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  1. A few lines at the start are missing but it was mostly "Why are you spamming /jp/?"
  2. 01:01:17 <Meido> "If that's your goal, then why do you make it harder for everyone? What is the torrent of spam hoping to achieve?"
  3. 01:03:00 <sion`> well first of all im not all the spam on /jp/ youll have to ask the satenfags and such about that
  4. 01:04:25 <sion`> second i cant moderate /jp/ by deleting so i can only hope i can make people see how dumb they are when they make shitty threads
  5. 01:08:29 <Meido> you're not supposed to moderate. There's a chain of how this goes. Anonymous reports, janitors deletes and passes information to mod, mods ban, anonymous evades
  6. 01:08:39 <Meido> Just report and move on instead
  7. 01:09:37 <sion`> how many times do you think ive tried to report unrelated jp threads and nothing ever happens?
  8. 01:10:46 I think you could work something out if you infiltrated friendcircle but then again that would require friendcircle
  9. 01:11:05 <sion`> is this you or meido
  10. 01:11:12 That was me
  11. 01:11:20 friendcircle is pretty high on the hitlist
  12. 01:11:25 <Meido> Also, if it is not Saten that the friend circle spams, then what is the extent of your spam work?
  13. 01:11:36 <sion`> i have nothing to do with friendcircle i never have
  14. 01:12:16 Yeah, I know. But you're probably the only person they could accept without suspicion
  15. 01:12:26 <Meido> Please understand that we're overworked and a few people. We can't stay 24/7 and there are periods of time when we just can't deal with all the reports.
  16. 01:12:41 <sion`> while i thought it mightve been a funny idea for something like that to happen i knew it was better to not get involved with those retards
  17. 01:12:42 ^He's talking 3000+ report queues, this shit gets ridiculous
  18. 01:13:47 <sion`> the main issue with your moderation is no consistency
  19. 01:13:51 You haven't fully answered "then what is the extent of your spam work?" by the way
  20. 01:14:32 <sion`> random anime screencaps every few hours usually of girl of the season
  21. 01:17:07 <Meido> the point of that spam being? And please explain in detail what you consider as lack of consistency.
  22. 01:18:17 <sion`> the lack of consistency is why /v/ threads are allowed and threads with tons of rule breaking content like rika threads are prefectly fine
  23. 01:19:45 Do other people do girl of the season spam?
  24. 01:20:04 <sion`> i dont work with anyone else
  25. 01:20:57 Yeah I know that, I'm just asking if all the girl of the season stuff is yours or if someone else does it, maybe to troll you or make people mad at you or whatever
  26. 01:21:10 <sion`> i dont know
  27. 01:21:22 Ok
  28. 01:23:29 <Meido> We run on an ever increasing list of policies that apply for most boards. At the top sits "Let them have their fun as long as it's not spammed". That's the reason Cornelia threads were allowed until a breaking point, and why Rika and idols get a free pass due to being contained. /v/ threads get ignored as long as they have long proper discussion or it relates to the board enough.
  29. 01:23:44 <Meido> That's the reason you see a Recettear thread. Besides being a doujin game from C76
  30. 01:25:22 <sion`> so basically anyone can claim anything is /jp/ related and that makes it ok
  31. 01:26:04 <sion`> and you are also saying that rule breaking material is ok as its "contained"
  32. 01:26:13 That does seem to be the case as long as enough people claim it is, isn't it
  33. 01:26:53 <sion`> that just means anyone can get a small circlejerk group or samefag
  34. 01:29:36 <Meido> Nope. In fact much of it gets deleted just for that reason, saying "/jp/ related because of blank" is a trigger for a quick deletion.
  35. 01:31:01 <Meido> Not exactly rule breaking, there's a slight line they have to cross for it to become that. And besides those two examples, that I can't touch due to becoming board culture by now, what else demonstrates lack of consistency?
