Response #2 (2/3)

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>There is nothing suggesting that Mr. Green activated anything here. All we have his him moving at a burst of speed, until Mr. Red finally equalized with his speed boost. His comment (IE: saying “if u dun use it”) does nothing to prove that Mr. Green has one of these modes. Making assumptions based on character interactions in an animation made over a decade ago is not going to go well (I mean, have you seen the writing in these?)
~~Let's not start on bad writing. I'm pretty sure Jason has Mr. Green beat there too.~~

There are [entire sequences](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsUoaM1YuX4&t=0m11s) in which [both characters fight at normal speed](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff1nVfLnI0o&t=1m27s), followed by [later ones](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsUoaM1YuX4&t=0m36s) where [they fight at visibly superhuman speeds](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff1nVfLnI0o&t=1m36s). The videos go out of their way to show the difference.

>This feat is the *only* one that even remotely proves that Mr. Green has a speed mode. And it's extremely shaky, mostly because it raises some questions.
>
>Why does it take so long to charge? We’ve shown that Mr. Green is able to [enter this “speed mode” at will](https://gfycat.com/grandhonestdutchshepherddog)

Probably for the same reason why Mr. Red has to charge it up a bit [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff1nVfLnI0o&t=1m36s); because it looks cool.

I mean really though. Red can just pop his on and off too, but he's also seen charging it up every so often because...?

>Why is this the only time he’s done it? Shouldn’t he have done in the [other few times he was blitzed by Mr. Red?](https://gfycat.com/largewastefulcaecilian)
>
>**If he’s supposedly too slow to keep up with Mr. Red (and thus in tier speed), then why is he able to block each of Mr. Reds blows while he’s charging? Wouldn't that suggest he has in tier reactions, even when out of this supposed “speed mode” you're trying to argue the existence of?**

By the same token, why do he and his clones [constantly fail](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVA5BPCDras&t=3m19s) [to react](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVA5BPCDras&t=2m59s) [whenever Mr. Red](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff1nVfLnI0o&t=1m20s) [is clearly using amplified speed](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff1nVfLnI0o&t=1m13s) and they themselves are not? Why is it that the only times they've been able to consistently react to each other's sudden bursts of speed are when both of them are using said bursts at once? Why does Mr. Red have several scenes where he [sees Mr. Green and his clones in slow motion](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVA5BPCDras&t=2m52s) during his boosts?

The answer is simple; Mr. Green's best speed feats come from an identical boost, and his base speed is much lower.

> Even if this supposed “speed mode” does exist, he’s shown in the very feat you use to prove its existence to have in tier reaction time, when blocking Mr. Red’s blows with his temporary clones.

And that is contradicted by the many examples I've shown above. As I said before, consistency beats a one-off every time.

> Will he get tired eventually? Yeah sure, but it's gonna take minutes of sustained fighting, and he’s always got clones to tag in.

And *now* is the part of the post where I go back to the stamina argument and add what I said I was going to before.

Mr. Green doesn't just lose his speed when tiring out. His cloning suffers too. Shock More shows this pretty clearly; early into the fight, [he can summon up to eight clones at once](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVA5BPCDras&t=2m56s) and in rapid succession. Once he starts getting tired however, the numbers begin to dwindle until [he's stuck summoning a much smaller number](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVA5BPCDras&t=3m52s) and, eventually, [incapable of summoning more than one at a time](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVA5BPCDras&t=3m56s). At the end, he's so worn out that he can't even use his cloning to save himself from getting hit in the face with a piano, which is something he [could](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsUoaM1YuX4&t=1m54s) [have done](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1FRKCTWSPw&t=1m22s) if he were in peak condition.

Now that I've proven that the super speed is *not* something he is capable of in base, that Jason outstats in every other area (most notably piercing power vs durability), and that Mr. Green's attacks are not going to put him down fast or long enough for the massive gap in stamina not to come into play, I think it's safe to say that Mr. Green's clones are going to fall *very* quickly and that, sooner or later, Mr. Green himself is going to run out of tricks to pull.

But there's one last loose end I want to tie up...
>Jason won’t have the time to run and hide in the clock tower, before Mr. Green engages him
Uber Jason doesn't run away. That was never the point I made. Let me refer back to what you said in your opening post:
>During this time, the clones continue to fight while the real Mr. Green slips out to a safer distance

You're the one who proposed that Mr. Green would go run and hide somewhere. *My* point was that, if he chose to do so, Jason would have no trouble tracking him down and killing him before he could realize he's been found.

