Twitter Space - RFK Jr., Elon Musk, David Sacks, Michael Shellenberger et al - Jun 5 2023

474380	477380	Alright everybody let's get started.
477380	484380	I'm excited to introduce our co-host here Bobby Kennedy Jr. and Elon.
484380	488380	I'll start by introducing Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
488380	491380	I think everyone already knows he's the nephew of President John F. Kennedy.
491380	495380	He's the son of Senator and Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy,
495380	500380	who was assassinated after winning the California primary in the 1968 presidential election.
500380	502380	Before entering presidential politics,
502380	506380	RFK Jr. was an environmental lawyer and activist in many areas.
506380	509380	He was most famous for cleaning up the Hudson River.
509380	513380	He was also outspoken on indigenous rights, peace and civil liberties.
513380	516380	He's also the founder of Children's Health Defense,
516380	519380	a non-profit that protects children from toxic chemical assault
519380	522380	from pharmaceutical drugs and environmental pollution.
522380	525380	So with that, Bobby and Elon,
525380	528380	I think we're all excited to hear what you guys have to say.
528380	531380	Elon, a real pleasure meeting you.
531380	535380	Thank you so much for hosting us.
535380	537380	You're most welcome.
537380	542380	I think this is a great opportunity for the public to hear directly from you
542380	546380	and really looking forward to what you have to say.
546380	552380	I also just want to thank you for your leadership on just breaking this,
552380	555380	the whole censorship.
555380	561380	In fact, I say one thing that Twitter was always kind of the last refuge
561380	566380	for those of us who were trying to talk about issues
566380	570380	that departed from the official orthodoxies
570380	573380	that were being censored on the other platforms.
573380	578380	The first real effort that censorship happened in February of 2019
578380	586380	when Adam Schiff sent a letter to the heads of all the social media sites
586380	594380	on Google, Facebook, which now met on Instagram, YouTube, Pinterest, and others,
594380	600380	and demanding that they start censoring information about vaccines
600380	606380	that was not compliant with the official narratives.
606380	615380	And the only place, the only group that resisted Schiff at that time
615380	619380	was the Intelligence Committee, so that was kind of the first indicator
619380	624380	that the intelligence apparatus had an interest in public health.
624380	630380	And the only one of the social media sites to resist those implications
630380	638380	was Twitter when Jack was running things,
638380	643380	and he, for some reason, he was able to say no to them when the rest of them weren't.
643380	645380	So I'm very, very happy.
645380	653380	And your arrival at Twitter, Elon, has been, I think, a breath of fresh air for our country.
653380	657380	You somehow understood, although you're from South Africa,
657380	660380	you somehow understood the tradition of free expression
660380	663380	and how important that is to American democracy.
663380	667380	So I'm very, very grateful to you.
667380	669380	You're most welcome.
669380	678380	Yes, I think it's absolutely essential to have a robust democracy.
678380	681380	We must have free speech.
681380	687380	In the absence of that, democracy simply cannot function.
687380	691380	Yeah, it is free speech.
691380	696380	And the free flow of information is the water, it's the sunlight, it's the fertilizer,
696380	698380	it's the soil of democracy.
698380	701380	Without it, democracy withers and dies.
701380	705380	There's never been a time in history when we look back and say
705380	708380	that the people who are sense-turning free speech with the good guys,
708380	710380	they're always the bad guys.
710380	715380	It's always the first step toward totalitarianism.
715380	721380	But also, it's one of the things that the constitutional framers understood
721380	725380	that totalitarian systems have a huge advantage over democracy
725380	727380	because they're more efficient.
727380	730380	Democracy is sloppy, it's slow.
730380	736380	It advances two steps and then retreats one step.
736380	744380	It is the product of a lot of debate, which is slow-moving and laborious.
744380	750380	And the only advantage, the big advantage that we have over totalitarian systems
750380	759380	is that the ideas that mature into policies are first annealed in a furnace of debate.
759380	764380	And the best ideas then triumph in this marketplace of ideas,
764380	767380	which does not happen at totalitarian systems.
767380	773380	And that's one of the things, the dynamics that the framers of our constitutional understood
773380	779380	that we would be able to out-compete totalitarian systems and outlast them
779380	786380	because of this dynamic that produced policies through debate
786380	794380	and through discussion and conversation rather than through dictation.
794380	798380	Absolutely, I couldn't agree more.
798380	806380	The thing about democracy and free speech is that it's like washing your laundry in public.
806380	812380	Yes, you see things that perhaps there's dirty laundry, but at least you see it.
812380	814380	It's not hidden.
814380	821380	And it's essential to have that debate, even if you disagree strongly with one side of the debate.
821380	829380	If you don't allow such debates, I think people who are in favor of censorship
829380	835380	really need to understand that unless people that you don't like can say things that you don't like,
835380	837380	it's not free speech.
837380	844380	And if you start censoring, it's only a matter of time before that censorship is turned upon you.
844380	853380	I mean, the First Amendment was written not for easy speech and likable speech and lovable people.
853380	859380	It was written for hard times and to protect speech that nobody wants you to say.
859380	868380	And I remember in 1977 when the Nazis wanted to march through Skokie, Illinois,
868380	874380	which was a Jewish neighborhood, and the liberals of this country, the ACLU,
874380	879380	turned out in force to support that right even though they were appalled and disgusted
879380	883380	by what the Nazis were saying and doing.
883380	889380	Everybody agreed that we had to be willing to die for their right to do so.
889380	895380	And that was the whole base of democracy is that we allow people to talk.
895380	902380	And one of the things that prompted me to run for president is what you were talking about
902380	905380	is the end of transparency in our country.
905380	910380	The government, there's so much going on now that is done secretively
910380	919380	where the decision-making is opaque, where there are people who are making decisions
919380	924380	who are not necessarily elected officials at the publicist fence out.
924380	931380	And so many Americans today feel like the promise of democracy has been a bait and switch
931380	937380	and that we're no longer living in a democratic system where we are actually the sovereign
937380	943380	of our own destinies, the sovereign, the deciders of our own fate.
943380	949380	That people over whom we have no control, that money and trust, that large corporations
949380	956380	have taken over this kind of merger of state and corporate power that's happened in Washington, D.C.
956380	962380	and the state capitals has not only turned our regulatory agencies into predators
962380	966380	against the American people, they're supposed to be our protectors.
967380	973380	But also that all the decision-making, the real decision-making has been taken from the American public
973380	978380	and that, you know, you see so many people, I'm in rural Pennsylvania today
978380	985380	and I'm surrounded by people who feel despair about our country or disillusioned
985380	989380	or are struggling with poverty for reasons that they don't understand
989380	994380	but they feel like they no longer are the masters of their own destiny.
994380	997380	And I think a lot of that is because it's true.
997380	1004380	Our government has become an instrument of corporate power and it is not telling
1004380	1009380	and because of that it has to lie to us, you know, it can't afford to be transparent
1009380	1015380	because it actually told us what it was up to and why it was making certain decisions
1015380	1017380	people wouldn't put up with it.
1017380	1021380	So everything has to be cloaked in fear and deception
1021380	1026380	and I think, you know, Americans, even though they don't understand it
1026380	1030380	they understand that something very, very wrong is happening to them.
1032380	1038380	Absolutely. The thing actually I find truly bizarre and very different from the past
1038380	1044380	is that it's not just large corporations and government that are in collusion
1044380	1047380	which has actually been the case for a while.
1048380	1053380	I think it was Eisenhower that warned us about the military industrial complex, for example,
1053380	1056380	and he's someone who really knew about it.
1056380	1063380	But the thing that I find difficult to forgive is that the legacy of traditional media
1063380	1071380	is also almost entirely with some exceptions working in lockstep with the government
1072380	1081380	and with corporate America and it is really their obligation to question the government
1081380	1085380	not to go along with it and be their mouthpiece in the United States.
1085380	1087380	This is insane.
1087380	1092380	I mean the function of media traditionally is supposed as the guardians of the First Amendment
1092380	1097380	they're supposed to speak truth to power and instead they've become propaganda vessels
1097380	1103380	for the powerful, for the military industrial complex, for the pharmaceutical companies
1103380	1107380	and for other large corporations.
1107380	1115380	One of the mechanisms with which that media capture has taken place is by through advertising
1115380	1121380	and particularly in the pharmaceutical realm, in 1997 we changed the law in this country.
1121380	1129380	We had always forbidden the use of the media to sell pharmaceutical products.
1129380	1133380	There was no direct consumer advertising of pharmaceutical products.
1133380	1135380	It was against the law.
1135380	1147380	FDA changed that law in 1997 and it launched a tsunami of pharmaceutical dollars into the advertising space
1147380	1154380	and it gave the pharmaceutical companies control not only of the platform for advertising their products
1154380	1157380	but also control of content on nightly news.
1157380	1160380	I had this weird meeting with Roger Ailes.
1160380	1166380	Roger Ailes is the founder of Fox News and I had this very strange relationship with him
1166380	1172380	because I spent three months in a tent with him in East Africa when I was 19 years old
1172380	1175380	and that was before he started Fox News.
1175380	1180380	Once he started Fox News he became kind of this Darth Vader figure for me
1180380	1188380	but despite the fact that all the things he was doing to our country were antithetical to what I believed
1188380	1192380	and I kept this very fond personal friendship with him
1192380	1197380	and he would allow me on his network
1197380	1204380	and he would require his hosts like Hannity and Neil Cavuto and Bill O'Reilly
1204380	1207380	to put me on to talk about environmental issues.
1207380	1212380	I was the only environmentalist during those years who was regularly going on Fox News
1212380	1220380	and in 2016 I had done a documentary on mercury in vaccines
1220380	1224380	and I showed it to him and he was very interested
1224380	1228380	and he had a family member who he thought had been injured by a vaccine
1228380	1232380	and he said unfortunately I can't help you with this
1232380	1239380	and he said that any of his hosts who allowed me on TV to talk about this
1239380	1241380	that he would be forced to fire them
1241380	1248380	and he said that 75% of his advertising revenues for the nightly news shows
1248380	1250380	were at that point coming from pharma.
