Juxta gets run

20:42:55 <%ReubenMcHawk> oh hey tin and willy are global mods, gratz guys
20:43:07 <%ReubenMcHawk> glad to see they finally realized that section mods are a useless concept
20:46:26 <%EldredChandler> thats what I said
20:47:13 <%ReubenMcHawk> did they have a formal announcement somewhere that i missed
20:47:18 <%ReubenMcHawk> or did they just do this
20:48:02 <%EldredChandler> next order of business, mod me
20:48:05 <%EldredChandler> B)
20:48:37 <%EldredChandler> and itll probbaly be on the next news letter thing ReubenMcHawk
20:49:25 <%ReubenMcHawk> i doubt we're ever getting mod
20:49:32 <%ReubenMcHawk> juxta's a whiny baby
20:49:42 <%EldredChandler> no bullying
20:49:50 <&Juxta> waaaa waaaa
20:50:28 <%ReubenMcHawk> <3
20:51:06 <&Juxta> yes thrilled tin and willy got promoted, most deserving
20:51:13 <%ReubenMcHawk> same
20:51:15 <&Juxta> but it's not for the reason you stated
20:51:26 <&Juxta> section mods have their uses
20:51:33 <&Juxta> but i digress
20:51:35 <%EldredChandler> they do
20:51:36 <%EldredChandler> but
20:51:44 <%ReubenMcHawk> yeah, to do mod stuff in one certain section
20:51:49 <%EldredChandler> it makes more sense to have more global mods then a ton of sectionals
20:51:57 <%ReubenMcHawk> and then they're useless when shit needs doing in another section
20:52:03 <%ReubenMcHawk> and that section's mod is mia
20:52:08 <&Juxta> well too many cooks have been known to spoil the broth
20:52:15 <%ReubenMcHawk> they're all cooks though
20:52:18 <&Juxta> but right now, more direct help is needed
20:52:24 <%ReubenMcHawk> and this community is practically dead anyway
20:52:36 <%ReubenMcHawk> everyone wants change but they're too lazy to do shit
20:52:37 <%EldredChandler> if more help is need get more
20:52:42 <%EldredChandler> people have offered
20:52:44 <%ReubenMcHawk> more help is clearly needed
20:52:50 <&Juxta> there is always talk of change i agree
20:53:09 <%ReubenMcHawk> my name's been in the hat for 2 years but people are probably still mad that i broke blocks 3 years ago
20:53:11 <%ReubenMcHawk> so rip
20:53:30 <&Juxta> sorry the sorting hat has spoken
20:53:41 <%ReubenMcHawk> nice rhetoric
20:53:50 <%ReubenMcHawk> oh well i'll just stick to backseat moderation
20:53:53 <%ReubenMcHawk> more fun anyway
20:54:05 <&Juxta> because you're never responsible for anything
20:54:12 <&Juxta> only your own actual deeds
20:54:12 <%ReubenMcHawk> never said i wasn't
20:54:16 <&Juxta> no i know
20:54:16 <%ReubenMcHawk> not sure where you got that from
20:54:20 <&Juxta> but that's why it's fun right
20:54:30 <%ReubenMcHawk> basically yeah
20:54:38 <%ReubenMcHawk> i mean there's not much to be responsible for as it is
20:54:51 <&Juxta> true enough
20:55:09 <%ReubenMcHawk> you have a forum for a dead game, an irc channel for said game, and a server list that you have zero control over
20:55:56 <%ReubenMcHawk> oh also things that have been "coming soon" for like two years now
20:56:03 <%ReubenMcHawk> with no update on past "it's coming"
20:56:26 <&Juxta> I have faith, but maybe I'm naive
20:56:51 <%ReubenMcHawk> didnt the openspades guy fuck off too?
20:56:54 <%ReubenMcHawk> yvt or whoever
20:56:54 <%EldredChandler> yvt?
