yeah, in no way do you push the lanes and kill their base
22:03 - Neo: you do totally different things like creep stacking
22:05 - Neo: dota loses to LoL as far as game dynamic is concerned
22:05 - Razor Shultz: no
22:05 - Razor Shultz: it doesn't
22:06 - Neo: dota wastes your time with stupid shit like that
22:06 - Razor Shultz: you don't even know what you just said
22:06 - Neo: GO DENY THE TOWER
22:06 - Neo: GO STACK THE CREEPS
22:06 - Razor Shultz: yeah, they make the game more complicated and interesting, and give you an advantage
22:06 - Razor Shultz: or help you stop the enemy
22:06 - Razor Shultz: league owes so much to dota
22:06 - Razor Shultz: nautilus is based off of tidehunter, and he's the most recent champ
22:06 - Razor Shultz: he has gauntlet's hookshot from HoN
22:06 - Neo: as i said those are nothing but arbitrary mechanics
22:07 - Razor Shultz: no
22:07 - Razor Shultz: they aren;'t
22:07 - Razor Shultz: they're significant
22:07 - Razor Shultz: and meaningful
22:07 - Neo: they dont mean at all in the context of a moba game
22:07 - Razor Shultz: and gamechanging often
22:07 - Neo: which is mainly map control and awareness
22:07 - Razor Shultz: dota invented mobas
22:07 - Razor Shultz: so yes it does
22:07 - Neo: and of course team setup
22:07 - Razor Shultz: dota is the authority here
22:07 - Neo: which is more important in LoL than in dota
22:07 - Razor Shultz: no it isn;'t
22:07 - Razor Shultz: because all the champs are the same
22:07 - Neo: and you cant contradict me on that
22:07 - Razor Shultz: yes i can
22:07 - Razor Shultz: because all the LoL champs
22:07 - Razor Shultz: are the same
22:08 - Razor Shultz: when do you EVER see trilanes in LoL?
22:08 - Razor Shultz: never
22:08 - Neo: WOAH. that would mean
22:08 - Neo: LoL is balanced
22:08 - Neo: pfft
22:08 - Razor Shultz: no
22:08 - Razor Shultz: it doesn't imply that at all
22:08 - Razor Shultz: and LoL is balanced because there is no difficulty
22:08 - Razor Shultz: or variation
22:08 - Razor Shultz: or anything interesting
22:08 - Razor Shultz: and no it isn't balanced
22:08 - Neo: even my friend who's into hardcore dota says team setups are more important in LoL
22:08 - Razor Shultz: he's wrong
22:09 - Razor Shultz: and hasn't ever played dotas
22:09 - Razor Shultz: so don't give me that shit
22:09 - Neo: he even places LoL above HoN
22:09 - Razor Shultz: NO ONE who played dota would say that
22:09 - Razor Shultz: HoN is shit
22:09 - Neo: and yet he did
22:09 - Razor Shultz: he's bad then
22:09 - Razor Shultz: or stupid
22:09 - Razor Shultz: or both
22:09 - Neo: he said LoL is more team-comp oriented
22:09 - Razor Shultz: probably both
22:09 - Razor Shultz: no
22:09 - Neo: than dota is
22:09 - Razor Shultz: it isn;t
22:09 - Razor Shultz: have you ever played dota?
22:09 - Neo: dota being just build your team around the carry shit
22:09 - Neo: yeah i did
22:09 - Razor Shultz: not necessarily
22:10 - Razor Shultz: you might your team around the initiator
22:10 - Razor Shultz: or to get a push comp and avoid fighting
22:10 - Razor Shultz: or even to hard counter the enemies
22:10 - Neo: wow you mean
22:10 - Razor Shultz: you don't even know anything about LoL
22:10 - Neo: just liek LoL?
22:10 - Razor Shultz: LoL's meta never changes
22:10 - Razor Shultz: 1 jungler, AD carry + support bot
22:10 - Razor Shultz: AP mid
22:10 - Razor Shultz: that has NEVER changed
22:10 - Neo: except LoL's team management is a lot more important
22:11 - Razor Shultz: you don't even know shit about the games you DO play
22:11 - Neo: and champs are a lot more relevant in LoL?
22:11 - Razor Shultz: and kaffe said you weren't bad anymore
22:11 - Razor Shultz: wow
22:11 - Neo: where in dota only one hero does everything?