1250380	1255380	He told me that on average there is 22 advertisements on a nightly news show
1255380	1260380	and 17 to 18 of those are typically pharmaceutical ads
1260380	1266380	and he said if any of his hosts allowed me on to their show without checking with him
1266380	1271380	he would be forced to fire them and if he didn't he would get a call from Rupert
1271380	1274380	but he said from Rupert within 10 minutes
1274380	1278380	and of course he met Rupert Murdoch who was the owner of Fox News
1278380	1286380	and that kind of gave me insight to why nobody on TV wanted to talk about these things
1286380	1291380	because as I said the pharmaceutical industry not only is dictating
1291380	1295380	is using those shows, the platform to advertise its product
1295380	1298380	but there's only two countries in the world that allow direct-to-consumer advertising
1298380	1302380	one is New Zealand, the other is the United States
1302380	1305380	and largely as a result of that
1305380	1310380	we take three times the pharmaceutical drugs of any other western nation
1310380	1314380	and we have the worst health outcomes
1314380	1317380	we pay more for health care than any other nation
1317380	1320380	and I think we're 79th in the world
1320380	1326380	we're behind I think Mongolia and Cuba and Costa Rica and our health outcomes
1326380	1334380	and pharmaceutical drugs are now the third leading cause of death in our country
1334380	1337380	cancer and heart disease
1337380	1340380	and it's not just pharmaceutical companies
1340380	1343380	I was watching the other day Good Morning America
1343380	1347380	and there was an advertisement I think it was like General Dynamics
1347380	1349380	on Good Morning America
1349380	1354380	there's nobody in the audience of Good Morning America who was buying killer drones
1354380	1359380	and so why is General Dynamics advertising on Good Morning America
1359380	1365380	well of course they're doing those advertisements because they want to dictate the content
1365380	1369380	they want to be able to have an editorial control
1369380	1372380	over the kind of Overton window
1372380	1378380	that Good Morning America is permitted
1378380	1382380	within which discussions on Good Morning America are permitted
1382380	1385380	so they want to make sure that we're
1385380	1388380	that Americans are enthusiastic about our wars
1388380	1392380	and about our belligerent national policies
1392380	1395380	so that they can continue selling weapons
1395380	1404380	and unfortunately those are the forces that are dictating a lot of the official narrative
1404380	1408380	that we hear from NetworkPV and from the Corporate Owned Television
1408380	1413380	Yeah, in fact
1413380	1424380	Twitter has seen extreme pressure from advertisers
1424380	1435380	and has at least in the West seen an advertising boycott from a lot of companies
1435380	1440380	I would like to for sure thank those companies that have stuck with us
1440380	1444380	like Apple and Disney and many others
1444380	1448380	but we have in
1448380	1453380	for North America and Europe seen
1453380	1457380	roughly half of our advertising
1457380	1462380	disappear overnight simply because we insist on free speech
1462380	1466380	so what you're talking about I think the public does not realize
1466380	1470380	the magnitude of the pressure
1470380	1475380	extreme financial pressure that is placed upon organizations
1475380	1478380	to toe the line by advertisers
1478380	1482380	and I think this is a fundamental corruption of democracy
1482380	1486380	and the public should be absolutely outraged by this
1486380	1490380	and some of you have done about it
1490380	1495380	I think it's insane that they're literally trying to drive Twitter macro
1495380	1506380	I was really curious about your decision to release the Twitter files
1506380	1510380	because if I had been your attorney
1510380	1513380	and I wouldn't be because I'm not a corporate attorney
1513380	1518380	but I can't imagine that any attorney for Twitter told you that was a good idea
1518380	1522380	and there was a time we were suing
1522380	1527380	the social media companies for the censorship
1527380	1530380	and when we heard that you were taking over Twitter
1530380	1533380	our attorneys came to us and said
1533380	1537380	Elon Musk seems very very sympathetic to free speech
1537380	1540380	maybe we should tell him that we're about to sue them all
1540380	1544380	but then we'll drop Twitter from the lawsuit if he releases
1544380	1548380	the records of his communications with the White House
1548380	1552380	and for people who don't understand this
1552380	1558380	companies like Twitter are regarded as essentially publishing platforms
1558380	1564380	and if you're a publisher you can print anything you want
1564380	1567380	and you can refuse to print anything you want
1567380	1570380	the government doesn't control that and nobody else
1570380	1575380	in the New York Times you have an absolute right not to print an editorial by Robert Kennedy
1575380	1578380	that's not censorship
1578380	1581380	censorship is when the government tells you to do it
1581380	1589380	so Twitter, so we could not sue Instagram for deplatforming me
1589380	1595380	but if we could prove that the government pressured Mark Zuckerberg
1595380	1599380	to have Instagram deplatform me
1599380	1604380	then the First Amendment is implicated and it becomes illegal under American law
1604380	1607380	we had that proof for some of the companies
1607380	1611380	but it really was right on the borderline of whether judges would accept it or not
1611380	1615380	and it would have been very very valuable to us at that time
1615380	1620380	the kind of information that was released in the Twitter files
1620380	1625380	it would be I at that time told my attorneys I don't think Elon would do that
1625380	1629380	because his attorneys are going to tell him it would be insane
1629380	1634380	because it would subject Twitter to a litigation to a liability risk
1634380	1641380	and I was so surprised and delighted when you did that on your own
1641380	1649380	and you know clearly you've been portrayed as somebody who is kind of this sinister agenda
1649380	1654380	but you're doing step after step that is not in your self-interest
1654380	1659380	and that is clearly designed to protect freedom of speech
1659380	1666380	and is designed for you know is coming out of some deeper place than financial self-interest for you
1666380	1670380	and I just want to tell you how much I admire you for that Elon
1670380	1674380	and how grateful I am on behalf of my country
1674380	1677380	that you would come here from another country
1677380	1685380	and be the key instrument for rescuing American democracy and freedom of speech
1685380	1691380	during a time of you know when a lot of people were turning their backs on our constitution
1695380	1700380	yeah it's definitely has been extremely difficult
1701380	1708380	if we if Twitter simply told the line and did everything that the advertisers
1708380	1713380	and especially this sort of various nonprofits that pressure the advertisers
1713380	1719380	and you know the whole sort of ESG DEI movement
1719380	1727380	which is sort of having a much bigger effect on the actions of corporations
1727380	1735380	and people realize I mean if we simply told the line like everyone else
1735380	1741380	we would have it's billions of dollars a year in difference
1741380	1746380	basically our revenue is cut in half because we didn't tell the line
1746380	1750380	so just it at the magnitude of this is extreme
1750380	1758380	and it's frankly a struggle for Twitter to break even
1758380	1761380	we're hoping to break even but we're not there yet
1761380	1767380	and but I don't care how much it costs or what it takes
1767380	1772380	if we lose free speech we lose democracy, lose democracy
1772380	1776380	America fools, America fools, I don't know what happens to the world
1776380	1778380	but it's not a good thing
1778380	1786380	I mean I'd love to hear any kind of details about did you talk to attorneys before you
1786380	1790380	before you released the Twitter files did you talk to anybody else
1790380	1794380	and told you you must be out of your mind to be doing this
1794380	1798380	oh yeah absolutely everyone I mean every lawyer advised against it
1798380	1802380	and said it was insane and that would get into a huge trouble
1802380	1808380	and I would be sued to Halagon and it would be a massive disaster
1808380	1813380	I don't care
1813380	1816380	I don't care
1816380	1823380	I mean it's easy for people to take for granted
1823380	1826380	the system we have here in the United States
1826380	1830380	but it really doesn't exist anywhere else
1830380	1835380	not even in Canada, I'm half Canadian
1835380	1840380	and you don't have the free speech rights in Canada that you have in the United States
1840380	1845380	perhaps a new government in Canada at some point will enact those rights
1845380	1847380	because it's incredibly important
1847380	1854380	but I think if we don't protect free speech at all costs
1854380	1858380	we don't have a functioning democracy
1858380	1862380	if we don't have a functioning democracy nothing else matters
1862380	1865380	let me ask you another question
1865380	1873380	what is it in your background that you think gave you such firm convictions
1873380	1881380	where you'd be willing to take this huge massive unspeakable economic hit
1881380	1887380	on behalf of a principle for a country in which you weren't even born
1888380	1894380	well I should say I do very much consider myself an American
1894380	1897380	so
1901380	1906380	what do you think it was in your background and your childhood or whatever
1906380	1911380	were there any time was there something that you know was it a civics lesson
1911380	1914380	was it a professor was it
1915380	1922380	I well I I love studying history
1922380	1925380	history of civilizations
1925380	1928380	history of all kinds
1928380	1931380	and
1931380	1935380	while of course the United States have made mistakes
1935380	1940380	and it is not perfect and it is at times done things that are wrong
1941380	1950380	I am of the firm belief that the United States has been the greatest force for benevolence in world history
1950380	1957380	and this is again not to excuse mistakes or bad things
1957380	1966380	and that is I think the evidence for the United States being a benevolent force in the world is overwhelming
1967380	1974380	you look at things like the Marshall Plan after World War II
1974380	1982380	at the end of World War II the United States had overwhelming military might had the nuclear bomb
1982380	1985380	the United States could have taken over the world
1985380	1988380	it could have acquired whatever countries it wanted
1988380	1991380	and yet it didn't do any of that
1991380	1999380	in fact it gave money to the countries that had been fighting
2002380	2005380	I am not sure if that has ever happened in history
2005380	2007380	it helped rebuild
2007380	2011380	the United States helped rebuild Germany and Japan
2011380	2015380	helped rebuild Japan even after things like Pearl Harbor
2015380	2022380	maybe this has happened before actually but I am not aware of it
2022380	2030380	and so I am very in favor of America
2030380	2033380	again it is not to say that we can't do better
2033380	2038380	we do want to do better we want to maintain that
2039380	2045380	but anyway so I am a huge fan of it
2045380	2057380	and I also want to point out I don't have any homes outside of the United States
2057380	2064380	I do not carry any other passport and I will live and die here
2064380	2070380	that is very very moving and very very admirable
2070380	2075380	and thank you for your service and commitment to our country
2075380	2083380	I have been watching you and watching the way that you have been mischaracterized by the press
2083380	2086380	mischaracterized by people in my party
2086380	2091380	the Democratic Party as somebody who was a threat to democracy
2091380	2095380	when everything that you have done has indicated
2095380	2101380	you are just an incredible commitment
2101380	2109380	during the revolution we lost between 25,000 and 70,000 people during the revolution
2109380	2114380	who died to give us our constitution
2114380	2119380	and those people also put their livelihoods on the line
2119380	2121380	they put their property on the line
2121380	2127380	they put their financial status and their social status on the line
2127380	2131380	and in a way that you know for principles
2131380	2135380	and you know I have watched you do the same thing
2135380	2138380	and you have been such an example to other Americans
2138380	2142380	of how we ought to be behaving even if it costs us a lot of money
2142380	2147380	and even if the risks don't seem worth the personal risks don't seem worth it
2148380	2154380	you have done that and you have done it without having any kind of reputational benefit from it
2154380	2156380	you have been filified for it
2156380	2159380	so I want to thank you there
2159380	2164380	I do want to ask you a question about
2164380	2169380	I really started admiring you when I saw an interview that you did years ago
2169380	2175380	where you said that we should be terrified of AI
2175380	2179380	that you said, I think I quote you this, you said
2179380	2183380	you said first it's going to take our jobs and then it's going to kill us
2183380	2191380	and so you know and that felt like real honesty to me from somebody
2191380	2194380	who is at the center of the tech industry
2194380	2197380	and even you know working on AI stuff
2197380	2200380	and then I see what you're doing with Neuralink
2200380	2206380	and it seems to me that that is a technology that could potentially be really horrifically
2206380	2211380	denigrating to democracy and human freedoms
2211380	2213380	if it's taking the wrong direction
2213380	2216380	so what are your thoughts about that?
2220380	2227380	Neuralink, first of all it's important to appreciate Neuralink
2227380	2234380	which for those who aren't aware of it is Neuralink is developing brain to computer interfaces
2234380	2239380	to allow direct communication with the brain
2239380	2242380	Neuralink will progress very slowly
2242380	2248380	because anytime you have a device implanted in a human
2248380	2257380	the FDA requirements I think correctly are extremely difficult
2257380	2263380	and you have to path many hurdles to have that work
2263380	2267380	the first applications that we're talking about are simply enabling
2267380	2271380	someone who is a quadriplegic or tetriplegic
2271380	2275380	someone who has lost a connection from their brain to their body
2275380	2278380	to be able to communicate
2278380	2284380	so you can imagine say Stephen Hawking was able to communicate
2284380	2288380	as well as someone with a fully functional body
2288380	2291380	that would be incredible
2291380	2296380	so for many years the applications simply be to enable functionality
2296380	2302380	that people have lost due to spinal or brain injuries
2302380	2312380	long term I think it has hopefully some chance of mitigating
2312380	2317380	the artificial intelligence existential risk
2317380	2324380	by enabling a closer symbiosis of AI and humans
2324380	2328380	and I certainly agree that this is not without risk
2328380	2333380	and it's something we need to be very careful with how it's done
2333380	2336380	but I just want to emphasize it's not going to happen suddenly
2336380	2338380	it will happen very slowly
2338380	2343380	and at least looking at the advancement of artificial intelligence
2343380	2347380	I think we will probably have digital superintelligence
2347380	2353380	before Neuralink is sufficiently advanced
2353380	2361380	to have high bandwidth communication between Cortex
2361380	2367380	and the AI extension of yourself
2367380	2370380	but no question we need to be extremely careful
2370380	2373380	and we will be extremely careful and we will move slowly
2373380	2376380	so you'll definitely see it coming and people have an opportunity to object
2376380	2378380	and raise concerns and issues
2378380	2381380	and with Neuralink we're also trying to be extremely open book
2381380	2386380	and there's nothing hidden
2386380	2392380	and we are like said ordered extensively by the FDA
2392380	2399380	so with respect to artificial intelligence
2399380	2406380	or digital superintelligence
2406380	2409380	there's levels of artificial intelligence that are not dangerous
2409380	2414380	I don't think your self-driving cars are really dangerous
2414380	2419380	or having better order correct is dangerous
2419380	2425380	but it's when you have some deep intelligence that is far smarter than the smart human
2425380	2429380	that's where things could get dangerous
2429380	2434380	I don't want to go too far down the AI rabbit hole
2434380	2439380	that's a big one
2439380	2448380	I think digital superintelligence or AI is definitely a bad thing
2448380	2451380	I just think it's a very powerful technology
2451380	2458380	and there's certainly risk of it being a bad thing
2458380	2463380	and acting in a manner contrary to the interests of humanity
2463380	2466380	and that we need to be cognisant of that risk
2466380	2470380	and we need to just be very careful and thorough
2470380	2476380	and do our best to ensure that it is beneficial rather than harmful
2476380	2485380	Yeah, if I do get in the White House
2485380	2489380	I think that's one of the things that I need to pay a lot of attention to
2489380	2494380	is how do we regulate this and how do we bring in the people who are developing it
2494380	2500380	and immediately from all over the world and figure out a way to regulate it
2500380	2505380	so that it doesn't end up killing us all
2505380	2508380	or enslaving us or whatever the heck it's going to do
2508380	2514380	but even self-driving cars
2514380	2521380	I think something like 40% of the jobs in America are from our driving jobs
2521380	2525380	or involved driving and if you get rid of those jobs
2525380	2529380	even Uber jobs which are at an entry level
2529380	2532380	which we could do in the next decade or not
2532380	2538380	it's going to be a really difficult challenge for our country to figure out
2538380	2542380	what to do with all these
2542380	2545380	and I'm using a very bad characterization
2545380	2550380	but surplus humans because that's what a lot of people are going to feel like
2550380	2561380	Yeah, so I do think there is an avenue for Uber drives
2561380	2566380	or drives in general in that there will still be a need to manage
2566380	2571380	and take care of a bunch of self-driving cars
2571380	2575380	almost like a shepherd tending their flock
2575380	2579380	and so I think it actually could end up being a good thing
2579380	2587380	in that instead of driving one car you could actually manage a fleet of 10 cars
2587380	2590380	and I think that's good
2590380	2595380	I'm not suggesting that that will not result in disruption or changing of jobs
2595380	2599380	I'm just saying that self-driving is
2599380	2604380	I don't think is an existential risk to civilization
2604380	2610380	and so I think it will be
2610380	2612380	my opinion a significant net benefit
2612380	2618380	but I do believe that we should be critiqued, we should be asked these questions
2618380	2626380	and in general I aspire to take this set of actions that maximize the probability
2626380	2628380	that the future will be good for humanity
2628380	2632380	but it's not to say that I do not make mistakes
2632380	2634380	obviously I do
2634380	2639380	but that is at least the intention
2639380	2644380	and as I said I think it's good to have critique, it's good to be questioned
2644380	2646380	it's good to be pushed on these issues
2646380	2651380	and it's very important for companies to be as open book as possible
2657380	2660380	but actually perhaps
2660380	2663380	I think these are really interesting topics for people
2663380	2668380	but I think a lot of the public would love to hear about your presidential right
2669380	2672380	I would love to talk about it, do we have any questions?
