0128 <@lakitu> i have so many papers to sort. i would love some help
170150 <+chonak> what papers?
170154 <@lakitu> coney advised me not to let someone else help tho, because they'd absorb the ideas "thru osmosis"
170208 <@lakitu> writings
170307 <@lakitu> i pretty diligently have a easily sortable system. i can fly thru 300 papers in about 45 minutes, sorting them
170341 <@lakitu> i bought a nice $300 scanner or so
170350 <@lakitu> experimenting with puttingi them on there & sorting them
170415 <@lakitu> at worst i have a backup of my work on paper, then
170530 <@lakitu> brb, checking some breasts i'm cooking up on the stove
171339 <@lakitu> ok
171413 <+chonak> i still dont know what the "papers" are unless you mean newspapers
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172123 <@lakitu> ah. writings
172201 <@lakitu> i would have a lot of time on my hands were i sorting newspapers
172259 <@lakitu> but no, these are writings on paper
172439 <@lakitu> i kind of am coalescing a system.
173044 <+chonak> you wrote 300 papers?
173109 <@lakitu> pages
173111 <@lakitu> let's say
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173222 <@lakitu> just like notes/ideas... basic gumshoein'
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173347 <@lakitu> some are stanzas for poems, some are fragments for just making one 1 line of a poem - & things inbetween
173406 <@lakitu> ideas for later; plans in a way
173446 <@lakitu> e.g political communiques to post. things like that
173611 <@lakitu> philosophy concepts, & other thoughts
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173836 <@lakitu> i have posted some here, so far. mostly creations while i organize: http://joevalentyn.org some (song)poems of mine i mentioned are here: http://joevalentyn.org/press/?s=songpoem & my latest (a political communique): http://joevalentyn.org/press/2019/03/07/international-womens-day-2019-better-the-balance/
173904 <+chonak> oh poems
173908 <+chonak> I know a poet actually
173909 <@lakitu> some of them are
173917 <@lakitu> you know two
173928 <+chonak> She got most of her work into print.  But many of it is still flapping aroun din notebook form
173933 <@lakitu> yep
174003 <@lakitu> that's cool. i have some published friends too
174051 <@lakitu> nowadays it's kind of a whirlwind with the new medium - The Internet. what is possible, how to do it, what is best for print books instead, or in-person teaching, etc
174111 <@lakitu> those are things you wonder about being a content creator in our time
174208 <@lakitu> some people swear it's all "SEO" - search-engine optimization. a lot are pretty sure about 1/3rd of your effort/money should go into advertising (say for a book, i'm thinking)
174246 <@lakitu> i come from the advertising-averse generation. we were starving artists, like i've said - we resented overcommercialization
174345 <@lakitu> the 80s excessive business/corporate-centeredness did not appeal to us
174407 <@lakitu> but when we go to publish our works, we are taught to spend a 1/3rd of our costs on SEO, advertising, marketers
174442 <@lakitu> a disconnect, in a way
174515 <@lakitu> between our culture & what we are told is necessary to get an audience
174613 <@lakitu> hopefully that's some more deeply embedded commercialists myth, & really good content more or less alone wins out
174634 <@lakitu> i really can't say, i'm not a publisher or record company exec, etc
174649 <@lakitu> commercialists'*
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175136 <@lakitu> one big problem for cultural work creators in a capitalist system is being all-ways pressured to 'create to sell' - to not create & publish on the merits of truth, beauty, goodness, etc, but on marketabieness. in my generation we called musical artists who seemed to be manufactured hits 'sell outs' - the ultimate 90s rock artist sin.
175201 <@lakitu> pop rock artist.*
175214 <@lakitu> or rock artist.
175308 <@lakitu> i wonder if that will be lost to cycling culture - maybe rediscovered in similar cultural times - or if it will be a long forgotten quirk of the 1990s
175654 <@lakitu> cultural cycles, i could say
180142 <@lakitu> i do understand the unrealisticness of posting somethingi on some corner of the internet & using sheer willpower ((joking)) to see it taken up. i would not be the person to ask about a recipe for popularizing what you believe is good content using the internet
180314 <@lakitu> i never really threw in the towel - but given the inequality charts i've seen - it seems unlikely in the present Internet to attain measurable fame, possibly without advertising/hiring marketers/"SEO"
180344 <@lakitu> even reddit.com, the people's site, they said, had high levels of reddit-vote inequality, one chart showed. most of the votes managed to get to a few contributors
180905 <@lakitu> some people take a social darwinist take on "the Pareto principle" of 80% going to / being done by 20% of the people ("the Pareto principle") - i really prefer to think that's not what it is, that many cultural work creators have appreciable offerings to many. it's very hard to apportion culture's quirky idiosyncratic haecceities on the scale of a
180905 <@lakitu> country or world, to understand what strategies best serve our interests, & what is just a matter of being beyond our current practices in terms of organization
181116 <@lakitu> as in, being undiscovered advances in the circulation of cultural works
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181405 <@lakitu> ((or i guess, due to an idiosyncrasy of how i use "attain", i should not say 'measurable', but "appreciable", "substantial" etc.)))
