Bagua / Dao

[05:11:33] <|343373|> sec let me find something for you to understand what i mean
[05:12:12] <|343373|> kk Bagua / Dao is a good example
[05:12:33] <|343373|> its explained here well http://www.wuxiaworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/taiji-1.jpg
[05:13:39] <|343373|> sec actually its too hard to explain with that
[05:14:56] <|343373|> The Limitless (??; wuji) produces the delimited (??; youji), and this demarcation is equivalent to the Absolute (??; taiji).
[05:14:56] <|343373|> The Taiji produces two forms, named yin and yang (??; yinyang);
[05:14:57] <|343373|> These two forms produce four phenomena: named lesser yin (??, shaoyin), greater yin (??; taiyin, which also refers to the Moon), lesser yang (??, shaoyang), and greater yang (??; taiyang, which also refers to the Sun).
[05:15:01] <|343373|> The four phenomena (??; sixiang) act on the eight trigrams (??; bagua).
[05:15:03] <|343373|> Eight 'eights' results in sixty-four hexagrams. (ignore the metaphors...)
[05:16:20] <|343373|> The Limitless = 1, delimited = 0 (nothing)
[05:16:48] <|343373|> together they are the "the Absolute"
[05:17:44] <|343373|> then the absolute 0 | 1 created yin(-1) and yang(+1)
[05:18:11] <|343373|> so now you get Ternary numeral system
[05:18:58] <|343373|> -1 = 2, +1 = 1, 0 = nothing
[05:20:08] <|343373|> Binary 0, 1 are equal to Base10 0, 9
[05:20:50] <|343373|> binary 0 = base10 0, binary 1 = base10 1-9
[05:22:42] <|343373|> Does that make more sense?
[05:24:50] <Lurker69> ya
[05:24:52] <|343373|> base10 9 = 1-8
[05:25:22] <|343373|> combined*
[05:25:30] <Lurker69> 0 is same only one digit in all base systems, while everything else gets divided in other base-1 digits
[05:25:53] <|343373|> 0 is not really a digit
[05:25:58] <|343373|> its the lack of digit
[05:26:22] <Lurker69> so in base 3 everything else is 1-2   in base 15 everything else is 1,2,3..15
[05:26:42] <|343373|> symbol for absolute lack of something
[05:26:59] <Lurker69> yeah zero is lack of anything else or nothing
[05:27:22] <|343373|> base 3 = 0, 1-2 OR -1, 0, +1
[05:28:18] <|343373|> base10 = 0, 1-9 OR -4 -3 -2 -1 (0 OR 9) +1 +2 +3 +4 +5
[05:29:38] <|343373|> typo
[05:29:50] <|343373|> base10 = 0, 1-9 OR -4 -3 -2 -1 (0 OR 9) +1 +2 +3 +4
[05:31:46] <|343373|> Base4 = -1 (0 OR 3) +1
[05:35:58] <|343373|> base(3 or 4) -1 can be equal to base10 +3. Base(3 or 4) +1 can be equal to Base10 +6, Base4 3 can be equal to Base10 9
[05:42:51] <Lurker69> hmm 'base(3 or 4) -1 can be equal to base10 +3. Base(3 or 4) +1 can be equal to Base10 +6' in both cases you expressed base 10 as 0, 1-9; am I right?