20:56:56 <%ReubenMcHawk> ya
20:57:00 <%EldredChandler> Hes in uni/whatever
20:57:05 <%EldredChandler> hes probably really busy
20:57:10 <%ReubenMcHawk> makes sense
20:57:16 <%EldredChandler> ast update was Mays-ish iirc
20:57:31 <%EldredChandler> but theres not a ton for him to do anyways
20:57:37 <%ReubenMcHawk> ultimately even if i had the ability to bring about change i doubt i would
20:57:50 <%ReubenMcHawk> all i'd get is a bunch of thankless babies upset because they didn't get their way
20:58:07 <&Juxta> Honestly the main routes we could take are: a) better remake or b) amazing reimagining
20:58:19 <&Juxta> both essentially the same
20:58:50 <&Juxta> either way some sort of version transition has to happen
20:58:56 <%EldredChandler> better hope Br keeps on working on his shit then
20:59:01 <&Juxta> indeed
20:59:02 <%EldredChandler> sicne hes the last one working on those
20:59:04 <%ReubenMcHawk> most of the people with over one brain cell who are actually active on the forums don't even play the game anymore
20:59:32 <&Juxta> is it not good that it's in some ways become a hub to stay in touch
20:59:41 <&Juxta> like our own social network
20:59:53 <%ReubenMcHawk> yeah but there's really barely any common ground for the community to stand on
21:00:04 <%ReubenMcHawk> especially since everyone's intent on splitting things by versions and clients and shit
21:00:07 <&Juxta> intersting
21:00:12 <%EldredChandler> it wont help the game stay alive being a place for people already there to argue
21:00:20 <%ReubenMcHawk> "waah openspades or nothing, ban 0.75 and pinpoint, waaah"
21:00:26 <&Juxta> the league helps but only a little
21:00:41 <%EldredChandler> a social network wont attract new people
21:00:41 <%ReubenMcHawk> league is the closest thing to organization i've seen come out of bns
21:01:05 <%ReubenMcHawk> i mean if you want social networking then convert the site to a facebook page and do lame shit like jagex did
21:01:16 <&Juxta> EldredChandler, true enough but it's great for the active folk who like exploiting that fact
21:01:25 <%ReubenMcHawk> "like this if you got kicked off of a two-bit server by a cheater because there's no auth system yet"
21:01:31 <%EldredChandler> no one actually uses the forum to talk to friends
21:01:40 <%EldredChandler> the social part is arguing with kids
21:01:48 <%ReubenMcHawk> forums are a terrible place to hold a conversation anyway
21:01:58 <%ReubenMcHawk> at least a social one between friends
21:02:01 <%ReubenMcHawk> a debate, yeah
21:02:12 <&Juxta> true enough but the avenues it leads to are far more personal, that's what brings people together
21:02:16 <%EldredChandler> 90% of the posts per hour are just people fighting
21:02:38 <%ReubenMcHawk> that's why i try to drive off the losers, or at least change them for the better
21:02:40 <%EldredChandler> not the type of social hub that helps anything
21:03:02 <%ReubenMcHawk> but then people get upset because when they want advice, they need their hand held for them
21:03:13 <%ReubenMcHawk> probably because their parents brought them up like shit
21:03:50 <%ReubenMcHawk> like those rev fucks, i'm telling them about stuff i'd understand far better than them, and they just disregard it because "boo hoo meanie words"
21:04:36 <%EldredChandler> I don't try to help clans, everyone has thier own strict way of running them its not worth it
21:05:04 <&Juxta> if they're not willing to listen or take your advice, then why keep trying to get it through to them?
