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1. From: Melbourne, Australia
2. Registered: 2011-10-20
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5. (Maybe this should go in "Try This"?)
6. Hello Archers,
7. I was thinking about software that sucks, as considered at All software sucks and Software that sucks less. I wondered whether it would be possible to measure the "suckiness" or maybe (conversely) the "Unixness" of a system. The essential idea is that if four small programs can do the same job as a single much larger program, then we should prefer the ecosystem of smaller programs, and consider this ecosystem more Unix-like.
8. This is similar to ideas about model-selection as used in statistics, where it's preferred to use simpler models; in particular it occurred to me that an entropy-like calculation could provide a quick-and-dirty way to measure unixness. In what follows, don't expect much rigour. It's just a bit of fun, partially justified by reference to notions from information theory.
9. Let's proceed by considering measure theoretic entropy and define X to be the concatenation of all executable files on your system. Clearly, X forms a set in which the elements are bytes defined by an address together with a value between 0x00 and 0xFF. The executable files now form a partition Q of X. Since everything is finite and discrete, Q in turn induces a sigma-algebra, so we have a measurable space.
10. To make the measurable space into a true measure space, we need a measure. In the naive just-for-fun calculation I'm getting to, it's sufficient to assume that the best measure to use is: what proportion of X is taken up by the file f? I.e., if S(B) refers to the size S of any set of bytes B, we shall use the measure
11. p(f) := S(f)/S(X)
12. Now that we have a proper measure space, we can proceed directly to invoking measure theoretic entropy, mentioned earlier. In particular, we now define the unixness contributed by a file f as,
13. H(f) := -p(f)log(p(f))
14. where the logarithm is base 2. To calculate the unixness of multiple files, add their individual contributions.
15. Thus, we can approximate the unixness of an entire system by running the following pair of commands:
16. T=\$(sudo find {,/usr}/{{s,}bin,lib} /usr/include /boot /etc -type f ! -empty -printf "%s\n" | awk '{t+=\$1} END {print t}')
17. sudo find {,/usr}/{{s,}bin,lib} /usr/include /boot /etc -type f ! -empty -printf "%s\n" | awk -v t=\$T '{p=\$1/t; h += -p*log(p)/log(2)} END {print h}'
18. The first command calculates S(X), the size of the set of executable files X. The second command adds the unixness contributions from the individual files. The division by log 2 in the second statement is just a scale factor to change awk's natural logarithm to a binary logarithm.
19. The sudo is required so that "find" can extract file-sizes from sensitive directories. The code will still work if you don't use sudo, you'll just get permission warnings. (These can be ignored with a "2>/dev/null".)
20. Clearly, if the entire system is driven by a single monolithic executable, you'll get a unixness of 0.
21. When I run the code, I get:
22. 8.09131
23. Last edited by /dev/zero (2012-03-05 5:16 pm)
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37. As an aside: is the sudo really necessary?
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49. I have no idea what this means, but it sounds interesting...
50. Arch Netbook
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52. Arch Desktop (with bloatware for my better half's account)
53. 7.70631 10.7082
54. Debian Stable Server
55. 8.13658 10.2989
56. eh?
57. # edit: if these results were reversed it would make a lot more sense to me
58. # edit2: updated with new metric
59. Last edited by jasonwryan (2012-03-06 12:55 am)
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72. .:B:. wrote:
73. As an aside: is the sudo really necessary?
74. I have a note about the sudo a bit below the commands ...
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100. .:B:. wrote:
102. I've split the note about sudo into a separate paragraph. This should make it easier to see.
103. DSFR: Do Some Frickin' Research
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130. #92012-03-03 7:32 pm
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141. #102012-03-03 7:35 pm
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152. #112012-03-03 8:07 pm
153. /dev/zero
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160. Kaustic wrote:
161. -nan
162. (Do I win anything?)
163. lol, wtf? Maybe you have one really small file so the log went too close to zero thanks to round-off?
164. Kaustic wins!
165. What do you get in your "T"?
166. Last edited by /dev/zero (2012-03-03 8:09 pm)
167. DSFR: Do Some Frickin' Research
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173. #122012-03-03 8:12 pm
174. KingX
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180. 7.80924
181. So is 10 impossible to have? And 7-8 about the ideal for a system?
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190. /dev/zero wrote:
191. Kaustic wrote:
192. -nan
193. (Do I win anything?)
194. Kaustic wins!
195. Is obviously cheating. Must be a *BSD user...
196. My one:
197. 7.86591
198. (whatever it means...).
199. Edit: after adding \$HOME/bin with circa 140 scripts:
200. 7.91417
201. Last edited by bohoomil (2012-03-04 9:01 am)
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215. Like others I don't really have any clue what /dev/zero is saying.
216. Last edited by hadrons123 (2012-03-03 8:25 pm)
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230. KingX wrote:
231. So is 10 impossible to have? And 7-8 about the ideal for a system?
232. 10 isn't impossible to have. Depending on the total size of all executables you have installed, I don't think there's an upper bound. Eg, if all your files are the same size, then your score will go up as the logarithm of the number of executables you have installed.
