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Yes. This is what I have been able to confirm (as much as anything can be confirmed). From first hand sources, who can give information as long as it is not attributed back to them.

Mossad Israeli intelligence is the one who threated to release the video of bill clinton having sex with a 12 year old girl. They are the ones who filmed it. Remember four days before the election, when media turned on Hillary. That was because they went around showing them what they were going to release unless she accepted the election results.

Hillary had promised Goldman Saches and others in a donor meeting (which is recorded and is on the internet, but which keeps getting scrubbed), that she would start the war in Iran. Which means Israel would be wiped out. She also promised a ground invasion and no fly zone in Syria (which Obama tried to do and the military mutinied).

There are two groups of oligarches in the United States fighting. The first group is a globalist group, who likes Saudi oil, who wants the global network of military bases and which is allied with city of london and the EU. They are primarily backed by oil families like the Windsors and Rockefellers. Their objective is to build up a buffer zone around Russia (including Ukraine and Syria) and cut Russian oil off from Europe and eventually to blockade key straights that 80% of the worlds oil flows through.

They are at war with Russia or want Russia destroyed, because they cannot enforce their global oil cartel as long as Russia exists.

Then the second group is a nationalist group and they want to tariff China, but do not make their money from oil, so they are not concerned with Russia. They want the US to reindustrialize, to throw Europe down the drain, dismantle NATO. Then they want a space war to replace the War on Terror as the new money maker.

There is a civil war between different interest groups. It is primarily economic.

The United States has enough population and resources to be self sufficient, so globalism does not make any sense for the US. Except to keep people poor and keep the oligarchy in power.

The intelligence people, who got rid of Hillary, do not believe she is capable of running the system. They do not trust her, because they have known her for thirty years.

The people in the backroom in the Defense Intelligence Agency, also have objective numbers for how back the US economic and finantial situation is. They see the oligarchy as a problem and see the need for them to be removed, before they run the country into the ground. They see that the public is at a breaking point. Models show massive civil unrest by 2018 and the government at the brink of civil war, unless direction is changed. While the oligarchy refuses to change direction and wants to continue on a suicidal tranjectory.

The London backed Institute for Royal Affairs, Tavstock and Aspens Institute would be happy to see the US broken into smaller countries that they can rule over more directly. Aspen Institute (A tavistock think tank, of which there are thousands) is even actively promoting monarchy in the United States.

They have these pipe dreams that they can turn America into Communist China with the right crisis. They want a top down society, where an elite rule over a population of slaves and where they command and the slaves obey.

These people are smoking crack and have no contact with reality. The political leaders are on cocaine and meth and they are out of their minds. Cultists, pedophiles, sex addicts, drug addicts, it a circus. Anyone who knows these people personally and how fucked up it is, is surprised how long the system has gone on without collapsing or imploding on itself.

It is really bad. US GDP is 16 to 18 trillion on paper, but the real GDP is less than 6 trillion. The rest of it is finantial fraud, derivatives speculation and money printing. Real physical production and actual things that can be exported are in horrible shape.

Elon Musk had to buy a Russia rocket engine company so that the US military had domestic source space launch capacity, because the US military was using Lockeed Martin to launch their satilites using rocket engines bought from Russia (while they were trying to provoke a war with Russia).

Chinese bussiness interests bought the last US antibiotic manufacturer in the United States and then shut them down. They are getting all of their hardware, metal manufacturing, steel and military supply chain components from China (while they threaten China in the South China sea). They do not have domestic supply for the nuclear industry (reactor moderators) and do not have domestic supply for any of the rare earth metals required for domestic military. Neither does the domestic chemical or semi conductor industry exist for a long drawn out war.

The United States right now have been completely cucked by international interests. Russia, China or anyone with money is able to go into the govenrment and get political appointees in the DoJ and then use them to shut down or harass domestic manufactures in key industries and force them to shut down. The United States government is the whore of the world and for sale to the highest bidder, domestic or foreign. They are also corrupt and have a massive pedophile and bribery problem.

All of these problems have existed for a very long time. Its been this way since the 80s and has only gotten worse. Year after year.

This is what the nationalist faction in the United States has to work with. There are people who actually prefer it would just decend in to crisis and civil war, so that they can come out and just execute all these people. It will be quicker and mor efficient than trying to reform the system while it is still in place.

