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Kingdom Hearts Wiki Roundtable - February 6, 2015

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  1. [12:39] <FifteenthMember> Err, should we just start on Riku's navbar then?
  2. [12:39] <Pea14733> Yeah
  3. [12:40] <Pea14733> So let's start
  4. [12:40] <Chainoffire> sounds good
  5. [12:40] <Chainoffire> So!
  6. [12:40] <Pea14733> My Accessory Navi Bar. Rikuwayfinder_zpstuy2a5ld.png RikutheBloody 22:50, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
  7. [12:40] <Chainoffire> where is this navbar?
  8. [12:40] <Pea14733> Yeah
  9. [12:40] <FifteenthMember> Oh
  10. [12:41] <FifteenthMember> yeah, riku, argue your case~
  11. [12:41] <FifteenthMember> this is ye time
  12. [12:41] <Pea14733> ...
  13. [12:41] <Pea14733> I even pinged him with that paste...
  14. [12:42] <+neumannz> and keep it clean
  15. [12:42] <Chainoffire> It'd be great to use specificity when posting things on the RT page..
  16. [12:42] * Xion4ever (938508c7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.133.8.199) has joined #KHWiki-noticeboard
  17. [12:42] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Xion4ever
  18. [12:43] <Chainoffire> I see nothing in his userspace
  19. [12:43] <+neumannz> wow, perfect timing
  20. [12:43] <+Xion4ever> Sorry I'm late. I just got off work.
  21. [12:43] <Chainoffire> So I have no idea what he's talking about
  22. [12:43] <Chainoffire> Xion: No probs, we just started
  23. [12:43] <Draaek> hey didnt we skip his previous point of revamping the walkthroughs?
  24. [12:43] <+Xion4ever> I don't know how long I'll be on. I'm meeting a friend for a study session in a moment.
  25. [12:44] <+neumannz> http://www.khwiki.com/User:Master_Riku_the_Bloody/Accessories
  26. [12:44] <Chainoffire> that's okay
  27. [12:44] <+Xion4ever> So, what are we on?
  28. [12:44] <Chainoffire> RtB's navbar
  29. [12:44] <+neumannz> (and for comparison, http://www.khwiki.com/User:Xion4ever/Atelier/Archive#Template:Accessories)
  30. [12:44] <+Xion4ever> Oh wow. That's old.
  31. [12:44] <+neumannz> ah, the memories
  32. [12:44] <RikutheBloody> Alright
  33. [12:44] <Chainoffire> is Xion's the one we use in the mainspace?
  34. [12:45] <+Xion4ever> We don't have an accessory or ability navbar.
  35. [12:45] <+neumannz> we currently don't use any
  36. [12:45] <Chainoffire> ahh
  37. [12:45] <Pea14733> I think we should kind of separate them with "types" as well
  38. [12:45] <+neumannz> what does that mean
  39. [12:45] <Pea14733> Like, Rings together, Bangles, etc.
  40. [12:45] <Chainoffire> do 'splain Pea.
  41. [12:45] <+Xion4ever> Growth, support?
  42. [12:45] <+Xion4ever> Oh
  43. [12:46] <Chainoffire> Like have a seperate Navbar for each?
  44. [12:46] <RikutheBloody> I picked games
  45. [12:46] <RikutheBloody> because Keyblades
  46. [12:46] <Pea14733> I mean, we do games THEN add another level for types
  47. [12:46] <+neumannz> he means by "design" so to speak
  48. [12:46] <Pea14733> Yeah
  49. [12:46] <+neumannz> that would be fairly arbitrary
  50. [12:46] <RikutheBloody> ^
  51. [12:46] <Chainoffire> so "design" as a subsection?
  52. [12:48] <+neumannz> the original problem was that with so many accessories, with no reasonable way to divvy them up into groups (besides games), it's basically redundant to using categories
  53. [12:48] <RikutheBloody> Yes,
  54. [12:48] <RikutheBloody> but the navi bar has ALL the accessories.
  55. [12:48] <Pea14733> I don't know. I just feel like it's still too many even after we divide them by games
  56. [12:49] <RikutheBloody> It's just like the keyblades.
