[11:31] sb: wtf is going on in mafia
[11:31] sb: anyway
[11:32] Refa: voted marf for stuff u can see on thread, kill's way of scumhunting is shady, elie i...don't get at all, and evan makes me salty but idk if he's scum yet
[11:33] Refa: oh, and also drinking
[11:33] Refa: lots and lots of drinking
[11:33] Refa:
[11:33] sb: are you drinking?
[11:33] sb: why does it have to be 11am
[11:33] Refa: nope
[11:33] sb: i cant join in the drinking yet
[11:33] sb:
[11:33] Refa: just soda
[11:33] Refa: lmao
[11:33] Refa: no one is on anyways, so it doesn't make sense to drink now
[11:34] sb: i dont think i’ve ever tried drinking and playing as town before
[11:34] sb: tbh
[11:34] sb: maybe once
[11:34] sb: but otherwise SCUM ESCAPISM
[11:34] Refa: I've only drank as town before
[11:34] Refa:
[11:34] sb:
[11:34] sb: but yeah idk
[11:34] sb: im like
[11:35] sb: conflicted on marth bc i dont think hes scum with snike
[11:35] sb: but i havent actually been able to talk with snike for a bit
[11:35] sb: and dont like marth
[11:35] Refa: have you talked w/marf yet
[11:35] sb: also im kinda iffy on eclipse just by vibes? but i dislike athena
[11:35] sb: yeah i talked to marth and athena yesterday
[11:35] sb: i do feel like
[11:36] sb: the majority of the involved people here will be town
[11:36] Refa: hmmm i haven't talked to any of those people but i think wrt athena that's just how he plays over him being scum
[11:36] Refa: judging from his thread stuff only tho
[11:36] sb: wdym its how he plays
[11:36] Refa: like
[11:36] Refa: in training a lot of his scumreads were based on people casing him
[11:36] sb: hmm
[11:36] Refa: so him being defensive isn't a tell
[11:37] sb: oh shoutout to shinori for unintentional roleplaying
[11:37] Refa:
[11:37] sb: defensiveness doesnt bug me on its own but i havent felt strongly about his other things wither
[11:37] Refa: i unintentionally roleplayed by barely doing anything today
[11:37] sb: either
[11:37] Refa: ya
[11:37] Refa: i mean im just null on him but the things he's getting flack for
[11:37] Refa: seem dumb to me
[11:37] sb: i’m also lazy but thats like the opposite of roleplaying for me
[11:37] Refa: knowing what i know about his playstyle
[11:37] Refa: ya im not u anyways
[11:38] Refa: who are you bothered by?
[11:38] Refa: you mentioned eclipse, i don't have a read on her
[11:39] sb: “elie and snike look bad-ish, but both are being pushed already so why bother”
i asked him a lil bit later about what he meant and
“If there's pressure I don't add much, I doubt I can add much in terms of questioing and if both turn out wagons I can take the people on the wagons into account”
[11:39] sb: this bugged me
[11:40] sb: bc its just
[11:40] sb: wait and see
[11:40] Refa: who is that
[11:40] sb: athena
[11:40] Refa: oh
[11:40] Refa: yeah actually that is bad
[11:40] Refa: idt i saw that tbh
[11:40] sb: on phone so copying over logs is difficult
[11:40] Refa: oh
[11:40] sb: yeah
[11:40] Refa: hmmmm
[11:40] sb: its from my convo w/ him last night
[11:40] sb: also some context on the comment
[11:40] sb: that he made in the main channel
[11:41] sb: like “i’ll do things in 8 hours”
[11:41] sb: i friend requested him 2 minutes earlier or something
[11:41] sb: but got too lazy to talk to him
[11:41] sb: so i didnt do anything
[11:41] Refa: lmao, i literally did that too
[11:41] sb: but i kinda wondered if
[11:41] sb: he was expecting pressure i guess
[11:41] sb: there
[11:42] Refa: i'm confused, what do you mean by expecting pressur?
[11:42] sb: this was before he got votes or anything there tho
[11:42] sb: like he thought i would contact him but i didnt
[11:42] sb: idk if this makes sense
[11:42] Refa: it doesnt!