  36. 01:33:32 I brought to him the issue that with rules like that, anyone could force something into board culture status
  37. 01:34:34 <sion`> better example would be that since so many people are posting saten its now board culture and should be allowed
  38. 01:34:41 His reply that before he got meido status, it was that way, and that's how idols and Rika got their place and he can't do shit about it. Now that he meidos he fights Saten every day
  39. 01:36:02 <sion`> so why doesnt he fix the problems of his predacessor instead of ignoring it. ar tonelicofags were there on his watch im pretty sure
  40. 01:36:33 <sion`> also every ar tonelicofag will state ITS /JP/ RELATED BECAUSE when confronted
  41. 01:37:11 <sion`> and just because something is board culture doesnt mean its right
  42. 01:37:29 I don't know if you remember this
  43. 01:37:41 But at some point an idolfaggotry thread got deleted, a long time ago
  44. 01:37:49 And idolfags started spamming like motherfuckers
  45. 01:37:55 That's probably where the previous meido lost
  46. 01:38:13 <sion`> im not even thinking of idolsfags actually
  47. 01:38:19 <sion`> just rikafags and artonelicofags
  48. 01:39:19 <sion`> tell him that its also cool that theres 2 frontpage threads with non-worksafe OP images for a while now
  49. 01:39:48 Well he's kind of paying attention to you right now
  50. 01:40:17 <sion`> theyve been there before we ever started talking
  51. 01:40:28 He had also been away for a while before that
  52. 01:40:42 I haven't relayed that yet, are you sure you want me to?
  53. 01:40:53 <sion`> yes obviously
  54. 01:41:24 <Meido> I will admit that I don't check AT threads closely. I just knew it got spammed and metathreads and that gets higher on my rules than /jp/ anonymous having discussion. Remember that Let Them Have Their Fun is made of iron. We're supposed to guarantee a spam free environment while allowing freedom. It's what 4chan is about
  55. 01:42:19 <sion`> so i guess ill go make a saten general thread because its board culture now and we can have our fun
  56. 01:42:43 No, point is, it's not board culture
  57. 01:42:58 <sion`> but with enough people i can claim it is
  58. 01:43:17 With friendcircle you can claim it is, and the rest of the board has to accept it
  59. 01:43:29 <sion`> this is the actual issue at heart
  60. 01:43:51 <sion`> in reality its "let them have their fun" but only the fun i want
  61. 01:44:15 <sion`> you can just pick and choose whats "board culture" with no real basis
  62. 01:44:22 He doesn't want Rika and idols, but the rest of the board accepted them
  63. 01:45:04 <sion`> pretty sure alot of people dont like them but now just dont bother anymore
  64. 01:45:55 Yeah, that's more or less what acceptance is
  65. 01:46:14 <sion`> its not really acceptence
  66. 01:46:22 Still waiting on his reply for previous stuff by the way, this is just me talking
  67. 01:46:43 <sion`> more like no ones doing anything about it and nothings changing
  68. 01:46:53 <sion`> i give up on trying to do something about it
  69. 01:48:43 <Meido> There's a specific trigger for claiming board culture status, and that is high interest from multiple parties in a short time. The kind of thing that can't be achieved through sock puppetry or spam. That's why I didn't even doubt about leaving Cornelia-tan threads be at first. That's why Saten, or Strike Witches, or Bawson will ever be related to the board. It's not at random,
  70. 01:48:50 <Meido> we think of what would be best for the board and act on it, while trying to not be nazis about it.
  71. 01:49:09 To be honest there's not much that can really be done before moot gives mod
  72. 01:50:05 <Meido> For the record, Let Them Have Their Fun stops me for a lot of things I would delete on sight. It's not that I particularly like some things and decide upon my preferences.
  73. 01:53:51 <Meido> So, summing up, your issue is that AT and Rika threads are allowed, a fact that I can't do anything about at this point and barely qualify as a problem. That anything could be allowed eventually, even though that's not true seeing that forcing anything is not only hated by the community, but deleted on sight/when I'm around.
  74. 01:56:06 <sion`> so if i made a valkryia chronicles thread right now you would have to allow it because it has high interest since 2 came out and you should let us have our fun
  75. 01:56:33 If enough people discussed it, then following his logic, he would
  76. 01:56:35 But let me ask him
  77. 01:56:50 <sion`> they get deleted all the time regardless of whats going on btw
  78. 01:57:07 <sion`> even when like vc2 release threads were going on
  79. 01:58:10 <sion`> i also claim that at and rika threads do not have high interest because they are just samefagged and bumped for days with nothing happening for days at a time
  80. 01:59:41 <Meido> Once again, can't do shit about that. I even started a motion to get them banished but it didn't pass.
  81. 02:00:19 <sion`> he ignored my vc example
  82. 02:00:21 Currently pushing him on the VC2 issue
  83. 02:00:33 Calm down, I'm not letting him get away so easily
  84. 02:01:00 <Meido> As for VC, it would depend. I had to let one go on VC2 launch, but then it started to get spammed and "janitor is deleting us" and if there's one thing that overrules the LTHTF policy is Global Rule 8
  85. 02:01:07 Do I need to dig up rule 8 for you
  86. 02:01:18 <Meido> Also, as long as it wasn't focused on the anime.
