Session Start: Tue Apr 30 18:06:09 2013
Session Ident: libra-away
[06:06pm] Session Ident: libra-away (happy@libra.ircop.icq.com)
[06:06pm] [libra-away] you around chris
[06:27pm] [Gremlin[A]] I'm home now
[06:28pm] [Gremlin[A]] end and beginning of the month is always a busy time
[06:29pm] [libra] ah hey chris hugsssssssssss
[06:30pm] [libra] ok this isnt the easiest thing ive ever had to do
[06:30pm] [libra] and im hating every minute of it
[06:30pm] [libra] but i have a feeling you probably know whats coming
[06:32pm] [libra] you know that xomas was asked to leave chanops ?
[06:33pm] [Gremlin[A]] yes, I read
[06:33pm] [libra] they want you to leave to
[06:33pm] [Gremlin[A]] he was never around
[06:33pm] [libra] they feel u never are to though yur in tagteam more often
[06:34pm] [libra-brb] sorr=y im here
[06:34pm] [libra-brb] just was changing nicks
[06:34pm] [libra-brb] you just never seem to be happy there these days or getting involved so to speak
[06:34pm] [Gremlin[A]] how sweet. you know why i agreed to bring shaun in, right? and have my bots removed, don't you?
[06:35pm] [libra-brb] why?
[06:35pm] [Gremlin[A]] I have 0 respect for shaun, I knew I'd never work with him.
[06:35pm] [libra-brb] then why agree
[06:36pm] [libra-brb] its not just shaun complaining chris if it was then i would probably just slap him
[06:36pm] [libra-brb] cos i have problems with him myself with how he operates
[06:37pm] [Gremlin[A]] I also all the years I spent paying $1000+ for a shell, and supporting matrix on his bnc. Yes he offered to pay, but really i wanted nothing from him but expected some respect in return.
[06:37pm] [libra-brb] he respects you hun
[06:37pm] [Gremlin[A]] He made it very obvious he has none. Especially in the last "meeting" where he back stabbed me
[06:37pm] [libra-brb] but things are getting harder in there
[06:38pm] [libra-brb] the more ircops idle the more new ones follow the lead
[06:39pm] [libra-brb] i know im not here 2 weeks but that is how it has always been for me and i just try and make up for it when i am here but i have offered to go on many occasions
[06:39pm] [libra-brb] cos i dont like others having to do my work
[06:40pm] [libra-brb] you have always been the silent ircop but lately you just seem to be distancing yourself from all of them
[06:42pm] [libra-brb] i know sometimes you have made remarks where we ignore things you say but we dont and u tend to throw yourself into the background instead of just saying what uthink and if u dont agree with something u should jjust

say so
[06:42pm] [libra-brb] not just go along with it to keep the peace
[06:42pm] [libra-brb] i wouldnt
[06:43pm] [Gremlin[A]] Yes because I have 0 respect for Matrix, Shaun, after what they said in the last meeting. the fact that I go into channels daily has always been MY STYLE to be seen when I ban someone and not simply hide behind a bot like others do, I've been doing this for years, making my contribution to this "team".
[06:44pm] [libra-brb] i know you have done that and i have said so
[06:44pm] [libra-brb] to them
[06:44pm] [libra-brb] but itsn ot just about sitting banning flooders chris
[06:44pm] [libra-brb] often ops try and get your attention and can never get it
[06:45pm] [Gremlin[A]] my post to immortals "ticket" was exactly to that point.
[06:45pm] [libra-brb] they complain to other ircops
[06:45pm] [Gremlin[A]] they don't call my name
[06:45pm] [libra-brb] they do
[06:45pm] [libra-brb] [00:38:52] <@Alex_UK> Guest_162_974) who wants to fuck my mom? he is repeating now, Gremlin would u consider a ban pls?
[06:45pm] [libra-brb] [00:39:01] <@Alex_UK> he is in several rooms
[06:45pm] [libra-brb] [00:39:14] <@Alex_UK> Guest_162_974
[06:45pm] [libra-brb] [00:40:46] <@Alex_UK> !offer #christianity
[06:45pm] [libra-brb] last night
[06:46pm] [libra-brb] they do but u dont answer
[06:46pm] [libra-brb] and they get very pissed with it
[06:46pm] [libra-brb] and they go to other ircops
[06:47pm] [Gremlin[A]] I ignored that because it was in one channel
[06:47pm] [Gremlin[A]] he assumes its saying in multiple channels, and if it was he didn't state that
[06:48pm] [Gremlin[A]] also redi our "botop" was active and present.
[06:50pm] [Gremlin[A]] and shaun posting his reply to satman_uk about taking someones room , real nice attitude
[06:51pm] [libra-brb] i am not saying shaun is perfect u have seen me im sure and i do it daily i warn him about his ways of ircopping
[06:52pm] [libra-brb] but this has went on a long time chris ops complaining that you dont answer
[06:52pm] [libra-brb] doesnt matter if the botop is active
[06:53pm] [Gremlin[A]] also while we are talking about everything, these tasks are all bullshit. OKAY. We agreed to implement "ideas" and they were taken over by yourself or immortal as your ideas - thats fine
[06:53pm] [libra-brb] they arent there to do everything
[06:53pm] [libra-brb] bullshit?
[06:53pm] [libra-brb] so whos supposed to do all those things
[06:53pm] [libra-brb] if they arent shared
[06:54pm] [libra-brb] and why are they bullshit really
[06:54pm] [Gremlin[A]] not the idea's hun, but the fact that know they've become to much to handle and everyone else is taking them over
[06:54pm] [Gremlin[A]] that was never what I thought we were agreeing too orginally when they were brought forward
[06:54pm] [libra-brb] they arent too much to hanle if everyone is doing their own
[06:54pm] [libra-brb] its when people arent doing their or never turning up
[06:55pm] [libra-brb] and everyones having to do it for them
[06:55pm] [libra-brb] thats when it gets to obe too much
[06:55pm] [libra-brb] but if we dont share the tasks like this what will happen?
[06:55pm] [libra-brb] it will be the same person left to do all
[06:55pm] [Gremlin[A]] well how did we get by 2 -3 4 ect years ago ?
[06:56pm] [libra-brb] i done most if im being honest
[06:56pm] [libra-brb] we didnt have a ticket system
[06:56pm] [Gremlin[A]] I don't have a problem per se doing tasks, what I do get annoyed about is doing it on someone elses timetable
[06:57pm] [libra-brb] but i got most of those complaints in my personal email
[06:57pm] [libra-brb] i answered all memos
[06:57pm] [libra-brb] i cleaned the spamfilter
[06:58pm] [libra-brb] amongst 10101 other things
[06:58pm] [libra-brb] and no im not being a martyr
[06:58pm] [libra-brb] or trying to say im superwoman
[06:58pm] [libra-brb] but i did do a lot of those things and never bothered asking anyone
[06:58pm] [libra-brb] cos i had the time here
[06:58pm] [libra-brb] which i dont have anymore
[06:58pm] [Gremlin[A]] a spamfilter that shaun fills , doesn't explain to anyone else does what he thinks is right
[06:58pm] [libra-brb] we have all went on at him about that
[06:59pm] [libra-brb] immortal is on at him dfaily about his bans
[06:59pm] [libra-brb] and his filters
[06:59pm] [Gremlin[A]] like added realname length which catches tonnes of innocent users, then he gets all pissy when immortal removes it
[06:59pm] [libra-brb] so am i
[06:59pm] [libra-brb] but u havent been left with other peoples tasks chris
[06:59pm] [libra-brb] so im not sure why u would be pissy
[06:59pm] [libra-brb] the tasks that werent being done was xomas's
[07:00pm] [Gremlin[A]] right but why do I need to meet his aggression when we get it from idiots like serfat?
[07:00pm] [libra-brb] and nell and immortal was covering training
[07:00pm] [libra-brb] which i got hell from xomas when i had to tell him
[07:00pm] [libra-brb] but if i didnt
[07:01pm] [libra-brb] they would have just asked the admins for removal
[07:01pm] [libra-brb] and i dont think thats nice or respectful or right
[07:01pm] [Gremlin[A]] I had the rota for the last one ready to go, and schedules two weeks later to do the optimes, which I then see shaun post so i said to myself fuck him, fuck this
[07:01pm] [libra-brb] hun it was me who posted the rota
[07:01pm] [libra-brb] not shaun
[07:02pm] [libra-brb] cos i didnt know if u had seen the tasks
[07:02pm] [libra-brb] i wasnt trying to be smart by posting it
[07:02pm] [libra-brb] ops were asking for it i didnt know if u had seen it
[07:02pm] [Gremlin[A]] who fuck does he think he is, coming in here stepping all over me like that, just because he feels superior and can code over the rest of us
[07:02pm] •• error » no such user "libra-brb"

Session Start: Tue Apr 30 19:10:52 2013
Session Ident: libra-away
[07:11pm] [Gremlin[A]] welcome back
[07:11pm] [Gremlin[A]] [7:01p] [Gremlin[A]] I had the rota for the last one ready to go, and schedules two weeks later to do the optimes, which I then see shaun post so i said to myself fuck him, fuck this
[07:11pm] [Gremlin[A]] [7:01p] [libra-brb] hun it was me who posted the rota
[07:11pm] [Gremlin[A]] [7:01p] [libra-brb] not shaun
[07:11pm] [Gremlin[A]] [7:02p] [libra-brb] cos i didnt know if u had seen the tasks
[07:11pm] [Gremlin[A]] [7:02p] [libra-brb] i wasnt trying to be smart by posting it
[07:11pm] [Gremlin[A]] [7:02p] [libra-brb] ops were asking for it i didnt know if u had seen it
[07:11pm] [Gremlin[A]] [7:02p] [Gremlin[A]] who fuck does he think he is, coming in here stepping all over me like that, just because he feels superior and can code over the rest of us
[07:11pm] [Gremlin[A]] [7:02p] •• error » no such user "libra-brb"
[07:11pm] [libra-away] yeah glined lol
[07:12pm] [Gremlin[A]] I didn't mean the rota, I meant the task I agreed to do which was the optime.
[07:12pm] [Gremlin[A]] I know you posted it, and we discussed it after
[07:13pm] [libra-away] well i think he did the optimes before the task was posted to be fair on him but yes i know what yur saying
[07:13pm] [Gremlin[A]] was pure disrespect
[07:14pm] [libra-away] and i get annoyed at him myself daily im getting at him all this week i have chewed his head off for various things
[07:14pm] [Gremlin[A]] he knew it was my task, and did it on purpose
[07:14pm] [Gremlin[A]] trying to show me up
[07:15pm] [libra-away] well i hope u dont think that with the rota chris cos that was not my intentions at all
[07:15pm] [Gremlin[A]] so what do you expect me to do, confront him, tell him to go fuck himself, like I feel? NO instead I put my arms up and say fuck it, why I am even here anymore?
[07:15pm] [libra-away] well thats the wrong attitude and yeah i would expect you to say
[07:16pm] [libra-away] yur one of the longest ircops
[07:16pm] [libra-away] why wouldnt you
[07:16pm] [Gremlin[A]] no hun, the rota isn't the issue, the issue is your saying tasks being spread out
[07:16pm] [libra-away] if im not happy i have no qualms in saying
[07:16pm] [libra-away] but they are spread out if anyone can do them better theyre welcome to
[07:17pm] [libra-away] i gave u the rota cosi ts only every 3 months
[07:17pm] [libra-away] and your other tasks are not main tasks
[07:17pm] [libra-away] theyre just back up incase someone falls sick or something
[07:18pm] [Gremlin[A]] because hun, as a "team" i support everyone publicly and its not constructive to go nit pic after pple when we are supposed to all be equals
[07:18pm] [libra-away] so i dont think aksing someone to do something every 3 months is a lot
[07:18pm] [Gremlin[A]] and then we have pple not acting as an equal
[07:18pm] [libra-away] if u dont feel the tasks are fair then u should say im trying to make them as fair as i possibly can by putting people in things they know how to do or can do
[07:18pm] [Gremlin[A]] quite frankly i find it all to be very self serving
[07:19pm] [libra-away] self serving for who?
[07:20pm] [Gremlin[A]] hun, its not about doing the tasks, i already said I agreed to do on there own they are fine
[07:20pm] [libra-away] then im lost what is it cos i dont think the tasks are a big deal if everyone is doing their own and noone even minds doing someone elses if its for a short time
[07:21pm] [libra-away] and if anyone feels theyre not right or they have a task they rather not do they only need to say
[07:21pm] [libra-away] im not a mind reader
[07:21pm] [libra-away] i just put people where i know they can handle it
[07:21pm] [libra-away] for instance i know me myself couldnt do the bots
[07:21pm] [libra-away] cos i know nothing about them
[07:22pm] [Gremlin[A]] it wouldn't of been a big deal if the tasks left to me, where left to me and not rudely taken over - i don't mean the rota that was my first time and I accepted that i ran into a stumbling block
[07:23pm] [Gremlin[A]] its so hard to type out my frustraition here
[07:25pm] [Gremlin[A]] in all the years I worked with you, and how many times have I been racked over the coals? not very bloody often
[07:26pm] [libra-away] i know u havent but u dont get involved anymore chris u just seem to drift off
[07:26pm] [Gremlin[A]] I never criticized anyone in tagteam when I disagreed with something
[07:27pm] [libra-away] i know sometimes dicussions take too long
[07:27pm] [libra-away] for new ops etc
[07:27pm] [libra-away] but we need everyones input or everyone who is there
[07:27pm] [libra-away] we need to discuss things together
[07:27pm] [libra-away] we need everyones opinion
[07:27pm] [libra-away] and if an ircop is wrong
[07:27pm] [libra-away] its up to all ircops to tell them so
[07:28pm] [libra-away] ie des setting shit bans etc
[07:28pm] [libra-away] give him his due he does say he wants the input ifhes wrong cos he wants to learnh
[07:28pm] [libra-away] and it doesnt stop him and he needs slapped again
[07:28pm] [libra-away] but it needs the older ircops to be doing it
[07:28pm] [libra-away] not just me
[07:28pm] [Gremlin[A]] you have no idea how many HOURS i literally put in, and yes occasionally while chatting. In my away nick, how ever I was ALWAYS onduty when I was here to help
[07:29pm] [Gremlin[A]] and that is exactly what I find so insulting
[07:29pm] [libra-away] i know i have said this for 2 years u sat alone at nights killing bots
[07:29pm] [libra-away] i know u did
[07:29pm] [libra-away] but this is 2 years on chris and yur distancing yourself from everyone and u may or may not relaise but yur not answering ops
[07:29pm] [Gremlin[A]] not only the bots, but lots of complaints I didn't paste everything
[07:30pm] [libra-away] cos they constantly come and complain about it thatthey feel ignored
[07:30pm] [Gremlin[A]] like lastnight I glined a bunch of bots, didn't mention it, it goes unnoticed - who cares?
[07:30pm] [libra-away] yes things like that are noticed
[07:30pm] [libra-away] even though u may think theyre not
[07:30pm] [Gremlin[A]] no i meant, I don't need credit, is what I meant
[07:31pm] [libra-away] but important things like the chanops also need attention
[07:31pm] [Gremlin[A]] of course and I looked in rmmbotlot and whats his face was active
[07:31pm] [libra-away] this week im on hols so had time to be here nell has been and mark has been
[07:31pm] [libra-away] and chanops has been busy as hell
[07:31pm] [libra-away] ive said it for a long time and noone listens
[07:32pm] [libra-away] if ircops sit on away all the time
[07:32pm] [libra-away] and dont let it know they are around
[07:32pm] [libra-away] even if they are here and killing bots
[07:32pm] [Gremlin[A]] even though my name was called, it wasn't a task only I could to do.
[07:32pm] [libra-away] chanops just stop caring
[07:32pm] [libra-away] no i know this but they complain that often they ask for help and u never answer them
[07:32pm] [Gremlin[A]] like sitting in #ophelp, everyone wants an ircop for simple things that ophelpers could handle
[07:33pm] [libra-away] u dont have a nick echo addon thing or something ?
[07:33pm] [libra-away] yep well yes they can but we are here to help to chanops and ophelpers are not our soldiers
[07:33pm] [Gremlin[A]] i get paged if i don't have mute on lol
[07:35pm] [libra-away] wel i dont know what to say i hated having to come here and say this it was bad enough with xomas
[07:35pm] [libra-away] and all he did was turn on me and i got the worst of it
[07:35pm] [libra-away] asking me who did my tasks when im not here
[07:36pm] [libra-away] and who covers for me etc
[07:36pm] [Gremlin[A]] I have respect for you, I always have. Your not my problem and never was
[07:38pm] [libra-away] we have worked together a long time
[07:38pm] [Gremlin[A]] one thing I never forgot is that I am a chatter, just like everyone else, only with a few extra irc commands. I don't own this network. Its not MINE to do whatever I please
[07:38pm] [libra-away] and no way would i ever go to any admin
[07:38pm] [libra-away] and ask for a removal of any ircop without speaking to them
[07:39pm] [libra-away] yep i agree its not mines either
[07:39pm] [libra-away] and if im bossy which yeah i know i am
[07:39pm] [libra-away] its for the good of the network not my own good
[07:39pm] [libra-away] its for bans being set on innocents and people being banned for stupid shit
[07:40pm] [libra-away] or its to try and keep us together and not let everyone run off their own ways
[07:40pm] [Gremlin[A]] well right, I never sat there and watched you behind your back
[07:41pm] [libra-away] well i dont either sit and watch ircops chris
[07:41pm] [Gremlin[A]] I refused to use clones to spy on channels, and sit there all day warning and banning users
[07:41pm] [libra-away] if i pull shaun its cos im having a complaint or a zillion tickets to remove glines
[07:42pm] [Gremlin[A]] I know you don't, but others do
[07:42pm] [libra-away] and i use a clone cosi find it easier to gline floods from that than me go into a channel and do it
[07:42pm] [Gremlin[A]] you know, I sat in #canucks this past week and watched users get warned via the bots
[07:42pm] [Gremlin[A]] bot*
[07:43pm] [Gremlin[A]] people feel like they can't chat freely
[07:44pm] [libra-away] well its up to us to sort that chris
[07:44pm] [libra-away] its not going to srt itself
[07:44pm] [libra-away] as isaid if ircops are not here
[07:44pm] [Gremlin[A]] i don't know if you noticed but the channel number and irc numbers are on a steady decline
[07:44pm] [libra-away] ops dont bother to come either
[07:44pm] [libra-away] so we have no ops
[07:45pm] [libra-away] so the botops etc are kinda forced to warn by ops if ophelp is busy with complaints
[07:45pm] [Gremlin[A]] hold on, back to serfat flooding - you know queen tamara isn't going to go to ophelp and report it
[07:45pm] [libra-away] well that goes for all ircs ppl are more into fb and twitter etc now the social networks have been taking over for a long time
[07:46pm] [libra-away] she does come and report she did yesterday
[07:46pm] [Gremlin[A]] jeca submitting ticket in
[07:46pm] [libra-away] she submitted a ticket which she had already got an answer in ophelp
[07:48pm] [Gremlin[A]] right, but she harasses and is racist, you and I both know it. The op was wrong by saying (i forget the exact word) they're known to us, and thus why she didn't get a kick but a ban instead
[07:48pm] [Gremlin[A]] the wording I meant was wrong, not his action
[07:48pm] [libra-away] yep it was wrong
[07:48pm] [libra-away] and i wpoke to him about it
[07:48pm] [libra-away] spoke*
[07:50pm] [Gremlin[A]] anyways, these are all minor grieviences
[07:50pm] [libra-away] well chanops is not perfect and it will never be
[07:51pm] [libra-away] but lack of ircops is killing it as much as anything and they can see that there is anomosity among ircops
[07:51pm] [Gremlin[A]] the real aggrevation here is not trusting or respecting the people I'm supposed to be supporting as a team
[07:52pm] [Gremlin[A]] you excluded.
[07:54pm] [Gremlin[A]] i should probably add immortal, he's okay.
[07:55pm] [libra-away] well maybe u need to speak in tagteam
[07:55pm] [libra-away] i asked sherif to do the same
[07:55pm] [libra-away] not that it helped much ..
[07:55pm] [libra-away] hje ended up bolting out
[07:55pm] [libra-away] saying to hell with it all
[07:56pm] [libra-away] but we cant function as a team like this really
[07:56pm] [Gremlin[A]] ah well I was mad that one day, and misread what he said, and didn't correct it later when I realized what he said
[07:56pm] [libra-away] there is too much animosity
[07:57pm] [Gremlin[A]] I thought immortal said he was going to ask for me to be removed, which I replied (something like) find do it, I didn't sign up for this bs.. something along those lines
[07:57pm] [libra-away] he said he would ask for himself to be removed
[07:57pm] [Gremlin[A]] I realized later i misread it, but I had said it already so i left it
[07:58pm] [libra-away] cos hes fed up of ircops not being here
[07:58pm] [libra-away] hes not here atm but he has said why
[07:58pm] [libra-away] hes doing exams and if he steps near the comp his mum is on his back
[07:58pm] [libra-away] cos he shas no job and he needs to passs these
[07:58pm] [libra-away] bu he does drop in any spare minute and do what he can do
[07:58pm] [Gremlin[A]] Mark + Tntease = 1 vote
[07:59pm] [Gremlin[A]] you know libra-away, I didn't mention my issue with mark in tagteam, or to anyone else
[07:59pm] [Gremlin[A]] yet he goes to you
[08:00pm] [Gremlin[A]] then pastes what I said to tntease too
[08:00pm] [Gremlin[A]] he told us so, that day you and I and him went to another channel to talk it out
[08:00pm] [libra-away] i had already told him not to tel ltnt
[08:01pm] [libra-away] cos i felt it would only make matters worse involving someone else
[08:01pm] [Gremlin[A]] he said he did, and she hasn't talked to me since - justifibly so
[08:01pm] [libra-away] yep he did i believe
[08:01pm] [libra-away] but i had told him not to
[08:02pm] [Gremlin[A]] so I apologized to him.. and not just that day.. several times after
[08:06pm] [libra-away] well
[08:06pm] [libra-away] i dont know what u want to do if u want to speak to them yourself
[08:07pm] [Gremlin[A]] this guy comes in chanops occasional drunk, is doing drugs, not keeping our (MY) conversation with him private, and I get the short end of the stick
[08:10pm] [Gremlin[A]] hun, I've lived on my own since I was 16, 100% responsible for myself. I look to myself, not anyone else.
[08:10pm] [libra-away] im not asking u to look to anyone hun
[08:10pm] [Gremlin[A]] I don't want anyone kissing my ass, and I'm not going to give it either
[08:10pm] [libra-away] but at the same time
[08:11pm] [libra-away] i just dont want to go and have u removed
[08:12pm] [Gremlin[A]] :/
[08:12pm] [libra-away] immortal did go to the admin
[08:12pm] [libra-away] and said if they cant sort things
[08:12pm] [libra-away] to remove him
[08:12pm] [Gremlin[A]] yeah, thats another HUGE frustraition
[08:13pm] [Gremlin[A]] you know how many times I've had contact with the admin?
[08:13pm] [Gremlin[A]] ONCE
[08:13pm] [libra-away] well its always been a frustration having no active admins
[08:13pm] [libra-away] i havent had much contact with them either
[08:14pm] [Gremlin[A]] and it wasn't even a conversation, it was a: Here is your login certificate
[08:14pm] [Gremlin[A]] thats it
