Download/Crayray #501

Download/Crayray #501

#1
https://epicmafia.com/game/5834239/review

Crayray is janitor, Download is blue.
D1, Download outs with a random guilty. At the same time, Crayray outs with a guilty on Download.
Immediately she retracts, possibly because she realized Download is sheriff (as she guiltied someone who isn’t mafia). The problem here is the way she does so:

03:44

Crayray
download guilty
03:48

Crayray
lol
03:55

Crayray
actually download inno


Crayray
i hardclaim


This is basically like scumclaiming here. Of course, the real cop counterclaims, and Crayray gets shot without much hesitation.

It’s important to note here that journalism is lynched after, which is suboptimal because cop is still alive and reports are much needed. This disproves the theory that there might be rolesharing between them, at least at this point in the round, as Crayray would’ve just told Download who the other two mafia are.

However, what Crayray did here could most definitely indicate gamethrowing or even meta abuse. This will be compared with other games later on in the round to prove or disprove this theory.

#2
https://epicmafia.com/game/5851937/review

Download is journalist, Ray is blue.
First thing Ray does is claim blue, out of nowhere. This apparently makes Download claim with no report on her.

08:36

Download
shoot in cops
08:37

Download
pls
08:45

Download
and dont shoot my report
Download
u dont know who jan is

There is actually no reason to say this. She is not a cop report. She’s only clear of janitor, she could very well be lawyer or nilla. It’s illogical to protect her as she though she is an inno report or something, since from her point of view, janitor is most likely in cop claims anyway.

Since the janitor fucked up, both her and his lawyer are shot/lynched, and only one mafia is left the following night.

They fail to find last mafia until the last day, and then this happens:

13:17

RRRAAAYYY...
FEAR YOU KNOW IF I WAS MAF I WOULDN'T PUSH AND SETUP FOR TODAY
13:45

RRRAAAYYY...
Fear you know i wouldn't kill download she is running
13:56

RRRAAAYYY...
@FearDarkness
you know that
14:21

RRRAAAYYY...
i doubt fear or me kill download who is running

This is extremely damning. For one, Download is clear journalist. Why leave her alive “because she is running” instead of going for 3 way no clear? This indicates Ray is not playing towards her win condition, but Download’s. And it’s very blatant that is the case.

They lynch right, and Download wins.


#3
https://epicmafia.com/game/5851870

Download and Ray are both blue together.
This is a game in which Download dies N3 and Ray has to carry the 3 way. Upon dying, Download immediately asks who the mafia is. She even pings Nobody, and asks for the last mafia over and over.

14:54

Download
Nobody
15:19

Download
is become last
15:21

Nobody
yeah
15:23

Download
i hope so


Why answer like that? Why does she need to know so badly? She can just wait for the hammer.

The thing is, right after Becomeclear is confirmed last mafia through graveyard, Ray starts hard appealing to Puppy, the other town, saying things like this:

15:40

RRRAAAYYY...
@PuppySonata
puppy you are clear
16:02

RRRAAAYYY...
puppy if i was maf i could have voted download too and push on town on lylo
16:14

RRRAAAYYY...
@PuppySonata
so i am town with you
16:31

RRRAAAYYY...
if become was town he was gting there not lynching confirmed
17:01

RRRAAAYYY...
@PuppySonata
become is mafia
20:13

RRRAAAYYY...
i thought he is town trolling
20:18

RRRAAAYYY...
yes now i know he is maf
After seeing Puppy doubts her still, she gets desperate and starts capsing. At the end, Puppy ends up giving up and hammers Becomeclear.

Download wins.

#4
https://epicmafia.com/game/5846849/review

Download and Crayray are both blues
Crayray gets extremely upset after cop mishammers her. This is where things get weird. Journalist is janned, but Crayray claimed Journ D1 as blue. After Crayray dies and has graveyard vision, she outs the cop’s real report. Only situation where this is plausible (except for a really, really good read) is if Crayray told her the mafia. It’s too much of a coincidence. She then retracts that report, and says she has two innos, but after realizing that won’t give her autowin, she does this instead:


Download
remember
20:15

Download
my real report shooting lawyer
20:17

Download
ahahhahaa

They proceed to lynch the nilla. Even the last day, Download is still claiming journalist, and after clearing the other town, they end up lynching right.
All in all, this is a very damning game.

#5
https://epicmafia.com/game/5834286/review

Download is N1’d, and Crayray proceeds to metaclear herself:

02:04

Crayray
that fear kill
02:13

Crayray
i'm meta clear as i don't kill my bestie

This is honest meta - She certainly does not kill Download, much less when she has proven that she’s playing towards her win condition over her own on this round.

Nilla gets shot, and Crayray keeps going over the same thing to clear herself:


Crayray
@Rushian
i know she is my bestie

04:48

Crayray
i would never n1 her

05:04

Crayray
i am meta clear

The janitor is janned afterwards, and the game turns into town autowin.