21:05:08 <%ReubenMcHawk> i thought rev was an interesting concept (though thinking about it, they just looked at linespqr and said "let's do this")
21:05:23 <%ReubenMcHawk> well then they try punching back
21:05:32 <%ReubenMcHawk> like with shywolf and his whole paste removal business
21:05:40 <&Juxta> siiiiiiiigh
21:05:54 <%ReubenMcHawk> what are you sighing about
21:05:56 <&Juxta> prickly business
21:06:07 <&Juxta> something im glad i missed
21:06:11 <%ReubenMcHawk> pls try using words instead of passive-aggressive deflects
21:06:16 <%EldredChandler> reminds me of dani
21:06:20 <%ReubenMcHawk> lol same
21:06:32 <%ReubenMcHawk> why have a conversation when you can pretend you're above it
21:06:35 <%EldredChandler> but moving back a bit
21:06:49 <%EldredChandler> the new globals were a good move
21:06:54 <&Juxta> ^
21:07:00 <%EldredChandler> I had been saying that for weeks but w/e
21:07:13 <%ReubenMcHawk> Juxta: the tl;dr is i posted some funny channel logs of their public channel, like i'm known to do. shywolf took it upon himself to report it to pastebin because his IP was showing in it (again, public channel)
21:07:28 <%ReubenMcHawk> i reposted it some five times on separate sites before finally just PMing him and telling him to quit
21:07:30 <%ReubenMcHawk> and he quit
21:07:44 <&Juxta> ReubenMcHawk, I'm aware of what happened but I was saying I'm glad I didn't go through it
21:07:48 <%EldredChandler> But Ive helped BNS indirectly anyways
21:07:57 <%EldredChandler> top secret plans are working
21:08:06 <%EldredChandler> well semi directly
21:08:17 <%ReubenMcHawk> i've always been helping since day one
21:08:25 <%ReubenMcHawk> i still take partial credit for gbl being a thing
21:08:54 <&Juxta> because you were the first one on it doesn't mean you invented it :)
21:09:05 <&topo> halo i just made a guy get muted for ragespamming three times in one game
21:09:11 <%ReubenMcHawk> still means i was responsible for it existing :)
21:09:14 <&topo> and also got a 360 headshot on said guy
21:09:26 <%ReubenMcHawk> also it was mostly lexsym's spambot
21:09:32 <&topo> by accident even
21:09:35 <&topo> thats how good i am
21:09:37 <%ReubenMcHawk> i got banned from the forums for his spambot even though i never used it
21:09:38 <%ReubenMcHawk> gj
21:09:45 <&topo> i fucking accidentally 360d someone
21:09:50 <&Juxta> no you didn't
21:09:53 <%EldredChandler> So Juxta does the new gloabls mean they dont want more mods now or what
21:09:53 <&topo> DID
21:09:54 <&Juxta> video?
21:10:04 <&topo> no vid i dont have record '-'
21:10:22 <&Juxta> then clearly you are a lier
21:10:23 <&topo> miiiight start recording my shit sometime soon actually tho
21:10:45 <&topo> or even try streaming with 3g net (lol)
21:10:55 <&Juxta> EldredChandler, the reasons for promotion was because tin and willy have been good mods for a long time
21:11:28 <%ReubenMcHawk> and because they couldn't do shit as section mods
21:11:38 <&Juxta> if you say so m8
21:11:45 <%ReubenMcHawk> does it not make sense?
21:11:46 <%EldredChandler> ok?
21:11:52 <%EldredChandler> that doesnt answer my question
21:12:06 <%ReubenMcHawk> i mean Juxta if you disagree with me i'd actually prefer if you explained why instead of that hand-wave shit
21:12:13 <%ReubenMcHawk> irc is for discussion after all
21:12:26 <%EldredChandler> I was told they were looking for more mods and didnt want new gloabls
21:12:32 <%EldredChandler> and now they have more global
21:12:32 <&Juxta> to answer you question EldredChandler I am not sure.
21:12:58 <%EldredChandler> I think you misunderstood what ReubenMcHawk said
21:13:04 <%ReubenMcHawk> yes
21:13:08 <%EldredChandler> he emant they cant handle anything outside their section
21:13:13 <%EldredChandler> couldnt rather
21:13:18 <%ReubenMcHawk> ya
21:13:19 <%EldredChandler> not that they didnt do anything
21:13:42 <%ReubenMcHawk> seems worthless to give someone power over one small part of the forums
21:14:10 <%EldredChandler> its fine if theres enough proplr who can handle every ection first
21:14:18 <%EldredChandler> people section
21:14:22 <@ZeroXy> No
21:14:53  * ReubenMcHawk taps foot waiting for a response he'll never get
21:15:12 <&Juxta> ReubenMcHawk, what you offered was your own opinion on the reason, which as I said wasn't correct. When dan announced it in the staff channel for BnS that was not one of the reasons he stated. I already told EldredChandler that one of the reasons they were promoted was because of their activity and use as moderators [as a whole].