2675380	2678380	we have a bunch of questions
2678380	2682380	we have a few people we can pull in and then we can pull in more as well
2682380	2689380	Tulsi Gabbard's here, Bologi's here, Michael Schellenberger's here, Omid's here
2689380	2693380	before we leave the censorship topic
2693380	2697380	Bobby one thing you mentioned that you went over really quickly was that
2697380	2700380	you were just reinstated to your Instagram account
2700380	2703380	and that you've been locked out for two years
2703380	2709380	and I guess they had to reinstate you because there's a law requiring it when someone runs for president
2709380	2713380	so apparently the only way to get free speech in this country is to shut the president
2713380	2720380	but the crazy thing is that people on your campaign were frozen out of their accounts
2720380	2725380	apparently anyone who signed up with the team Kennedy email domain was frozen
2725380	2727380	I guess they just got reinstated
2727380	2730380	so I guess I just want to hear about that
2730380	2736380	and then following up on what Elon said about the intense pressure that Twitter is under
2736380	2738380	from advertising boycotts
2738380	2743380	I want to bring in Schellenberger who was one of the key authors on the Twitter files
2743380	2748380	and has done a lot of work on what he calls the censorship industrial complex
2748380	2753380	so it'd be great to hear from him on how this whole thing gets organized
2753380	2758380	because I don't think people understand that these pressure tactics are highly organized
2758380	2762380	so I guess Bobby to you first and then let's bring in Schellenberger
2762380	2767380	yeah so I was, I evicted from Instagram
2767380	2774380	I think in the summer of maybe, or spring of 2021
2774380	2784380	I was evicted and I had about, I had, at the time, the day I was convicted I had about, or evicted I had about $770,000
2785380	2791380	but I had been up to $900,000 and they would cut them back whenever I hit $900,000
2791380	2795380	they would cut them back to $800,000 or $700,000
2795380	2798380	so I was losing followers the whole time
2798380	2805380	and they said it was because I was promoting misinformation
2805380	2811380	but the term misinformation had nothing to do with, as we now know from the Twitter files
2811380	2816380	and from the emails that Meadow, you know, at that time Facebook
2816380	2818380	that we've recovered from Facebook
2818380	2822380	and it had nothing to do with factual accuracy or inaccuracy
2822380	2828380	it was simply a euphemism for any statement that departed from the government orthodoxies
2828380	2832380	and government proclamations would be characterized misinformation
2832380	2837380	and there is nothing on my Twitter feed
2837380	2839380	that was factually inaccurate
2839380	2844380	everything that we put up there, that I put up there was cited and sourced
2844380	2847380	peer reviewed publications or government databases
2847380	2851380	there's nothing on there that anybody's ever been able to point to
2851380	2857380	including Facebook, when I appealed, I tried to appeal and we did a lengthy memo
2857380	2864380	showing that I had never put up a single factual error in that, you know, in my post
2864380	2867380	but then they wouldn't allow me to appeal
2867380	2871380	they had an appeal system but they would not allow me to enter that system
2871380	2874380	and I feel confident I would have won
2874380	2881380	because the people that they actually selected as judges were a really good group of people
2881380	2886380	they were law professors from, mainly law professors from universities around the world
2886380	2888380	and many of them were people I was acquainted with
2888380	2891380	and, you know, I was a law professor at that time
2891380	2894380	and I'm confident I would have gotten a fair hearing from them
2894380	2898380	so they wouldn't let me even into the appeals process
2898380	2904380	and then as you point out, in the last, since I've declared the presidency
2904380	2908380	now we have about 50 people working for the campaign
2908380	2914380	and each of those people has a, had a, you know, an Instagram handle
2914380	2919380	which said, for example, my daughter-in-law, Amarillo, said team kennedy.com
2920380	2926380	and they wanted to use that handle on their Twitter, on their Instagram accounts
2926380	2931380	and they, Instagram would send them, when they attempted to register
2931380	2937380	Instagram would send them a flag saying, you've been suspended for 180 days
2937380	2940380	and so none of them were allowed on
2940380	2944380	and of course that's illegal under the, you know, it's called section 413
2944380	2950380	of the Code of Federal Regulations which regulates speech
2950380	2955380	it protects speech during presidential and other federal election campaigns
2955380	2963380	and so, but I think, I think that Metta, and I don't want to, you know
2963380	2966380	I don't want to be pointing the finger at Metta right now
2966380	2969380	because I think it's time for healing in this country
2969380	2975380	and I'm happy that I've been reinstated and they gave me back all my old posts
2975380	2977380	and they gave me back all my old followers
2977380	2980380	which I didn't even know if they existed anymore
2980380	2983380	so I'm very, very happy with that
2983380	2989380	and the people that we've been working with at Metta have been, you know, recently
2989380	2993380	have been very, very cooperative and they're now letting our people register
2993380	3001380	and I think it is, you know, not everybody had the foresight of Elon Musk and Jack Dorsey
3001380	3006380	of saying, okay, this was really wrong and we're not going to put up with it
3006380	3009380	even if it causes billions of dollars
3009380	3014380	there, you know, a lot of Americans were living in fear
3014380	3019380	and they were doing things that they believed were proper and right at the time
3019380	3024380	it's time that we, you know, that we focus on healing and bridging the divide
3024380	3029380	so I don't want to really thank Metta for reinstating me
3029380	3031380	and I hope this can be the beginning
3031380	3034380	I hope we learn something from that process
3034380	3037380	and that we can go forward and make sure that nothing like this ever happens
3037380	3040380	in the United States of America again
3044380	3046380	Michael, do you want to jump in here?
3046380	3050380	This might be a good time to talk about what you've learned
3050380	3052380	For what it's worth, you know, I don't think...
3052380	3054380	Yeah, that sounds great. Can you hear me okay, David?
3054380	3062380	Yeah, I mean, for what it's worth, I don't think that Metta as a company wants to be censoring people
3062380	3067380	I just think that they're under incredible pressure and didn't stand up to that pressure
3067380	3069380	but Michael, can you speak to that?
3069380	3071380	What you found?
3077380	3079380	I think we lost him, didn't we?
3079380	3080380	Hello?
3080380	3082380	Michael, we had you a second ago
3082380	3084380	Well, sure, I'd be happy to and can you hear me okay, David?
3084380	3085380	Yes
3085380	3087380	Yeah, we can hear you
3089380	3090380	We can't hear him now
3090380	3092380	Good, well, thanks so much for having me, guys
3092380	3096380	and Mr. Kennedy, it's a real honor and a privilege to hear you speak
3096380	3099380	We don't agree on everything, but you're...
3103380	3105380	Oh, sorry guys, can you hear me okay?
3105380	3107380	We could, you kind of...
3107380	3108380	Well, we lost you for a second
3108380	3109380	Can you hear me now?
3109380	3110380	Yeah
3110380	3112380	Well, first, thank you so much, Mr. Kennedy
3112380	3115380	I really appreciate your strong remarks
3116380	3117380	Can you guys hear me now?
3117380	3119380	Yeah, we can hear you
3122380	3124380	Not anymore
3125380	3127380	You muted yourself
3131380	3134380	You know, Michael, we'll go back to you
3134380	3135380	There you are
3138380	3140380	David, can you hear me now?
3140380	3142380	Yeah, we can hear you
3142380	3143380	Great, great
3143380	3146380	Well, first, thanks so much, Mr. Kennedy
3146380	3148380	It's a real privilege and pleasure to hear you speak
3148380	3152380	so eloquently on the first amendment
3152380	3154380	Just to build on that
3156380	3159380	The Twitter is under from government
3160380	3161380	Cool
3162380	3164380	And Twitter is...
3169380	3172380	transparent about the censorship demand
3173380	3178380	I'm curious if you would support a call that many of us have made
3178380	3183380	that there should be a mandatory requirement by both government officials
3183380	3186380	and by social media platforms to be transparent
3186380	3189380	about the censorship decisions that they're making
3189380	3195380	because so much of the problem occurs when the censorship is happening behind closed doors
3195380	3198380	and there's no chance to appeal
3198380	3202380	On the other hand, it's very hard to regulate social media companies by the government
3202380	3204380	since that would infringe on the first amendment
3204380	3209380	So I'm curious if you've thought about the need for requiring transparency
3209380	3213380	by everybody involved, whether it's governments or social media companies
3213380	3219380	or even advertisers who are demanding that certain content be censored at their behest
3219380	3225380	Yeah, and actually, Michael, I think that's a really good solution
3225380	3232380	And if I'm elected, I'm going to call the heads of all of the social media companies
3232380	3238380	into the Oval Office and have a conference
3238380	3244380	and not walk out until we have it figured out how to make this work
3244380	3246380	and make it consistent with democracy
3246380	3248380	And I think you're right
3248380	3253380	I think David Sacks was right when he said that these companies do not want to be censoring us
3253380	3259380	They're coming under tremendous pressure from their advertisers
3259380	3265380	and from very, very powerful government entities to participate in the censorship
3265380	3273380	And we don't even have an idea about all of the different forms of pressure that they're coming on
3273380	3279380	because the government, of course, has big contracts with these companies that are existential
3279380	3284380	And that's all not transparent
3284380	3291380	And I think the companies, if they function more as common carriers
3291380	3297380	and I'm not saying being declared common carriers, which is kind of the ultimate sanction
3297380	3303380	that if they continue to censor that would be something that you would consider
3303380	3308380	But I think if they function, as you say, almost like common carriers
3308380	3311380	where all the decision-making was transparent
3311380	3316380	and where people felt like they had a right to see the algorithms
3316380	3321380	and to understand the algorithms that were being used to censor speech
3321380	3324380	and to make recommendations, et cetera
3324380	3330380	I think that that's a really elegant solution about how to solve these issues
3330380	3332380	You know, there is some speech
3332380	3336380	I'm pretty much a free speech absolutist
3336380	3342380	And I think the remedy for misinformation is more information
3342380	3347380	And the remedy for bad speech is more speech
3347380	3349380	It's never censorship
3349380	3352380	Censorship is by far the worst solution
3352380	3357380	There are forms of speech that are not protected
3357380	3360380	Insighting violence is not protected
3360380	3365380	Pedophilia and solicitations like that are not protected speech
3365380	3367380	And you can censor those
3367380	3372380	But if it's protected speech, I don't think it should be censored
3372380	3379380	But I think in any case we should understand the logic, the algorithms and the methodologies
3379380	3382380	and we should all have access to those
3382380	3389380	So that's key because these institutions are now the public square
3389380	3393380	And they are the place where speech takes place
3393380	3395380	That you can talk to other Americans
3395380	3404380	And we have to figure out a way to integrate them into our democratic values system
3404380	3406380	Well, that's really wonderful to hear
3406380	3407380	Thank you so much for that
3407380	3411380	It's a very strong endorsement of the transparency
3411380	3415380	Which is, I think, something that brings together people on the left and the right
3415380	3419380	We solve our problems with more speech, not less
3419380	3426380	And I think that's what the mandatory transparency by everybody who's demanding censorship
3426380	3427380	That's what that would give us
3427380	3430380	So thank you very much, I appreciate that
3430380	3436380	Let me pull in Omid Malik, who I think has done a bunch of work on the corporate side
3436380	3438380	On sort of boycotts and pressure
3438380	3440380	Omid, do you have a question or comment?
