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- 13:42 *** Lensch joined #politics
- https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/22/mueller-adds-new-tax-bank-fraud-charges-against-manafort-gates-422335
- Topic set by ltCd-!~ltCd-@64.145.79.234 on Thu Feb 22 2018 14:19:42 GMT-0800 (PST)
- 13:42 Ekko Greetings Lensch, #politics is currently moderated. If you wait a minute without changing your nickname, you can take part in the discussion (mode +v).
- 13:42 Gumbie president has much influence, but most things take time
- 13:42 Gumbie and copporation to get done
- 13:42 MacGuffin the president only has ultimate power (although still limited) when the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus is suspended
- 13:42 +++ Ekko has given voice to Lensch
- 13:42 Gumbie in time of war, he can act
- 13:42 Gumbie without any of those checks and balances
- 13:43 Lensch War powers in the USA are a mess.
- 13:43 MacGuffin he is bound by law
- 13:43 Gumbie if you think trump is a dictator currently, just hope congress don't offically declare war
- 13:44 MacGuffin if he tries to break the law, the military might also break the law but in the opposite direction
- 13:44 Lensch One can only hope @ military resisting the despotism of Trump.
- 13:44 MacGuffin law is funny like that
- 13:44 Lensch The GOP has put me in a place where I hope for soft military coups in order to prevent full fascism.
- 13:44 gjvc when will the next war start?
- 13:44 Gumbie he is bound more by public opinion
- 13:45 Gumbie bush stretched the 'law' many times and so did obama
- 13:45 Lensch America currently needs no wars.
- 13:45 Lensch We can't afford it.
- 13:45 chEEKie next real war will start when the USD loses its reserve currency status
- 13:45 Gumbie i think when china moves in
- 13:45 Gumbie they are buying up much
- 13:46 Gumbie why invade when USa is for sale
- 13:46 MacGuffin "We can't afford it." ...true, and neither can the enemy
- 13:46 chEEKie the left will revolt after their decades of weflare/scoial programs collapse the dollar, then demand to be given more free shit, which no one will be able to fund
- 13:46 --- VonMises has unbanned *!*poop*@*
- 13:46 Lensch We have to provide universal healthcare and rebuild our infrastructure before any new wars.
- 13:46 Lensch We have to tighten our belt.
- 13:46 Gumbie i also think the 'issue' will start in the south china sea
- 13:46 Gumbie and escalate from there
- 13:46 MacGuffin in war, the bank just about always wins
- 13:47 *** fred1234 joined #politics
- 13:47 chEEKie nah, it's the contractors nowadays
- 13:47 chEEKie the guys who go in and build shit no one uses
- 13:47 Gumbie the contractors (some) benifit during war time
- 13:47 +++ Ekko has given voice to fred1234
- 13:48 chEEKie they triple their price, pocket the money, laugh their asses off
- 13:48 chEEKie taxpayers never the wiser
- 13:48 MacGuffin defense contractors benefit during peacetime just by using the threat of benefiting during wartime
- 13:48 Lensch Donald Trump is currently being advised to have a private, contractor army that reports directly to him.
- 13:48 Gumbie they learn after the fact usually... truth comes out eventually/
- 13:49 Gumbie recognition, and acceptance is another part of that tho
- 13:49 chEEKie yeah, by the time "the truth comes out"... the company has already shuttered
- 13:49 chEEKie funds transferred elsewhere
- 13:49 Lensch chEEKie: How do you feel about Blackwater founder Eric Prince advising Donald Trump?
- 13:49 Lensch The founder.
- 13:49 chEEKie who gives a shit?
- 13:49 gjvc Lensch
- 13:50 Lensch Oh, I thought you cared about contractors stealing taxpayer money.
- 13:50 Lensch My bad.
- 13:50 Gumbie not sure even whom Eric Prince is
- 13:50 MacGuffin stealing?
- 13:50 gjvc worry more about Blackwater working with the likes of WEEV
- 13:50 Lensch Gumbie: He is the founder of Blackwater.
- 13:50 MacGuffin you cannot steal something that belongs to you
- 13:50 Gumbie Lensch, heard of it, but excuse my ignorance
- 13:50 Lensch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Prince
- 13:50 urlinfo *** Erik Prince - Wikipedia
- 13:50 Lensch Gumbie: It was the world's largest contractor army.
- 13:50 Lensch It still exists under a different name.
