GlaistigUaine: Differences, patience, insight

EonEcho
GlaistigUaine: Do you like military culture?
17:22 GlaistigUaine
I like history.
EonEcho
Soldiers! don’t give yourselves to brutes - men who despise you - enslave you - who regiment your lives - tell you what to do - what to think and what to feel! Who drill you - diet you - treat you like cattle, use you as cannon fodder. Don’t give yourselves to these unnatural men - machine men with machine minds and machine hearts! You are not machines! You are not cattle! You are men! You have the love of humanity in
EonEcho
your hearts! You don’t hate! Only the unloved hate - the unloved and the unnatural! Soldiers! Don’t fight for slavery! Fight for liberty!
deusexbee
i got a SMS phish today from a trump supporter. it was pathetic, it reads like this: "ALERT: You FAILED to accept your 2020 Membership & have been marked INACTIVE. Claim your membership NOW to defend Trump & Conservatives [url]"
atheism
Athiests have no soles
EonEcho
GlaistigUaine: I'm somewhat of a history buff m'self. *shifts in chair*
GlaistigUaine
EonEcho: Cool.  I do know a lot about british military history, because I am british.
deusexbee
I don't know a lot about earth's history, because I'm not an earthling.
deusexbee
:P
GlaistigUaine
EonEcho: I try to not to be nationalistic or partisan about it.
EonEcho
GlaistigUaine: Partisanship is for lower intelligence people.
EonEcho
It naturally dissolves as one's awareness grows, which knowledge of history facilitates.
17:28 GlaistigUaine
Clearly you don't know many higer intelligent people.
deusexbee
Since my state requires me to register to vote with a party affiliation, I am registered as an unaffiliated voter.
deusexbee
You'd be surprised how many people find that threatening.
GlaistigUaine
Maybe you should get a sword thrown at you deusexbee?
deusexbee
by a moistened bint?!
EonEcho notes the tu quoque fallacy
EonEcho already loses a lot of interest in engaging GlaistigUaine
EonEcho
GlaistigUaine: I would like to share with you a high quality response to my assertion:
GlaistigUaine
deusexbee: Well I didn't want to suggest any of your female famle were bints....
deusexbee
GlaistigUaine is a chatter best engaged over a couple drinks.
EonEcho
"On what basis do you assert that partisanship/factionalism negatively correlates with IQ?"
EonEcho
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/unique-everybody-else/201305/intelligence-and-politics-have-complex-relationship
EonEcho
I found this in 14 seconds of research.
EonEcho
A number of theories have been proposed about the nature of the relationship between political views and intelligence. Some scholars (for example Stankov, 2009) have argued that conservative political ideologies tend to be associated with lower intelligence on average. Conservatives generally value tradition, respect for authority, and social order, and tend to be leery of innovation and change.
EonEcho
These scholars have argued that such values tend to be associated with cognitive rigidity and may therefore appeal to people who have difficulty with intellectual challenges that require them to process novel information. In support of this, Stankov (2009) cited evidence that people with more conservative views tend to score lower on IQ tests and to have lower levels of education. Not surprisingly, conservatives tend to r
EonEcho
eact with anger to such assertions. Accusations of liberal bias among academics are often made and there does appear to be a degree of truth to these, especially among social psychologists (e.g. Prentice, 2012).
GlaistigUaine
Cool.
EonEcho
A recent proponent of this view is Rinderman who argued that more intelligent people tend to have civic values that lead them to support political systems they believe will foster education and the growth of knowledge (Rindermann, Flores-Mendoza, & Woodley, 2012). Hence, according to this view, intelligent people tend to believe that moderate or centrist parties are more likely to promote their particular social interests
EonEcho
compared to more clearly left or right parties.
EonEcho
Further, interpersonal violence decreases precipitously from 85 to 100, and then slightly from 100 to 115.
GlaistigUaine
Lets pretend I'm not omniscient genius and an avid reader of psychology today.
EonEcho
Okay.
EonEcho
Avoid ad hominems, then.
atheism
Who unbanned Lania this time?
EonEcho
If you dispute a claim, state that, and ask for a citation.
GlaistigUaine
I sure will
deusexbee
I only do that in debate channels. :)
deusexbee
actually i do it here sometimes too
EonEcho
I do it wherever I am present.
GlaistigUaine
I do it whenever I give a shit.
deusexbee
In that case, GlaistigUaine, may I also offer you my most sincere contrafibularities.
GlaistigUaine
Must be exhausting doing it all the time EonEcho
EonEcho
GlaistigUaine: I am motivated, on this point, by a synthesis of Buddhist ideology and Western cognitive science.
EonEcho
Specifically, Buddhism has as part of the Eightfold Path 'right speech', 'right mindfulness', and 'right concentration'.
GlaistigUaine
deusexbee: I'm anaspeptic, phrasmotic, even compunctuous to have caused you such pericombobulation.
EonEcho
The goal is to have perfect thought, speech, and mindfulness in every moment.
EonEcho
That's a difficult goal and one I have not achieved, nor do I know if it is achievable.
EonEcho
The value of such a goal is that it provides a lifelong goal which generates many beneficial qualities.
EonEcho
For example, it strongly reduces rates of dementia in later life.