#6
https://epicmafia.com/game/5835247/review

Download is sheriff, Crayray is journalist.
In this game, it is Crayray who is N1’d. We don’t get to see whether Download tries to metaclear herself like Crayray did because considering she is autoclear, that’s not necessary. She performs a reaction test by guiltying Gerry as journalist. After doing so, she keeps asking for a journ counterclaim - This could be because she knows Crayray’s role so she wants one confirmed mafia from her point of view.

For some reason, she shoots the inno. Gerry demands hammer and after going back and forth with her he actually gets it. Lawyer is lynched.
At this point, Crayray has graveyard vision. Mafia kills Gerry, who is cleared blue, over cop. She asks for self votes, saying “I knew Gerry was blue”, which makes no sense because Gerry opened D1 with a random guilty and immediately retracted, which made him very scummy for the entire day until he cleared himself.

She asks for selfvotes and quickhammers the janitor. For some reason, mafia kills sheriff and not cop, giving them town autowin again.

#7
https://epicmafia.com/game/5836598/review

CoralineJones is blue, Download is mafia.
In this game, CoralineJones outs as blue right at the start again. Download tries to metaclear herself by saying she would have N1’d Fading instead - She gets guiltied by cop.
Crayray starts pushing on Jeff who is real cop by saying Download is real, with no real reasoning I must add, when the logical thing to believe here is the cop with the guilty is the real one because mafia rarely random guilties in this setup to avoid guiltying sheriff.

For some reason, the cop is shot, and of course that confirms both his cc and Download.
After both confirmed mafia are lynched, CoralineJones starts tunneling Journalist, when the Journalist is most likely real as there were cop counterclaims:

17:48

CoralineJ...
pinche shuper are a team
19:18

CoralineJ...
shuper is maffffff
20:35

CoralineJ...
no
20:42

CoralineJ...
shuper is maf
22:23

CoralineJ...
vote shuper
23:03

CoralineJ...
@DoubleBackslash
you are trash town
23:08

CoralineJ...
if you don't see this

CoralineJ...
why they kept shuper and killed trash sheriff
23:23

CoralineJ...
cause shuper can't kill himself

D6, she actually starts asking for people to vote her?

25:33

CoralineJ...
you think i'm maf shuper
25:38

CoralineJ...
defending jan to dead
25:41

CoralineJ...
ok

CoralineJ...
then gg
25:47

CoralineJ...
everyone vote me

The problem here is that Coraline sort of slips, because she starts appealing to Shuper as though he is clear, when the previous day she scumread him - This means she actually knew Shuper is real Journalist, otherwise, the flip on him is unjustified.

They keep NLing cause mafia keeps NKing, and it drags until D9. When day starts, and Fading is killed, she goes back to tunneling the journalist, who she’d treated as clear before. She votes Shuper and tells last mafia to vote whoever they like, which is not even playing towards her win condition, because if you’re sure of your read, you’ll try to convince who you think is town to vote with you. And if you’re unsure, you’ll at least try not to get lynched, because that automatically means a loss. Coraline is not trying to win this game at all.
Mafia wins.
#8
https://epicmafia.com/game/5838972/review

Download is sheriff, MurderBae is lawyer.
MurderBae’s opening is this one, which literally makes no sense:

06:31

MurderBae
ishhhhh
06:36

MurderBae
lol

There are journalist counterclaims and Download shoots wrong, to which MurderBae has a reaction which she would definitely not have if she flipped town:

08:18

MurderBae
omggg

They lynch confirmed mafia after, and for some reason, that night, MurderBae forces NK when she sees her partner trying to kill Download.

Both cops guilty her the following day, so she gets lynched, and without either alive, town wins in 4 way.

The really suspicious part about this game is the way MurderBae forces NK because she doesn’t want to kill Download, which is actually the optimal move here because her partner is counterclaiming cop.

MurderBae tries to act upset at endgame, but it’s obviously forced and not the same as when she gets upset when someone makes Download lose.

#9
https://epicmafia.com/game/5839016/review

Download is blue, MurderBae is mafia
In this game, Download quickly tries to appeal and meta clear herself.

03:37

Download
bae r u town
03:41

MurderBae
yes i am

Download
okay u know i wouldnt n1 rushian
03:52

Download
?
03:59

MurderBae
i would
04:03

MurderBae
but i didn't
04:04

Download
i wouldnt

After this very suspicious interaction, she asks for the clear to hammer the lawyer. MurderBae even encourages it, by affirming over and over that all PRs are clear, and just with that she is all set for autoloss.