3440380	3443380	Yeah, absolutely, thank you so much
3443380	3450380	Robert, you've spoken eloquently on regulatory capture, whether it's the CDC, the FDA, or the EPA
3450380	3456380	Even NIH, I mean, how is it that Tony Fauci has over $10 million available to him
3456380	3458380	Even though he's been a bureaucrat for 50 years
3458380	3461380	These are questions that I hope an intrepid reporter would look into
3461380	3463380	But I want to just flip it on its head
3463380	3466380	Which is to say, what about corporate capture?
3466380	3472380	The fact that elements within the federal government are actually adversely affecting our economy
3472380	3476380	So that as we've touched on here around speech, but it's even worse than that
3476380	3483380	I mean, the CIA, the FBI affecting our ability to communicate with one another through these big tech companies
3483380	3485380	That are being pressured by them
3485380	3490380	But even as you're very passionate about using OSHA unconstitutionally
3490380	3495380	To try to force employees around this country for a period to take a shot that many did not want to do
3495380	3498380	And making them choose between that and putting food on the table
3498380	3505380	So the two-part question is, one, how do we prevent our bill of rights from being violated by private actors
3505380	3508380	When the government uses them to do their dirty work?
3508380	3514380	I'm not just talking about censorship here, I'm actually talking about the deprivation of economic liberty
3514380	3517380	And then secondly, is how do we get wages up?
3517380	3520380	And is that, then I want to ask you about that specifically
3520380	3526380	Can you get wages up finally in this country by actually having a border and restricting immigration?
3526380	3528380	Thank you
3528380	3534380	Yeah, I mean, let me just address that second issue first, which is
3534380	3536380	Yeah, we need to seal our border
3536380	3545380	That the function, you know, it is a key existential function for every nation in the world to be able to control immigration at its borders
3545380	3552380	And having millions of people or hundreds of thousands, in this case millions of people flowing across the border
3552380	3558380	Is not something any nation can or should put up with
3558380	3563380	And, you know, worst of all, it's created a humanitarian crisis at the border
3563380	3569380	The notion that we have an open border is now a gospel around the world
3569380	3574380	So that people are flying in from all over the world, from Europe, from China, from Asia
3575380	3583380	Taking full planes to Ecuador and then there's a, you know, and being assisted by non-profit groups
3583380	3590380	And by government groups to actually make their way to the United States border within buses
3590380	3597380	And that needs to be shut down and one of the ways that we do, and a lot of the Latin American
3597380	3604380	And Central American immigration is the direct result of bad U.S. policies in the South
3604380	3615380	Austerity programs, the war on drugs, the funding of death squads, the installation and support of hunters, military dictatorships
3615380	3619380	And genocides in those countries that have been happening for decades
3619380	3622380	And we need to address those issues
3622380	3626380	But, you know, above all, we need to seal the border
3626380	3629380	I'm actually going to the border tonight
3629380	3635380	I'm crossing the border, I think, around three o'clock in the morning
3635380	3641380	Into Mexico and I'll be talking with people on both sides of the border and talking to stakeholders
3641380	3647380	And over the next three days be meeting with people from the border patrol and elsewhere
3647380	3653380	To try to formulate policies that will seal the border permanently
3653380	3659380	And, you know, the flow of, we have people in this country who are poverty stricken
3659380	3670380	And don't have access to, because the paucity of public assistance don't even have access to public assistance
3670380	3674380	And, you know, we need to be protecting the people in this country
3674380	3683380	And our urban populations, rural populations, 57% of Americans could not put their hand on $1,000
3683380	3692380	If there's an emergency, we don't have the capacity to support a lot of new immigrants
3692380	3695380	This huge lot of new immigrants
3695380	3701380	It's coming into our cities and stressing the school systems, stressing the social service systems
3701380	3705380	For people who are already, for Americans who are already struggling
3705380	3707380	It needs to be turned off
3707380	3714380	And that's what I will do as president, I will, I am going to imperviously make that border impervious
3714380	3717380	And, you know, there's other countries that have this issue
3717380	3721380	Israel has this issue with African populations
3721380	3727380	And using a variety of different technologies at their border
3727380	3733380	Some fencing, but mainly technological surveillance, they've been able to shut it down
3733380	3735380	And we need to be doing the same thing
3735380	3741380	And as president, I will do that, I will also open up legal immigration
3741380	3748380	So that the immigration that we do need that's going to be beneficial to our country and economy will continue
3748380	3752380	But we cannot have uncontrolled immigration at the border
3752380	3763380	In terms of the role of, you know, these agencies and compelling behavior from U.S. corporation
3763380	3769380	It is appalling and as soon as I get into office
3770380	3778380	I'm going to issue an executive order forbidding the federal agencies, whether it's NIH
3778380	3781380	Whether it's the CIA, the FBI
3781380	3786380	From participating in any efforts to censor speech by the American public
3786380	3793380	Or to compel other behavior from the American public that is not legally required
3793380	3795380	And that's what we saw during the pandemic
3795380	3802380	We saw it, you know, in the vaccine mandates and we saw it in the censorship of speech
3802380	3808380	And I will forbid that and make sure that it is, that it does not happen
3808380	3810380	At least during my term in office
3810380	3815380	Immediately the first week I'm in office, I will sign that executive order
3817380	3820380	Thank you, and thank you Mulan and David for hosting this
3820380	3825380	I also will close by saying it is somewhat ironic that the Democratic Party is not permitting
3825380	3831380	Democracy to occur within their own party and giving a platform to Robert to at least debate Joe Biden
3831380	3834380	Well, that's an interesting point
3834380	3837380	Let me pull Tulsi into the conversation here
3837380	3843380	Tulsi is former Democratic congresswoman who I believe is now an independent
3843380	3849380	I want to get, I actually have a question for both of you guys about the evolution of the Democratic Party
3849380	3856380	Bobby, the Democratic Party of your father was the party of peace over war
3856380	3858380	The party of free speech over censorship
3858380	3863380	The party of civil liberties over the surveillance state
3863380	3872380	And today you're perhaps the only prominent Democrat who is taking that sort of dissenting side on those issues
3872380	3876380	Tulsi, I think you feel the same on those issues too
3876380	3879380	I guess my question is what happened to the Democratic Party?
3879380	3882380	To be sure, many of these afflictions are bipartisan
3882380	3887380	But there used to be a very conspicuous wing in the Democratic Party to oppose these things
3887380	3889380	And it seems like there isn't any more
3889380	3894380	So I guess my question for both of you is what happened and can it be fixed?
3894380	3900380	I mean, I'll just answer briefly and then I'd love to hear Tulsi's answer
3900380	3905380	You know, I watched this happen to the Democratic Party, I watched some of this happen
3905380	3910380	I mean, I think the Democratic Party became the party of war
3910380	3914380	I attribute that directly to President Biden
3914380	3920380	Because President Biden is always, although I've always liked him, the one part of him that I did not like
3920380	3929380	Is that he's always been a very, very, in favor of very bellicose, magnatious and aggressive foreign policy
3929380	3938380	And he believes that violence is a legitimate political tool for achieving America's objectives abroad
3938380	3947380	And in many cases it is the first and most prominent tool that the federal government used during the Iraq War
3947380	3950380	When my uncle was fighting against that war
3950380	3957380	Joe Biden in the Democratic Party more than any other senator was the man who was promoting that war
3957380	3962380	And I think that's one of the reasons he got the support of the neocons
3962380	3969380	And you know, all of these, the neocons, people don't know the neocons are the neocons that were called neoconservatives
3969380	3975380	But they were a group of people who had departed from both Republican and Democratic parties
3975380	3986380	And after the collapse of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the Soviet Union
3986380	3996380	There were a group of people who, prominent intellectuals, who took the position that America had won the Cold War
3996380	4006380	And that as victors we should enjoy the spoils and they published a plan called a project for a new American Century
4007380	4014380	That essentially argued that America should use its military domination, its military superiority now
4014380	4022380	As the only superpower to impose an American hegemony and American control to use violence
4022380	4026380	To impose American control of all the countries in the world
4026380	4037380	And that group, I think 22 of those leaders ended up in the State Department in White House during the George W. Bush's administration
4037380	4051380	They orchestrated the war, they had a plan for seven wars that we would fight very quickly in order to defeat all of our non-compliant countries in the Midees
4051380	4057380	Beginning with Iraq and they launched the first preemptive war in American history
4057380	4060380	A war against a country that never did anything to our country
4060380	4077380	As I've pointed out there was $8 trillion that that war cost us, that war on its aftermath in Libya and Syria and Yemen and Afghanistan and Pakistan
4077380	4085380	It cost us $8 trillion and we got nothing, Iraq ended up worse in worse place than we found it
4085380	4090380	We killed more Iraqis than Saddam Hussein, we killed almost a million Iraqis
4090380	4101380	We pushed Iraq into becoming a proxy to Iran which was the foreign policy outcome that we have been trying to avoid for 40 years
4101380	4113380	We created ISIS, we drove 2 million refugees into Europe which destabilized all the democracies in Europe probably for two generations and ended up with Brexit
4113380	4124380	That's what we got for the $8 trillion and as a result of that cataclysm politically in the United States it became untenable to be a neocon
4124380	4128380	They were in disgrace, they were exiled from all political parties
4128380	4142380	But somehow they got back into the Biden White House and people like Victoria Newlin whose husband Robert Kagan was the author of the project for the newest American Century
4142380	4149380	Ended up running foreign policy, Averell Haynes and Anthony Blinken
4149380	4154380	Ended up running this very belligerent foreign policy that we're now dealing with
4154380	4165380	On the medical side, I watched what happened, initially pharmaceutical companies were on the side of the Republican Party
4165380	4175380	And Democrats, they were required with contempt by Democrats as the most corrupt industry in the country
4175380	4185380	They paid the four companies that manufacture all American vaccines, Sanofi, Merck, Glaxo and Pfizer
4185380	4191380	Paid over the past decade $35 billion in criminal penalties more than any other industry
4191380	4201380	They paid the biggest criminal penalties in American history, they are serial felons, these companies they keep doing the same play over and over
4201380	4206380	And they were not well regarded in the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party has always had a problem
4206380	4213380	It cannot accept corporate dollars in good conscience, so the Republicans always had a lot of money
4213380	4224380	The only people the Democrats could maintain their purity and collect money from would be trial lawyers and labor unions
4224380	4232380	But the labor unions declined precipitously, so now they went from about 50% to 10% of the American workforce
4232380	4241380	And all we were left with was trial lawyers, and then when President Obama was trying to get Obamacare passed
4241380	4247380	He shook a golden handshake with the devil, with the pharmaceutical companies, he could not get it
4247380	4255380	The pharma has more lobbyists on Capitol Hill than Congress, than all the congressmen, senators, Supreme Court justices combined
4255380	4260380	They give more to lobbying twice with the next biggest industry, more than any other industry
4260380	4267380	And President Obama, they could have deadlocked Obamacare forever, so Obama needed to placate them
4267380	4276380	And the way that he did it was by making this terrible deal where the federal government could not bargain over the price of pharmaceutical products and Medicare
4276380	4287380	And Obamacare, so Obamacare was going to create this flood of money to the pharmaceutical industry to buy their products for free
4287380	4294380	For the patients for free, but we could not bargain like you can in Canada and every other nation
4294380	4300380	You couldn't bargain with them, so they could charge anything they wanted, and that sealed the deal
4300380	4310380	And all of a sudden, pharma was on the side of Obamacare, and it became permissible morally for Democrats to accept money from pharma
4310380	4316380	And within a year, Democrats were getting more money from pharma than Republicans
4316380	4322380	And so that put them on the side of the pro-vaccine side
4322380	4332380	They were kind of, we kind of divided evenly, and then in 2016 President Trump ran, and three times during his presidential campaign
4332380	4337380	He made the statement that he thought that vaccines were causing autism
4337380	4345380	And that created this, that that issue then became part of the culture war, it became part of the cultural divide
4345380	4352380	Democrats put that issue into the same anti-science dumpster as President Trump's climate denial
4352380	4357380	And it became now a badge of your party, of your tribe
4357380	4362380	And if you ask questions about vaccines, you were a Trump Republican
4362380	4371380	And if you had just a religious belief in their efficacy and safety that could not be questioned, you were a Democrat
4371380	4383380	And so I watched that, all that play out, and watched the Democrats slowly become these pro-corporate, pro-war, pro-censorship Republicans
4383380	4389380	You know, what had once been Republicans, and the Republicans then became anti-censorship
4389380	4395380	Pro-civil liberties, anti-war, and there's been this tremendous realignment
4395380	4401380	I would talk more than I wanted to, because I really want to hear from Tulsi and hear her take on it
4403380	4406380	Thanks, thanks Bobby, and thanks for the question David
4406380	4412380	So much of what you said is what drove me to leave the Democratic Party
4412380	4418380	You know, I wasn't born into a family of Democrats, my parents frankly were pretty independent-minded people
4418380	4426380	And so when I first ran for a seat in the State House of Representatives in Hawaii 20 years ago
4426380	4431380	I had to decide which party I wanted to join, and as I made that decision
4431380	4435380	I was inspired by leaders within the Democratic Party
4435380	4439380	Frankly, Bobby, people like your father and your uncle, people like Martin Luther King Jr
4439380	4449380	Democratic leaders in Hawaii who had gone to the mat for the plantation workers who were people from Hawaii
4449380	4453380	People from across Asia, people, immigrants from around the world
4453380	4462380	It was Democratic leaders who came in and fought for their rights to be able to be treated frankly like human beings
4463380	4471380	And be set free from the oppressive landowners that were Republican in Hawaii at that time
4471380	4480380	And so the ideals of freedom and civil liberties and a big tent inclusive Democratic Party
4480380	4487380	That welcomed people from all backgrounds and different ideas was really attractive to me
4487380	4490380	And was why I joined the Democratic Party
4490380	4493380	But fast forward to where we are today
4493380	4505380	As you said Bobby, I mean today's Democratic Party is a party that is under the complete control of this elitist cabal of war mongers
4505380	4515380	Not only is it being led by war mongers, but we have a situation now where as we saw last fall where the Congressional Progressive Caucus
4515380	4523380	They had the audacity to release a public letter to President Biden very gently
4523380	4527380	Very, very gently and with a lot of flowery words calling for diplomacy
4527380	4534380	And for him to lead a diplomatic effort to end the war between Russia and Ukraine
4534380	4540380	And within 24 hours they retracted the letter and essentially were cowering in the corner
4540380	4545380	You know, we can imagine the kind of pressure that they were under to do that
4545380	4551380	And the kind of public criticism that they receive for daring to call for peace
4551380	4557380	So the voices for peace within the Democratic Party have been silenced
4557380	4561380	Rather than this big tent inclusive Democratic Party
4561380	4566380	We now have party leaders who are focusing their efforts on dividing us
4566380	4575380	On racializing every issue using identity politics to, you know, gain a few political points and votes
4575380	4579380	Undermining fundamental freedoms, freedom of speech, advocating censorship
4579380	4584380	Not only advocating for it, but trying to create government entities in order to shut us up
4584380	4589380	Weaponizing the national security state to go after political opponents
4590380	4600380	The principles and ideals the Democratic Party stands for today are directly counter to those that are fundamental and foundational to this country
4600380	4609380	And now we're at a point where President Biden has most dangerously dragged us essentially to the brink of nuclear war
4609380	4615380	And that's where Bobby, I'd love to ask you a question in this realm
4615380	4620380	In this vein of foreign policy, given the realities that we're facing
4620380	4628380	Given, you know, we're increasingly hearing a lot of politicians, Republicans and Democrats, frankly, including President Biden
4628380	4637380	Who are actively and aggressively calling for a complete decoupling of the United States and China's economies
4637380	4644380	And the Biden administration is actively moving forward quickly in this direction
4644380	4652380	Elon, you recently talked about how the United States and China's interests are intertwined like conjoined twins
4652380	4661380	I think really making the point that this act of decoupling our economies would essentially be like ripping apart conjoined twins
4661380	4669380	Implying the catastrophic consequences that would occur as a result for both of these countries and the world
4669380	4676380	So Bobby, what would your approach be with the United States relationship with China?