  57. [12:49] <+neumannz> keyblades can at least be separated by game AND wielder
  58. [12:49] <Pea14733> LIke, we don't even have to have a design name. We can just group them in one line or something
  59. [12:49] <+neumannz> brb
  60. [12:50] <RikutheBloody> One line?
  61. [12:50] <Chainoffire> But what would things that don't have a design be put under?
  62. [12:50] <RikutheBloody> Elaborate.
  63. [12:50] <Pea14733> For example on KH2
  64. [12:51] <Pea14733> Ability Ring - Aquamarine Ring - Cosmic Ring - Diamond Ring - Draw Ring - Engineer's Ring - Expert's Ring - Garnet Ring - Gold Ring - Lucky Ring - Master's Ring - Mythril Ring
  65. [12:51] <Pea14733> These together
  66. [12:51] <Pea14733> Then we start another line
  67. [12:52] <Chainoffire> Not everything has something to go with though
  68. [12:52] <Chainoffire> ie "Brave Warrior" "Ability Stud"
  69. [12:52] <Chainoffire> and there's no physical description of them
  70. [12:52] <+Xion4ever> We still talking about the nav bar?
  71. [12:52] <RikutheBloody> I get what you're saying Pea.
  72. [12:52] <Chainoffire> yeah
  73. [12:53] * Troisnyx (5184b83c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.132.184.60) has joined #KHWiki-noticeboard
  74. [12:53] <Pea14733> Yeah and Days and Re:coded just have only one kind of them anyway
  75. [12:53] <Troisnyx> Pardon my late arrival.
  76. [12:53] <Pea14733> Hi TNE
  77. [12:53] <Troisnyx> I'll catch up on the minutes of this thing at a later point.
  78. [12:53] <RikutheBloody> Okay.
  79. [12:53] <Troisnyx> Cheers ^_^
  80. [12:53] <+Xion4ever> Let me find the discussion of when I created the first accessory nav bar idea.
  81. [12:54] <+Xion4ever> Brb
  82. [12:55] * Troisnyx is now known as TNE|AFK
  83. [12:57] <Pea14733> We just have WAY too many accessories in a game XD
  84. [12:58] <RikutheBloody> Well.
  85. [12:58] <RikutheBloody> The keyblades are sorted by game.
  86. [12:58] <Pea14733> I know that the y Keyblades are sorted by games ._.
  87. [12:58] <Pea14733> I'm not telling you to change that for accessories either
  88. [12:59] <+Xion4ever> Accessories aren't necessarily important enough to merit a navbar.
  89. [12:59] <RikutheBloody> I know but the categories for them are scattered.
  90. [13:00] <+neumannz> what do you mean, scattered
  91. [13:00] <+neumannz> (also, back)
  92. [13:00] <RikutheBloody> Like for each game.
  93. [13:00] <RikutheBloody> AThere is a category for each game idividually.
  94. [13:00] <RikutheBloody> (Neumannz noticed me. :D)
  95. [13:01] <RikutheBloody> For example.
  96. [13:01] <RikutheBloody> KH accessories
  97. [13:01] <RikutheBloody> and KHII accessories
  98. [13:01] <+neumannz> i notice EVERYBODY O_O
  99. [13:01] <RikutheBloody> The navibar has all of them.
  100. [13:01] <RikutheBloody> I wasn't sure if you noticed me.
  101. [13:02] <+neumannz> well, it would be nice if we had a list somewhere
  102. [13:02] <+neumannz> i'm just not sure if it needs to be a navbar
  103. [13:03] <+Xion4ever> ^
  104. [13:03] <Chainoffire> Maybe a "List of Accessories" page?
  105. [13:03] <Pea14733> ^
  106. [13:03] <+Xion4ever> That would be a big 'ol page.
  107. [13:03] <Chainoffire> *cough* (Keyhole has one of those) *cough*
  108. [13:04] <+Xion4ever> Which ultimately leads to a discussion a month later on "Should there be Kingdom Hearts II (accessories), Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days (accessories)" and etc.