233. As for interpretation, I think it's sort of a relative thing: the point is to compare your scores to other people's scores. If most people are getting between 7.5 and 8.5, and you don't sit inside that range, then there's probably something unusual about your system. If you get a low score, that might indicate that you tend to use fewer, larger programs, that is, programs which "suck more"; and if you have a high score, that probably shows you prefer programs that "suck less" .
234. It would be interesting to see the scores associated with various LiveCDs. Unfortunately, I can't do this myself at the second.
235. Last edited by /dev/zero (2012-03-03 8:41 pm)
236. DSFR: Do Some Frickin' Research
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242. #162012-03-03 9:30 pm
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249. Ah ok I thought the score was based on a scale of  1-10, 1 being extremely sucky and 10 being the least sucky.
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261. I'm surprised, I thought my system was less UNIX-y than most (firefox, for example). Of course, I DO use awesome and mutt (but also have evolution and thunderbird installed....)
262. Allan-Volunteer on the (topic being discussed) mailn lists. You never get the people who matters attention on the forums.
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286. 8.40162 here.
287. Almost top value so far. (ploub did beat me, however.  )
288. Also moving this thread to Try This. It does fit better there.
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302. New metrics- 10.9418
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328. 7.19486 on my linux-vServer based vps.
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361. (8.73086) new metric -> 12.1293 ...having installed kde and xfce and lxde and openoffice and everything that i can think of. (1685 packages installed).
362. Last edited by Pajaro (2012-03-13 10:03 am)
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372. Not gonna lie, no idea what that means. Some of my stuff is small and modular (urxvt, fluxbox, vim, luakit, tmux). But some more monolithic (firerfox, thunderbird, vlc, kile, wine). Honestly even though I use fluxbox I probably have half of both KDE and Gnome installed because of dependencies.
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383. I got 7.87855 on Gentoo.
384. My math is rusty and I don't understand the theory, but I am curious about this special case (though impossible in real world): A system has n files of exactly same filesize s.
385. If my math is still working, then
386. S(f)=s
387. S(X)=n*s
388. p(f)=s/(n*s)=1/n
389. H(f)=-1/n*log(1/n)=1/n*log(n)
390. unixness=n*H(f)=log(n)
391. the filesize is out of the equation in the unixness, only the number of files affect the unixness.
392. What does that mean?
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416. 8.09943
417. Surprised!. I will remove some bloat and try again
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429. 7.80966 (Arch desktop)
430. 7.93163 (Arch HTPC)
431. This numbers benefit 32bit systems (smaller binaries). Does that mean 64-bit systems suck more?
432. EDIT: By the way... that "All software sucks" guy is a boring troll. He should redesign the site to look more like a blog, because static pages tend to be recieved as "truth and knowledge", while oppinions can be found in blogs :-D
433. Last edited by Awebb (2012-03-04 5:37 am)
434. Reinstalling Arch is not normal. On --force it is. --force, not even once.
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445. Looks like guys using OS other than Arch are scoring higher.
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457. /dev/zero wrote:
458. What do you get in your "T"?
459. A rather large number: 276902333
460. Heh, I did try to add that in manually but it always produced not a number. I've tried it under Zsh and Bash in both a script and simply copy pasting into the terminal
461. NaOH
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482. San2ban wrote:
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484. Surprised!. I will remove some bloat and try again
485. I am overbloated and got a 8.73; try the opposite
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488. #352012-03-04 7:42 am
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493. (a) 8.38748
494. (b) 8.39183
495. (b) Includes my ~/bin which contains a set of scripts to ease my life. And cbmc, a huge binary, actually a statistical outlier even, since it's 4.6M.
496. How about taking a look at binaries and scripts seperately? Since scripts, for example, lack all the ELF format overhead their executing binaries have...
497. root@blubpc ~ # cat > /tmp/filter.sh << EOF
498. #!/bin/sh
499. if head "\\$1" | grep -q '^#!'; then
500.   stat -c '%s' "\\$1"
501.         else
502.           stat -c '%s' "\\$1" >&2
503.                 fi
504.                 EOF
505.                 root@blubpc ~ # chmod +x /tmp/filter.sh
506.                 root@blubpc ~ # find {,/usr}/{s,}bin /lib /boot /etc /home/blub/bin -type f -executable -exec /tmp/filter.sh '{}' "%s" ';' > /tmp/filtered_scripts 2> /tmp/filtered_bins
507.                 root@blubpc ~ # T1=\$(cat /tmp/filtered_bins | awk '{t+=\$1} END {print t}')
508.                 root@blubpc ~ # T2=\$(cat /tmp/filtered_scripts | awk '{t+=\$1} END {print t}')
509.                 root@blubpc ~ # echo \$T1 \$T2
510.                 868139304 30871849
511.                 root@blubpc ~ # cat /tmp/filtered_bins | awk -v t=\$T1 '{p=\$1/t; h += -p*log(p)/log(2)} END {print h}'
512.                 8.25136
513.                 root@blubpc ~ # cat /tmp/filtered_scripts | awk -v t=\$T2 '{p=\$1/t; h += -p*log(p)/log(2)} END {print h}'
514.                 6.06017
515.                 root@blubpc ~ # echo sanity check, the following should equal b=8.39183
516.                 sanity check, the following should equal b=8.39183
517.                 root@blubpc ~ # cat /tmp/filtered_bins /tmp/filtered_scripts | awk -v t=\$[T1 + T2] '{p=\$1/t; h += -p*log(p)/log(2)} END {print h}'
518.                 8.39183
519.                 root@blubpc ~ # cat /tmp/filtered_bins | awk -v t=\$[T1 + T2] '{p=\$1/t; h += -p*log(p)/log(2)} END {print h}'
520.                 8.01669
521.                 root@blubpc ~ # cat /tmp/filtered_scripts | awk -v t=\$[T1 + T2] '{p=\$1/t; h += -p*log(p)/log(2)} END {print h}'