[08:14pm] [libra-away] but they have given us all the access they can give us
[08:14pm] [libra-away] its cos they are newbies themselves to it
[08:14pm] [Gremlin[A]] no hi, how are you, go fuck yourself - nothing from these guys
[08:15pm] [Gremlin[A]] okay but your incontact, or immortal is, or shaun is
[08:15pm] [libra-away] yeah only when i msg them
[08:15pm] [libra-away] they dont msg me
[08:15pm] [libra-away] i have them just the same as u do and ive only spoke tothem maybe 3 times
[08:16pm] [Gremlin[A]] I have msgs them, i think it was just ask if i had the correct icq #
[08:16pm] [Gremlin[A]] like a dozen times
[08:18pm] [Gremlin[A]] dead air, no reply
[08:18pm] [libra-away] well they dont reply to us to chris
[08:18pm] [libra-away] i keep msg them till i get a reply if i really need them
[08:18pm] [libra-away] which its only been a couple of times maybe
[08:18pm] [Gremlin[A]] then I see others getting replies like when to add a module or some other thing
[08:19pm] [Gremlin[A]] once again back to the fact that I don't code, so I'm less important?
[08:19pm] [libra-away] yeah but thats after msg them a lot of times
[08:20pm] [libra-away] i dont code to
[08:20pm] [libra-away] yur not less important
[08:23pm] [Gremlin[A]] okay but this is why I've been getting pissed off.. a guy who just comes in to TT starts going around as if he's more important , making some of us feel belittled? IE the spamfilter, amoungst other things
[08:23pm] [Gremlin[A]] I knew this would happen too
[08:23pm] [libra-away] well i think we all thought it might
[08:23pm] [libra-away] but hoped it wouldnt
[08:29pm] [libra-away] either way
[08:30pm] [libra-away] if u want to stay with us yur going to have to speak to them and we are going to have to start building some bridges in there
[08:31pm] [Gremlin[A]] of course I don't want to quit, but what am I supposed to do? fight with everyone everytime I disagree with something?
[08:32pm] [libra-away] dont have to fight chris
[08:32pm] [libra-away] i dont fight
[08:32pm] [libra-away] i just say what i think
[08:32pm] [libra-away] even moreso with a new ircop
[08:32pm] [libra-away] if its shaun who is bothering u most
[08:32pm] [Gremlin[A]] okay wrong choice of word
[08:33pm] [libra-away] with sherif
[08:33pm] [Gremlin[A]] I already told you how put off I was after our last meeting with him.
[08:33pm] [libra-away] it was promises upon promises of going to be here
[08:34pm] [libra-away] and then he got his connection
[08:34pm] [libra-away] which everyone i think was more than patient
[08:34pm] [libra-away] and still ideled and opped for the odd hour then left
[08:35pm] [Gremlin[A]] My blood started to boil when I thought I seen shaun wanting a next meeting on the forums last week
[08:35pm] [libra-away] hm
[08:35pm] [libra-away] i never saw that?
[08:35pm] [Gremlin[A]] I didn't read it, was last tues. i think it was.. I only seen the topic. I read it today and it was just someone replying to an old thread
[08:36pm] [libra-away] yep it wasnt him asking
[08:36pm] [libra-away] cos he wasnt here
[08:36pm] [libra-away] he wasin germany
[08:37pm] [Gremlin[A]] k, well I was cursing to myself - guess I should of read it.
[08:37pm] [Gremlin[A]] was the 24th or 25th I think
[08:37pm] [Gremlin[A]] anyways
[08:41pm] [Gremlin[A]] the point is, I didn't appretiate the meeting and being ganged up on by him and mark.. mark especially, and I ended up attacking him back as a direct result of it all
[08:42pm] [libra-away] its cos yur here and u dont let people know yur here a lot of time
[08:42pm] [libra-away] i know u dont appreciate al lthe posting in tt at times
[08:42pm] [libra-away] most of it probably by me
[08:42pm] [Gremlin[A]] my actions after weren't cool but had it stayed between US two it would of escalated into more and left a bad taste in everyones mouth
[08:42pm] [libra-away] and u may think its pointless
[08:42pm] [Gremlin[A]] wouldn't**
[08:42pm] [libra-away] but i do it for a reason
[08:42pm] [libra-away] for to keep us all in the lopp
[08:43pm] [libra-away] loop*
[08:43pm] [libra-away] at least what im doing
[08:43pm] [libra-away] so that noone can say u never told us u did that
[08:43pm] [libra-away] or i removed that ban u set cosi didnt know johndoe was flooding etc
[08:43pm] [libra-away] i make sure it be know so we are kind working in sync
[08:44pm] [Gremlin[A]] of course, and I never get upset about one of my bans being removed
[08:44pm] [Gremlin[A]] or rarely anyones
[08:44pm] [Gremlin[A]] i don't think i ever have
[08:44pm] [libra-away] doesnt matter
[08:44pm] [libra-away] i still put tthingsin there so people know when ive spoke to someone
[08:44pm] [libra-away] or what ive said
[08:44pm] [libra-away] so its not dupicated
[08:45pm] [libra-away] or the op comes from one ircop to another
[08:45pm] [libra-away] and it also keeps the channe lalive a bit
[08:46pm] [Gremlin[A]] i know, and I like that. I have no issue with any of that. Although if its a huge paste the details sometimes get lost lol
[08:46pm] [libra-away] yep i know it happens
[08:47pm] [libra-away] but noone can say oh i never knew or noone told me
[08:47pm] [libra-away] or yur doing yur own thing noone knows what u do
[08:47pm] [libra-away] cos i put it in there so everyone does know
[08:47pm] [Gremlin[A]] k like the ticket a week ago, you handled a guy
[08:47pm] [Gremlin[A]] I seen a new ticket asking for a gline to be removed
[08:47pm] [Gremlin[A]] i removed it
[08:48pm] [libra-away] yep i seen
[08:48pm] [Gremlin[A]] then seen an older ticket after, of you explaining why they got banned
[08:48pm] [Gremlin[A]] I readded it, stated it was my error
[08:48pm] [libra-away] its only to keep people in the loop i do these things
[08:48pm] [Gremlin[A]] when I'm wrong, I'm wrong
[08:48pm] [libra-away] its not to say oh i done this and that and i dealt with this
[08:48pm] [libra-away] its just to try and keep us together
[08:49pm] [libra-away] and keep all involved
[08:49pm] [Gremlin[A]] I know
[08:49pm] [libra-away] no matter how trivial it is
[08:49pm] [Gremlin[A]] most of what happens around here happens on your shift
[08:49pm] [Gremlin[A]] when I come in, your here already, or the others are around
[08:50pm] [Gremlin[A]] I come in, in the evening - not so much since tntease has been here
[08:50pm] [Gremlin[A]] but when i do, nothing is really happening
[08:50pm] [libra-away] well ive managed to be here loads this week cos im on hols
[08:50pm] [Gremlin[A]] few chanops around
[08:50pm] [Gremlin[A]] I start taking calls for chanops and go in myself
[08:51pm] [Gremlin[A]] sometimes I stayed longer then I should
[08:51pm] [Gremlin[A]] or just walked away from the pc forgetting im there
[08:51pm] [Gremlin[A]] w/e
[08:52pm] [Gremlin[A]] but those times are when nothing was really going on
[08:53pm] [Gremlin[A]] like just the usual w/k/b kind of stuff. No bots to gline
[08:53pm] [Gremlin[A]] or #canucks complaining in the evening
[08:53pm] [Gremlin[A]] william guy going on about islam pissing pple off
[08:53pm] [Gremlin[A]] things like that
[08:55pm] [libra-away] well its been a busy few days for me
[08:55pm] [libra-away] never got my head up last night and i felt like crap
[08:55pm] [Gremlin[A]] often i'd go rooms just to be seen, more then anything. Leaving chanops things for chanops