4676380	4684380	Do you believe that it's actually possible to have a peaceful coexistence or even a win-win relationship with China?
4684380	4693380	Or do you believe that it is a zero-sum game where in order for the United States to win, that China must lose?
4693380	4702380	Yeah, I think that's a great question, Tulsi, and my approach to that would be
4702380	4714380	Let's recognize the reality that China is a very ambitious nation and that it does want to compete for us, for influence in the world
4714380	4719380	But the reality is it does not want to compete with us militarily
4719380	4727380	It does not want to have a war with the United States and China is still a very poor country compared to us
4727380	4738380	The Chinese have per capita about one-third the income of the United States
4738380	4746380	They want to have better lives for their citizens and they want to compete with us in places all around the world
4746380	4755380	I think we ought to be competing with them, I think we ought to be competing with them on an economic platform, not a military one
4755380	4763380	And I feel very, I'm not scared of the Chinese, I'm not frightened that American ingenuity is going to fall behind the Chinese
4763380	4769380	I think it will be that kind of competition, it's a competition that will be good for the whole world
4769380	4779380	It's a competition that is a collaborative peace, a collaborative world rather than a competitive world, a kind of collaborative competition if you will
4779380	4790380	And the Chinese do not want to have a war with us, we spend more on our military, we're now spending 1.3 trillion a year on military including veterans benefits
4791380	4802380	We were told after the Cold War ended that we were going to get a peace dividend and we were going to cut our military budget back to 200 billion a year
4802380	4810380	Instead we've got it at 1.3 billion a year if you include veterans benefits and national security
4810380	4819380	And we never got that peace dividend so we now spend more on our military than the top ten next nations in the world
4819380	4824380	We spend three times, we have three times the military budget of the Chinese
4824380	4832380	We have five times the nuclear weapons of the Chinese, the Chinese cannot and do not want to compete with us militarily
4832380	4840380	The Chinese have about one and a half military bases in the world, we have 800
4840380	4851380	So it's kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy that says the Chinese want to be our enemy and have a military competition, they don't
4851380	4858380	What we should be doing is de-escalating the military pressure on China, we should be talking to China for God's sake
4858380	4867380	We haven't had a meeting with China in five years, we know what our objectives are, we want to rebuild our industrial base in the United States
4867380	4876380	We don't want the Chinese to take that from us and any negotiations with the Chinese should not be about military swaggering
4876380	4888380	It should be about how do we have an economic relationship with you that is going to benefit all parties the way that every good economic relationship does
4888380	4898380	And here's what our objective is in the next round of negotiations is we want to rebuild our industrial base here in the United States
4898380	4906380	And any agreement that we make, any transaction that we make with the Chinese, that should be foremost in our minds, how do we do that?
4906380	4916380	But I'm not, you know, the Chinese have been doing a lot better than us because they've been projecting economic power abroad
4916380	4921380	And the world likes that, we think the world is on our side, but it isn't
4921380	4940380	All we've got, the only people who are supporting this, you know, this pugnacious, bellicose relationship with China are Australia, New Zealand, Korea, Japan, Britain, Canada and the United States
4940380	4947380	And we're pretty much alone in the world, the rest of the world is looking at us and saying, what the heck are you doing?
4947380	4956380	Why are you trying to create a war with China? Why are you fighting them over? Why are you making Taiwan a military issue?
4956380	4963380	Let's let that Taiwan and China work out that issue on their own and back off militarily
4963380	4974380	And try to have a, they want, they don't want war, they want peace and they want prosperity and that cannot happen where there's a war
4974380	4987380	So let's have, you know, let's deescalate the war talk, let's compete economically and let's talk to them and figure out a way that, you know, we can have a smart negotiation where we do better
4987380	4995380	Because of China rather than, you know, then giving away the store and exporting jobs, which all the other treaties have done
4995380	5007380	Instead, let's figure out how to have an economic relationship, a financial relationship with them that rebuilds the American industrial base
5007380	5023380	Thank you, Bobby. You know, this is such an obviously this this issue and the broader issue of foreign policy is is central to any, any presidential race and it's unfortunate that traditionally as we've seen
5023380	5038380	These issues are very rarely given the kind of attention they deserve and and yet again, this is exactly why there should be presidential primary debates for the sake of the American people to have a clear choice, a clear informed choice
5038380	5047380	On on who they would like to see as our president and commander in chief. Thank you. Thank you for sharing your insight and thank you, Elon and David for hosting this important conversation
5047380	5065380	And Tulsi, you know, we haven't had, we haven't had a serious economic meeting, even a political meeting with the Chinese since 2015, seven years, you know, the CIA director Bill Burns recently went over there to meet with the Chinese
5065380	5080380	This is not the kind of meeting we need to have a real political and economic discussion with them and that is Frank and that, you know, that let where everybody puts their cards on the table, and to see if there's ways that we can work with each other
5080380	5098380	peacefully and keep the world at peace. Why in the world would we go on and this is on, you know, this is on President Biden, you know, President Biden has forbidden his State Department, which are run by Nina cons has forbidden any kind of talks or outreach to the Chinese
5098380	5113380	That is outrageous. You know, it is exactly the opposite of what white eyes an hour was trying to do, you know, to find the world to peace with the Russians, which was disrupted by the you know, the CIA has misbegotten you to
5113380	5131380	flights. And then my uncle tried to do the same thing. Let's have peace with with the with Russia let's have peace with China. And let's all enjoy the prosperity of healthy economic competition.
5132380	5134380	Well said. Well said, Bobby. Thank you.
5135380	5156380	It's actually something that is worth noting is that on my recent trip to China I was with a senior leadership there I we had, I think some very productive discussions on artificial intelligence risks and the need for some oversight or regulation.
5156380	5175380	And my understanding from those conversations is that China will be initiating AI regulation in China. So that that was those those were very promising discussions.
5176380	5194380	And, you know, I pointed out that if, you know, if there is a digital superintelligence that is overwhelmingly powerful, developed in China, the it is actually a risk to the sovereignty of the Chinese government.
5195380	5198380	And I think they took that concern to heart.
5198380	5217380	You know, I mean, I love you, you saying that because it makes us understand, no matter how you feel about China, if we are not able to negotiate with with our adversaries on issues like that, there are now existential threats and it's not just a I it's these bio weapons
5217380	5222380	development where, you know, we have these labs now all over the world in Ukraine, etc.
5223380	5234380	They're developing all kinds of hideous bio weapons and including, you know, ethnic bio weapons that kill people from certain races, etc. that are designed to do that and they already have them.
5235380	5252380	And, and they're ready to escape. And, you know, every country in the world has wanted to ban bio weapons. We, we initiate Richard Nixon signed the bio weapons treaty in 1973, got all the countries in the world to agree to stop developing them.
5253380	5266380	We, the CIA continue to secretly develop them. And then after 2001, we passed the Patriot Act and we relaunched the bio weapons arms race. So now every country in the world or many, many countries are now developing them.
5267380	5272380	We should shut the whole thing down. You know, COVID was clearly a bio weapons problem.
5273380	5287380	We, and you saw what that did to us. What if it was a real disease, a disease that had a 50% mortality, like dengue fever, Ebola, or, or, you know, one of these other really deadly fires, they got those in the labs too.
5288380	5297380	What if that was the one that escaped? Let's shut it down around the world. Let's have a real shutdown of all bio weapons development and verification of that.
5297380	5308380	And then let's sit down with the other people from Iran, from, from, from Israel, from Russia and China and talk about AI.
5309380	5316380	Okay, and make sure that one country does not develop a weapon that is going to kill all the rest of us.
5317380	5326380	We need to have, you can't just have one country regulating this China alone cannot be regulating the development of digital superintelligence.
5327380	5336380	You need the United States and China, all of us need to be participating. All of us need to be able to police the research that's happening in other countries.
5336380	5347380	And we need to have transparency and protection. Otherwise, we are headed down the road to a very grim dystopian future for all of humanity.
5348380	5358380	We are beyond the point where we cannot, where we can afford the luxury of not negotiating about these things with the other powers in the planet.
5359380	5373380	And, you know, we need a president who is aware of these threats to humanity and sees himself as the guardian of all of humanity and is thinking about this 24 hours a day.
5374380	5379380	How do we avert this kind of future of bio weapons extinction or AI extinction?
5380380	5384380	It's beyond, we cannot afford not to negotiate about this stuff anymore.
5385380	5391380	And how, or allow all these agencies, the CIA is developing this stuff too.
5392380	5397380	And we have no idea they are not friendly to the American, you know, the American system.
5398380	5408380	You know, I talked to Mike Pompeo the other day and he said that he said what he said when he was at the agency, he was very candid.
5409380	5422380	You know, really smart about the agency. And he said, he said when he was there, he did not do a good job of dismantling, you know, of dismantling agency capture at the CIA.
5423380	5435380	And he said that he said if you take the upper echelon at that agency, it's made up almost entirely of people who do not believe in the institutions of the United States and democracy.
5435380	5442380	And, you know, so, and I think that's absolutely true from everything I know, I know a lot about that agency.
5443380	5464380	And we've got it, you know, we have got to get off of war footing, which gives these institutions the excuse to be super secret and non transparent and pretend we're at, you know, and put us in a security state where they can develop all these crazy technologies and secret that are going to kill us all.
5465380	5467380	It's, it's crazy.
5469380	5479380	It is Bobby and that that really gets to her central point about diplomacy and Elon, you know, your example of, of what can come about when we're just really willing to have a conversation.
5480380	5491380	The president United States should be trusted by the American people to put the well being an interest of the American people at the forefront of the decisions that he or she makes.
5491380	5497380	There are common threats and concerns that exist with people around the world.
