<Kirigiri> Can you be a little discrete?

<Kirigiri> Please

<Kirigiri> Just before you say anything implying I complained

<Kirigiri> :/

<Kirigiri> Im tired out hurt etc

<Nycto{Siouxsie}> So I'm reading the logs. Why don't you tell me your side of the story?

<Kirigiri> I put it in there... since there is so much log to read...

<Nycto{Siouxsie}> I know, which is why I am reading it. I just thought you might want to talk it out.

<Kirigiri> :3

<Kirigiri> Oh

<Kirigiri> Hm nah

<Kirigiri> fuck this burrito is so spicy

<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Ok, read through everything.

<Nycto{Siouxsie}> So where so we stand now?

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<Kirigiri> Hmm?

<Nycto{Siouxsie}> wb

<Kirigiri> Im back Nycto{Siouxsie}

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<Siouxsie{Nycto}> sorry about that.
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> {so, what now?}
<Kirigiri> Well what were your thoughts
<Kirigiri> I dont know what now :P
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> {Well, Damarus swears a lot. He ignored you. Tempers were flared all over the place.}
<Kirigiri> And on Malfael?
<Kirigiri> Do you agree or disagree with Malfael?
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> On what point?
<Kirigiri> On hervarious points in the PM
<Kirigiri> About it being my fault, and what she said about my behavior in the PM itself
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> Depends on what "it" is. Everyone wanted to de-escalate the situation. The best way to do that was to drop it. But you kept going, then took it to pm. It stopped being a problem in the chat, and then went to an interpersonal issue.
<Kirigiri> No, nothing kept it going
<Kirigiri> Comments about ignoring being a good choice but not spamming for future conflict? That was me communicating, "Hey, dont let him do X" and I was ignored
<Kirigiri> So thats not even a valid criticism
<Kirigiri> Ignore means they cant see what Im saying
<Kirigiri> That cant be ignored and it also cant be ignored that what I later said wasn't about him ignoring me, that became a new situation, and you didnt give your comments on the in-PM comments yet, just said that I took it to PM
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> Ok, how about this. http://pastebin.com/G6X69yNn Those are the rules. Tell me how they were broken and by whom. Making it simple.
<Kirigiri> I don't think rules even extend to PM
<Kirigiri> I wanted -your- comments on what she said
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> They don't and I have no authority there.
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> So that stuff is moot, and my opinions about it are unimportant as far as the channel goes.
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> I still don't know what, exactly, you want.
<Kirigiri> ...your comments
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> Fae got mad and told you off. In pm, which is none of my business.
<Kirigiri> But it was a moderator discussion
<Kirigiri> Are you saying you ddint read it?
<Kirigiri> I only took it out of channel to keep from being banned.
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> dude. You weren't going to get banned. Mods are supposed to give warnings and stuff here first.
<Kirigiri> And I also asked if you had agreed would you keep a look out for mod bias... I thought since you were channel founder you could be of comfort and help
<Kirigiri> -.-
<Kirigiri> Im started to think you did not read it...
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> I am trying to keep an eye out for mod bias.
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> I read it, but it was pretty long and complex. You guys went all over the place.
<Kirigiri> It was already implied that I'd be banned if I said anything else in there
<Kirigiri> "[19:44] Malfael I'm going to warn you one last time. Move. On. Kirigiri."
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> Fae doesn't like you, sure. But she mods fairly. That's why I asked her to be a mod.
<Kirigiri> And for her it didnt matter what it was on, if it was in any way stemmed -from- it
<Kirigiri> Well if you think her comments on the conflict/etc and the moderation feedback in PM was fair you could just say that
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> Ok, fair enough, that was a pretty stern threat, but the next step up would have been a kick, not a ban.
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> It's in the rules for the mods.
<Kirigiri> Ah well I dont want to be kicked either, guess its better than a ban tho
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> I'm not saying her pm with youw as fair or not. I'm saying pm's are really none of my biz, and outside my jusitiction. You guys can fight all you want in pms.
<Kirigiri> But this was on moderation, you see?
<Kirigiri> I think in channels people at least have rules or expectations in place about how mods should behave when they have a mod complaint
<Kirigiri> You shouldnt just say you have no comments on how a mod handles mod complaints
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> Mod complaints should be taken up with me, since I am the owner of the channel. Not the mod you have an issue with.
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> I am looking at the moderator's actions, in chat.