### Conclusions

* Uber Jason is still more than capable of surviving being blitzed, outlasting Mr. Green and his clones and then taking them down once they're tired.
* Mr. Green's speed amp is *definitely* a thing that exists, and it will not last once Mr. Green is tired out.
   * As well, there is ample evidence to suggest that Mr. Green's cloning powers will not last once his stamina is depleted.
* Half of the kill methods proposed by the opponent won't actually work, and the rest are outside of Mr. Green's means.
* Jason still outstats and possesses more than enough cutting strength to take out Mr. Green's clones in quick succession.
* If Mr. Green should hide, he will still be screwed.

## Samurai Jack VS Evil Ernie

First, to address the feat assessments.
>I could only find one air to air missile used on the Apache platform, and it's… kinda slow. At least, much slower than a gatling bullet. This is compounded by the fact that we have literally no idea how far away those missiles were fired from, ADDED onto the fact that Ernie knew they were behind him before they fired.
Knowing the Apaches were behind him doesn't actually mean anything in regards to the dodge. We see from the exact same series that [recognizing that there's a man with a rocket launcher](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/vApbEsbSM8JGpd1oQWT0IYmpZF1xum85SpIIGYd_M3ZZdZFMvZjWhT32Z01V5WmMnHy6ez4kIzfQCaAMtEjHIvG4IzBAKt3Gy4X8hdqPjr299u49QJpAfOrvK-u3zfJ39TYVNQ=s1600) [doesn't save a man who's in the cockpit of a helicopter](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/aCtc5wtpyh8vbVr8KRrl9DxLjsJse56Cj9KFLeeyIm-iq26Wn-lv-5j3qDOBY_BPhHU7-oBgHcC_kNuwSn4PuFRezPfi70yyXoK9u_bXT2X6bbeJNnD1HAgaOV59XstsDWVXMA=s1600) once that rocket is fired. You can try to discredit the feat all you want. It's still perfectly valid.

>Aimdodge
On what grounds? He is [literally in the middle of running towards the mech](https://imgur.com/L9G2dRd) when he dodges this projectile.

>Oh cmon, how long did it take to fire that thing? Ernie most definitely saw it coming
>[Seems like it takes a ton of time for him to do this, enough for many people on the inside to have full fledged conversations during it](https://imgur.com/a/tSHyxH6)

You seem to have a misconception that the amount of panels between one event and the next equates to how much time passes between them, and that talking isn't treated as a free action in comic books. If those things weren't the case, you wouldn't see moments like [this](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/IRh-VM5zpS0kvMGMy2Qd7WTo1owSLnGtQgqqftlkCWIm8JJFUifi3xQtGmgo3UMWfxNW-2GtRLJgFtcaFN_KKn_1709s_uhgxLgWnV-DfWX6lbVkEAFdOLsee_F6_mQLpdgBMg=s1600) where four different people are able to talk to each other in the time it takes Ernie to land on the ground. (And yes, you can add this to the speed feats Ernie has. I just remembered I had it, and will probably slot it into his thread later on.)

Regardless, even if he did see it coming in the fist instance, he was clearly still standing where it was going to fire, or else he wouldn't have had to jump over the projectile. I'm not keen to spend a paragraph arguing this point, but still.

>Outruns a truck? Trucks are slower than bullets, last time I checked. Although dodging gunfire is impressive, it literally does not compare to blocking every single bullet from a GATLING GUN. And what the hell is to say that Ernie can do this himself?
>[Again, what's to say that Ernie scales to his own minions? Especially this one, which is fucking huge compared to him](https://imgur.com/seR6Xoj)
The first point is irrelevant, because you haven't shown Jack running as fast as a bullet. He can react, sure, but he's not going to be able to disengage at will.

For the last point, all of Ernie's Dead Onez are weaker than him in every area due to them not possessing the Energy Arcane. We see that they [die to things that barely damage him](https://i.imgur.com/HZc5COR.jpg), are threatened by people who aren't threats to him (ex: Homicide saw those redneck soldiers to be a threat, hence why he was running), don't have the resistance to certain damages ([like electricity](https://comiconlinefree.net/dead-king/issue-1/15)) that he does, [can't break things that he can](https://comiconlinefree.net/dead-king/issue-1/23), etc. Energy Arcane gives him better everything, basically.

Ernie also replicates at least part of that above feat by [running in front of a jeep after it had already driven past him](https://i.imgur.com/S8v0TnZ.jpg), so...

I think what I'm trying to argue here is that Ernie's speed is within tier enough that he can at least keep up with Jack. Given that he has plenty of other advantages, he doesn't need to match Jack's speed perfectly in order to win.