  109. [13:04] <Chainoffire> http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Accessories_(Kingdom_Hearts)
  110. [13:04] <RikutheBloody> Keyhole has a list of everything. :D
  111. [13:04] <Pea14733> >.>
  112. [13:04] <+Xion4ever> Then you get the old point of "We have categories."
  113. [13:04] <+neumannz> hang on
  114. [13:04] <Pea14733> I'm not sure if that's a compliment >.>
  115. [13:05] <+neumannz> well, the Gear Matrix has basically that
  116. [13:05] <+neumannz> *a list
  117. [13:05] <Pea14733> Yeah...
  118. [13:06] <RikutheBloody> Gear Matrix is just accessories.
  119. [13:06] <+neumannz> if it
  120. [13:06] <Pea14733> And Keyblades
  121. [13:07] <+neumannz> if it's felt that even a List of page is redundant to categories, then we can just link the Accessory page to those categories
  122. [13:07] <+neumannz> (also finish commands)
  123. [13:07] <Chainoffire> Categories are harder to navigate though
  124. [13:07] <Chainoffire> especially for non-wiki users
  125. [13:08] <+neumannz> even if they're linked directly there?
  126. [13:09] <RikutheBloody> It's in ABC order.
  127. [13:09] <+neumannz> oh, the horror?
  128. [13:09] <+neumannz> is that a significant problem?
  129. [13:09] <RikutheBloody> Not a big one.
  130. [13:10] <RikutheBloody> A navi bar is just easy.
  131. [13:10] <RikutheBloody> I used to come to this wiki when I was younger
  132. [13:10] <RikutheBloody> and I HATED categories.
  133. [13:11] <+Xion4ever> My main thing with navboxes, especially for this "extra"/"side" stuff, is that they're generally sloppy. At least to me.
  134. [13:11] <+Xion4ever> Maybe sloppy isn't the correct term. Visually unappealing?
  135. [13:11] <+neumannz> they certainly start to feel that way after they reach a certain size
  136. [13:12] <+Xion4ever> The school's wifi sucks so I'm having a hard time finding the discussion I had with Kryten on this back when I first created/had the idea.
  137. [13:12] <Chainoffire> have a different nav by game?
  138. [13:12] <+Xion4ever> Game navbars actually have a reason to not only exist, but to be long.
  139. [13:12] <Chainoffire> Accessories (Kingdom Hearts)
  140. [13:12] <+Xion4ever> Accessories? Eh.... Abilities? Eh....
  141. [13:13] <RikutheBloody> Abilities.
  142. [13:13] <RikutheBloody> Navbar
  143. [13:13] <RikutheBloody> Great Idea.
  144. [13:13] <+Xion4ever> >_<
  145. [13:13] <Chainoffire> I don't think Abilities need a Navi.
  146. [13:13] <Pea14733> Well we have list of abilities so we won't need that
  147. [13:13] <+neumannz> ^
  148. [13:13] <RikutheBloody> Just kiddin
  149. [13:13] <RikutheBloody> That would be stupid
  150. [13:14] <+Xion4ever> If I had to choose between a navbar and a "List of accessories" page, I'd choose the latter.
  151. [13:14] <RikutheBloody> I'd choose the Navibar
  152. [13:14] <+Xion4ever> Mainly because I find the navbar "ugly." #straightup
  153. [13:15] <Pea14733> Navbar with too many items XD
  154. [13:15] <RikutheBloody> How are they ugly?
  155. [13:15] <+Xion4ever> http://www.khwiki.com/User:Xion4ever/Atelier/Archive#Template:Accessories (Ignore the [bad] color scheme on my part).
  156. [13:15] <+Xion4ever> See how long that is?
  157. [13:15] <+Xion4ever> That doesn't even begin to cover all of the games.
  158. [13:15] <Chainoffire> Would there be an issue with having Multiple Navis?
  159. [13:16] <Pea14733> Similar to how a cluttered table and a clean table look
  160. [13:16] <+Xion4ever> That navbox would be huge and a big eyesore.
  161. [13:16] <RikutheBloody> woooooow
  162. [13:16] <RikutheBloody> Xion
  163. [13:16] <RikutheBloody> great minds think alike
  164. [13:16] <RikutheBloody> Just pick a different coor.