<Kirigiri> I mean, am I to think if something really unfair (as far as mod complaints go) goes down in PM that you will just... not say anything? I guess I could just go straight to you if I had a complaint before going in PM but then that would bring up "Well damn Kiri, you went and told he owner on me and didnt even try to talk to me about it"
<Kirigiri> Oh
<Kirigiri> Well Im used to that rule
<Kirigiri> In the .info channels if you have a problem with a mod you are ordered to take it to PM or the mod channel
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> I tried to talk to you about it, but you didn't want to tell me your side of the story or what you wanted.
<Kirigiri> ...It was in the pastebin
<Kirigiri> My side was all typed out
<Kirigiri> and what I wanted was in the memos
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> No, the convos were in the pastebin. You haven't told me what you want.
<Kirigiri> More than the convos were in there
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> I only got the one. :/
<Kirigiri> Can you show me the memos?
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> Which is why I asked.
<Kirigiri> There were multiple Pastebins within the pastebin as well as my comments on her
<Kirigiri> And I thought I said something in the memo
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> hey can you keep a watch out for Fae and tell me how you interpret this situation? I'm about to give you a pastebin of a moderation convo I had with fae and then my comments to metal after
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> http://pastebin.com/8nAvWdBD Read this... has all the PB links and stuff... and I would prefer you not to say anything to Fae at least without telling me before you do? I dont think itd do any good and Id be caught off guard.
<Kirigiri> Yeah I just wanted a watch out for Fae and your interpretations... then, I had put my side of the story in the PM with Metal and on the pastebin itself
<Kirigiri> Since I had already said it all to Metal
<Kirigiri> I thought it would be ok if you just read the PM to Metal
<Kirigiri> Siouxsie{Nycto} you busy?
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> I'm re-reading everything since you won't just give me a tldr version.
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> I read the whole issue in chat. Ok. She told you both to knock it off. Damarus dide. whoo. You didn't. Fae warned you again. Metal did too. woo. Then you and fae went at it in pm. woo.
<Kirigiri> All I said was that he was acting like akonyte, and from there were only neutral comments and then a statement of my desire that ignore-spam will be conflict-rising in the future
<Kirigiri> There's no TL;DR version of my thoughts that is shorter than the PM to Metal
<Kirigiri> idk why you wont read it
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> I am reading it. I have read it.
<Kirigiri> And you also graze over what I Pmed her for, just said we went at it, Im not sure if you know what I PMed her for
<Kirigiri> Oh ok then those were my thoughts
<Kirigiri> agree/disagree?
<Kirigiri> mix?
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> Who is akonyte?
<Kirigiri> Some guy that likes to announce his Ignores so he can spark conflict while getting to comment about whether or not they are still talking
<Kirigiri> But hes also crazy
<Kirigiri> In the fact that much of the time he is mistaken in what hes ignoring
<Kirigiri> Imagines insults and stuff
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> I don't think that one line counts as spamming, I think it's better to let people know when they are being ignored, and I don't think it will increase conflicts.
<Kirigiri> No i wasnt saying he had spammed his ignores yet or anything
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> As for fae's moderation, she put her personal biases aside and tried to tell both of you to stop fighting, as did metal.
<Kirigiri> Im not putting Metal in the same boat or anything
<Kirigiri> Or even complaining about anything before Damarus had ignored me mod-wise
<Kirigiri> Conflict would be if he would keep making references to it etc
<Kirigiri> That's where it just gets obviously malicious
<Kirigiri> Not that it took much putting aside to be able to have the self control to tell two users to stop. pfft. No points.
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> How was she treating you worse than damarus in the chat?
<Kirigiri> I don't remember saying she was treating me worse than Damarus o.O if I accidentally implied that nvm on that one
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> ok, so if she was modding fairly, then what is the issue? Sure, you don't like her and she doesn't like you, and sure, you and damarus don't like each other, but what do you want me to do about it?
<Kirigiri> I said I wanted you to keep a look out, you said you would do that, and much of my issue was how she handled mod complaint & how what she said showed I might need a look out, not telling you to punish her or anything, altho I also do not think her comments in chat were on target, as I PMed her about it (what they implied to a user who couldnt see me)
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> ok. I will watch her and make sure she mod's fairly.
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> *mods
<Kirigiri> & Next time I will also commit to what you said and go to you rather than the mod itself
* Kirigiri hugs Nycto
* Siouxsie{Nycto} hugs
<Kirigiri> Too late.
<Siouxsie{Nycto}> np prob
<Kirigiri> No rejections