182244 <@lakitu> i would love for someone to teach me better - perhaps marden could - on <50s documentary video> "Being Friends With Your Local Marketer Community" - on acquiescing, or accepting, as Jesus taught, that we should render unto Caesar what is his, in our society, & give the capitalist marketer his coin
182420 *@lakitu* be right back.
183332 <+mbog> lakitu - you seem to be flooding the channel. are you ok?
183337 <@lakitu> am i ok?
183353 <@lakitu> you seem to be not chatting, let's check you first =)
183501 <@lakitu> did you have any specific complaints to any of the ideas?
183549 <+mbog> just got here, didn't read them. it looked like a flood
183605 <@lakitu> ok. a lot of words - must be bad. avoid libraries
183613 <@lakitu> lol ^_^
183857 <@lakitu> as a whole, The Internet, i was beginning to say, seems very fruitful, despite my localized complaints about centralization, & inequality vs. "Pareto" views of fame - & the slow painstaking process of democratizing fame as best serve our interests, etc, re the :quirky idiosyncratic haecceities of culture". it is a high crop
183919 <@lakitu> :/"
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184143 <@lakitu> death card re-user
184237 *@lakitu* making a backreference to something
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184638 <@lakitu> as best serves.*
184808 <@lakitu> views/interpretations
184857 <@lakitu> zebulon: i wonder what the etymology of interpretation is
185038 Nick: FreqOut -> ControlFreq
185111 <@lakitu> ControlFreq wb
185121 <+ControlFreq> Hello lakitu! Thanks
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185140 <@lakitu> hey mazy^grace
185149 <+mazy^grace> hiya lakitu
185213 <+ControlFreq> Hi Dollface!
185215 <+mazy^grace> having issues with my Tivo
185215 <@lakitu> was just saying hello to ControlFreq, & discussing the requirements of content creators on The Internet, etc
185221 <+mazy^grace> 'howdy ControlFreq *fistbumps* =@@=
185226 <+mazy^grace> you slay me ControlFreq
185235 <+ControlFreq> Requirements?
185254 <+ControlFreq> There are none, other than (very) basic literacy and keyboard skills.
185309 <@lakitu> they say that is a misconception, many sites
185330 <@lakitu> e.g was talking about the 90s kid generation facing the commercial requirements of 'marketing', 'advertising'
185336 <@lakitu> 'SEO'
185352 <@lakitu> giving Caesar what is his - i was saying
185401 <@lakitu> the capitalist marketer, of our society
185418 <+mazy^grace> oh wow, fixed my TIVO
185419 <+mazy^grace> :)
185422 <@lakitu> cool
185435 <@lakitu> even on reddit.com, i said,  they show charts of a high amount of inequality for reddit votes
185525 <@lakitu> so i was discussing my perspective on that, as a 90s punker
185545 <@lakitu> 90s/2000s
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185601 <@lakitu> e.g the starving artist generation - of sorts
185617 <+ControlFreq> Since I brought it up the other day, my two job interviews went well, with the second much better than the first.
185623 <@lakitu> good
185706 <@lakitu> glad to hear it
185726 <@lakitu> it was a good scroll, you should read it if you get the chance
185729 <+nia-> lol
185740 <+ControlFreq> .........and......of course, I'm out of the office next week on outside training. I'm sure the call will come to my desk then
185911 <+nia-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw7qC2aPfos
185925 <@lakitu> i also complained about the lack of centralization, too, on The Internet. we grew up, for music, with MTV, state radio stations. today its pretty scattered, i worry a little we lose a shared experience as a community
185946 <@lakitu> news would be the bigger worry for this
190028 <@lakitu> & as theorized, we have problems wrangling social media & internet periodical journalism under one roof
190131 <+nia-> !seen slowfi
190153 <@lakitu> as one functional thing. i love social media, don't get me wrong. but we went from about 3 major news networks, to a very big spectrum of news sources
190244 <@lakitu> a very large array.
190420 <@lakitu> the established journalistic standards being kept across the vast majority of upstart periodicals is low.
190717 <@lakitu> but that doesn't have to be. i would imagine if we organized our journalistic education - maybe with some outreach, master classes, & especially circulation of tried & true principles, & explanations / examples of their being put to use, we could get everyone marching in step, in terms of journalistic standards. we need to improve our standards for
190717 <@lakitu>  our information sources, i would say, besides filtering out spam from malicious sources
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