  87. 02:02:47 <Meido> Yes, Valkyria Chronicles does get a sliver of time in the board due to VC2 launch and high relation to the board. A couple weeks down the line and the whole "posting here because /v/ sucks" wouldn't be enough to fly
  88. 02:03:32 Global Rule #8: Complaining about 4chan (its policies, moderation, etc.) on the imageboards can result in post deletion and banishment. The administrator will address your questions, comments, complaints, and concerns via e-mail.
  89. 02:04:29 <sion`> the vc2 thread was prefectly fine until it was deleted randomly then some people tried to remake it
  90. 02:05:03 <sion`> artonelicofags justify thier existence "because /v/ sucks"
  91. 02:05:46 <sion`> no vc thread has ever been about the anime so what other false reasons do you want to come up with
  92. 02:08:42 <sion`> you claim things arent related for reason x and when reason x is applied to something else you claim BOARD CULTURE CANT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT
  93. 02:10:08 <Meido> That VC2 thread was deleted on a report run done by a fellow janitor. We get that sometimes, a thread has a shitton of reports, you don't know the board culture well so you act on majority rule and not looking like report button was spammed.
  94. 02:10:15 <Meido> I was fine with leaving it be.
  95. 02:10:55 <Meido> But then it had to become a "mod sucks, why why why" which won't be allowed no matter what.
  96. 02:13:40 <sion`> justify why any other vc thread before or after that day is deleted
  97. 02:13:55 <sion`> and you still never answered my initial example
  98. 02:14:51 What was the initial example?
  99. 02:14:59 The first VC thread that was fine?
  100. 02:15:05 <sion`> so if i made a valkryia chronicles thread right now you would have to allow it because it has high interest since 2 came out and you should let us have our fun
  101. 02:15:13 Oh
  102. 02:17:49 <Meido> Yes, it would be due to the closeness of the launch date, but it would depend on the interest shown. Samefagging and bumping every few hours with no discussion? Deleted.
  103. 02:19:36 <sion`> funny how there are some other threads that have samefagging, bumping and no discussion that are perfectly fine
  104. 02:19:51 <Meido> Before and after? Just your track record. We pretty much delete on sight anything with an inkling of having anything to do with you or the friend circle.
  105. 02:21:00 <Meido> Remember I mentioned overworked? Yeah, it's no fun to lose 5 pages everyday. We start to develop a kind of grudge and down it goes. Both shitposting and anything slightly related
  106. 02:21:13 <sion`> so basically you police like 5 people on /jp/ and ignore everyone else
  107. 02:22:58 <sion`> and you also admit that you use personal grudges instead of rules when moderating
  108. 02:25:17 <Meido> More like a couple dozen. No, we don't ignore it unless it's a busy day, or it hasn't actually been reported (happens a lot, we can't just refresh /jp/ all day waiting for something). And it just makes sense to focus on what you know is going to be problem and be done with it.
  109. 02:25:56 <Meido> Not personal grudges, think of it as tracking. You know they spam your board every single day, you delete them on sight. It's not even personal, I just stick to my rules to the bitter end.
  110. 02:26:53 <Meido> You think we care? There's no time to get into personal wars when you see the same things every day all over 4chan. It's a wonder I'm still as invested as I am now, I could very well take it easy like most of the staff and let the board rot.
  111. 02:27:04 <Meido> But I don't, because I still want to see /jp/ clean
  112. 02:28:01 <Meido> Shitpost? Get deleted. Shitposted enough to gain attention for a number of weeks? Get deleted on sight, no matter what you post.
  113. 02:28:26 <Meido> Plus banned if you have passed the line
  114. 02:29:22 <sion`> then my suggestion is to actually start moderating with the rules instead of picking and choosing based on some artbitrary status
  115. 02:31:38 <sion`> http://boards.4chan.org/jp/res/6085086 tons of dicussion here since monday
  116. 02:35:04 <Meido> Translation Collaboration. A movement to actually try to do something and get a game translated. We're meant to protect instead of stiffle creativity and drive to do projects. Otherwise I could very well delete OC threads for being nothing but 'bump' for hours from a small base.
  117. 02:35:42 <Meido> This isn't easy. You have to interpret the rules and act on them as it would benefit the board the most
  118. 02:40:20 <Meido> I think we can call this audience over
  119. 02:41:22 <Meido> Hope you get the idea that we're not unfair, we're subjected to a set of rules beyond the public ones, and we try to stick to them as close as possible and for the most time that sleep pattern and real life allows us.
  120. 02:42:15 <sion`> so im just assured that moderation will forever be inconsistent and /jp/ will continue to kill itself
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