522.                 0.375133
523.                 Not really what I was expecting O.o
524.                 You know you're paranoid when you start thinking random letters while typing a password.
525.                 A good post about vim
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547.                 8.62069, and I am using KDE.
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553.                 stressat
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560.                 8.70095 (kde 4.8)
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573.                 Seems reasonable. I think.
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620.                 This is an interesting concept. Though, it appears to me that your metric is flawed. It does not measure the UNIX-ness very well at all. I mean, take a look at the formula. It only takes into account the relative size. That means that a system with 10 highly UNIX-y programs which are all the same size gets the exact same score as a system with 10 monolithic programs which are each the same size.
621.                 With that in mind, I'm not really sure of a good way to correct it. I would think a term dependent on the absolute size only would be needed, but I haven't had time to play around with it yet. Maybe adding in something like 1/S(f) ? As long as you have no zero-byte files (which is probably the case for the person getting NaN) this should not blow up.
622.                 I know it's all in fun and not very rigorous, but it would just be a lot cooler to me if it was tweaked to be a little better
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716.                 using awesome wm - I guess I have some bloat
717.                 Considering you get under 8, and folks with KDE get almost 9, I'd say rather than you having bloat the metric is just very, very flawed.
718.                 I get 8.05345 on my desktop. Which is completely weird, as I could swear that when I tried on my laptop earlier in the day it was under 8. And, get this, it's the *exact* same install on both machines. Seriously. The differences are minimal, a few config files are a bit different, that's it. The packages installed are the same.
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729.                 Gusar wrote:
730.                 Considering you get under 8, and folks with KDE get almost 9, I'd say rather than you having bloat the metric is just very, very flawed.
731.                 It occurs to me that since it's only counting executables, and since KDE and the like is mainly small apps built around large libraries (are they not?), this might be leading to the inaccurate results.
732.                 When I remove the "-executable" flag, my own score suddenly leaps to "nan".
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748.                 When I remove the "-executable" flag, my own score suddenly leaps to "nan".
749.                 I think that is caused by files with no content, i.e. 0 bytes.
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760.                 livibetter wrote:
761.                 I think that is caused by files with no content, i.e. 0 bytes.
762.                 Aha. Okay, when I filter out all the size zeros (grep -v "^0"), I now get 8.90591.
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787.                 We do need to find a way to fix the fact that scripts are usually much smaller than binaries... Whereas scripts can also be non-unix-y
788.                 Maybe add the size of some of the shell's segments to the script sizes?
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815.                 I'm getting an error when I run the first command. I assume you just copy and paste right?
816.                 T=\$(sudo find {,/usr}/{s,}bin /lib /boot /etc -type f ! -empty -printf "%s\n" awk '{t+=\$1} END {print t}')
817.                 find: paths must precede expression: awk
818.                 Usage: find [-H] [-L] [-P] [-Olevel] [-D help|tree|search|stat|rates|opt|exec] [path...] [expression]
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829.                 Hspasta wrote:
830.                 I'm getting an error when I run the first command. I assume you just copy and paste right?
831.                 T=\$(sudo find {,/usr}/{s,}bin /lib /boot /etc -type f ! -empty -printf "%s\n" awk '{t+=\$1} END {print t}')
832.                 find: paths must precede expression: awk
833.                 Usage: find [-H] [-L] [-P] [-Olevel] [-D help|tree|search|stat|rates|opt|exec] [path...] [expression]
834.                 Apologies. I edited the original post to incorporate some feedback, and removed the pipe sign. It should work now.
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849.                 Blµb wrote:
850.                 We do need to find a way to fix the fact that scripts are usually much smaller than binaries... Whereas scripts can also be non-unix-y
851.                 Maybe add the size of some of the shell's segments to the script sizes?
852.                 I see what you're saying; however, the commands already count your shell's binaries (/bin/bash ...), and it is good unix practice to prefer scripts to binaries; furthermore, your suggested work-around would over-complicate what's essentially just meant to be a fun heuristic.
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904.                 I wanted to get a better score so I did some package cleanup and it went up by 0.3.