[09:50pm] [libra-away] ok hun its 3 for me i have an appointment in the morning i better move
[09:50pm] [libra-away] the others are going to ask me if i have spoken to you what do u want me to say to them
[09:50pm] [libra-away] as if things r not bad enough for u atm
[09:50pm] [libra-away] and now this ;(
[09:51pm] [Gremlin[A]] right now, I have no idea. I'm so stressed with everything going on
[09:52pm] [libra-away] if i dont come up with something they will go and ask for yur removal themselves
[09:52pm] [libra-away] i just dont know what to say about it all
[09:52pm] [Gremlin[A]] just a lot of built up frustration
[09:52pm] [Gremlin[A]] at the moment
[09:53pm] [Gremlin[A]] honestly, i can't even think at the moment
[09:54pm] [libra-away] im sorry its come to this i feel like i have let everyone down in tt had i maybe been able to be here more i might have been able to keep u all together a bit better
[09:58pm] [libra-away] this isnt just lately tho hun its over a long period it was felt u havent made an attemopt to get involved in things that are going on
[09:59pm] [libra-away] irc is not such a big place
[09:59pm] [libra-away] ppl notice things
[09:59pm] [Gremlin[A]] ah well, i think i've been backing off since tntease came in
[09:59pm] [Gremlin[A]] realistically, we seem to be here at the same time
[10:00pm] [libra-away] yep u will be
[10:00pm] [Gremlin[A]] overlapped a lot
[10:00pm] [libra-away] shes on most of the night
[10:00pm] [libra-away] cant avoid people tho hun
[10:00pm] [libra-away] thats a problem in itself
[10:00pm] [Gremlin[A]] no no, wasnt to avoid
[10:01pm] [Gremlin[A]] I didn't care if she was, but often chanops ask for channels, we both answer
[10:01pm] [Gremlin[A]] stuff like that
[10:02pm] [Gremlin[A]] I figure she needed the experience more then I do
[10:02pm] [libra-away] well i dont see that as a problem we al lare often on the same time and we try ban the same ppl etc
[10:02pm] [libra-away] well she doesnt like being alone she likes having help
[10:03pm] [libra-away] shes much more active when others are around
[10:03pm] [libra-away] when shes on her own she tends to drift off sometimes
[10:04pm] • Gremlin[A] knows, she'd ask me what I felt sometimes was obvious questions to things
[10:04pm] [libra-away] ok well after 3 for me hun i dont know what to say really they know yur here and tommorow they will ask me to go have u removed if u want something done about that yur going to have totalk in tagteam .. :( sorry to

