Guy vs Stalin

Guy vs Stalin
Round 2

Response 1
Stalin
* Stat post
* Thawne is fast, can run on uneven ground and he's a speedy boy.
* Boba is slow and can visually seen having trouble staying on the Rancor
* Thawne is too fast, ergo he blitzes and wins.
* Oro suffers from a bad type match up against Janey who can then seduce him and kill him
* Janey can just crush or rip Oro to death
* Janey is fast and Oro is not
* Oro is not durable
* Oro's TK sucks
* Janey uses hair
* Kodoma is fast and evasive compared to Mom
* Mom's knife throwing sucks
* Kodoma goes into Mom, hits and wins.

Guy
* The character of Thawne with a bullet in his head and Thawne without one are basically two entities
* Thawne does not have access to speed force.
* Thawne actually just sucks physically even not including the above things
* The Rancor is too tanky for Thawne
* Running up surfaces requires build-up, and Thawne does not have the feats  of doing this to moving entities
* Thawne is squishy AF
* Janey has no durability feats
* Oro is faster than Janey, and does not suffer from multiple-action issues
* Oro is also just simply faster
* Mom's knives are REALLY good
* Mom just spams knives and his opponent has no recourse
* Douji is gonna get pelted and kited until he dies due to no real objective speed feats

Response 2
Stalin
* Guy's meta arguments are invalid due to rules
* Rancor is slow and big and offers a viable surface
* Thawne is not as squishy as Guy makes it out to be
* Oro is gonna suffer from being seduced
* Guy's argument about the taser is for one, weird. And for two, it is more objective scaling than what he offered.
* The options kill Oro anyways
* The knife toss with steel beams stuff is an outlier
* Consider all the other feats, the good one is an outlier
* Kodama > Mom
* Guy's claim about Kodama's indecision is lacking context
* Knife bad, Kodama Fast, Moma Slow, Moma still no dura, She'll cum. Bro, this sentence made me laugh. Thanks.

Guy
* Stipulation stuff
* The iteration which Stalin would have argued his own Thawne being actually just sucks
* Thawne's 'strike' feat which was labeled a 'throw' is really suspect as being actually being able to hit
* Stalin's argument doesn't really apply to the rancor when his only feat of running up things isn't like Rancor-like
* Thawne doesn't have jumping feats
* Thawne's win condition doesn't work as intended with the feat shown
* Stalin does not contest Janey's lack of durability feats
* The taser shown does not function like tasers_irl
* Oro isn't gonna get stunned in a life or death situation
* The scene about him getting seduced is taken out of context
* Mom's cuts don't make physical sense and her physics defying cuts aren't outliers
* Mom is very precise
* Dodging good
* Douji's reactions aren't established
* Mom gets imitative is good
* Some pretty cursed arguments

Conclusion:
Alright. For one, I think the meta arguments were kind of veering into the territory of poor sportsmanship. It's one thing to point out "Gotchas" when your opponent does stipulations that don't actually enable them to use certain feats, but trying to argue Zoom doesn't have the speed force or doesn't physically exist was legitimately obnoxious to read. This is the kind of thing where if I caught you writing it on /r/whowouldwin actual, I'd probably have good grounds to ban you for trolling.

That said, I do think in the end Guy actually manages to legitimately attack the actual usefulness of Stalin's characters. While I buy the notion Zoom can run up surfaces and what not, Guy points out that a Rancor and a straight building isn't the thing same, and Zoom running up it isn't exactly gonna be as easily 1:1. Coupled with Zoom's damage seeming not all that great, I'd give that one to Guy. Guy also covers up Moma being a good pick, but I'd be shaky on it given the slew of anti-feats of knife embedment. I only think she wins because I buy his initiative argument if nothing else. I am half and half on the "skill so not anti-feats", but I buy it just enough for purposes of giving the win to Guy here. If the debate continued to round 3, I'd probably be convinced otherwise, but this is otherwise the shakiest point that I think Guy has.

Janey lowkey is a bad pick imo with literally zero durability feats and no gimmick to cover that up.