905.                 Now I'm kind of afraid to do the same...
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921.                 Laptop Arch 9.58941, I don't feel that bloated
922.                 EDIT:3/6/12
923.                 Now with recent changes made in OP
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936.                 Note that this isn't really about "bloat" per se. The idea is that you will score better if, given say a 10Mb file, you can replace it with several files whose sizes add to 10Mb. Optimal unixness comes from having programs that are functionally orthogonal and which act as text filters. It's kind of independent of how large these functionally-orthogonal text filters are.
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965.                 Now, do I win anything... again?
966.                 Close, but no cigar. With the updated command, I'm now on 11.471 .
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980.                 So essentially the higher the result the more, smaller, executables you have and getting lower results for having fewer, larger executables?
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992.                 Email Website
993.                 11.2407
994.                 ||github||
995.                 Hack-N-Slash
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998.                 #712012-03-05 5:56 pm
999.                 /dev/zero
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1002.                 From: Melbourne, Australia
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1005.                 Website
1006.                 Kaustic wrote:
1007.                 Balls.
1008.                 So essentially the higher the result the more, smaller, executables, you have and getting lower results for having fewer, larger executables?
1009.                 Yep.
1010.                 ... always keeping in mind that there's nothing rigorous here. You can (assuming write access) increase your score to any arbitrary value that you feel like, by running for sufficiently long:
1011.                 while true; do echo 1 > /bin/\$RANDOM; done
1012.                 DSFR: Do Some Frickin' Research
1013.                 Linux is NOT Windows | The Rootless Root
1014.                 Desktop: Phenom II X6 1090T CPU, 4Gb RAM, ArchLinux, dwm.
1015.                 Laptop: i5-2430M CPU, 4Gb RAM, BCM43227 wifi, ArchLinux, wmii.
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1018.                 #722012-03-05 7:13 pm
1019.                 hellbuster
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1021.                 From: Chile
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1025.                 11.5583
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1028.                 #732012-03-05 8:50 pm
1029.                 Bellum
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1034.                 Hum. I don't know. I installed Scribus and Inkskape today and I've still got you beat /dev/zero.
1035.                 Then again, I've also installed pekwm and tint2.
1036.                 11.8462
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1039.                 #742012-03-05 9:43 pm
1040.                 ANOKNUSA
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1042.
1043.                 From: Minneapolis, MN, USA
1044.                 Registered: 2010-10-21
1045.                 Posts: 1,098
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1047.                 /dev/zero/ wrote:
1048.                 As for interpretation, I think it's sort of a relative thing: the point is to compare your scores to other people's scores. If most people are getting between 7.5 and 8.5, and you don't sit inside that range, then there's probably something unusual about your system. If you get a low score, that might indicate that you tend to use fewer, larger programs, that is, programs which "suck more"; and if you have a high score, that probably shows you prefer programs that "suck less"
1049.                 Hm... 11.3251.
1050.                 You sure about that? 'Cuz I seem to recall sucking" quite a bit more.   The only WM I've got installed right now is WMFS2; a couple weeks ago, my score would've been different.  This is interesting, albeit in a just-for-fun sort of way; I'm not sure there's much we can tell about each other's set-ups just by looking at this single number.
1052.                 "Oh, Skycake... Why must you be so delicious?"  --Patton Oswalt
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1055.                 #752012-03-05 9:52 pm
1056.                 Gusar
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1059.                 Posts: 2,473
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1061.                 The metric has changed since that post was written. Now it seems 11 is sort of the middle point.
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1076. From: Melbourne, Australia
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1078. Posts: 1,066
1079. Website
1080. Gusar wrote:
1081. The metric has changed since that post was written. Now it seems 11 is sort of the middle point.
1082. Yeah, sorry about that. The commands evolved a little bit based on the discussion.
1083. DSFR: Do Some Frickin' Research
1084. Linux is NOT Windows | The Rootless Root
1085. Desktop: Phenom II X6 1090T CPU, 4Gb RAM, ArchLinux, dwm.
1086. Laptop: i5-2430M CPU, 4Gb RAM, BCM43227 wifi, ArchLinux, wmii.
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1089. #772012-03-10 12:23 am
1090. disastrophe
1091. Member
1092.
1093. From: pdx
1094. Registered: 2010-10-08
1095. Posts: 90
1096. Email
1097. 11.5904 -- arch, xfce
1098. "If we believe absurdities, we shall commit atrocities." ~ Voltaire
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1101. #782012-03-10 1:28 am
1102. bananas4370
1103. Member
1104.
1105. From: Warwick QLD Australia
1106. Registered: 2011-10-25
1107. Posts: 23
1108. Email
1109. I get 10.9931
1110. Cheers
1111. Patrick
1112. Linux Counter: #478369
1113. Don't fix it if it ain't broken, don't break it if you can't fix it.
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1116. #792012-03-10 1:52 am
1117. SiD
1118. Member
1119.
1120. From: Germany
1121. Registered: 2006-09-21
1122. Posts: 729
1123. Email
1124. 11.3156
1125. "To start press any key." Where's the any key? - Homer Simpson
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1128. #802012-03-10 3:18 am
1129. ViruSzZ
1130. Member
1131.