- 13:51 Lensch It's now known as Academi.
- 13:51 Gumbie oh i know who he is now... picture is worth atleast dozen words in this case
- 13:51 Lensch He met with Russian oligarchs in the Seychelles.
- 13:51 Lensch He's interested in overthrowing the United States government.
- 13:51 Gumbie the Navy Seal, that has much controversy around him
- 13:51 Lensch He is currently advising Donald J. Trump, POTUS.
- 13:51 Gumbie Trump should listen to others, but not just any one of them
- 13:51 Lensch He has advised Trump to have a private CIA and private Navy and private Army that report directly to him.
- 13:52 Lensch You know, fascism.
- 13:52 [pack] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/23/donald-trumps-approval-rating-rises-50-per-cent/
- 13:52 urlinfo *** Donald Trump's approval rating rises to 50 per cent
- 13:52 gjvc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academi
- 13:52 urlinfo *** Academi - Wikipedia
- 13:52 gjvc fascism is on the rise
- 13:52 Lensch [pack]: That is not the best information.
- 13:52 Gumbie One of my issues with trump is at first he acted and said He was the smartest, and everything he discovered was a new revolation not to just him, but with the way he said it everyone else too
- 13:52 Lensch A single poll is less accurate than an aggregation of polls.
- 13:53 Lensch https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
- 13:53 urlinfo *** Content type: text/html
- 13:53 [pack] Lensch, better than yours
- 13:53 Lensch Trump is currently at a 40.0% approval rating.
- 13:53 Gumbie i think tax cut had much to do with that
- 13:53 Willpa so you think the FED couldn't win in a RCS war?
- 13:53 Gumbie economy not so bad
- 13:54 Lensch Gumbie: Most of the tax cut went to the superwealthy.
- 13:54 Gumbie small biz got a kick back
- 13:54 Lensch Yes.
- 13:54 Gumbie granted that isn't me
- 13:54 Lensch That expires after about 18 months.
- 13:54 *** happy_day quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
- 13:54 Lensch The tax cuts for the superwealthy are permanent.
- 13:54 Gumbie yes, and it expires
- 13:54 Lensch (Until the law is changed)
- 13:54 Lensch Gumbie: The GOP uses and abuses GOP voters.
- 13:54 gjvc Lensch
- 13:55 lednerk BREAKING NEWS: Former Trump campaign official Rick Gates pleasing guilty to intentionally conspiring against the United States and to misleading Mueller's FBI investigators.
- 13:55 gjvc do you believe that fascism is on the rise ?
- 13:55 lednerk nice hoax
- 13:55 Lensch Yes.
- 13:55 Gumbie Your speaking to me, like i voted for trump..... I didn't vote at all last election
- 13:55 gjvc ok
- 13:55 gjvc how much ?
- 13:55 Lensch Donald J. Trump is a dictator.
- 13:55 Lensch He is currently being constrained by some parts of the government.
- 13:55 gjvc how can we remove those constraints ?
- 13:55 Lensch But at his heart, he is at least as bad as Duterte.
- 13:55 Gumbie i actually have voiced unlike for trump several times, but in my case they are mostly personally and so I try not to parrot them over and over again
- 13:55 Lensch Why do you want to remove those constraints?
- 13:56 Willpa no they are not, first bleeding heart liberal that gets int the WH will fix things up real quick
- 13:56 gjvc don't answer a question with a question ?
- 13:56 Gumbie i hope he does good for the country tho....
- 13:56 Lensch Answering a question with a question is a valid response in some systems.
- 13:56 gjvc not in this one
- 13:56 Lensch There are these four ways of answering questions. Which four? There are questions that should be answered categorically [straightforwardly yes, no, this, that]. There are questions that should be answered with an analytical (qualified) answer [defining or redefining the terms]. There are questions that should be answered with a counter-question...
- 13:56 Gumbie after all whats next Pence! Hope not, and I know many like him
- 13:56 gjvc TRUMP is making America great again
- 13:56 Lensch ...There are questions that should be put aside. These are the four ways of answering questions. ” - Buddha, Sutta Pittaka
- 13:57 Lensch Thank you for the conversation, gjvc.
- 13:57 Lensch Your status as an enemy of the republic is noted.
- 13:57 +++ ltCd- has taken voice from Lensch
- 13:57 Ekko You've been quieted for 72 hours (mode -v). Parting the channel will result in a 2 hour ban (mode +b).
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