Emotions, relationships, communication, Greta Thunberg

17:06 paradiso
I was so happy to see Greta Thunberg win the Time Person of the Year.
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It was the obvious choice, but she's such a wonderful person.
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I want to be more like Greta when I grow up.
jiggawatz
greta sucks man
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i'll explain why
17:07 paradiso
This is going to involve conspiracy theories.
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But, I'll give you an opportunity.
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jiggawatz
her cause is correct, her solutions are retarded
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the real solution is to get the polluters to stop polluting
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that means russia, india, china
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until  you do that
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stop screaming your idiot head off
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An interesting analysis.
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What are her solutions?
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the REAL polluters
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jiggawatz
another thing i hate about greta thunberg is she's not even mad at the bitches who had 4 billion babies in 40 years
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who caused al lthis
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out of control breeding
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She's a citizen of Sweden.
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jiggawatz: You're galloping.
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destroyed the planet
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One point at a time.
jiggawatz
good riddance
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why
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What are her solutions?
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i can make two points
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who cares
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You cannot.
jiggawatz
let the planet die
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good riddance
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stupid breeder monkeys
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You've already collapsed?
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It's been 27 seconds.
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A citizen of Sweden will probably have the most influence on Sweden, right.
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And then on the EU, right.
jiggawatz
paradiso:  the human population doubled from 4 to 8 billion in FORTY YEARS.
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And then on the West, right.
jiggawatz
paradiso:  the human population doubled from 4 to 8 billion in FORTY YEARS.
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paradiso:  the human population doubled from 4 to 8 billion in FORTY YEARS.
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jiggawatz: I'll ignore you on your next fallacy.
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Typing three posts in a row is a sign of mental collapse.
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Be better.
jiggawatz
what is fallacious about that
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moron
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jiggawatz: That was an ad hominem.
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You just behaved far, far, far more trashy than a 16-year old from Sweden.
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Your punishment will be three months.
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I'm reasonably happy with my prediction.
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I was surprised you were even on board with climate change, so I was wrong about that.
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Your claim about criticizing the 16-year old Swedish girl because she should really be focusing on China -- where she has no influence, was dumb, though, of course.
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Turns out, it's difficult to get rival, autocratic regimes to do what we want them to do.
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How do we get rival, autocratic regimes to do what we want them to do?
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First, we do it ourselves in as large a coalition as possible -- that's what Greta is working on.
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Then, we can put economic and political pressure on those rival, autocratic regimes.
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Also, if we're unable to move their policies, we'll have mitigated the problem by focusing on our own homes.
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Asking autocratic China to modify its climate emissions when we're not doing the same already is what we call 'negotiating from a position of weakness', Jigsaww the Collapsed.
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For anybody who is watching, what jiggawatz was doing is called whataboutism.
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Instead of evaluating Greta on her direct efforts -- mobilizing those parts of the world that can be mobilized -- jiggawatz asks, "What about this even much harder problem?!"
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It's the classic technique our billionaire oligarchs use to disrupt any challenges to their power.
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Of course, jiggawatz isn't a billionaire oligarch, he just lacks critical thinking skills, as witnessed by his collapse into fallacies in about 1.3 minutes.
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Including typing three posts in a row because he had already lost his emotional cool -- unlikely that annoying female on Netflix.
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So, he repeats billionaire oligarchs' propaganda in here with "What about China?!" because when you don't have a developed mind you become prey to smarter, more organized minds.
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By analogy, for those people on jiggawatz's intelligence level:
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And first, allow me to say, "I'm sorry"...
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Before you take on a challenge in your persona life, Like, say, exercising 25 minutes a day, 6 days a week, you might focus on something easier, like exercising twice a week for 15 minutes.
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If somebody interrupts you during your efforts at the easier goal with the "Whatabout becoming a marathon runner, though?!", imagine how you'd look at them.
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You look at their face with just incredible realization of their idiocy, right.
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hello
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"Well, I'm not ready to be a marathon runner, clearly, as I can't even do my 15-minutes twice a week, right."
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Anybody who talked like that on any issue in your life would immediately out themself as a gigantic moron.
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This is who jiggawatz is.
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And it's all because Greta Thunberg tilts him.
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A 16-year old girl from Sweden who isn't focusing all her efforts on China.
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As China is notoriously open to influence from outsiders.
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Yes, China is the largest emitter of CO2 in the world. Yes, it's very difficult to solve that problem. Yes, this is a flaw in human governance systems in Earth in our lifetime.
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Technically, the best the West can do is probably develop sufficiently green technologies that can counterbalance the emissions of China.
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This, of course, provides problematic incentives for different actors in your game -- one is creating externalities and other is paying for them.
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This encourages, as it does in small-scale relationships, one party to not reform.
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This is a well-known problem throughout the economic and political literature.