1132. From: The Streets
1133. Registered: 2010-10-14
1134. Posts: 194
1135. Email Website
1136. The result of my arch+gnome3 lappy = 10.788
1137. Their Momma Made Em, Their Momma Gave em & now she can`t even SAVE`em | My WebLog
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1140. #812012-03-10 6:38 pm
1141. freek
1142. Member
1143.
1144. From: the Netherlands
1145. Registered: 2008-07-21
1146. Posts: 33
1147. Email Website
1148. OK, new metric .. Debian testing: 10.4784
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1152. #822012-03-10 10:23 pm
1153. iv597
1154. Member
1155. From: United States
1156. Registered: 2011-09-18
1157. Posts: 51
1158. Email Website
1159. My box:
1160. 11.2489
1161. Yeah. I kinda figured it'd be pretty high for me, I purposefully use light software.
1162. EDIT... oh, apparently this isn't high anymore. Whatevs.
1163. Last edited by iv597 (2012-03-10 10:24 pm)
1164. Website (Including Blog, Code, OA Server) :: iv597 on Freenode, OFTC, Twitter, identi.ca
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1167. #832012-03-11 6:27 am
1168. Ragnis
1169. Member
1170.
1171. Registered: 2012-01-29
1172. Posts: 14
1173. Email Website
1174. 11.2167
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1177. #842012-03-11 6:39 am
1178. portix
1179. Member
1180. Registered: 2009-01-13
1181. Posts: 563
1182. Email
1183. desktop: 10.6551
1184. notebook: 10.482
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1189. szorti
1190. Member
1191. From: Cracow, Poland
1192. Registered: 2010-06-23
1193. Posts: 18
1194. Email
1195. 11.8127 with gnome 3
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1199. Hspasta
1200. Member
1201. Registered: 2011-12-23
1202. Posts: 109
1203. Email
1204. Hspasta wrote:
1205. Arch: 9.10433
1206. I wanted to get a better score so I did some package cleanup and it went up by 0.3.
1207. New metric: 11.5807
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1210. #872012-03-12 4:32 pm
1211. debsuvra
1212. Member
1213. From: India
1214. Registered: 2008-08-07
1215. Posts: 11
1216. Email Website
1217. 11.1819 with GNOME 3 and Arch 64 bit. I use multiple scientific calculation software like Mathematica/MATLAB/Octave etc, coupled with standard browser, media player and usual GNOME stuffs.
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1220. #882012-03-12 4:59 pm
1221. jgreen1tc
1222. Member
1223.
1224. From: St. Louis
1225. Registered: 2011-05-15
1226. Posts: 185
1227. Email
1228. 10.7441
1229. Pretty cool. I'm not exactly sure what that means, but I like my set-up.
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1232. #892012-03-13 3:54 am
1233. RaisedFist
1234. Member
1235.
1236. From: Romania
1237. Registered: 2007-01-30
1238. Posts: 551
1239. Website
1240. I'm 11.2629 unixy
1241. last.fm
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1244. #902012-03-17 8:24 pm
1245. X1650
1246. Member
1247.
1248. Registered: 2012-02-25
1249. Posts: 1
1250. Email
1251. Desktop: 9.42851
1252. Laptop: 10.2546
1253. Interesting.
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1256. #912012-04-13 10:53 am
1258. Member
1259.
1260. From: NY, USA
1261. Registered: 2011-11-02
1262. Posts: 154
1263. Email
1264. 11.3217
1265. So it has come to this.
1266. http://xkcd.com/1022/
1267. "The box said requires Vista or better, so I installed Arch"
1268. Windows != Linux
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1271. #922012-04-17 1:38 pm
1272. Sara
1273. Member
1274.
1275. From: USA
1276. Registered: 2009-07-08
1277. Posts: 197
1278. Website
1279. 11.1627, on a cli-only setup on a laptop. I really enjoyed the attempt at making this all mathematically rigorous .
1280. Registed Linux User 483618
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1283. #932012-04-17 2:25 pm
1284. nabeelimran
1285. Member
1286.
1287. From: Swat, Pakistan
1288. Registered: 2012-02-09
1289. Posts: 26
1290. Email
1291. 11.2271 !!!
1292. Arch Linux with GNOME Fallback.
1293. ...should I be worried or something?
1294. Dell XPS M1710 : C2D 2.16 - 4GB - 320GB - 256MB nVidia - 17" TFT - DVD-DL-RW
1295. Triple-Boot: Windows 7 Ultimate - Arch Linux x86_64 GNOME (MAIN) - Ubuntu 10.04.3
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1298. #942012-04-17 2:32 pm
1299. /dev/zero
1300. Member
1301.
1302. From: Melbourne, Australia
1303. Registered: 2011-10-20
1304. Posts: 1,066
1305. Website
1306. Sara wrote:
1307. 11.1627, on a cli-only setup on a laptop. I really enjoyed the attempt at making this all mathematically rigorous .
1308. o_O Are you being sarcastic? Any real mathematician/statistician would smack me upside the head lol
1309. DSFR: Do Some Frickin' Research
1310. Linux is NOT Windows | The Rootless Root
1311. Desktop: Phenom II X6 1090T CPU, 4Gb RAM, ArchLinux, dwm.
1312. Laptop: i5-2430M CPU, 4Gb RAM, BCM43227 wifi, ArchLinux, wmii.
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1315. #952012-04-17 2:44 pm
1316. /dev/zero
1317. Member
1318.