[05:44:08] <|343373|> yes
[05:45:29] <|343373|> if as -4 -3 -2 -1 09 +1 +2 +3 +4 then you need to note the inner polarity change aswell
[05:45:39] <|343373|> 1 is a +
[05:45:43] <|343373|> 2 is a -
[05:46:31] <|343373|> 3 is a neutral (but negative compared to 6)
[05:46:36] <|343373|> 4 is +
[05:46:42] <|343373|> 5 is -
[05:47:18] <|343373|> 6 is neutral (but positive compared to 3)
[05:47:31] <|343373|> 7 is +
[05:47:35] <|343373|> 8 is -
[05:47:48] <|343373|> 9 is Perfect neutral
[05:48:43] <|343373|> perfect as in it also has the negative neutral 3 and the positive neutral 6 in it so its neutral neutral
[05:50:11] <Lurker69> ill just take that as you said it
[05:50:38] <|343373|> okay that sound stupid but ill try to explain it better
[05:51:45] <|343373|> one is neutal but standing at the negative side, other is neutral but standing on the positive side, and 1 neutral is standing at the very neutral center
[05:53:04] <|343373|> 3 is neutral but on negative side, 6 is neutral but on positive side
[05:53:20] <|343373|> 9 is combination of both
[05:54:49] <|343373|> 3 and 6 are opposites
[05:56:50] <|343373|> Dont just take it if it doesnt make enough sense to you, verify with your understanding/try to understand it, dont just accept lol
[05:57:28] <|343373|> it wont be useful if you dont understand it :o
[06:00:12] <Lurker69> its a bit unfamiliar concept, sounds strange, since you have -2 (0-2) and now i also have to comprehend 2 being negative by default
[06:01:04] <|343373|> negative as its direction(/charge) from 0 or 9
[06:01:20] <|343373|> you go left not right
[06:02:17] <|343373|> okay here this will fix it for you
[06:02:49] <|343373|> - o +
[06:03:06] <|343373|> 8 9 1
[06:03:08] <Lurker69> i get the dynamics of + > - > n > + > - > n > + > - 'perfect n'
[06:03:23] <|343373|> sec dont msg
[06:03:28] <|343373|> - o +
[06:03:34] <|343373|> 8 9 1
[06:03:52] <|343373|> derp argh
[06:03:58] <|343373|> - o +
[06:04:26] <|343373|> 2 3 4
[06:04:44] <|343373|> 8 9 1
[06:04:49] <|343373|> 5 6 7
[06:06:39] <|343373|> the logic of the expansion is ++ = -, -- = +, + - / - + = o
[06:08:48] <Lurker69> yeah now  i get that with logic you explained, before i was wondering why
[06:08:59] <|343373|> 1(+), 11 = 2, ++ = -
[06:09:24] <|343373|> 22 = 4, -- = +
[06:10:37] <Lurker69> yeah and 41 = 5, ++ = -
[06:10:42] <|343373|> oops i typo lgic abit
[06:11:26] <|343373|> ++ = -, -- = +, + - / - + = o,  - o / o - = -, + o / o + = +
[06:12:33] <|343373|> 2+3 = 5, - o = -
[06:13:02] <|343373|> to 1 2 4 5 7 8, 3 and 6 are o
[06:13:19] <|343373|> to 9, 3 and 6 are - and +
[06:13:48] <|343373|> the pattern goes as
[06:14:42] <Lurker69> this all makes sense so far
[06:14:44] <|343373|> + - - + - + + -
[06:14:53] <|343373|> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
[06:16:03] <|343373|> thats should make it much more clear too
[06:16:42] <Lurker69> it does
[06:18:03] <Lurker69> before i was wondering why
[06:18:03] <Lurker69> - - - - o + + + +
[06:18:03] <Lurker69> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
[06:18:03] <Lurker69> would not be just as valid as your +-o+-o+-o , now i see that it wouldnt follow same logic
[06:21:29] <Lurker69> also those  base4   -1  (0 or 3) +1     being base10  3  (0 or 9)  6
[06:21:38] <Lurker69> i understand it as http://prntscr.com/bmfciv
[06:24:36] <|343373|> slight typo though... its 5678 9 or 0 1234
[06:25:44] <|343373|> -4 -3 -2 -1 9or0 +1 +2 +3 +4
[06:26:30] <|343373|>  5  6  7  8  90  1  2  3  4
[06:26:44] <Lurker69> i got it
[06:27:04] <|343373|> - + + - o + - - +
[06:27:49] <|343373|> - (+) + - (o) + - (-) +
[06:28:37] <|343373|> 5  6  7 8  9  1 2  3  4
[06:44:21] <Lurker69> one slight detail, you said that 3 is negative because it is on negative side, but in notation: '5 6 7 8 9 1 2 3 4' 3 is on the right same as 1 which is positive and 6 is on the left same as 8 which is negative
[06:44:21] <Lurker69> i guess 3 is negative neutral and 6 is positive neutral comes from 5 6 7 8 9 1 2 3 4 having  pattern - + + - o + - - + instead of (in case of - 6 and +3) pattern  - - + - o + - + + being unbalanced
[06:59:48] <|343373|> that too
[07:00:26] <|343373|> and > (o) + -
[07:00:33] <|343373|> (o) + - (o) + - (o) + -
[07:02:27] <|343373|> + | - (+) + - (o) + - (-) + | -
[07:05:09] <|343373|> "to 1 2 4 5 7 8, 3 and 6 are o"
[07:05:20] <|343373|> "to 9, 3 and 6 are - and +"
[07:07:05] <Lurker69> yeah i catched that when you said that earlier
[07:07:16] <|343373|> (+) < (+ -) (o) (+ -) > (-)