5498380	5515380	We don't live in vacuums and while we may have differences with other countries, things like AI, things like the threat of nuclear war, things like protecting our environment so that we as humans on this planet have clean air to breathe and clean water to drink and that we can grow food to survive.
5515380	5532380	You mentioned the bio weapons. There are so many different challenges that that we must address together and we need a leader who recognizes that and puts those interests in the well being of the people ahead of the whole cabal of special interest that that you've talked about.
5532380	5540380	All right, thank you, Tulsi.
5541380	5561380	By the way, Bobby, I think probably the most surreal moment of the entire Ukraine war so far has been when Victoria Newland was testifying for Congress and admitted that there was a secret network of bio labs in Ukraine, who contain materials that were so potentially dangerous that she was worried about them falling into Russia.
5562380	5564380	I mean, I think it's been a long time.
5565380	5582380	Yeah, after the media had been characterizing that fact as Russian disinformation for weeks and then punishing those of us who were saying, yeah, this is what's happening.
5582380	5601380	And then Victoria Newland gets in front of Congress and gets a, you know, a a free question from Marco Rubio and actually is under oath and answers it honestly and says, yeah, we got bio weapons labs there and we're really scared the Russians are going to get in there and get our stuff.
5601380	5612380	It was so weird because why in the world do we have bio labs there? This is so so strange.
5613380	5625380	The media continued to pile on by the way, even after she testified and answered Marco Rubio's question honestly I cited her quote in some statements I made agreeing with you, Bob.
5632380	5633380	Tulsi we lose Tulsi.
5634380	5635380	Sorry.
5636380	5646380	Especially in a time of war where they would be vulnerable to whatever pathogens might exist in those bio labs being released and causing threat to the world.
5646380	5666380	Ukraine has blacklisted me from visiting their country ever again and I was posts that I put on social media sites were banned or shadow banned because of this claim of misinformation disinformation news outlets across the country called, you know, criticize me of spreading misinformation disinformation
5666380	5671380	even when I cited the DOD website that stated this as as fact.
5672380	5683380	I think it just shows even when they speak the truth, they're apparently afraid of the truth and want to be able to continue what they're doing, no matter the risk.
5684380	5686380	Does Ukraine have a free press out of curiosity?
5686380	5687380	No way.
5687380	5688380	No, no, no.
5688380	5689380	Oh, okay.
5689380	5690380	Just wanted to confirm that.
5690380	5691380	Sorry.
5691380	5692380	Okay.
5692380	5702380	Well, there was an article just today in semaphore of all places talking about how media has to be licensed by the government there.
5703380	5704380	That's exactly right.
5705380	5708380	And then separately talk about embarrassing revelations.
5708380	5726380	The New York Times today has a story about how pesky Nazi insignias keep turning up on the uniforms of, you know, Ukrainian army members and then they have to keep censoring photos so that these things don't appear in the press.
5726380	5740380	Of course, the New York Times says that the biggest problem with this is not that advanced Western weapons may be finding their hands into the hands of neo-Nazis, but rather that this will play into Russian propaganda.
5741380	5753380	But regardless of what it is, again, it's one of these embarrassing data points that show that, you know, we're constantly being fed information about this war.
5753380	5760380	And then these things, you know, pop up and you realize that, you know, they may not be telling us everything.
5761380	5771380	I mean, we've been propagandized with these comic book depictions that are now formulaic, you know, that there's a bad guy.
5771380	5772380	He did a bad thing.
5772380	5780380	It was unprovoked and the United States needs to go in and fix this situation by the people he's victimizing.
5780380	5789380	And, you know, it's such a good testimony to the American people that, you know, that they're willing to make those sacrifices.
5789380	5796380	I think in some cases of our children, of our fortune to go in and help other countries.
5796380	5807380	But the problem is we're being victimized to it by our own agencies, which are, you know, which are leaving out the contextual information, which are leaving out the nuance,
5807380	5822380	which are leaving out the entire history, in this case, of U.S. provocations, which brought us into, which brought us and also brought Ukraine into a war that is not helping Ukraine.
5822380	5837380	I mean, Ukraine has now lost probably 350,000 kids and they are in much worse position than when they began, when they, you know, in February 14, 2014.
5837380	5844380	In 2019, they could have signed the Minsk Accords and kept them buzz and nobody killed.
5844380	5848380	And they're never going to get back to that place again.
5849380	5852380	As you guys understand, the Russians are not going to win this war.
5852380	5854380	They cannot afford to win this war.
5854380	5857380	This war is existential for Russia.
5857380	5860380	And it would be like us losing a war in Mexico.
5860380	5861380	You mean Ukraine.
5861380	5863380	You mean Ukraine can't.
5863380	5865380	I'm sorry, Ukraine.
5865380	5868380	I'm sorry, Ukraine cannot win this war.
5868380	5883380	And, you know, they're now, it's unclear what the ratio, the death ratio is, but there's credible information that they are suffering deaths, that are seven deaths for every one Russian kill.
5883380	5898380	And we are, we have turned this country into this, you know, to a slaughterhouse of the flower of Ukrainian youth to benefit the geopolitical ambitions of these, you know, of the U.S.
5898380	5905380	Neocons who want to exhaust the Russian army and exercise regime change over Vladimir Putin.
5905380	5910380	And Ukraine is a victim in this war.
5910380	5912380	It's a proxy war.
5912380	5914380	It's a victim of Russia.
5914380	5920380	Yes, it was an illegal invasion and a brutal invasion that could have been avoided by Vladimir Putin.
5920380	5936380	But they're equally, almost equally at least a victim of U.S. policies and, you know, the ambitions of the, the aspirations of the Neocons who wanted to get into this war, no matter what.
5936380	5944380	The war was easily avoidable if you had been willing to use diplomacy and basically give a written guarantee to the Russians that Ukraine would not become part of NATO.
5944380	5951380	That is what they were demanding in December of 2021 and a written ultimatum to the White House.
5951380	5957380	It's what they were explicitly with our Secretary of State in January of 2022.
5957380	5961380	And those negotiations ended where we said we wouldn't close NATO's door.
5961380	5973380	You said the other thing we didn't do was give support to the Minsk agreements, which would have provided some limited autonomy to the ethnic Russians, the Donbass, and that would have solved that, that sort of civil war that was going on there.
5973380	5975380	We had just done those two things.
5975380	5978380	I think there's a really good chance that this war never would have occurred.
5978380	5980380	And, you know, a lot of people say, well, you can't know that.
5980380	5982380	But the point is we tried.
5982380	5984380	We never tried taking NATO off the table.
5984380	5987380	We never tried giving our support to the Minsk agreements.
5987380	5996380	Yeah, and there's a big question because Zelensky ran in 2019 on a peace platform.
5996380	6006380	And I've pointed out before that, you know, he was a comedian and an actor, which I'm not saying in a disparaging way because my wife is also both of those things.
6006380	6010380	But I say that because he had no involvement in politics.
6010380	6022380	And yet he won in this huge landslide with 70% of the vote because he was running on a peace platform with the promise that he would sign the Minsk Accords and settle this.
6022380	6030380	And the Minsk Accords did the same thing that ultimatum did, which is they said NATO will forever keep out of Ukraine.
6030380	6043380	And that we, that they would, that Dombaz would be made an autonomous region within the Ukraine.
6043380	6055380	That was still governed by the Ukraine, but would be able to retain its own language and culture and be able to protect its citizens against a violent aggression and deadly aggression from
6055380	6062380	forces like the Azov battalion and, you know, and other hostile forces within the Ukrainian government.
6062380	6076380	And they, and by the way, the Ukraine, the Dombaz voted 90 to 10 to leave the Ukraine and join Russia, join the Russian Federation, 90 to 10.
6076380	6080380	And the Russian, Vladimir Putin said, No, we don't want you.
6080380	6084380	We want Ukraine to stay a complete country.
6084380	6095380	And I, and that was, and then, you know, they, they agree, Russia agreed, France agreed, Germany agreed on the Minsk Accords, which was that a reasonable settlement.
6095380	6098380	Keep you, keep NATO out of the Ukraine.
6098380	6110380	And why, you know, my uncle, President Kennedy used to always say, if you want to have the only way to have peace is if you put yourself into the shoes of your adversary.
6110380	6126380	And he gave this very famous speech on July or June 10th, five days now, it'll be the 60th anniversary of American University, his most important speech, which was, which turned the country around on the
6126380	6128380	atmospheric test ban treaty.
6128380	6131380	It was the first test ban, it was the first treaty of the nuclear age.
6131380	6135380	It was the first treaty to ban certain use of nuclear weapons.
6136380	6142380	In Russia, he and Khrushchev agreed on it privately without involving the State Department.
6142380	6152380	The State Department opposed it, the military opposed it, Congress and the Senate opposed it, but the American people ended up supporting it after he gave this speech and then did a national tour.
6152380	6164380	But in that speech was a fascinating speech because he was explaining for the first time to the American people the role and the suffering that Russia had endured during World War Two.
6164380	6171380	As I grew up in a generation where we were told that America had won the war against the Nazis.
6171380	6185380	And, you know, we were watching shows like Combat with Vic Maro every week on TV and that showed how Americans had been the victor and, you know, without America, the world would have been lost.
6185380	6188380	My uncle was telling the American people, that's not true.
6188380	6196380	The people who beat Hitler were the Russians and they made a sacrifice that is unimaginable to anybody else in the world.
6196380	6208380	Hitler invaded Russia through the Ukraine and then killed one out of every seven Russians and leveled the nation, one-third of the nation.
6208380	6221380	My uncle went during that speech, he said, imagine if all of the American continent, continental United States was reduced to rubble between the East Coast and Chicago.
6221380	6228380	That's what happened to Russia. You've got to understand that if we're going to have peace with this country.
6228380	6233380	And, you know, we need to understand that today. We need to put ourselves in the shoes.
6233380	6244380	Either way, it's not just Putin. The Russian leadership back in the 90s said, you know, in 1992, they made an agreement.
6244380	6255380	They said, we will pull our troops, our 400,000 troops out of East Germany and we will turn East Germany over to a hostile army, the NATO army.
6256380	6261380	And the concession that we want from you for that is that you will not move NATO to the East.
6261380	6267380	And President Bush famously told them, we will not move NATO one inch to the East.
6267380	6283380	Then the leader of the neocons, Zbigniew Brzezinski, the grandfather of all the neocons in 1997, laid out a plan for moving NATO into every one of the former Russian satellite states.
6283380	6294380	And at that time, George Cannon, who was the most important diplomat in American history, was the architect of the Cold War containment policy.
6294380	6300380	He was a deity in terms of American statesmanship and diplomacy.
6300380	6318380	He said that if you move NATO to the East as your plan is a neocons event planning, it will be a calamity that will end in forcing the Russians to violence because you are intruding on their national security.
6318380	6328380	Bill Perry, who at that time was the Secretary of Defense under Bill Clinton, threatened to resign because he said this is a formula for war with Russia.
6328380	6331380	And this is long before Putin came in.
6331380	6337380	Bill Burns, who was the US Ambassador to Moscow at that time said the same thing.
6337380	6343380	He said this is a formula that is going to force the Russians into war.
6343380	6348380	Bill Burns, incidentally, is now the head of the CIA.
6348380	6357380	So these were the most important diplomats who were saying if you move NATO to the East, you're going to force the Russians into war.
6357380	6361380	And we moved it to every country except one Ukraine.
6361380	6366380	And then we said, and that was the one where Russia said it is a red line.
6366380	6375380	Bill Burns, in fact, wrote a note, a memo from Moscow to the State Department saying, yet means, yet.
6375380	6380380	And he said, if you move it into the Ukraine, they are going to go to war.
6380380	6384380	They're not, it is a red line that you cannot cross.
6384380	6392380	And yet we just, the neocons, they did as much as they could up through the push administration and they were in exile.
6392380	6394380	Then they came back in Trump.
6394380	6396380	And what else do they do in Trump?
6396380	6400380	They got rid of two nuclear treaties.
6400380	6410380	So we walked away from two treaties, the Intermediate Nuclear Weapons Treaties, the then Intermediate Nuclear Weapons Station anywhere near Russia.
6410380	6413380	And we unilaterally walked away from that.
6413380	6425380	And then we installed the Aegis Missile Systems in Romania and Poland that were nuclear capable that can fire Tomahawk missiles and get to Russia in a few minutes and decapitate the entire leadership.
6425380	6429380	The Russians said, okay, you got that.
6429380	6436380	We're putting up with it, but we're not going to put up with that in Ukraine because Ukraine is 400 miles from Russia.
6436380	6441380	You'll be able to decapitate our leadership in seconds.
6441380	6449380	And that is likely to destabilize the entire region and lead to a preemptive strike.
6449380	6452380	And yet we did it anyway.
6452380	6455380	And it's just, it's dumbfounding what we did.
6455380	6459380	This is like sleepwalking into World War I.
6459380	6465380	This is exactly what happened in World War I where you had these great powers acting like idiots.