1319. From: Melbourne, Australia
1320. Registered: 2011-10-20
1321. Posts: 1,066
1322. Website
1323. nabeelimran wrote:
1324. 11.2271 !!!
1325. Arch Linux with GNOME Fallback.
1326. ...should I be worried or something?
1327. What about? It's a reasonable number. I'm currently around 11.8924.
1328. I saw it dip a couple of times when I installed Firefox and Uzbl; libreoffice pushed it up. This seems a little counterintuitve. I think it's because uzbl depends on libwebkit, and puts most of its little files in /usr/share (not counted by unixness), whereas libreoffice did put a lot of little files in /usr/lib (which is counted).
1329. DSFR: Do Some Frickin' Research
1330. Linux is NOT Windows | The Rootless Root
1331. Desktop: Phenom II X6 1090T CPU, 4Gb RAM, ArchLinux, dwm.
1332. Laptop: i5-2430M CPU, 4Gb RAM, BCM43227 wifi, ArchLinux, wmii.
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1335. #962012-04-18 2:06 am
1336. GERGE
1337. Member
1338. From: Turkey
1339. Registered: 2008-09-29
1340. Posts: 157
1341. Email Website
1342. Xfce
1343. 10.89
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1346. #972012-04-18 12:50 pm
1347. trontonic
1348. Trusted User (TU)
1349. Registered: 2008-07-21
1350. Posts: 80
1351. On my desktop computer used for testing and building all sorts of packages: 12.6766
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1354. #982012-04-20 2:27 pm
1355. Sara
1356. Member
1357.
1358. From: USA
1359. Registered: 2009-07-08
1360. Posts: 197
1361. Website
1362. /dev/zero wrote:
1363. o_O Are you being sarcastic? Any real mathematician/statistician would smack me upside the head lol
1364. I probably would have been seriously annoyed if I had already taken measure theory, but as I've only heard of the terms, I thought it fun how you attempted to appear rigorous . So no, no sarcasm.
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1368. #992012-04-20 3:55 pm
1369. Terra-byte
1370. Member
1371. Registered: 2012-03-25
1372. Posts: 11
1373. Email
1374. 11.8266
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1377. #1002012-04-20 7:32 pm
1378. manzdagratiano
1379. Member
1380.
1381. From: New Jersey, USA
1382. Registered: 2010-10-08
1383. Posts: 131
1384. Email
1385. 11.659...
1386. And I still have Gnome installed! I should mention I am compulsive about removing bloat otherwise, but nonetheless,  my score must have been helped by my massive sage install, which has many small files.
1387. EDIT: Nope, not at all, since sage is located in \$HOME, and therefore not counted by Unixness. I guess I should feel naturally Unixy.
1388. Last edited by manzdagratiano (2012-04-21 10:25 am)
1389. Be formless, shapeless... like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup; you put water into a bottle it becomes the bottle; if you put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot... Now water can flow, or it can crash... Be water my friend
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1392. #1012012-04-20 8:07 pm
1393. Misfit138
1394. Misfit Emeritus
1395.
1396. From: USA
1397. Registered: 2006-11-26
1398. Posts: 4,157
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1400. Fedora 16 on ThinkPad T60: 12.0032
1401. Arch on Desktop: 11.7531
1402. In 2011, a Professor of Computer Science gave a speech on using the Linux kernel to teach his undergraduates about operating systems. Someone in the audience asked, "Why use Linux? Why not use Plan 9?" He answered, "Plan 9 looks like it was written by experts; Linux looks like something my students could aspire to write."
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1405. #1022012-04-21 2:31 am
1406. onearm
1407. Member
1408.
1409. From: Anywhere but here
1410. Registered: 2006-07-06
1411. Posts: 354
1412. Email
1413. Arch (64bit): 10.116
1414. Arch (32bit, very minimal installation): 9.14239
1415. To get something done, a committee should consist of no more than three persons, two of them absent.
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1420. #1032012-04-30 11:35 am
1421. gruby
1422. Member
1423. Registered: 2012-04-30
1424. Posts: 1
1425. Email
1426. hello
1427. 12.8232
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1430. #1042012-04-30 12:23 pm
1431. kuraku
1432. Member
1433.
1434. From: planet Earth
1435. Registered: 2012-01-03
1436. Posts: 152
1437. Email
1438. 9.96677
1439. Hmmm, seems okay for a debian sid machine with just a few programs and monsterwm.
1440. Last edited by kuraku (2012-04-30 12:26 pm)
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1443. #1052012-04-30 5:02 pm
1444. Jristz
1445. Member
1446.
1447. From: America/Santiago
1448. Registered: 2011-06-10
1449. Posts: 372
1450. Email
1451. 11.4442
1452. xfce4 4.10 and only all that I need
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1455. #1062012-05-01 11:00 am
1457. Member
1458.