EonEcho
It makes one more equanimous in the present when 'significant' events occur, like 9/11 or an explosion in your proximity.
deusexbee
I have a candle sitting here that just snuffed itself without warning and is emitting smoke at a phrenetic rate
EonEcho
It mitigates how much suffering you spread through mindlessness to others.
EonEcho
Subjectively, it seems to operate as exercise for the mind, increasing your ability to maintain concentration and rigor for long periods of time.
EonEcho
I do mentally fatigue, of course -- it takes about six hours of philosophy until I start to get fatigued.
deusexbee
I believe you can be in a state of perpetual mindfulness
EonEcho
Buddhism, especially Zen Buddhism, is highly weary of language and the ways in which language block us from interacting with the 'real world', and so there are a number of mechanisms and prohibitions on language in a more practical sense.
EonEcho
deusexbee: I agree.
EonEcho
Zen Buddhism would much prefer the person say nothing than say something imprecisely.
deusexbee
sometimes while playing the piano, I am in a meditative state
GlaistigUaine
Intuition is inside your own experiences
EonEcho
So, if one is tired by reaching towards mental excellence, such as always asking for citations and attempting to remain calm, avoid ad hominems, etc., then that person should not speak.
EonEcho
Just sit or sleep until one regains mindfulness.
GlaistigUaine
Your consciousness fascinates the mechanics of joy
deusexbee
deepak
EonEcho
So, I recommend an alternate way of viewing that standard, GlaistigUaine.
GlaistigUaine
How did you know?!?!
EonEcho
If you do view it as tiring.
EonEcho
I recommend viewing it as 'your duty'.
GlaistigUaine
http://wisdomofchopra.com/
EonEcho
It doesn't matter, then, whether or not you're tired.
EonEcho
You do your duty.
EonEcho
If you cannot do your duty, retire until you can.
EonEcho
GlaistigUaine: It appears you have been overwhelmed by philosophy.
EonEcho
You appear to now be uttering anti-intellectualisms for emotional assuagement.
EonEcho
A basic technique, but common.
EonEcho
GlaistigUaine: I put you on ignore for 24 hours.
deusexbee
I'm not sure I agree that you should say nothing if you cannot say it precisely
deusexbee
because mistakes allow for learning to take place
EonEcho
That seems reasonable.
deusexbee
naturally, you have to be speaking with people interested in helping your education
EonEcho
It might be true that Buddhism would teach karma improvement is the ultimate goal, not learning.
EonEcho
And so there would be a greater emphasis on not generating negative karma, which is more likely to occur when we're in a decreased quality mental state.
deusexbee
how do you define karma?
EonEcho
GlaistigUaine: I am not in the mood of altering my style to meet your style. My natural style was sufficiently different from yours that it made you feel different and/or otherized (which appears to have result in the generic emotion of annoyance).
EonEcho
A combination of the difficulty in working with those states coupled with lack of interest on my part lead me to believe a 24-hour break will be best.
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EonEcho
In reality, sharing explicitly that I'm taking a 24-hour break with people who spoke as you did is generally counter-productive.
EonEcho
It creates a sense in the receiver they're inferior, which seems to nestle deeply into that person's perceptions of the interaction.
deusexbee
GlaistigUaine, that sounds like a David Mitchellism
EonEcho
That inferiority then generally manifests for long periods of time after the 24-hour period as ended.
deusexbee
GlaistigUaine, ah ok
EonEcho
The solution to this, honestly, is to accept in less abilities of the receiver and placate them by just withdrawing from the conversation without sharing that you're doing so.
deusexbee
ok folks i'll be back in a bit...
EonEcho
Because then they aren't confronted with 'being attacked'.
EonEcho
However, I don't really have respect for that.
EonEcho
It's just mental weakness and I dislike its presence in my life.
EonEcho
Ultimately, what happens, then, is this type of direct communication acts as an aggressive filtering for those minds that are reasonably aware and calm, and ends up blocking all the rest.
EonEcho
Which isn't a terrible outcome, of course.
EonEcho
I don't want relationships with people I don't respect.
EonEcho
deusexbee: You can argue in Buddhism proper karma is connected to a metaphysics which is not compatible with the physical realism of science.
EonEcho
I generally reject that form of karma.
EonEcho
Though, if you look at pre-secterian Buddhism -- the Buddhism most directly espoused by Buddha -- it's pretty compatible with contemporary cognitive science and physical realism, arguably.
EonEcho
Generally, he explicitly avoided getting bogged down in such abstract notions.
EonEcho
I think some version of karma ports over to physical realism through the mechanisms of memory and suffering.
EonEcho
So, even if you are generating no suffering in the present nor for the last 8 months, you will possibly/probably have memories or encounters with people from your past that involved suffering.
EonEcho
That can be modeled as negative karma.
EonEcho
So, karma would be the contemporary and historical effects of 'wrong action' that induce suffering.
EonEcho
Hmm, I should generalize that.
EonEcho
That would be negative karma.
EonEcho
Karma is the accumulation of effects of all contemporary and historical choices that affect you.
EonEcho
One of the benefits of believing in karma as a 'real' thing is that it generates salience in your mind. Generally, when humans only think of some construct as a tool, they are less moved by it.
EonEcho
It would have been more skillful had I been more patient with you, GlaistigUaine; I suppose I did my best in that moment.