6466380	6470380	And sleepwalking into this, you know, war that accomplished nothing.
6470380	6472380	And now we're right on that.
6472380	6475380	Now we have nuclear weapons and we're going up.
6475380	6481380	We're picking a fight with a country that has a thousand more nuclear weapons than we do.
6481380	6490380	It's just insane.
6490380	6497380	Ewan, did you want to comment up there?
6497380	6499380	I just thought you went off mute.
6499380	6517380	Sorry, just, I mean, I share a lot of these concerns and I mean, I think certainly if there's not some kind of peace or ceasefire that is figured out soon.
6517380	6525380	I agree that we're essentially sending the flower of Ukrainian youth and Russian youth.
6525380	6532380	I think very few of those people actually want to be there to die in the trenches.
6532380	6546380	And I think it's morally reprehensible if, you know, if diplomats are having, you know, fine dinners while all these kids are dying in trenches.
6546380	6551380	It's just crazy.
6551380	6559380	Let me ask on the energy subject, what are your views on nuclear power?
6559380	6567380	Well, I'm hesitant to get in a fight with Michael Schoenberg here because you know, I have been disputing this for years.
6567380	6574380	But what I've always said, Ewan, is that on nuclear power, I'm all for nuclear power.
6574380	6577380	If you can make it safe and you can make it economical.
6577380	6580380	And right now it is so far from being either.
6580380	6584380	And it's not me saying it's unsafe.
6584380	6586380	It's the insurance industry.
6586380	6594380	The insurance industry regards this nuclear power as so unsafe that they will not give them insurance policy.
6594380	6596380	And, you know, we've seen their record.
6596380	6598380	The record is horrific.
6598380	6611380	You know, what's happened at Fukushima where they're, you know, now there's probably a square mile of these tanks that they put water in every day because it's contaminated water.
6611380	6615380	They're trying to keep it out of the Pacific, but there's no way to ever stop it.
6615380	6620380	They're putting these huge, huge tanks and there's, and you can look on the internet.
6620380	6622380	They go all the way to the horizon.
6622380	6625380	You know, we've watched what happened at Chernobyl, et cetera.
6625380	6630380	But putting aside the past performance of this industry, which has been cataclysmic.
6630380	6643380	You just, you know, if they, if they, if suddenly they get a technology that makes them safe and get an insurance policy so that we don't have to worry about it right now, you know, they've gone to Congress.
6643380	6644380	They can't get insurance.
6644380	6655380	So they've gone to Congress and, you know, sleazy legislative maneuver in the middle of the night has the Bryce Anderson Act, which gives them, which absolves them from liability.
6655380	6658380	It gives them immunity from liability.
6658380	6660380	So they're just like the vaccine industry.
6660380	6664380	There's no incentive for them to behave because they don't have to pay the cost.
6664380	6666380	The homeowners pay the cost.
6666380	6680380	My insurance policy and my home in Mount Kisco had a provision and it said that said this does not ensure you against radiation from a nuclear accident at, at an Indian point.
6680380	6685380	It was my, so they shifted the burden to me and industry shouldn't be allowed to do that.
6685380	6694380	And then secondly, it's so catastrophic, historically expensive, the lab to build a solar plant cost a billion dollars a gig a month.
6694380	6700380	A wind plant cost 1.1 1.2 a coal plant cost about 3.6 billion a gigabyte.
6700380	6705380	The last nuclear power plant bill cost 14 billion a gigabyte.
6705380	6713380	So, and then you have to pay for the, you know, the mining of the uranium, you have to pay for the technicians, you have to pay for the outages.
6713380	6722380	You have to pay for the storage of the waste for the next 30,000 years, which is five times the length of recorded human history.
6722380	6730380	And there, and no utility in the world will build a nuclear power plant unless it's fully subsidized by the public.
6730380	6733380	So, you know, I believe in free market capitalism.
6733380	6738380	You, we could make energy by burning prime rib if we wanted to.
6738380	6746380	But, you know, why don't we take the cheapest way to make energy, which is, you know, which is going to be some alternative that is not nuclear.
6747380	6750380	If you can make nuclear competitive, I'm for it.
6750380	6753380	But I am, I am a free market absolutist.
6753380	6760380	And I believe that we should take the cheapest form of energy that you, we should have no subsidies, no externalities.
6760380	6765380	But all the companies should have to internalize their costs the same way that they internalize their profits.
6765380	6768380	And that means the cost of pollution.
6768380	6776380	You know, you can't have a company that can put acid rain, coal company acidifying every lake in the Appalachians.
6776380	6784380	And, you know, from Georgia to Northern Quebec, putting mercury in all of our, every freshwater fish in America acidifying the ocean,
6784380	6788380	topping down all the mountains, they need to pay those costs to the American public.
6788380	6791380	The loss of those resources have to be paid for.
6791380	6797380	And if they did that, nobody would buy coal because it's, it's, it's supposed to be cheap.
6797380	6805380	But it's the most cataclysmically expensive form of energy that's probably been denied except for nuke,
6805380	6811380	which is the most expensive way to boil a pot of water that anybody has ever imagined.
6811380	6818380	So I just, I believe in markets, free market capitalism, and that ought to apply to the energy industry.
6818380	6822380	And at this point, nuke just can't compete.
6823380	6827380	All right, guys, we have a just a quick time check here.
6827380	6829380	I think we only got Bobby for another few minutes.
6829380	6831380	We've been going for about two hours.
6831380	6833380	I want to make sure we get in some questions from the crowd.
6833380	6837380	Actually, David, I just wanted to just quickly respond to that if I may.
6837380	6839380	And then for sure.
6839380	6847380	So I certainly agree that, you know, that solar power and wind are great.
6847380	6851380	Huge supporters of solar and wind.
6851380	6861380	And I also agree that the, the, the costs of coal power plants are underestimated.
6861380	6872380	They're actually, if you add up the deaths from coal mining and the sort of the effects on people's lungs who live near the coal plants,
6872380	6874380	it's pretty bad.
6874380	6876380	It's actually way worse than nuclear.
6876380	6884380	So, but I do want to sort of voice my opinion that that, in my opinion, actually, nuclear is very safe.
6884380	6898380	If you look at the actual deaths from nuclear power, it is their, their minuscule compared to certainly any fossil fuel power generation,
6898380	6902380	that their their minuscule, the fear of nuclear is very high.
6902380	6912380	And I think the, the concern, you know, it's not clear to me why the insurance companies charge so much.
6912380	6919380	But, but it, you know, I think that modern nuclear plants are extremely safe.
6919380	6930380	And, and I would actually, although this does go against a lot of people's views, I actually am a believer in nuclear vision.
6930380	6936380	So I just want to state that for the record, we can move on to something else.
6936380	6938380	All right, sounds good.
6938380	6941380	Only a few more minutes and there's so much more stuff to get to.
6941380	6949380	Bobby, you mentioned that your wife is an actor and comedian, like Mr. Zelinski.
6949380	6954380	And actually we were able to, I noticed Cheryl in the room, so we brought her on stage.
6954380	6962380	Cheryl, welcome. And I guess your question, which is, how do you feel about Bobby running for president?
6962380	6970380	And I'm also curious about what all of your friends in Hollywood think about his candidacy.
6970380	6972380	Can you guys hear me okay?
6972380	6975380	I didn't know you were going to do this.
6975380	6977380	Oh, no, I didn't either.
6977380	6985380	I'm just taking her minding my own beeswax listening and enjoying the conversation.
6985380	6989380	Oh, well, I know I forgot the question. How do I feel about it?
6989380	6992380	Yeah, yeah.
6992380	6995380	And how do your Hollywood friends feel about it?
6995380	7003380	Well, by the way, I love that they're called my Hollywood friends.
7003380	7008380	But I'm sure there's not one friend of mine that considers themselves a Hollywood friend.
7008380	7019380	But well, first of all, yes, it took a little while to get used to the idea of Bobby running.
7019380	7032380	And, you know, I took some time with it. Bobby and I talked about it a lot and decided, yes, this is what needs to happen.
7032380	7044380	And honestly, it's been really interesting and at times exciting.
7044380	7050380	It's really fun for me to witness Bobby in his element.
7050380	7056380	You know, I really feel confident that this is what he is meant to do.
7056380	7065380	So he is just, I just see him in this light that's shining on him at this moment.
7065380	7069380	And it's really, really exciting to watch.
7069380	7085380	So I know at the same time, I know there will be challenges that I hope I know I'll be strong enough to face.
7085380	7094380	But so I know there'll be challenges that will have to face and, you know, we'll get through them.
7094380	7101380	Yeah, Cheryl told me when she finally decided, OK, we'll go along with it.
7101380	7110380	She said, Cheryl, before she was an actor, and even while she was an early actor, she made her living bartending.
7110380	7117380	And she said that she was going to go to the Bahamas and invent a new kind of margarita that had Xanax in it.
7117380	7123380	And that was going to be her solution.
7123380	7127380	I'm a very practical person.
7127380	7131380	All right, well, thanks for, thanks for being a good sport, Cheryl.
7131380	7135380	I saw you in the crowd. I couldn't resist pulling you up here. So I appreciate that.
7135380	7139380	It's nice to be acknowledged.
7139380	7147380	And thank you guys, Elon and David, for posting and doing this.
7147380	7151380	And I'll slip back into the background now.
7151380	7153380	All right, it's not good.
7153380	7155380	All right, let me pull in Baldy.
7155380	7157380	And we'll hear from Kelly Slater.
7157380	7160380	And there's a couple of questions from the crowd I want to take as well.
7160380	7162380	But Baldy, you want to ask a question?
7162380	7164380	Sure. Can you hear me?
7164380	7165380	Yeah.
7165380	7167380	Okay. Okay.
7167380	7174380	Mr. Kendi, I've been impressed with your sophistication on a number of issues related to peace, civil liberties, CBC's Bitcoin.
7174380	7177380	I really only have one question. It relates to our financial system.
7177380	7185380	The short version of it is, will you be able to dig into the devaluation of treasuries and other government bonds by the Fed?
7185380	7189380	As a little bit of background, the Fed has turned treasuries into new toxic waste.
7189380	7195380	A series of ill-considered moves has turned the so-called safest asset in the world into the risky asset in the world
7195380	7197380	and set the stage for a second financial crisis.
7197380	7200380	Stanford estimates the bond losses to be in the trillions.
7200380	7205380	Dahlia says they extend far beyond banks, to pension funds, insurance companies, and other institutions.
7205380	7211380	Neural Rabini says most banks are technically near insolvency and hundreds are already fully insolvent.
7211380	7216380	The Guardian says banks unrealized loss on bond portfolios are sufficiently large as to represent systemic risk.
7216380	7221380	Neural Rabini says US Treasury bonds no longer meet the standards for high-quality liquid assets.
7221380	7226380	Right now, this bond crisis is being downplayed or blamed on everyone other than the Fed and Treasury.
7226380	7231380	But fundamentally, Treasury sold assets in 2021 that Fed then devalued in 2022,
7231380	7235380	undercutting the balance sheets of countless banks and other financial institutions.
7235380	7237380	In short, Fed lied, banks died.
7237380	7239380	Treasuries are the new toxic waste.
7239380	7244380	The Western financial system has a whole blown its bedrock asset in the second global financial crisis of brewing.
7244380	7247380	There are no obvious paths out of this. I don't involve printing a lot of money.
7247380	7254380	So while I recognize it's a somewhat arcane-sounding topic, just like subprime and CDOs, unfortunately, once were,
7254380	7259380	will we be able to dig into the devaluation of treasuries and other government bonds by the Fed?
7259380	7261380	And that's your question.
7261380	7269380	I wish you hadn't prefaced it by saying I had so much sophistication on every other issue because my only answer here is that,
7269380	7276380	would you please be my Treasury Secretary because I'd like you, if you've got a solution, I want to hear it.
7276380	7283380	I don't have lots of solutions. I can tell you what I think the problem is, but we can talk about it afterwards if you want.
7283380	7285380	I would love that.
7285380	7287380	I can show you all the graphs.
7287380	7301380	I do. I have a deep and long-time concern that it has been deeply ingrained in my family for generations about just the out-of-control nature of the Fed
7301380	7309380	and the impact of the Fed not only on the global money supply, but on democracy and on personal freedoms, etc.
7309380	7322380	And my uncle tried to do something about that by at least recoupling the money supply to base currency to gold and silver.
7322380	7333380	And he, you know, initiated during his term gold certificates and silver certificates where, which would at least have some part of the money supply that was,
7333380	7338380	that could not be easily manipulated because it was attached to the base currency.
7338380	7343380	But after his death, we went back to a full fiat currency.
7343380	7350380	And that's, you know, I think that the root of all of the issues, ultimate issues that you're talking about right now.
7350380	7358380	And I, you know, I do not have enough level of sophistication to be able to sit here and tell you that I have a simple answer to it.