leave u like this but i have to be up at 6
[10:05pm] [Gremlin[A]] i kind of shake my head at times, at things I consider common sense
[10:05pm] [Gremlin[A]] k
[10:05pm] [Gremlin[A]] good night
[10:05pm] [Gremlin[A]] hugsssssssssss
[10:06pm] [Gremlin[A]] sorry to keep you up so late
[10:06pm] [libra-away] night hun and sorry to run but late and up in 4 hours
[10:06pm] [libra-away] hugssssssssssssssssssss
[10:06pm] [Gremlin[A]] hugsssssssssssssssss
Session Close: Wed May 01 00:00:00 2013

[11:03pm] [!Gremlin[A]] Guys/Gals, sorry I feel like i've been letting everyone down in TT lately. I've been real cranky due some personal stresses I've been working on that needed resolving. I should be able to be here more going

forward and shall work on being more vocal, keeping you all informed and working together better.
Session Close: Wed May 01 00:00:00 2013

Session Start: Wed May 01 00:00:00 2013
Session Ident: #tagteam
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[03:41pm] [!immortal-away] [06:03:06] <!Gremlin[A]> Guys/Gals, sorry I feel like i've been letting everyone down in TT lately. I've been real cranky due some personal stresses I've been working on that needed resolving. I should be able

to be here more going forward and shall work on being more vocal, keeping you all informed and working together better.
[03:41pm] [!immortal-away] I see noone has made a comment on what chris said and im shocked, when it was xomas everyone was commenting, however when its same thing with chris is being here u guys try and avoid or do not want to say

anything here.
[03:41pm] [!immortal-away] Both chris and sherif was in same situation and we tried to solve it and get them work properly as needed and it did not work.
[03:41pm] [!immortal-away] xomas said the same things he will have time and do best soon, and he is out of the team yet i see chris saying same but noone
[03:41pm] [!immortal-away] Neither chris or sherif i have no personal problems i respect both of them and still do.
[03:41pm] [!immortal-away] Also one more word out of topic a bit but shaun really, the way you are on will really just cause mess forever for tagteam if you don't stop it, banning is not gonna solve every shit here.. sometimes you have

to use other options. (sorry couldn't shut up of all these shit bans and innocent ones always opening tickets we never had this)
[03:41pm] [!immortal-away] However this is not the way i would keep working.
[03:41pm] [!immortal-away] If this is how the team works in same case keep one and get other out, im asking my removal to the admins by tomorrow since they are off atm anyway, i wish you all best.
[03:42pm] [!immortal-away] Tagteam wishes to know which age limit you think is better for the teen rooms
[03:42pm] [!immortal-away] 19
[03:42pm] [!immortal-away] 30 (68.2%)
[03:42pm] [!immortal-away] 25 (old rule)
[03:42pm] [!immortal-away] 10 (22.7%)
[03:42pm] [!immortal-away] other (state in a comment below which and why)
[03:42pm] [!immortal-away] 4 (9.1%)
[03:42pm] [!TNTe[A]se] Sorry I hadn't gotten my thoughts together at the time yet and figured it would be discussed in here as a group, but I can post my conclusions.
[03:43pm] [!immortal-away] looks like most vote is for keep it as 13-19
[03:45pm] [!TNTe[A]se] I'm ok with that, we just need to figure out how to make it clear to chanops that the point is not to hunt down and kill overagers, but rather to deal with the content in the channel.
[03:49pm] [!TNTe[A]se] as far as Gremlin's post....well I've read the comments in here and seen some of what he's had to say about things. My response is this:
[03:49pm] [!TNTe[A]se] So, if he can't be bothered to deal with people, and he can't be bothered to do his assigned tasks because some of the aspects of the ircop duties have changed or been clarified, and he can't be bothered to be

around more often, and he has a grumpy attitude EVERY time we've tried to talk to him for the past....6 months or more?....What is the use of him being an ircop at all?
[03:50pm] [!TNTe[A]se] I"m sorry Chris, but I have to say that, from what I have seen, that pretty much sums it all up for me. I think you have lost your enthusiasm and your drive for the work.
[03:54pm] [!TNTe[A]se] We try to make it clear even to new chanops that the work will be busy, and often frustrating, and you'll get grief, and people will harass you, and everyone has an opinion and most are way to happy to foist theirs

upon you, and as an ircop it is only more so, plus you have to be able to be 10x the moderator/umpire/caretaker/etc that we were as chanops. You have to have something that drive
[03:54pm] [!TNTe[A]se] s you to do this or it's not worth the bother to do it. Even on the worst days.
[03:57pm] [!TNTe[A]se] That being said, I am still thankful for the help you've given me over the years, Chris, and I do respect your abilities and your knowledge. I just think you have a lot going on the past year or so and it's taking