The political leaders (the pedophiles) think they just need to confiscate everyone's guns and then they can control the population at gun point and just bring the country closer to the soviet union. The media has been taken over by the CIA and its just a brainwashing organ. Companies are causing cancer for profit or pretending a patients lump is cancer, so they can get their kickback on a $400,000 Chemo drug that just murders the patient.

Its just a circus. The empire is going to collapse from internal corruption.All of the people with money and power, just want the system of corruption to continue. They will grab or steal or scam everything they can, while the real power base underneath them is destroyed. They are not planning for tomorrow. They are like a cult and have no contact with reality (just like the Hillary people).

The people inside who are still loyal, are doing whatever they can to reverse this. It will have to get worse before it gets better.

That is the context. Russia is trying to stop a war. Israel is trying to not get destroyed. Fighting families. Revolt within US intelligence community, nationalists vs globalists. People fighting back against the oligarchy.

Its not over yet. Its just starting. Nothing material has changed. The decline has not been reversed yet. Power has not even changed over yet.

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Thanks. OP again. Those are some truly fantastic claims, but unfortunately, much of it is quite believable. I think the thing right now is, there is obviously a lot of people competing over how to define which part of this is "the US" vs "corruption." And there is also, quite predictably, a large offshoot of this coming from the Syrian war, in which we are fighting the Russians, so their bias is obviously mixed into the overall signal. How does this work? What is the difference between this "second nationalist faction that doesn't care about Russia" and "Russia?" This would be extremely helpful.

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> Those are some truly fantastic claims, but unfortunately, much of it is quite believable.

There are no secrets anymore. All intelligence is open source intelligence now. Anyone who researches it can verify it.

It is very easy to find out who is responsible for things, look up who they know and are friends with and who is in their circle. Then meet them at party and just ask them what is going on. You can even contact many of the people on twitter or skype now. They enjoy talking about these things if you do not waste their time or have some information to trade.

The public really does not care who has power or who has money or what they are doing. They are apathetic, NPCs. They do not care. You can poison them and they do not care. Look at the amount of fraud and corruption you can waive in their faces and they will not do anything about it. You can starve them and beat them and they will do nothing about it.

You can go into their country and privatize their water supply and then jack the rates up 10x until people are dying and no one will care. You can tax them until the elderly are freezing to death in the winter because they cannot afford heating and no one cares. They will not do anything back. That is why we have an oligarchy.

You can even replace the whole government (like in Ukraine) and no one will care or even notice. 90% of the public does not even know who the vice president is or know anything about anyone in the government and they dont care.

Its just groups of sociopaths fighting each other for power and the public is an apathetic and irrelevent blob in between.

>What is the difference between this "second nationalist faction that doesn't care about Russia" and "Russia?" This would be extremely helpful.

Nothing. Everyone is working together to stop Clinton. The NSA, parts of the CIA, the FBI, the NYPD, Russia, Israeli, China. Everyone in the world is working together to bring down these people.

Russia has a globalist and a nationalist faction too. The globalist faction people are often outed and forced to flee to Russia to London. The corrupt Chinese people who are globalists also flee to London. Just research which oligarches fled Russia for London. That is the faction currently in power and who is running the pedophile rings to control the politicians.

Russia does not have national interests. Russia is composed of a bunch of oligarches and families, just like the US. Many of the ruling families in the US also have bussiness interests in Russia. Everything is transnational now. Conflicts are between economic interests and families, not between countries.

Russia is not monolithic and has multiple factions. Just like the United States.

The globlist faction has their own military bases in the US and they have mercenaries on them. And people accuse them of being Russian troops. They are trained by Russian military or from when soviet union collapsed, but they are mecenaries. They work for money and the US govt pays the oligarchy to hire Russsian mercenaries for the oligarchy (they are not paying for them, themselves). They do not trust the US military or government.

We all live in one giant, global whore family. Where anything can be bought or sold and national loyalities are irrelevent and the only thing that matters is money.

Look at the history of Rome and the foreign mercenaries they hired, because they did not trust the military and how they ended up looting their own cities. We are living under an oligarchy and are living in the declining stages of empire.



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NSA here.

No, sir, this is coordinated russian attack on USA. Because of current government transition, USA are weakened now at highest management level,
so russian attack - containing cyberattacks, psychological and information attacks, including vast emission of disinformation and deception - can be
more successful.

Wikileaks is one of russian assets. All this childish ARG-like fun you have with ciphers, codes, hidden messages - all this is part of russian fair created for you.
Once again you are used as weapon.