#10
https://epicmafia.com/game/5839035/review

Download is blue, MurderBae is lawyer.
After a long back and forth double CC of both PRs, both of them begin their meta abuse interaction again:

10:27

Download
CRAY DID U GRUDGEKILL BRENDa BTW
10:34

MurderBae
@Download
no

MurderBae
@Download
do you think i did

MurderBae
@Download
frame me
10:51

Download
cray look into my eyes and say u didnt

MurderBae
@Download
0.0
11:14

MurderBae
dead stare with no blink

After this, Download gets the information she needs to push on MurderBae.

12:06

Download
shwartz
12:09

Download
pls shoot in blues
12:19

Download
uni or murder idk

But sheriff shoots cop. MurderBae has no reaction, when she has shown very aggressive reactions when they are both town and sheriff gets a lynch wrong. Also, she always reacts intensely when she is town and Download scumreads her, saying things like “you read me wrong again and we lose together”, but in this game, she doesn’t even respond when Download mentions her as a possible shot. She doesn’t say anything instead and votes confirmed mafia.

D2, they do the whole meta thing again:

18:31

Download
murderbae
18:33

Download
if ur mafia
18:35

Download
u won

18:56

Download
MURDERBAE

Download
R U MA
19:03

Download
murderbae
19:05

Download
ARE U MAFIA

MurderBae
@Download
I AM NOT MAFIA
19:08

MurderBae
i told you
19:11

Download
THATS ALl im aSkING

20:14

MurderBae
@Download
i don't like the fact that you refer to universal as town

20:25

Download
murderbae

Download
ur scum
20:32

Download
no way u sr me here

This is absolutely true: When MurderBae is town, she never scumreads Download. She might out a soft read on her, but she changes it quickly or just treats her as obvious town. When Download is mafia, she just ignores her presence or tries to push on town instead.

20:39

MurderBae
@Download
i don't
20:57

MurderBae
but the way you putting it is that he is dumb town and he should flip on me
21:29

Download
no im not saying it was a slip
21:31

Download
but
21:51

Download
i can see u double ccing as mafia

After a bit more of debating, she randomly outs this:

25:13

Download
BTW IM SURE MURDER IS SCUM HERE
25:18

Download
SHE IS COastING AS FUCK

MurderBae then says she’s gonna deathtunnel Download in a very scummy way, and her partner gets lynched. She is the only one to vote outside, with no reasoning, making herself obvious.

The 3 way is just MurderBae counterclaiming Download in a very scummy way, almost as if she’s asking to get lynched.


Download
UNIVERSAL UR CLEAR
27:36

MurderBae
yo download you are still maf

Download is very emotional, and keeps capsing, and most of the time, MurderBae fails to respond to that emotion. If both of them were town, they would not be tunneling each other this way.

After a lot of arguing, Download finally realizes she is actually clear because she is the inno report and only lawyer is left. When this is revealed to MurderBae, she keeps appealing to Universal instead of backrailing to appeal to Download:

33:46

MurderBae
@UniversalStudios
dude i am not maf

She then gives up and hammers the vote on herself.


MurderBae
rolf
33:57

MurderBae
too tired

#11
https://epicmafia.com/game/5852014/review

Ray is sheriff, Download is lawyer.
Ray opens the day claiming cop with inno on dead. It doesn’t work and she ends up admitting she is sheriff.
For no reason, she shoots a random blue instead of shooting in cops, and then she hammers janitor.
The following day, Download starts hard ateing Ray again:

12:54

Download
ray do u trust me
12:59

Download
NL DO U TRUST ME
13:00

Download
?

13:09

Download
give me hammer

13:17

Download
clear me for tomorrow

The fact she is even asking for hammer instead of letting her (sheriff) do it is scummy in itself, and it’s representative of the kind of relationship they have when playing. That is, most players would react in a way that screams “are you crazy? why would I give you hammer when I’m clear and you’re not?” but Download has no issues asking her because she knows Ray plays for her win condition and not her own.

After a long day, Ray mishammers again, knowing she will not be alive the following day to mishammer. Actually, Download makes sure to remind her of this:

12:43

Download
ur dying

Before hammering, however, Ray outs a dying townread on Download just in case:


RRRAAAYYY...
download is town

Mafia wins.

Conclusion:
There might be rolesharing in these games, but this is most definitely meta abuse. Download and Ray don’t push on each other when they are both town. When Download is mafia, Ray TR’s her. When Ray is mafia, Download can tell and pushes on her accordingly.
There are no games in which they mishammer or hard push on the other as town. If there is a scumread between them, unless Ray is mafia, it is very soft and they take it back very soon.
Ray only tryhards in games when she feels she can make Download win by doing so. If they are opposite alignments, she doesn’t try at all, and will even give up easily.
Ray is, most definitely, not playing towards her win condition, as proven in this pastebin. There is no reason for her to change and adapt her playstyle so much unless she is doing it according to what they both flip.
Download even spends several minutes asking Ray if she is mafia in several games, and also, Ray only hardclaims blue when she actually is.