1459. From: Hell! XP No... I'm not telling
1460. Registered: 2008-12-19
1461. Posts: 424
1462. Website
1463. Got this on my desktop with KDE: 12.0314
1464. Will probably edit later to include stats for my laptop.
1465. For every problem, there is a solution that is:
1466. Clean
1467. Simple and most of all...wrong!
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1471. #1072012-05-01 7:03 pm
1472. mrmylanman
1473. Member
1474. From: Altamonte Springs, FL, USA
1475. Registered: 2011-03-13
1476. Posts: 175
1477. Email
1478. My laptop which has XFCE got 11.0648.  Kind of surprised it is as high as it is.
1479. Arch user since 2011-03-13
1480. Thinkpad X220 Intel Core i7-2640M CPU, 16GB DDR3-1333 RAM, 160GB Intel SATA II SSD & 60GB OCZ mSATA SSD, 12.5" IPS 1366x768 Display, 6-cell Battery
1481. (Installation date:  2012-03-19)
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1484. #1082012-05-01 9:39 pm
1485. Roken
1486. Member
1487.
1488. From: UK
1489. Registered: 2012-01-16
1490. Posts: 354
1491. Email Website
1492. I have no clue what I did - but a quick check before copy & paste suggested it wasn't going to kill my system:
1493. 11.7211
1494. Arch, Debian, LFS
1495. ATI Radeon HD 6670, 2GB, AMD Phenom II X4 (965BE) @ 3.6 Ghz (Overclocked) 8GB RAM
1496. Linux user #545703
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1499. #1092012-05-01 10:05 pm
1500. Montague
1501. Member
1502.
1503. From: :age
1504. Registered: 2010-06-24
1505. Posts: 82
1506. 11.7254 amazingly, I had no idea my system would be so Unix-y, I made no special efforts (have basic gnome installed but don't use it much, I also have Compiz-standalone, but I mostly log in to lxde or xfce4) so yeah a bunch of crud installed that I could clean up, and I am sure my system must "suck" in many ways, but hey, nice result nonetheless (not that this "test" means much anything at all).
1507.  o   — ǝƃɐnƃuɐʃ ǝʌıʇɐu ʎɯ ʇou sı ɥsıʃƃuǝ
1508.  o7o
1509.  ///
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1512.  #1102012-05-02 11:07 pm
1513.  zero2cx
1514.  Member
1515.
1516.  From: Minneapolis, MN
1517.  Registered: 2012-04-29
1518.  Posts: 16
1519.  Email
1520.  11.6522 The big old brick under my desk.
1521.  Hehee, I like it. I just don't know why.
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1525.  #1112012-05-03 4:58 am
1526.  Gruntz
1527.  Member
1529.  Registered: 2007-08-31
1530.  Posts: 250
1531.  Email
1532.  11.4943
1533.
1534.  is higher better then lower number?
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1537.  #1122012-05-03 5:41 am
1538.  /dev/zero
1539.  Member
1540.
1541.  From: Melbourne, Australia
1542.  Registered: 2011-10-20
1543.  Posts: 1,066
1544.  Website
1545.  Gruntz wrote:
1546.  11.4943
1547.
1548.  is higher better then lower number?
1549.  Well, there are a few issues with making broad judgements about better or worse.
1550.  Issue #1: there are real problems with the measure's implementation. For example, it's easy to score higher just by installing more software, whether or not you use that software. Ideally, it should only count software that you actually use. It has other problems too. Please just treat it only as a bit of fun!
1551.  Issue #2: it's intended to be a measure of Unixness, according to traditional notions of what this means. Is being true to the Unix tradition good or bad? I personally prefer high Unixness, but I didn't write the opening post intending to make anyone feel bad.
1552.  Issue #3: the idea of basing the measure on entropy is also possibly problematic. I seem to recall seeing precedent, in other contexts, for a measure like this, but even so, I must emphasise to only treat this in a light-hearted way.
1553.  TLDR? Okay, higher is probably better, more or less
1554.  DSFR: Do Some Frickin' Research
1555.  Linux is NOT Windows | The Rootless Root
1556.  Desktop: Phenom II X6 1090T CPU, 4Gb RAM, ArchLinux, dwm.
1557.  Laptop: i5-2430M CPU, 4Gb RAM, BCM43227 wifi, ArchLinux, wmii.
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1560.  #1132012-05-04 12:56 am
1561.  durian
1562.  Member
1563.  Registered: 2011-12-22
1564.  Posts: 13
1565.  Email
1566.  Arch 64 bit, my work machine, with Openbox:
1567.  10.2827
1568.  -peter
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1571.  #1142012-05-06 3:23 pm
1572.  Yurlungur
1573.  Member
1574.
1575.  From: USA
1576.  Registered: 2012-01-05
1577.  Posts: 115
1578.  Email
1579.  11.4698 on my Arch laptop with xmonad.
1580.  My score is probably skewed because my path includes all the scripts I wrote for work.
1581.  Actually, I was wondering about the measure... I've never seen a quotient measure before and it seemed a bit wonky. I would have thought something more reliable would be a difference measure?  Of course, if we did that, we couldn't use entropy, and the number of microstates per macrostate makes a fair amount of sense to me for unixi-ness... so there you go.