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It's a manifestation of game theory.
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It's very difficult to solve.
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Of course, China feels internal pressure from the environmental changes of its own technologies, e.g. massive pollution in its largest cities, and so it feels pressure to reform its technologies.
xartet
any white people here eating soup for dinner
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If Chinese citizens could see the benefits of living in a green West, that would further pressure the CCP to accelerate its economic transition.
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Unfortunately, the CCP has massive control over outside sources of information.
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There is no known solution to this, except a disruptive technology that circumvents their current status quo, or warfare.
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Both of those are not great solutions, and China is probably just as likely to develop technological innovations to disrupt our green society consensus as vice versa.
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It turns out, international politics is difficult.
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But, jiggawatz would just scream into the skies, "What about China, Greta???!"
xartet
i guess asian people like soup too but white people are big time soup fans i've noticed
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jiggawatz: Final point.
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I was surprised you were on the Basement Ledger -- I probably placed you there in an ad hoc manner without notating your status -- but we respect the Ledger, of course.
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And so I allowed you into the living room for cocktails and conversation.
17:26 paradiso
You then shat on yourself, in 1.3 minutes, and so now we have an entry for your Excommunicado status in the Basement of Forgotten Souls.
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I wish you luck with your peers around the 90-110 IQ level.
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May your impulsive emotions ever sync up with those around you, as y'all probably don't have the ability to navigate meaningfully any disputes that arise.
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Truth be told, it isn't that great at the 125-130 level, sometimes, either.
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There, we just adopt strong emotional positions, without any communication, and then request others respect our emotions while we don't respect their emotions even as they communicate thoroughly with us.
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But, once you get above the 140 level it starts to clear up.
17:28 xartet
khazar milkers hanging heavy
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"Here is my internal state. Here is an action. Here is how the action makes me feel. What is your position? How can we negotiate a resolution to this conflict? A break? No, I don't need a break as I am not overcome by my emotions, silly."
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"Of course I'll explain my reasoning, as I recognize that people having intense emotions that affect their interactions with others while not communicating those emotions is a canonical way to create unnecessary conflict in my relationships. Do I need to get drunk? What? Why would I drink to help me resolve an emotional problem?"
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(Sometimes people sneak into the >140 club.)
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"So, you're experiencing an intense emotion that is preventing you from desiring to continue? But I'm experiencing an emotion to continue. This is a conflict. How should we resolve that conflict? Your proposal is for us to adopt your unilateral, ambiguous, emotionally-overwhelmed centric approach. That would promote unilateralism and is ultimately corrosive to team building. You see that right?"
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"My approach says, 'Even if you're upset, you continue trying to resolve the problem, at least for awhile.'That promotes emotional strength as we don't generate patterns that we get to run away from challenges and it promotes team building and a sense of duty between members of a community. You can see how those are long-term healthy, right?"
xartet
i've been dealing with these raw taste buds on the tip of my tongue for the past couple of days
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highly annoying
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It's wild to me that many women can recognize toxic masculinity but appear to struggle to recognize toxic femininity.
17:34 xartet
took you long enough
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An example of toxic masculinity: A male who is not an expert on a topic leverage his size or higher confidence levels for intellectual prestige on the topic they're not an expert on, especially if the female is smarter than them on that topic.
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An example of toxic femininity: A female who experiences strong, overwhelming emotions that substantially effect her interactions with those around her, but won't meaningfully communicate those emotions she's experiencing to those who are being affected by those emotions while not demonstrating a concern for their effects of her emotions.
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If you're a male, or not, please try to avoid minimum toxic masculinity traits -- if you're not an expert, say, "I'm dumb on this topic: What do you think?"
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It's really, really embarrassing when you act like harminov or segue or any of the loser males in this channel that are so insecure they cannot admit any weakness.
xartet
not that i recall. what i think happened is i accidently ripped a layer off my tongue or something because when i sleep with my baseboard heaters on, i always wake up with a crazxy fucked up mouth
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super dry and caked with half dry saliva and shit
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and i think something dried on or my tongue itself just dried up
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and now these tastebuds are fucked up
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If you're a female, or not, please try to avoid minimum toxic femininity traits -- if you're finding yourself easily hurt and overwhelmed by your emotions, work on not allowing yourself to run away from those emotions. Set timers that require you to sit in your emotion for some period, like exercise. Practice mindfulness techniques that help you dissociate your identity from whatever emotions you're currently exper
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iencing. Generate a sense of duty to those you're affecting with your emotion, even if you struggle to name or articulate causality for your emotions.
xartet
yeah i probably also have mild sleep apnea
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It's really, really embarrassing when a grown ass female with a family cannot manage her emotions in chat. It speaks to a comprehensive, core problem with one's mind and it should bother you deeply.