[11:42] sb: lmao
[11:42] Refa:
[11:42] sb: basically i send him the friend request
[11:42] sb: he posts that in the main chat
[11:43] sb: and im kinda wondering if its just like, posturing i guess bc he’s wary?
[11:43] sb: its not a strong thing but im kinda mulling over it still
[11:43] Refa: you mean, like why he needed to publicly say he'd be doing stuff?
[11:43] sb: yeah
[11:43] sb: that
[11:44] Refa: ya i get that
[11:44] Refa: i think the wagon thing is more telling cause he never shied away from jumping on the popular wagons in
[11:44] Refa: previous town games
[11:47] sb: yeah thats the bigger thing that bothered me
[11:48] sb: i dont remember if i spoke about
[11:48] sb: my snike read to him@or not
[11:48] sb: i should look
[11:48] Refa: what's your snike read? idr if you told me or not lol
[11:48] Refa: also eclipse too would help since i haven't talked to her zzzz
[11:49] Refa: at least in eimm when u dont talk to people its a STRATEGIC DECISION probably
[11:49] Refa:
[11:49] sb: i havent talked to eclipse either
[11:49] Refa: oh, i thought you did
[11:49] sb: basically i thought snikes reads were weak and that he was mostly trying to look good
[11:49] sb: over look for scum
[11:50] sb: also stuff like drawing attention to his provable role feels like
[11:50] Refa: it's possible, i don't feel like i have a strong read on the guy
[11:50] sb: he’s trying to mindgame kinda
[11:50] sb: on something that doesnt mean anything
[11:50] sb: when hes not trying to leas
[11:50] sb: lead
[11:50] Refa: someone mentioned that it felt like he was trying to be like "i could be town leader too" but not actually doing it
[11:50] Refa: seemed bad
[11:50] Refa: cam? maybe
[11:50] sb: “I agree with the townread on possible future town leader Brooklyn in any case”
this is another tone thing that buts me about athena
[11:50] sb: *bugs
[11:50] sb: its so
[11:50] sb: cautious
[11:50] Refa: wording wise?
[11:51] sb: even when he’s giving a read
[11:51] sb: yeah
[11:51] Refa: tbh i should talk to brooklyn more, i talked to her yesterday but idt she had clear reads then
[11:51] Refa: and no one i know has been talking to her that much? or they haven't told me
[11:51] Refa: which is kinda weird for a town leader
[11:51] sb: i spoke a bit last night to her
[11:52] Refa: i got the impression that a lot of people were speaking w/amphy
[11:52] sb: i initiated it tho and idr what her reads were but i was tired af
[11:52] sb: when it happened
[11:52] Refa: idk if it's really suspicious or i'm just being paranoid, tho
[11:53] sb: i think its fine in terms of still being cautious
[11:53] sb: i havent claimed and i kinda feel like iwont
[11:53] sb: until something happens
[11:54] Refa: yeah, i haven't claimed either
[11:54] Refa: to anyone
[11:55] sb: i’ve crumbed slightly bc it was uh relevant to one of my suspicions earlier
[11:55] Refa: oc is kinda a pita w/o a town leader tho
[11:55] sb: but my role is unguessable before use so
[11:55] Refa: can confirm, have not guessed it
[11:55] Refa: unless ur a mayor that has to be activated broken role
[11:56] sb: im sure if you think hard enough about it you can solve it!!
[11:56] sb: but prolly not
[11:56] sb: in reality
[11:56] Refa: ya but why bother thinking when i can get someone else to do it for me
[11:56] sb: lmao
[11:56] sb: yeah
[11:58] sb: but yeah the eclipse stuff
[11:58] sb: is hard
[11:58] Refa: its hard because i dont want to use sf pm's
[11:58] sb: i didnt get her unvote but it seemed to come from oc stuff
[11:58] Refa: ya tbh idm that stuff cause i do it all the time
[11:59] sb: yeah i feel like
[11:59] sb: i have weird vibes from her
[11:59] sb: but also everything she’s done has been like
[11:59] sb: within town eclipse range
[11:59] sb: i think
[11:59] Refa: clearly itp
[11:59] sb: no thats shinori
[12:00] sb: duh
[12:00] Refa: :my_b: