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That one time rdv almost fired me from Snoonet staff over IRCX nonsense

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  1. irc.snoonet.org #staff
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  3. [2014-04-12 22:59:05] <redv> we need a poll for the site
  4. [2014-04-12 23:00:06] <Techman> A poll for what
  5. [2014-04-12 23:00:39] <flotwig> "favorite staff member"
  6. [2014-04-12 23:00:51] <flotwig> we all know ThatOneRoadie would win
  7. [2014-04-12 23:01:29] <Techman> :(
  8. [2014-04-12 23:01:31] — Techman cries
  9. [2014-04-12 23:01:42] <flotwig> "sexiest staff member" Techman
  10. [2014-04-12 23:01:52] <Techman> No I'm not the sexiest staff member
  11. [2014-04-12 23:01:56] <flotwig> "most likely to beat your ass" redv
  12. [2014-04-12 23:01:58] <Techman> I'll give that up to greenduch
  13. [2014-04-12 23:02:00] <Techman> or somebody
  14. [2014-04-12 23:02:15] <flotwig> i remember we had a "faces of snoonet" page a while back
  15. [2014-04-12 23:03:55] <redv> a poll for changes in the snoonet config
  16. [2014-04-12 23:04:15] <redv> I kind of want to add owner (. symbol), mode +q
  17. [2014-04-12 23:04:48] <flotwig> isn't it typically ~?
  18. [2014-04-12 23:04:52] <flotwig> and +a gives &?
  19. [2014-04-12 23:05:22] <redv> typically yes but clients like xchat, mIRC, irssi recognize the . symbol as owner
  20. [2014-04-12 23:05:25] <redv> (mode +q)
  21. [2014-04-12 23:05:36] <redv> for scripts etc
  22. [2014-04-12 23:05:46] <Techman> ~ is +q (owner)
  23. [2014-04-12 23:05:56] <redv> we can change it
  24. [2014-04-12 23:05:58] <Techman> & is +a (protect/admin)
  25. [2014-04-12 23:06:05] <redv> owner was first introduced by IRCx
  26. [2014-04-12 23:06:06] <Techman> Yes but why would you go out of the norm redv
  27. [2014-04-12 23:06:12] <redv> which is the IRC extended protocol
  28. [2014-04-12 23:06:19] <redv> the norm?
  29. [2014-04-12 23:06:24] <Techman> The norm is ~ for +q
  30. [2014-04-12 23:06:31] <redv> to you it is
  31. [2014-04-12 23:06:39] <redv> to people who've been on IRC A LOT longer, it's not
  32. [2014-04-12 23:06:40] <Techman> No, check every IRC network that has +q
  33. [2014-04-12 23:06:49] <Techman> they almost always have ~
  34. [2014-04-12 23:06:53] <redv> that's because they changed it from ~ to .
  35. [2014-04-12 23:06:56] <redv> I don't want ~.
  36. [2014-04-12 23:07:06] <redv> from . to ~*
  37. [2014-04-12 23:07:24] <flotwig> i don't think so, i don't think i've ever seen . except on one really small server
  38. [2014-04-12 23:07:32] <Techman> Yes
  39. [2014-04-12 23:07:36] <Techman> . is not the norm
  40. [2014-04-12 23:07:44] <Techman> I don't know why snoonet has to try to distance itself from the norm
  41. [2014-04-12 23:07:49] <Techman> when most clients look for ~
  42. [2014-04-12 23:08:36] <redv> I don't understand your comments sometimes
  43. [2014-04-12 23:08:37] <flotwig> "2 levels above op is called Owner, given the mode string designation +q, and is represented by the ASCII ~ (tilde)."
  44. [2014-04-12 23:08:43] <flotwig> http://xchatdata.net/Using/UserlistStatusIcons
  45. [2014-04-12 23:08:53] <redv> I don't see how, in any fucking way possible that snoonet tries to distance itself from 'the norm'
  46. [2014-04-12 23:09:22] <Techman> If you choose . as owner prefix that is distancing itself from the norm
  47. [2014-04-12 23:09:45] <Techman> Every single network I'm on that has owner is ~
  48. [2014-04-12 23:10:13] <redv> ~ looks retarded
  49. [2014-04-12 23:10:36] <Techman> No it doesn't
  50. [2014-04-12 23:10:42] <Techman> It is a tilde
  51. [2014-04-12 23:10:51] <redv> it looks retarded.
  52. [2014-04-12 23:10:53] <Techman> <~Techman> vs <.Techman>
  53. [2014-04-12 23:11:01] <Techman> which makes more sense?
  54. [2014-04-12 23:11:05] <flotwig> i think we should use a } to symbolize our uniquity
  55. [2014-04-12 23:11:07] <Techman> I'd choose the former
  56. [2014-04-12 23:11:11] <redv> it's not about 'making sense'
  57. [2014-04-12 23:11:22] <flotwig> can i quote you on that? :)
  58. [2014-04-12 23:11:24] <Techman> If we don't make sense how do you expect communities to use us?
  59. [2014-04-12 23:11:50] <redv> Techman: please fuck off.
  60. [2014-04-12 23:12:04] <Techman> I'm trying to tell you what makes sense irc wise
  61. [2014-04-12 23:12:11] <Techman> not something about "IRCx"
  62. [2014-04-12 23:13:24] <redv> whether it's a ~ or a . it doesn't affect any thing, it will have nothing to do with communities using us
  63. [2014-04-12 23:13:31] <redv> and this, this is why I said we need a poll
  64. [2014-04-12 23:13:32] <Techman> Yes it does
  65. [2014-04-12 23:13:43] <Techman> if we have owner support we need to make it make sense
  66. [2014-04-12 23:13:52] <Techman> Every IRC user I know thinks of owner as ~
  67. [2014-04-12 23:13:57] <Techman> No one except you has said it was .
  68. [2014-04-12 23:14:03] <flotwig> "hey forum what does . mean before a name" "i don't know, you must have a hipster server ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ "
  69. [2014-04-12 23:14:20] <flotwig> "hey forum what does ~ mean before a name" "owner, duh" "thanks"
  70. [2014-04-12 23:15:31] <flotwig> seriously though, i think a poll would be a good idea
  71. [2014-04-12 23:15:40] <redv> 7.1. OWNER (IRCX +q)
  72. [2014-04-12 23:15:40] <redv> The OWNER mode indicates that the user is an owner of a
  73. [2014-04-12 23:15:40] <redv> channel. Only a channel owner can give OWNER mode to another
  74. [2014-04-12 23:15:40] <redv> member of that channel, but any owner may remove OWNER mode
  75. [2014-04-12 23:15:40] <redv> from themselves.
  76. [2014-04-12 23:15:40] <redv> Clients in IRCX mode see owner nicknames with a '.' prefix
  77. [2014-04-12 23:15:40] <redv> and continue to see hosts with a '@' prefix (in results
  78. [2014-04-12 23:15:40] <redv> from NAMES, WHO, WHOIS and other commands which list
  79. [2014-04-12 23:15:40] <redv> nicknames).
  80. [2014-04-12 23:15:41] <redv> Note that HOST mode uses +o, which was "operator" mode in
  81. [2014-04-12 23:15:41] <redv> RFC1459. Syntax for these modes is the same as "operator"
  82. [2014-04-12 23:15:41] <redv> mode:
  83. [2014-04-12 23:15:41] <redv> MODE <channel> { + | - }q <nick>
  84. [2014-04-12 23:15:55] <flotwig> congratulations, you can read IRCx information
  85. [2014-04-12 23:16:03] <flotwig> that's never used that way in practice
  86. [2014-04-12 23:16:05] <flotwig> seriously though, i think a poll would be a good idea
  87. [2014-04-12 23:16:07] <redv> we are not IRCx, I know this. I just like the idea of owner being a .
  88. [2014-04-12 23:16:12] <flotwig> aight
  89. [2014-04-12 23:16:20] <flotwig> that's what a poll would be good for
  90. [2014-04-12 23:16:29] <flotwig> settling silly admin debates like this
  91. [2014-04-12 23:16:54] <flotwig> also like, maybe a suggestions box kind of thing
  92. [2014-04-12 23:17:11] <flotwig> there's no real forum for users to formally suggest features, so we should add a way to facilitate that
  93. [2014-04-12 23:17:33] <flotwig> see how we can further cater to the reddit/subreddit owner community
  94. [2014-04-12 23:18:26] <flotwig> what do you think?