22:11 - Razor Shultz: not at all
22:11 - Neo: yeah sure not at all
22:12 - Razor Shultz: you dor ealise
22:12 - Neo: i havent seen one guy winning the game all by himself
22:12 - Razor Shultz: do realise
22:12 - Razor Shultz: that carries are useless until they hit carry mode
22:12 - Razor Shultz: they need supporting a lot
22:12 - Razor Shultz: and to farm a lot, and to gank
22:12 - Razor Shultz: you need to play LoL
22:12 - Razor Shultz: you clearly don't know shit about it
22:12 - Razor Shultz: or dota for that matter
22:13 - Neo: holy shit trilanes!
22:13 - Neo: so much more complex!
22:13 - Neo: carry the carry!
22:13 - Neo: that's why he's called carry
22:13 - Razor Shultz: or quad lanes sometimes
22:13 - Neo: HYUK HYUK HYUK
22:14 - Razor Shultz: sometimes you dont have a carry
22:14 - Razor Shultz: at all
22:14 - Razor Shultz: maybe when you can play LoL you'll wisen up
22:14 - Razor Shultz: you'd do better if you actually tried to understand the gaems you play
22:14 - Neo: so fucking mad
22:15 - Razor Shultz: moar liek
22:15 - Razor Shultz: so true
22:15 - Neo: not hard at all to rile up you dota-parvenu types
22:15 - Razor Shultz: well excuse me if an ignorant LoL babby is being a moron
22:16 - Neo: i can accept as fact anything my friend says about dota, because unlike you he was playing it since the first time it was released
22:16 - Neo: snd has played every similar game under the sun
22:16 - Razor Shultz: karma played dota since release
22:16 - Neo: you're just a mad "IM SO COOL now babby
22:16 - Razor Shultz: mojomaan has too
22:16 - Razor Shultz: no 'm not
22:16 - Razor Shultz: i did the right thing
22:16 - Razor Shultz: and progressed to better games
22:16 - Razor Shultz: LoL is easy as shit now
22:17 - Neo: what an anal apocalypse
22:17 - Neo: im gonna save this conversation
22:17 - Razor Shultz: i already have
22:17 - Razor Shultz: trust me
22:17 - Razor Shultz: copypastad all of it
22:18 - Razor Shultz: >lol babby trying to justify hating dota
22:18 - Razor Shultz: >waaah i dont wanna leave my LoL
22:21 - Neo: i dont
22:21 - Neo: why would i
22:21 - Razor Shultz: because it's not as good
22:21 - Razor Shultz: and you should strive to be better
22:21 - Neo: it's not like you're even telling me to play dota
22:21 - Neo: which is not even as popular as dota yet
22:23 - Razor Shultz: it's in closed beta
22:23 - Neo: so?
22:23 - Razor Shultz: "it isnt as popular as dota"
22:23 - Razor Shultz: herp
22:24 - Neo: almost every veteran dota player that whined about it said it's way too casual
22:24 - Razor Shultz: no, they haven;t
22:24 - Razor Shultz: the best dota players in the world
22:24 - Razor Shultz: are all playing dota 2
22:24 - Razor Shultz: the best competitive dota teams are all on dota 2
22:24 - Neo: the fuck
22:24 - Neo: are you even saying
22:24 - Neo: are you counter-trolling now?