7358380	7367380	I've talked to a lot of people and I've gotten a lot of different answers about how to address it, but nobody claims that there is a panacea.
7367380	7377380	But, you know, we're about to hit a wall and, you know, we're already watching people lose faith in our credit and our currency.
7377380	7385380	And, you know, and the U.S. dollar is now being threatened with losing its status.
7385380	7387380	It's a world's reserve currency.
7387380	7398380	Brazil has already signaled that it's moving away to the China, you know, adopting Chinese currency, Saudi Arabia, Argentina, Pakistan, many, many other countries are.
7399380	7408380	And that will be, that will be a cataclysm for the United States that will make the Great Depression look like a cakewalk.
7408380	7418380	And so I know I understand the emergency nature of trying to figure out a way that can, you know, to deal with this crisis.
7418380	7421380	And I would love to talk to you about it.
7421380	7427380	If you have ideas and anybody who thinks that they can help solve this problem.
7427380	7428380	Sounds good.
7428380	7430380	We could spend the whole show just talking about these issues.
7430380	7433380	We only have a few minutes left, so I want to, I want to move on.
7433380	7437380	Thanks, Balaji, and happy to connect you guys afterwards so you can talk some more about it.
7437380	7439380	Bobby, a question from the crowd.
7439380	7442380	We got a lot of questions on the issue of gun control.
7442380	7445380	I think it's one of the biggest topics in the feed.
7445380	7450380	Here's one of them from a user, Real Pat King.
7450380	7455380	He says, I need to know your detailed stance and policy on the Second Amendment before you get my vote.
7455380	7458380	That's likely the only thing holding me back from voting for you.
7458380	7462380	What do you say to him and the other people on the issue of gun control?
7462380	7466380	My position on the gun control is I'm not going to take away anybody's guns.
7466380	7477380	I know I'm, I'm a constitutional absolutist and he said, you know, we can argue about when the Second Amendment was intended to protect guns.
7477380	7494380	That argument is now been settled by the Supreme Court and, and it has a very, and the Supreme Court, you know, the Antonia Antonin Scalia's decision is a very expansive interpretation of the right to own a gun.
7494380	7505380	More importantly, I don't get anybody who tells you that by with incremental changes or incremental laws in regulating guns.
7505380	7510380	And by the way, I want to say this, I have two members of my family that were killed in gun violence.
7510380	7516380	So, you know, I take, I understand a heartbreak that this is causing to so many Americans.
7516380	7527380	It's touched my family directly and I, I know as president that you are going to expect me and I'm going to do everything I can to reduce gun violence in this country.
7527380	7534380	I think one of the tools that has been taken out of my hands is, is taking away people's guns.
7534380	7539380	I don't think it's the right thing right now because it will just polarize our country.
7539380	7542380	I've lived in rural areas of this country.
7542380	7551380	I know how integrated gun culture is in those areas and how important it is to them from a, in the way they view the Constitution.
7551380	7560380	I also know we're living in a time when the Constitution has been under attack all the other amendments in an unprecedented way.
7560380	7570380	And how that would be seen by people who believe strongly in that, in the second amendment as part of a systematic assault on our bill of rights.
7570380	7572380	And I don't want to get into that debate.
7572380	7574380	I want to stop the school shootings.
7574380	7580380	And if it comes down to protecting the schools, the way that we protect airlines, I will do that.
7580380	7584380	I do not want any more children dying in our schools.
7584380	7594380	I also am going to look very closely at the role of psychiatric drugs in these events.
7594380	7604380	And there are no good studies right now that that should have been done years ago on this issue because there's a tremendous
7605380	7613380	circumstantial evidence at those like SSRIs and Benzos and other drugs are doing this.
7613380	7622380	There's something happening in our, in our country right now that is not happening anywhere else in the world and has never happened in human history.
7622380	7625380	And you have to look at some of the almost all of these drugs.
7626380	7634380	If you look at their manufacturer's inserts, they include a side effect of homicidal and suicidal behavior.
7634380	7642380	And prior to the introduction of Prozac, we had almost no, none of these events in our country.
7642380	7652380	And we've never seen them in human history where people walk into a school room of children or strangers and start shooting people.
7652380	7661380	Other nations that have as many guns per capita as we do, like Switzerland, Switzerland, the last school shooting was 21 years ago.
7661380	7663380	We have one every 21 hours.
7663380	7673380	The one thing that we have that's different than anybody in the world is the amount of psychiatric drugs our children are taking and our people are taking.
7673380	7676380	And we need to look at that.
7676380	7679380	And NIH should have done that years ago, but they will not do it.
7679380	7687380	And they'll block other people from doing it because they are, because they're working not for us, but for the pharmaceutical industry.
7687380	7689380	And this is their major profit center today.
7689380	7701380	And so nobody wants to hear none of those, you know, the pharma does not want to hear about any problems with SSRIs, but I will do those studies immediately when I get into office.
7701380	7703380	And we're going to get the truth.
7703380	7710380	Something is something, you know, guns, the proliferation of guns, clearly a bit violence.
7710380	7724380	But anybody who tells you that they can remove enough guns, AR-15s or whatever, by tinkering at the margins and get to the kind of the situation that they have in Western Europe is pulling your leg.
7724380	7726380	It's not going to happen.
7726380	7728380	We need to look now at other solutions.
7728380	7735380	And we, and the only way we're ultimately going to get gun controls in this country is through consensus.
7735380	7739380	And that consensus cannot happen when we're all at each other's throats.
7739380	7747380	We need to assure the public people who feel insecure about the Constitution that our Constitution is no longer under threat.
7747380	7755380	Nobody wants to come and take away their guns, and that will bring people to the table and say, okay, how do we protect our children?
7755380	7760380	And that's what I'm going to try to do as president.
7760380	7764380	All right, thank you. Let's go to Kelly Slater. Kelly, it looks like you're on a skateboard somewhere.
7764380	7766380	You have a question for Bobby?
7766380	7767380	Yeah, can you hear me guys?
7767380	7768380	Yes.
7768380	7769380	Yeah.
7769380	7772380	All right. Great to talk to you, Bobby. How are you, sir?
7772380	7776380	Very well, Kelly. Thank you for calling.
7776380	7785380	I appreciate it. I think I speak for everyone when I say it's so refreshing to hear you talk about all these topics, things like reaching across the aisle.
7785380	7788380	It was really nice to see Tulsi on here. She's a good friend.
7788380	7792380	I know what she's been through when she went to Syria and spoke to the leader over there.
7792380	7794380	She got completely attacked for it at home.
7794380	7802380	But to your point earlier regarding China, regarding Russia, other places, I mean, we need to have dialogue with these people.
7802380	7807380	And I don't know why that scene is such a bad thing. It doesn't mean you're in agreement.
7807380	7811380	It means you're just trying to come up with solutions.
7811380	7813380	But we see that at home more and more with the media.
7813380	7827380	And as you pointed out earlier, I think things get into what seems like dangerous ground when you start to talk about the implications of big pharma and other companies being in cahoots with media,
7827380	7833380	then controlling the narrative, trying to cancel people like yourself. There's some frightening topics.
7833380	7841380	So I find it really refreshing to listen to you, listen to the transparency that you have when speaking about all these different topics.
7841380	7849380	And I guess that leads me back to sort of my question, because I see you as almost a Trojan horse for transparency and honesty.
7849380	7852380	And it's really refreshing in this political environment.
7852380	7862380	And I feel like at times so far, you've been, they've attempted to reduce you to small talking points in the media.
7862380	7870380	And I love to hear you talking about all these other things other than them focusing on your vaccine stance, questioning medical things.
7870380	7873380	But as you get into all these other topics, we learn so much.
7873380	7880380	So I just wonder how you'll change that narrative for people to hear your broader message and to continue to get that out.
7880380	7884380	Because there's so many challenging things, but also the way you talk about them is really inspiring.
7884380	7890380	Thank you so much, Kelly. And thank you for your courage during the pandemic.
7890380	7896380	You were really one of the few people at a time when athletes were being bullied all over the world.
7896380	7905380	You were one of the few people who were standing up and you came and talked to me on my podcast when literally nobody in the world would talk to me.
7905380	7912380	So I won't ever forget that. And I'm such an admirer of yours, not only as an athlete.
7912380	7926380	It was one of my favorite athletes, but also as for your moral courage and for your really gentle, sweet approach to the world and loving approach to the world, which is so inspiring.
7926380	7934380	I don't have a good strategy other than I don't lead ever with vaccine stuff.
7934380	7946380	I've been sort of silenced on all of these issues for 18 years and I feel like I got a lot of I'm bursting with things that opinions that people may not want to hear.
7946380	7955380	I don't ever need to talk about vaccines again, but if somebody asked me about vaccines, I'm going to tell them the truth.
7956380	7965380	And a lot of times people ask me about them and then they immediately want to shut me up because it's like turning on a fire hose and I, you know, I have a lot of domain knowledge.
7965380	7967380	I know a lot about the issue.
7967380	7979380	And so I would, you know, when I would say also generally to the press, if you don't want to hear about vaccines from me, don't ask me about them and you'll never have to listen to me.
7979380	7984380	But if you ask me, you shouldn't be shutting me up when I answer your question.
7984380	8000380	But, you know, I think I've actually been doing pretty well Kelly and being able to talk about some of these issues, you know, about the Ukraine about the censorship about the economy about the destruction of the American middle class about the
8000380	8015380	appropriation of our foreign policy by neocons about the appropriation of our domestic policy by Wall Street and, you know, the big corporate dictators and the capture of our agencies by the industries they're supposed to regulate.
8015380	8025380	And, you know, I have now it's been, you know, Cheryl and I have been astonished by how much traction these issues are getting in.
8025380	8037380	It's really been, you know, she she said that it was exciting and that I think both of us are, you know, excited that people seem to be listening and really care about these issues.
8037380	8042380	So hopefully that will continue. And thanks for joining us Kelly.
8042380	8054380	Yeah, I appreciate it. And one last thing I wanted to say is just to mention I've seen a couple interviews where people have really wanted to challenge you but not listen to what you say and I find that really dissonant.
8054380	8065380	Disson enchanted to hear that kind of media but you're always you're always kind back and you give a thoughtful answer and and I appreciate that because I think we all need more of that.
8065380	8072380	It's a great way to approach any conversation with people that especially the ones you disagree with. So thanks a lot.
8072380	8079380	Thank you Kelly.
8079380	8083380	Great. Here's a question from the crowd.
8083380	8086380	Let's see here.
8086380	8096380	Tanner T 22 asked, is your energy policy going to continue destroying our landscapes with the seas of solar panels and windmills.
8096380	8103380	And T X Frenchman asked your stance on oil and gas drill or no drill.
8103380	8122380	Well, I don't have an easy answer for either of those things. You know, I think like I said, I think we should not have that every energy system, every energy generator should have to internalize its costs.
8122380	8130380	And so and there's some cases like for example, I fought for many years offshore wind in the United States.
8130380	8137380	I think offshore wind makes sense in in some in the North Atlantic and some parts of Europe.
8137380	8146380	But in the United States, we have great onshore wind and we have the best onshore wind probably anywhere in the world of any continent except for Antarctica.
8146380	8161380	And and we have great economic opportunities and great places to do it where it does does minimal environmental damage. A lot of the cornfields of North Dakota, for example, which are huge economic boom for family farmers in North Dakota.
8161380	8175380	And potentially if we have a grid system that can pick up that energy could provide a lot of our energy grid. You know, I think not Montana North Dakota, Texas have enough wind to provide 100% of our energy grid right now.
8175380	8184380	People are, you know, building with highly highly subsidized wind power wind turbines in the Atlantic.
8184380	8195380	And and we're seeing these big whale kills that appear to be related to it and to me that's intolerable. And it's not something that we should be doing. So I'm against it.
8195380	8213380	But, you know, everywhere energy, there's no single solution for energy. Every one of them is is connected to a locality and you have to measure the impacts on that locality of, you know, how much environmental damage per kilowatt hour.
8213380	8233380	And that has those costs need to be internalized so that the public can then make a rational choice. It is market based about what energy they want. And and and so that's how I, you know, that's how I would feel about that.
8233380	8248380	Alright, thank you. I'm being informed by Bobby's team that we have to go. We've been going for over two hours now and the times is flown by so appreciate everyone who's participated. Everyone who is still waiting to ask a question.
8248380	8257380	We just couldn't get to everybody, but they're going to be other opportunities. I'm confident in the future to keep doing this. Bobby's been super available on podcasts and interviews.
8257380	8268380	So I'm sure you'll be hearing a lot more from him. And if you want to follow his campaign, his team is telling me that you can go to his website, which is kennedy24.com.
8268380	8278380	And if you want to contribute, you can do it there or you could join the mailing list. So, Kenny 24 is the website. Thanks so much for participating and we'll see you guys next time.
8278380	8284380	Thank you very much, David. And thank you, Elon.
8284380	8286380	Thanks, guys.