21:15:35 <%ReubenMcHawk> i don't think he'd have to announce it for it to just be common sense
21:15:54 <%ReubenMcHawk> i wouldn't expect dan to go "so hey, section mods were a retarded idea after all, congrats on the promotion guys!"
21:16:23 <&Juxta> As I said the fact that Section Moderators are "useless" or "retarded" is not why they were made Global Mods
21:17:04 <%ReubenMcHawk> and as i said you're mistaking what i view as common sense as what you think that i believe the ~holy word of the admins~ was
21:17:23 <%ReubenMcHawk> trust me, i haven't needed the staff to point out bad ideas for me for a while now lol
21:17:39 <&topo> what i view as common sense as what you think that i believe
21:17:47 <%ReubenMcHawk> yes
21:18:01 <&topo> it might just be the fact that i woke up at 3 am
21:18:08 <&topo> but i cant read that
21:18:19 <%ReubenMcHawk> might also be the fact that i've been tired all day too
21:18:38 <&Juxta> The point being tin and willy will make great Global Mods is being lost in digression here
21:18:48 <%ReubenMcHawk> that's a point nobody's disputing
21:18:53 <%ReubenMcHawk> so no reason to bring it back up
21:18:54 <&Juxta> indeed
21:18:54 <&topo> srs why arent i a mod yet
21:19:01 <%ReubenMcHawk> you're probably next in line
21:19:24 <&Juxta> dw I'm still paying dan topo#
21:19:24 <&topo> i have done so much for the community
21:19:25 <&topo> like
21:19:29 <&topo> timedmute.py
21:19:32 <&topo> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
21:19:33 <&Juxta> ull never be staff ever so long as i live
21:19:36 <@AWhiteGuy> i should be a mod
21:19:38 <&topo> fuck u
21:19:40 <%ReubenMcHawk> Juxta: i'm not really asking for the staff's official position on section mods as much as what you think on it
21:19:40 <@AWhiteGuy> for whatever you're talking about
21:20:16 <&Juxta> What I think about Section Mods is that they serve a concise purpose, to keep their sections in line
21:20:29 <&Juxta> it makes sense in a heirarchy sense
21:20:31 <&Juxta> sense
21:20:45 <%ReubenMcHawk> but why bother if you can give them all sections
21:21:00 <%ReubenMcHawk> if there's shit going on in one section and the only person on is a mod for another section
21:21:04 <%ReubenMcHawk> nothing's gonna happen
21:21:15 <+That_Guy> durka
21:21:20 <@AWhiteGuy> kinky
21:21:45 <%ReubenMcHawk> i mean you weren't a section mod so i doubt you'd understand :P
21:21:53 <%EldredChandler> thus why I kept saying we needed more globals
21:21:55 <&Juxta> wow
21:22:01 <%EldredChandler> to elp the non moderated sections
21:22:03 <&Juxta> we were being so civil
21:22:11 <+That_Guy> le meme face
21:22:20 <%ReubenMcHawk> it's a fact tho
21:22:21 <%EldredChandler> now that we have more, sectionals will be fine
21:22:25 <%ReubenMcHawk> also lol @ "civil"
21:22:33 <%EldredChandler> unless we ever get that traffic dan wants
21:22:49 <%ReubenMcHawk> you've just been doing the same "i don't care what this guy's saying but gotta look civil and aloof" rhetoric i always get
21:22:54 <&Juxta> at this point I pussy out and leave
21:22:56 <&Juxta> later
21:23:04 <%ReubenMcHawk> yeah exactly
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21:23:19 <%ReubenMcHawk> bye juxta/tin/tgm/etc
21:23:24 <%ReubenMcHawk> great mod