a lot of your time and attention and enthusiasm.
[04:04pm]   »» nick change TNTe[A]se (DngrsCrvs@TNTease.ircop.icq.com) changes nick to "TNTease"
[04:34pm] [!immortal-away] g'night all tc
[04:34pm] [!TNTease] g'night erkan
[04:35pm] [!TNTease] ah my boys are coming in the door, I guess that's my cue too. bbl
[04:35pm]   »» nick change TNTease (DngrsCrvs@TNTease.ircop.icq.com) changes nick to "TNTe[A]se"
[04:35pm] [!TNTe[A]se] bbl
[05:36pm] [!TNTe[A]se] idling too long...slipping out the back way...
[05:36pm] [!TNTe[A]se] [away] [reason: autoaway after 60 minute(s) idle] [at: 16:36:32] [logger: off] [pager: off]
[11:37pm] [goneawaylator] morning
[11:38pm] [goneawaylator] <!immortal-away> I see noone has made a comment on what chris said and im shocked, when it was xomas everyone was commenting, however when its same thing with chris is being here u guys try and avoid or do not

want to say anything here.
[11:39pm] [goneawaylator] i think this is abit eh rude bro, maybe we have pvtd chris to talk about it rather that put it in tagteam?
[11:39pm] [goneawaylator] maybe we want abit of time to think about it all and then make a calm choice?
[11:41pm] [goneawaylator] i wasnt aware that we had to answer within a certain time scale
[11:41pm] [goneawaylator] at any rate,
[11:42pm] [goneawaylator] The only reason Gremlin[A] i cant agree to you staying now is because Sherif is gone, and if we keep you, hes gonne go very angry and cause alot of problems
Session Close: Thu May 02 00:00:00 2013

Session Start: Thu May 02 01:54:10 2013
Session Ident: MaTriX^AWAY
[01:54am] Session Ident: MaTriX^AWAY (TriX@MaTriX.ircop.icq.com)
[01:54am] [MaTriX^AWAY] Hi chris
[01:54am] [MaTriX^AWAY] I realise that u may not be here
[01:54am] [MaTriX^AWAY] but im not going to paste my thoughts into TT for all to see as I respect the situation presently and u as a person
[01:57am] [MaTriX^AWAY] bearing in mind the fact xomas has been removed for reasons which are on a similar line to your own I think u really need to consider your position seriously, better to step down graciously rather that get removed, thats all im going to say over the matter.

My rebuttal to everything that was said, I wrote immediately after however I never bothered to post as I felt at the time maybe the best thing to do was to just carry on with my duties as normal and not keep it going. On reflection back, its of my personal opinion that this was all a set up. Since making logs available, I've since heard (from an unnamed source who shall remain unidentified) that Libra, Matrix, TnTease, Desolator, Immortal routinely went on Skype to discuss agenda's. For a long time I've suspected there was collusion going on in the background with a clear intent to push an agenda.

[03:41pm] [!immortal-away] [06:03:06] <!Gremlin[A]> Guys/Gals, sorry I feel
 like i've been letting everyone down in TT lately. I've been real cranky due some personal stresses I've been working on that needed resolving. I should be able to be here more going forward and shall work on being more vocal,  keeping you all informed and working together better.
 [03:41pm] [!immortal-away] I see noone has made a comment on what chris
 said and im shocked, when it was xomas everyone was commenting, however when its same thing with chris is being here u guys try and avoid or do not want to say anything here.
 [03:41pm] [!immortal-away] Both chris and sherif was in same situation and
 we tried to solve it and get them work properly as needed and it did not
 work. <= excuse me? I don't work for you,  im not paid by any one of you, just like all of you, I am a chatter here given a few extra IRC commands. I've chosen to be here volunteering my own time, my money and effort to the ICQ network, for the chatters. You don't own my time here, or what I do on ICQ. It's the Admin that sets the policies here spelled out in the Terms of Service. Maybe due to the lack of interaction with the Admin, you've forgotten this little fact?
 [03:41pm] [!immortal-away] xomas said the same things he will have time and do best soon, and he is out of the team yet i see chris saying same but
 noone <= and who kept pushing this agenda to have Xomas removed? I had my differences with xomas but guess what,  I never demanded his removal, because I understand the virtues of honor,  loyalty and respect unlike the one pushing for his removal.
 [03:41pm] [!immortal-away] Neither chris or sherif i have no personal
 problems i respect both of them and still do. <= oh really? so that explains the attack towards "respected" members of TagTeam
 [03:41pm] [!immortal-away] Also one more word out of topic a bit but shaun
 really, the way you are on will really just cause mess forever for tagteam
 if you don't stop it, banning is not gonna solve every shit here..
 sometimes you have to use other options. (sorry couldn't shut up of all
 these shit bans and innocent ones always opening tickets we never had this)
 [03:41pm] [!immortal-away] However this is not the way i would keep working.
 [03:41pm] [!immortal-away] If this is how the team works in same case keep
 one and get other out, im asking my removal to the admins by tomorrow since they are off atm anyway, i wish you all best. <= Again which one of us in this "team" has been pushing to have others removed? So you jump on that band wagoon, then complain about the quality of this "team". Anyone happen to notice your op times? I have and haven't said a word about that. Since you don't want to look like a hypocrite while you're bashing me and my time I spend here, perhaps you should take a look at yours and take your own advice?

 [03:49pm] [!TNTe[A]se] as far as Gremlin's post....well I've read the
 comments in here and seen some of what he's had to say about things. My
 response is this:
 [03:49pm] [!TNTe[A]se] So, if he can't be bothered to deal with people, and
 he can't be bothered to do his assigned tasks because some of the aspects
 of the ircop duties have changed or been clarified, and he can't be
 bothered to be around more often, and he has a grumpy attitude EVERY time we've tried to talk to him for the past....6 months or more?....What is the use
 of him being an ircop <= This is total crap, I talk to chatters EVERY DAY, I do a /list and go in select rooms checking it out, saying hellos,  giving people the opportunity to private me to ask a question or simply complian. Remember the outright attack based on my personal character and characteristics of my going into chatrooms. I have been doing this since  day one when I was made a botop and then IrCop. None of you have any right dictating to me were I can go or which nickname im going in. I'm not breaking irc rules, nor am I anyone's puppet.  Secondly,  its #ophelp I have no use for,  im not going to give a long laundry list of the reasons why,  if you want to sit there thats your prerogative. I've exercised my right not too. Third point,  ircop duties as assigned by the Admin  has not changed, show me where that's changed? ircd has changed,  some commands have changed.
 [03:50pm] [!TNTe[A]se] I"m sorry Chris, but I have to say that, from what I
 have seen, that pretty much sums it all up for me. I think you have lost
 your enthusiasm and your drive for the work. <= I think you've all lost sight of one simple overlooked fact. This isn't irc.libra.com or irc.gremlin.com. This isn't a full time or part time job, this isnt work. We are volunteers giving our time to the community. WE ARE CHATTERS, with a few more irc commands.   Any "task" I agree to do  beyond ensuring a fun, fair environment is done on my own free will, period. You can take on all the "tasks" you want if that's what makes you feel superior over me.