  165. [13:16] <RikutheBloody> *color
  166. [13:16] <+Xion4ever> Damn it. You're missing my point.
  167. [13:17] <+Xion4ever> I had the idea back in 2010, not even a year after I joined.
  168. [13:17] <Pea14733> Can we alter the category system?
  169. [13:17] <Chainoffire> Is it physically possible to?
  170. [13:17] <+Xion4ever> What do you mean by "alter?"
  171. [13:17] <Pea14733> I don't know. I mean, you guys keep saying "Categories suck" or something
  172. [13:18] <+neumannz> only rikuTB is saying that, i think
  173. [13:18] <Pea14733> oh...
  174. [13:18] <FifteenthMember> I think we need a list of accessories page
  175. [13:18] <FifteenthMember> http://www.khwiki.com/Accessory
  176. [13:18] <FifteenthMember> or merged in here
  177. [13:18] <RikutheBloody> Just Riku is fine, Nezzy
  178. [13:18] <FifteenthMember> If we won't have a navbar on every page
  179. [13:18] <FifteenthMember> and the category is too sloppy
  180. [13:19] <FifteenthMember> a complete list somewhere would suffice, no?
  181. [13:19] <Chainoffire> aye
  182. [13:19] * TNE|AFK is now known as Troisnyx
  183. [13:19] <RikutheBloody> I don't see the thing wrong with the Navibar
  184. [13:20] <Chainoffire> too large.
  185. [13:20] <Pea14733> Cluttered
  186. [13:20] <+Xion4ever> With that many "things" we'd be better off using a "list of...." page.
  187. [13:21] <+Xion4ever> I honestly don't believe everything deserves a navbar either, in retrospect.
  188. [13:21] <Chainoffire> aye
  189. [13:21] * RikutheBloody is beat by numbers
  190. [13:21] <Troisnyx> So, let me get this straight. Navbars where there are fewer things, but otherwise, list?
  191. [13:21] <Pea14733> Yeah
  192. [13:21] <Troisnyx> Would we have to put lists in a page or in a navbar though...
  193. [13:21] * Draaek (c9a3e436@gateway/web/freenode/ip.201.163.228.54) Quit (Quit: Page closed)
  194. [13:22] * KSM|AFK is now known as KeybladeSpyMaste
  195. [13:22] <Chainoffire> we'd do it on a page
  196. [13:22] <Troisnyx> I see.
  197. [13:22] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Hey guys, what'd I miss
  198. [13:22] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> ?
  199. [13:22] <+neumannz> i'm okay with that
  200. [13:22] <RikutheBloody> Nothing much, KSM.
  201. [13:23] <RikutheBloody> Are we moving on?
  202. [13:23] <Troisnyx> Okay, I've been meaning to ask summat.
  203. [13:23] <Troisnyx> About the Unused Images.
  204. [13:23] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok, cool
  205. [13:23] <Troisnyx> Normally if we know they're unused, we'd go delete them (I can't now, but that's beside the point; I'm not fussed) -- but at least some of them (the gifs, for instance) appear usable.
  206. [13:23] <+neumannz> ooh, one of our favorite things ._.
  207. [13:23] <+neumannz> yeah
  208. [13:24] <Troisnyx> Should we try find a place for them?
  209. [13:24] <+Xion4ever> There is actually a forum on that, TNE.
  210. [13:24] <FifteenthMember> yeah
  211. [13:24] <Troisnyx> Oh? (I really missed a lot >_>)
  212. [13:24] <FifteenthMember> that coincides with the redirect abilities
  213. [13:24] <FifteenthMember> *redirected
  214. [13:24] <Troisnyx> Please link me to that.
  215. [13:24] <+Xion4ever> http://www.khwiki.com/Forum:Unused_Files
  216. [13:24] <Troisnyx> Cheers. ^_^
  217. [13:24] <FifteenthMember> Because the gifs are unused because we haven't created pages for each ability yet
  218. [13:24] <Troisnyx> I know, I'm aware of that.
  219. [13:24] <+Xion4ever> Nothing was every really decided. The discussion kind of died away.