Just like so called ufologists were used to attack secrets of Area51 (which was just a  place for advanced weapon experiments), so "social pressure" from them
disturbed increasing military power of USA, now you are used to disturb other network-related defensive actions against attackers from Russia.

Shame on you all.
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To "NSA here."

The thing is, we like Russia. It's the last white christian country that doesn't promote degeneracy and we will be happy to team up to kill Muslims.


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Also to "NSA here" (I am the OP again).

I do not agree with the below comment about white people and etc. In my analysis, the "white identity politics" thing probably does come from Russia. I expect it is a lot more successful of a pitch in Europe, where people are struggling with the migrant crisis, for Russia to pitch it as "hey look, *WE* aren't the 'weird foreign people' invading your country. In fact, we aren't even the people that put those people there. Why are we the bad guys? We're basically Europeans. This is all the US's fault." In the US, we don't have the same migrant crisis, so "white identity politics" + "fuck the US for these foreign invaders" does not work very well. But I can see clearly how this whole thing stands to benefit Russia and how this came from them. And I do not support this as I am not racist.

Regardless, the very specific questions I asked above about what the hell is going on via the "official story" are still salient. It obviously does not make sense. We see multiple politicians using private email servers that the entirety of the world has been able to see. Classified info is on these servers. Therefore, national security is ruined. It is not possible for the NSA to have missed these. These are basic technological facts.

I am asking this question on behalf of a lot of people, especially young people. We are well aware that Russia has its own motives that are not necessarily in line with ours. We are also well aware that there is an information war taking place. We also see the intelligence community starting to speak out, and the story that they saw massive amounts of government corruption is plausible, given the basic analysis of the email servers.

But we are sick and tired of having this deflected onto the racial politics. These are real questions. We want somebody down there to get out in front of the public, show some real leadership and talk about what is going on. We are sick and tired of not knowing the story. It is enough already. Give us your side of the story. Stop being like "look, Nazis, over there!" It's enough. I get it, some skinhead will respond and claim I'm an outlier and blah blah. Here is the message, loud and clear: THE PUBLIC WANTS TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.

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I sincerely doubt this was a message from NSA. I also doubt that Russia has a lot to do with any of this. The reds under the bed scare is outdated and overplayed. To make a cordial working alliance with Russia where both parties benefit, even if they still eye one another with suspicion, is in the world's best interest. Why is such a thing verboten? It doesn't equate to being best buddies, nor does it equate to supporting what they do at home or in the world. To doggedly insist on not only being incapable of reasonable discussion but further, to continue pressing forward with aggressive posture towards the country is ridiculous. The "official" US stance towards Russia is childish and not unlike the bully on the playground who tells lies to the schoolmaster when his bullying tactics don't work on that one kid. I wonder if some of the intelligence community has also been subject to whatever it is that has nearly lobotomized the masses.

Meanwhile, the corruption in the US government is at a peak of audacity. These actions we've seen paraded before us are the highest levels of treason and yet, nothing is done about it. Instead, we get the 24/7 propaganda machines running so hard the cogs are throwing off sparks. Insert your chosen "-ism" here and foment as much internal national conflict as you possibly can. After years of watching this speed to its current frenzy, it is still a mystery why the ones who pull the strings at the top are so hell bent on seeing the entire country destroyed. Then I look at the world and realize that this is everywhere and all those stories about shadow elites comes flying back. Their facemen don't even don public masks anymore. I don't think there is any way to stop this lunacy until it plays out to its conclusion.

In my assessment, Russia is a bit player at best concerning US internal affairs and the supposed "good" guys are the enemies pushing the people into a war based on tribalist tendencies that will decimate the general population when all is said and done. The immigration stuff is just a tool to those ends. In the 90s, most were pretty damn tolerant and cool with each other. Look at the citizenry now. Pushing people together who have intrinsically different views, cultures, philosophies and languages. Feeding hatred, encouraging violence, silencing any who dare speak against what is of obvious detriment to the well-being of the whole. It is a deliberate tactic of destabilization and Russia isn't the one handing out maps and transportation. In fact, they aren't even the ones stirring the most shit. That would be the current admin who decided propaganda on its own people was a-ok. The same admin that favors lawless actors and sneers at law enforcement, tradition and history. It's pretty interesting to see the parallels with the "leaders" of the EU countries. Clearly, this is a team effort.

But if the useful idiots won't take the bait, we can turn the proxy war with Russia and Co. hot and get a similar result. It is all sheer madness.

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