  95. [2014-04-12 23:19:46] <Ego> I think, therefore I am.
  96. [2014-04-12 23:19:56] <flotwig> 2brite4me
  97. [2014-04-12 23:37:00] <Techman> 11:35 PM <@SaberUK> haha oh wow
  98. [2014-04-12 23:37:00] <Techman> 11:35 PM <@SaberUK> IRCX?
  99. [2014-04-12 23:37:00] <Techman> 11:36 PM <@SaberUK> Techman: ask them to name networks which actually implement this
  100. [2014-04-12 23:37:09] <Techman> ^ InspIRCd Developer
  101. [2014-04-12 23:44:53] <redv> I don't know what that's in reference to
  102. [2014-04-12 23:45:02] <redv> implement what?
  103. [2014-04-12 23:45:47] <redv> and IRCx was on irc.msn.com , in 1998
  104. [2014-04-12 23:46:06] <redv> why are you pasting things I talk about in this private channel?
  105. [2014-04-12 23:46:46] <flotwig> what do you guys think about implementing a suggestions box
  106. [2014-04-12 23:47:16] <redv> that's what I'd like, the post I have on snoonet.org asks them to post to the subreddit
  107. [2014-04-12 23:48:56] <flotwig> maybe do a memoserv thing too "Snoonet's still growing! If you have requests or suggestions for features, we'd love to hear them! Post in /r/snoonet with your idea!"
  108. [2014-04-12 23:49:03] <flotwig> where's the post?
  109. [2014-04-12 23:49:42] <redv> www.snoonet.org
  110. [2014-04-12 23:49:54] <flotwig> no shit lol
  111. [2014-04-12 23:49:57] <flotwig> i mean i don't see it
  112. [2014-04-12 23:50:11] <redv> Snoonet will be turning 2 on Apr 28!
  113. [2014-04-12 23:50:27] <flotwig> oh ok
  114. [2014-04-12 23:50:30] <flotwig> that mouse print
  115. [2014-04-12 23:52:10] <flotwig> you should add it to infoserv, so users see it when they connect
  116. [2014-04-12 23:52:34] <flotwig> i feel like there's a lot of input we miss out on because users feel like they can't communicate it over IRC and be taken seriously
  117. [2014-04-12 23:54:30] <redv> I've already suggested that
  118. [2014-04-12 23:54:47] <redv> I'm building a bot in php (cbx) that will be able to tie things from the site and the IRCd
  119. [2014-04-12 23:55:21] <redv> also keep logs of floods, etc, all useful information that can be accessed via a website
  120. [2014-04-12 23:56:00] <flotwig> go ahead and add it to infoserv then, i don't think anybody wouldn't be for that
  121. [2014-04-12 23:57:27] <redv> feel free
  122. [2014-04-12 23:57:43] <flotwig> i don't have sadmin anymore
  123. [2014-04-12 23:57:49] <flotwig> or oper
  124. [2014-04-12 23:59:50] * You kicked Techman (we'll let you know when you can rejoin this chan, if at all.)
  125. [2014-04-13 13:56:55] → Joined channel #staff
  126. [2014-04-13 13:56:55] * Replaying up to 20 lines of pre-join history spanning up to 300 seconds
  127. [2014-04-13 13:56:55] <Paradox> !op
  128. [2014-04-13 13:56:55] * ButtServ set +o Techman
  129. [2014-04-13 13:56:55] * Channel mode is +HPinst 20:300
  130. [2014-04-13 13:56:55] * Channel timestamp is 1335646564
  131. [2014-04-13 13:56:56] <Paradox> redv why are you kicking techman out?
  132. [2014-04-13 13:57:05] <Paradox> because he had a disagreement with you?
  133. [2014-04-13 13:57:21] <Paradox> he's very knowledgeable about IRC and particularly atheme and insp
  134. [2014-04-13 13:57:31] <Paradox> im not trying to be inflammatory
  135. [2014-04-13 13:57:34] <Paradox> i just wanna know the whole story
  136. [2014-04-13 13:57:43] <Paradox> and thats what i've been told by a few people, wanna hear all sides of the story though
  137. [2014-04-13 14:46:58] <neoinr> what's going on?
  138.  
  139. (rdv never answered publicly after this)
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