1582.  Thanks for this fun little idea, /dev/zero.
1583.  Last edited by Yurlungur (2012-05-06 3:25 pm)
1584.  Lenovo Thinkpad T420; Intel sandy bridge i7 2.7GHz; integrated graphics card; 4GB RAM; wifi; Arch; Xmonad WM
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1587.  #1152012-05-06 5:49 pm
1588.  baronmax
1589.  Member
1590.  From: Missouri, USA
1591.  Registered: 2012-04-22
1592.  Posts: 29
1593.  Email
1594.  11.6897 = laptop (Arch + awn/compiz and about 8 other DE/WMs)
1595.  11.4196 = desktop 1  (Arch awn/compiz, rather slim system...or so I thought)
1596.  11.7071 = desktop 2 (Ubuntu...soon to be Arch...bloated as all hell, as is typical with ubuntuuuuuuu)
1597.  I guess that makes me consistent!
1598.  I have no clue what it means, but there ya go.
1599.  Last edited by baronmax (2012-05-06 5:59 pm)
1600.  Intel 980x| 6GB RAM| Arch + Openbox
1601.  Intel 2600K| 8GB RAM| Arch + AWN/Compiz
1602.  Intel Q740| 6GB RAM| Arch + AWN/Compiz
1603.  AMD Phenom x6 1090T| Ubuntu/Winblowz (gaming)
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1606.  #116Today 4:58 am
1607.  theblazehen
1608.  Member
1609.  Registered: 2012-12-05
1610.  Posts: 3
1611.  Email
1612.  11.6684
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1615.  #117Today 5:21 am
1616.  illusionist
1617.  Member
1618.
1619.  From: localhost
1620.  Registered: 2012-04-03
1621.  Posts: 317
1622.  Email
1623.  Arch 64 bit: 10.8442
1624.  People are usually more convinced by reasons they discovered themselves than by those found by others. -Blaise Pascal
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1628.  #118Today 1:41 pm
1629.  MrCode
1630.  Member
1631.
1632.  Registered: 2010-02-05
1633.  Posts: 259
1634.  Email
1635.  Lappy: 11.2859
1636.  I have yet to test my desktop, but it should be very similar, as it has most of the same software.
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1639.  #119Today 2:40 pm
1640.  chris_l
1641.  Member
1642.  Registered: 2010-12-01
1643.  Posts: 152
1644.  Email
1645.  11.9959.
1646.  Reading seems it used to be about 8 the average, but now is 10 to 11 the average... means arch has now more unixness?
1647.  My system is updated btw.
1648.  "open source is about choice"
1649.  No.
1650.  Open source is about opening the source code complying with this conditions, period. The ability to choose among several packages is just a nice side effect.
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1653.  #120Today 4:31 pm
1654.  MrCode
1655.  Member
1656.
1657.  Registered: 2010-02-05
1658.  Posts: 259
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1660.  Reading seems it used to be about 8 the average, but now is 10 to 11 the average... means arch has now more unixness?
1661.  The script has been changed; it now uses a different metric for measuring "Unicity".
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1664.  #121Today 5:32 pm
1665.  czubek
1666.  Member
1667.
1668.  From: Alliance College
1669.  Registered: 2012-03-08
1670.  Posts: 46
1671.  10.5072
1672.  Arch-ck-atom 64 w/Openbox
1673.  I was hoping for something much lower.
1674.  Perhaps you've heard of me.
1675.  You know all those books, "Such & Such for Idiots"
1676.  I'm the idiot.
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1679.  #122Today 5:52 pm
1680.  graysky
1681.  Member
1682.
1683.  From: /dev/null
1684.  Registered: 2008-12-01
1685.  Posts: 4,827
1686.  Email Website
1687.  Not sure what to make of this thread, but I'll bite:
1688.  10.3046 on Arch Linux Dual 2012.12.01 (x86_64)
1689.  11.0292 on my workstation
1690.  10.8400 on my laptop
1691.  Pre-compiled & CPU-optimized Linux-ck packages @ Repo-ck.  Enjoy!
1692.  AUR packages  •  .zshrc and other .files on github
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1695.  #123Today 6:10 pm
1696.  graysky
1697.  Member
1698.
1699.  From: /dev/null
1700.  Registered: 2008-12-01
1701.  Posts: 4,827
1702.  Email Website
1703.  Visually inspecting the responsces given in this thread, they range from 2 to 5 decimal places.  If I dump this entire thread to an html file, how can I delete everything except for numbers of these formats:
1704.  x.xx
1705.  x.xxx
1706.  x.xxxx
1707.  x.xxxxx
1708.  xx.xx
1709.  xx.xxx
1710.  xx.xxxx
1711.  xx.xxxxx
1712.  In theory, this would allow me to extract only the results that people posted for a more indepth analysis of the responses.
1713.  EDIT:
1714.  The best I can come up with is not right but does filter down to just numbers:
1716.  Last edited by graysky (Today 6:13 pm)
1717.  Pre-compiled & CPU-optimized Linux-ck packages @ Repo-ck.  Enjoy!
1718.  AUR packages  •  .zshrc and other .files on github
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