Ana_Ng: Child on global matters of import

Ana_Ng
is a carnist an omnivore who chooses not to eat plant matter
Roanoke
we are on the verge of cloning dinosaurs. you think bees are a problem to clone ?
paradiso
Ana_Ng: A carnist is an explicit name for the thing that almost all humans have done since there have been humans: the usage of animals for food and clothing and other products.
paradiso
The dominant ways in cultures are often not named, as they're just 'normal'.
Ana_Ng
so it’s more than eating
paradiso
So, a vegan named that practice carnism a few years ago, as that's what sociologists and anthropologists do.
paradiso
Yes.
Ana_Ng
can a vegan wear leather shoes and eat gelatin
paradiso
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnism
paradiso
They cannot.
paradiso
Of course, these things aren't trivially easy, and so you do what you can do.
paradiso
So you might modify your shoe practice, as that's easy, and then modify your eating practice.
Ana_Ng
eastjinx: no
paradiso
All progress that reduces suffering is good.
paradiso
Carnism is a concept used in discussions of humanity's relation to other animals, defined as a prevailing ideology in which people support the use and consumption of animal products, especially meat.[n 1] Carnism is presented as a dominant belief system supported by a variety of defense mechanisms and mostly unchallenged assumptions.[1][2][3][4] The term carnism was coined by social psychologist and author Melanie J
paradiso
oy in 2001 and popularized by her book Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows (2009).[5][6][7]
Ana_Ng
don’t be ridikorous
paradiso
Imagine, then, that because you got slightly challenged by a person that has lived their entire life like you, but then mindfully changed, and you label their speech as religious.
paradiso
It's just a wild, instinctive, passive-aggressive defense mechanism.
paradiso
It's so incredibly transparent.
Ana_Ng
what do you think about eskimos wearing fur and eating moose and seal
paradiso
I think the ethics of the same action vary as context varies.
Roanoke
not want to brag, but my next soup will be an all vegetable 'mexican roasted pepper fiesta' ... im not going vegan, im going tasty.
paradiso
I think there's a great deal more support for eskimos being carnists than people who live in California, for example.
abumphone
^tetly
paradiso
And, then, I call her out on this wild defense mechanism.
Ana_Ng
what do you think about vegans who fly in produce grown 10,000 miles away
paradiso
And she just won't take any accountability.
paradiso
Again, this is a child's behavior.
Roanoke
got thym, rosemary, red pepper all in a smooth soupy paste.
paradiso
It's the definition of toxic behavior.
paradiso
Ana_Ng: You're jumping through questions rapidly.
paradiso
Are you aware of that?
paradiso
You appear to have little interest in the actual answers, right.
paradiso
These techniques do not work on me, Ana_Ng.
paradiso
C'mon.
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paradiso
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop
Roanoke
is paradiso the foodie guy that was in Cambodia ?
paradiso
The Gish gallop is a technique used during debating that focuses on overwhelming an opponent with as many arguments as possible, without regard for accuracy or strength of the arguments. The term was coined by Eugenie Scott and named after the creationist Duane Gish, who used the technique frequently against proponents of evolution.[1][2]
paradiso
Your behavior is a variant of this.
Ana_Ng
well it’s easy to think you are superior when nobody factors in the amount of jet fuel burned to get strawberries in january
paradiso
There it is.
paradiso
You don't need to feel inferior, Ana_Ng!
paradiso
That's what this is all about.
paradiso
You don't need to feel bad.
abumphone
omg it's bbunni
Ana_Ng
i already do
Ana_Ng
it’s free
paradiso
Ana_Ng: Why do you care about the amount of jet fuel burned?
Ana_Ng
air quality
paradiso
Aww.
Ana_Ng
depleting resources for gluttony
abumphone
^tetly
paradiso
You realize the carnist diet, in this exact regard, is much worse than veganism, right.
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paradiso
It's just embarrassing.
paradiso
The number one thing you can do in the West to reduce your carbon footprint is become a vegan.
Ana_Ng
eating locally is better than anything
paradiso
Ana_Ng: You introduced this topic of 10k mile trips.
paradiso
And now you're taking up the other side.
paradiso
That's what we call a strawman fallacy.
paradiso
It doesn't work on me.
abumphone
People act tough about vegans until you start talking about eating dogs for food, then they buckle like Trump's arteries
Ana_Ng
flying bananas or flying beef from brazil
Ana_Ng
same thing
paradiso
Incorrect.
Roanoke
im not becoming vegan. im trying to become a soup/yoda/jedi/master
paradiso
The number one thing a person in the West can do to reduce their carbon footprint is to become a vegan.
paradiso
It's not remotely close.
paradiso
A distant second is marked reduction in travel.
paradiso
Of course I've done the research.
paradiso
Of course you haven't.
Roanoke
like a super soup nazi/Hogwarth potion master !
paradiso
You're literally just confabulating whole points so you don't have to feel bad.
paradiso
Because you have a weak mind.
abumphone
^tetly
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Ana_Ng
i am saying don’t go feeling superior when you probably have tossed out 1,000 water bottles in your life and drive a car 2 miles to buy mangoes
paradiso
Nobody mentioned anybody being superior.
paradiso
You brought that up.
Roanoke
yeah. ground every airplane. i'll get let customers at the hotel.
paradiso
You probably literally aren't aware of that.
paradiso
It's wild.
paradiso
You're in this persistent, delusional haze.
paradiso
You felt inferior, because you suspect I'm right.
06:53 paradiso
And then you projected that onto me.
Ana_Ng
hahaha
paradiso
Ana_Ng: I put you on ignore for a month.
paradiso
Your mind is atrocious compared to what I'm seeking.