22:24 - Razor Shultz: there was a 1 million dollar tournament
22:24 - Razor Shultz: you derp
22:24 - Neo: lol
22:24 - Razor Shultz: no, just correcting your stupidity
22:24 - Neo: what does anything have to do with that
22:25 - Neo: they just went to get soem easy money
22:25 - Razor Shultz: because you said "every veteran dota player herp"
22:25 - Razor Shultz: no
22:25 - Razor Shultz: dota 2 is the way forward
22:25 - Neo: players will always go to where the money is at
22:25 - Razor Shultz: so you know you're wrong about the "veteran dota players all whined herp derp"
22:25 - Razor Shultz: so you move on to "oh they just do it for money"
22:25 - Razor Shultz: yeah, no
22:25 - Razor Shultz: deal with it
22:26 - Neo: they do it for the money because otherwise the competitive dota scene has been dead for like 2 years
22:26 - Neo: before dota2 was announced
22:26 - Razor Shultz: no it isn't
22:26 - Neo: if the best players are playing dota2 right now it's only because it made dota releveant again for the time being
22:26 - Neo: which might change soon
22:26 - Razor Shultz: no
22:26 - Razor Shultz: it isn;t
22:26 - Neo: r not
22:26 - Razor Shultz: it's because they played dota until dota 2
22:26 - Neo: depending on what direction itwill take
22:27 - Neo: they play dota2 now because dota2 has actual tournaments at the moment
22:28 - Razor Shultz: dota 1 tournaments never stopped
22:28 - Razor Shultz: they still go on to this day
22:28 - Neo: im pretty sure there werent any actual major ones in a while
22:28 - Neo: yeah
22:28 - Neo: some tournament in a guy's basement
22:28 - Razor Shultz: a team was bought by a manager for 6 million dollars
22:28 - Razor Shultz: wrong again
22:28 - Razor Shultz: you've been wrong in literally everything you've said about LoL and dota
22:28 - Razor Shultz: talk again after you learn about them both and do research
22:29 - Razor Shultz: have fun playing til then i guess
22:30 - Neo: yeah a fuckign chinese team
22:31 - Neo: which only proves that dota's popularity has not dwindled as it had in europe/us in china
22:31 - Neo: but that's like saying people cared about SC before SC2 was released
22:32 - Neo: outside of koreea that is
22:33 - Neo: and of course saying dota2 is the way forward is like saying SC2is the way forward
22:33 - Razor Shultz: ..it's the same case
22:33 - Razor Shultz: it is
22:33 - Razor Shultz: like i said
22:33 - Razor Shultz: do your research
22:33 - Razor Shultz: enough talking about it
22:34 - Razor Shultz: i'll just end up repeating myself
22:34 - Neo: you realize the sc2 comparisson is a negative one right?
22:34 - Neo: the only so called pros in sc2 atm are BW wash-ups
22:34 - Razor Shultz: literally every SC pro plays sc2 now
22:35 - Razor Shultz: no one watches BW anymore
22:35 - Neo: lol
22:35 - Razor Shultz: please stop talking
22:35 - Neo: lolololol
22:35 - Neo: im gonna copy paste this to some peopel i know
22:35 - Neo: so they can laugh at you too
22:35 - Razor Shultz: they're idiots then
22:35 - Razor Shultz: laughing at the truth
22:35 - Razor Shultz: have fun
22:35 - Razor Shultz: i'm not surprised your friends are idiots though
22:36 - Neo: yeah man
22:36 - Neo: ALL THE PROS
22:36 - Neo: LIKE IDRA
22:36 - Neo: AND BOXER!!!!
22:36 - Neo: haha
22:36 - Razor Shultz: idra plays sc2
22:36 - Razor Shultz: and nothing but
22:36 - Neo: exactly
22:36 - Neo: they are both players who were bw wash-ups
22:36 - Razor Shultz: fruitdealer, IMlosira then
22:36 - Razor Shultz: there you go
22:37 - Razor Shultz: 2 world class players
22:37 - Neo: sc2 world class
22:37 - Razor Shultz: Huk too
22:37 - Razor Shultz: again, stop talking to me
22:37 - Razor Shultz: and go research
22:37 - Neo: that's like sayinng world special ed class
22:37 - Neo: Stork doesnt paly fucking SC2
22:37 - Neo: and he's the actual best player in the wrold
22:37 - Razor Shultz: no
22:37 - Razor Shultz: he isn't
22:37 - Neo: not those has-beens
22:37 - Razor Shultz: please just stop talking
22:37 - Razor Shultz: seriously
22:37 - Razor Shultz: jdong or flash are the 2 contenders for best in the world
22:38 - Razor Shultz: everyone knows that
22:38 - Razor Shultz: you don't know anything about any game or any competitive scene
22:38 - Razor Shultz: change that, then come back
22:38 - Neo: i dont actually care about competitive scene. and i find it funny that you do
22:39 - Neo: cosidering you're not even bronze level stuff in LoL
22:39 - Razor Shultz: you're tin league
22:39 - Razor Shultz: then
22:39 - Neo: and everyone has gold these days
22:39 - Razor Shultz: because you're nowhere near me
22:39 - Neo: even alg has it
22:40 - Neo: i sure cannot play support as you do
22:40 - Neo: and do nothing
22:40 - Razor Shultz: also, Stork hasn't been in a major tournament since 2010
22:40 - Razor Shultz: enjoy