 [03:54pm] [!TNTe[A]se] We try to make it clear even to new chanops that the
 work will be busy, and often frustrating, and you'll get grief, and people
 will harass you, and everyone has an opinion and most are way to happy to
 foist theirs upon you, and as an ircop it is only more so, plus you have to
 be able to be 10x the moderator/umpire/caretaker/etc that we were as
 chanops. You have to have something that drive <= Are you just figuring all this out, or telling me this because you think this my first week here?
 [03:54pm] [!TNTe[A]se] s you to do this or it's not worth the bother to do
 it. Even on the worst days. <= This has no relevance to me, I take care of
 these issues daily for years, so no idea what your on about.
 [03:57pm] [!TNTe[A]se] That being said, I am still thankful for the help
 you've given me over the years, Chris, and I do respect your abilities and
 your knowledge. I just think you have a lot going on the past year or so
 and it's taking a lot of your time and attention and enthusiasm. <= How exactly would you know where my time, attention & enthusiasm  is spent outside of #tagteam & #chanops?

 I honorably apologized for not being here as much as I could be, on Libra suggestion to do so. I find it astonishing that after paying for five years to provide  Mark with a static ip so that he could have an o:line  Mark shows his gradititute  and complete lack of loyalties, taking the opportunity to further his selfserving agenda of getting xomas  removed. Has a go at me at the last ircop meeting,  I am highly insulted  at the outright disrespect and attack based on my personal character and characteristics. I never recieved a genuine or sincere apology for going after me. Yes,  I did leave a nasty message  in Marks private the day after the ircop meeting,  was in part for pasting back into #tagteam a private message I sent to him during our meeting. I called him a two-faced little bitch for the attack on me. Also a blurb about what people say about tntease.  It was Mark who pushed for her access for something like a year or so. Remember those conversations Mark? Libra and I were  never for the idea of bumping her up. It was always YOUR agenda that got her to where she is today. We agreed to add her because we liked you, and not so much because of her own merit.    So what did Mark do? Well instead of keeping a private,  confidential as expected Mark proved me right by running off to show Tntease and crying to Libra. So Libra asked me to apologize,  for which I did. Despite the fact that it was his initial attack on me during the meeting and paste of my private that started all this in the first place.


 Two tasks I personally agreed to. 1 optimes, 2 AOPS rotation. The optimes was last completed by me in March. I said Id do it,  but no timetable was agreed upon for when the next cycle would be.  In April Desolater took it apon himself to do the optimes. It pissed me off, but I let go. Also on April 1st was the next Aop rotation. I had it made but discovered I didn't have an easy way to add/remove aops, after a few days of trying to figure out how,  libra posted her own. Which I later discussed with Libra in private.

 [11:38pm] [goneawaylator] <!immortal-away> I see noone has made a comment
 on what chris said and im shocked, when it was xomas everyone was
 commenting, however when its same thing with chris is being here u guys try
 and avoid or do not want to say anything here.
 [11:39pm] [goneawaylator] i think this is abit eh rude bro, maybe we have
 pvtd chris to talk about it rather that put it in tagteam? <= of course it was rude. Similarly,  I was pissed off with Mark, instead of involving TT I took private,  only Mark can't be trusted to have things said to him in private to remain confidential.
 [11:39pm] [goneawaylator] maybe we want abit of time to think about it all
 and then make a calm choice?
 [11:41pm] [goneawaylator] i wasnt aware that we had to answer within a
 certain time scale <= I wasn't aware I was asking either,  so that makes the two of us.
 [11:41pm] [goneawaylator] at any rate,
 [11:42pm] [goneawaylator] The only reason Gremlin[A] i cant agree to you
 staying now is because Sherif is gone, and if we keep you, hes gonne go
 very angry and cause alot of problems <= if I go, Libra, Mark, Immortal, everyone left definitely need to go too :)
 Session Close: Thu May 02 00:00:00 2013


 Sherif (xomas) hasnt been around often for the past few months, so what? For the past several months Mark has been pushing to have him removed, why? exactly why did it matter and bother mark so much to have him removed?

 Libra has been taking 2 weeks off EVERY MONTH for well over two years, and yet no one is saying a word about this or demanding her removal ? So if we are calling a spade a spade, by removing Xomas for not being here makes you all hypocrites and Libra should be out too.

 TNTease doesn't know the most basic IRCOP commands to add something to the spamfilter?
 Session Start: Sun May 05 00:00:00 2013
 Session Ident: #tagteam
 [12:01am] [!TNTe[A]se] immortal-away when yu come in could you please add
 *puta* to the filters? it's spanish for whore
 [01:30am] [!immortal-away] TNTe[A]se, goneawaylator will do it hun

 Matrix - On many occasions has shown up drunk or on drugs - - Also the
 entire time he's been an IRCOP I've paid to keep his o:line due to needing
 a static IP prior to SSL

 Desolator - is constantly adding spamfilter rules and g:lining innocent
 users. Check the ircd spamfilter rules and who sets so many.
 Daily I've had to remove his wrongfully set g:lines on users.

I have been a chatter in good standings on icq since 1998 and the second
 most experienced IRCOP besides Libra.  I have volunteered hundreds of hours volunteering my time here, and spent well in excess of $1000+ USD on maintaining the eggdrops that where in ALL ICQ owned channels before being moved to ICQ's own shell as well as Matrix BNC IP prior to SSL being enabled for us.

Recently XOMAS was asked to be removed due to him never being here and now
 I'm being threatened by the members of IRCOPS to leave. Which i feel is totally unfounded and unjustified.

 I find this their behavior and threats completely unacceptable:

Session Start: Thu May 02 01:54:10 2013
 Session Ident: MaTriX^AWAY
 [01:54am] Session Ident: MaTriX^AWAY (TriX@MaTriX.ircop.icq.com) [01:54am] [MaTriX^AWAY] Hi chris
 [01:54am] [MaTriX^AWAY] I realise that u may not be here
 [01:54am] [MaTriX^AWAY] but im not going to paste my thoughts into TT for all to see as I respect the situation presently and u as a person
 [01:57am] [MaTriX^AWAY] bearing in mind the fact xomas has been removed
 for reasons which are on a similar line to your own I think u really need
 to consider your position seriously, better to step down graciously rather
 that get removed, thats all im going to say over the matter.