  220. [13:25] <FifteenthMember> I am in the process of making those pages, and I'm adding the gifs for them as I go along
  221. [13:25] <Troisnyx> Valor Form has a combo which could be put in the Valor Form page, for instance, but we struggle to put it in without cluttering it up.
  222. [13:25] <FifteenthMember> If I miss some, add them
  223. [13:25] <FifteenthMember> gallery?
  224. [13:25] <Troisnyx> Which is why it's in Unused now.
  225. [13:25] <Troisnyx> Possibly? If there are enough images to warrant a Suite.
  226. [13:25] <Chainoffire> Do we intend to make a page for every abililty?
  227. [13:25] <Troisnyx> Some will coincide, so redirects, but.... ideally, yes.
  228. [13:25] <Troisnyx> I think anyway.
  229. [13:26] <+neumannz> more or less, yeah
  230. [13:26] <+neumannz> even the Dream Eater abilties, i believe
  231. [13:27] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
  232. [13:27] <FifteenthMember> we also need to sort out reaction commands
  233. [13:27] <FifteenthMember> Because that page is a mess
  234. [13:27] <+neumannz> AGREED
  235. [13:27] <+neumannz> ALL OF THE THIS
  236. [13:27] <Chainoffire> aye
  237. [13:28] <Troisnyx> Aye.
  238. [13:28] <RikutheBloody> Where is ENX?
  239. [13:28] <+neumannz> ARRR
  240. [13:28] <Chainoffire> but do we really need a page for EVERY reaction command?
  241. [13:28] <+neumannz> no
  242. [13:28] <+neumannz> but a comprehensive table would be nice
  243. [13:28] <Troisnyx> I'm looking for TheSilentHero, because I need his help with some Userboxes decluttering.
  244. [13:28] <FifteenthMember> Yes
  245. [13:28] <Troisnyx> But that's beside the point.
  246. [13:29] <FifteenthMember> should reaction commands link to the table
  247. [13:29] <FifteenthMember> or the enemy article?
  248. [13:29] <FifteenthMember> they're an integral part of the enemy, so it could be covered there
  249. [13:29] <FifteenthMember> That goes for the battle commands anyway
  250. [13:29] <FifteenthMember> But then again, not every battle command is triggered by an enemy so maybe not
  251. [13:29] <Chainoffire> I thought that they were already covered in the enemy articles?
  252. [13:30] <+neumannz> "covered"-ish
  253. [13:30] <Chainoffire> maybe have a "reaction command" section?
  254. [13:30] <FifteenthMember> yeah
  255. [13:31] <FifteenthMember> Probably a sub-section under Strategy/Attacks
  256. [13:31] <FifteenthMember> Or, just a table
  257. [13:31] <FifteenthMember> as NZ said
  258. [13:33] <+neumannz> or both
  259. [13:33] <Chainoffire> What would go into the table? "Enemy|RC|Des|"?
  260. [13:34] <FifteenthMember> RC | Desc | "Triggered"
  261. [13:35] <+neumannz> ^
  262. [13:35] <Chainoffire> .gif | RC | Desc | Trig ?
  263. [13:35] <FifteenthMember> We can't fit gifs in tables
  264. [13:35] <Chainoffire> :/
  265. [13:36] <Chainoffire> Then yours works
  266. [13:36] <FifteenthMember> Okay
  267. [13:36] <FifteenthMember> We kinda went off topic
  268. [13:36] <FifteenthMember> Let's go back to the agenda?
  269. [13:37] <FifteenthMember> Walkthroughs?
  270. [13:37] <Troisnyx> Walkthroughs....
  271. [13:37] <Chainoffire> well it needed to be covered so I think it's cool :3
  272. [13:37] <Troisnyx> I was meaning to ask about these too.
  273. [13:37] <Chainoffire> Oh yes, that one project that I haven't touched in 2 years...
  274. [13:37] <FifteenthMember> well
  275. [13:37] <FifteenthMember> I did that recoded walkthrough
  276. [13:37] <FifteenthMember> the one that killed me
  277. [13:38] <Troisnyx> How are we going to have them go? I mean, years ago I did my Re:Chain of Memories walkthrough but abandoned it because I couldn't get past Riku's fecking story, but I imagine that's not how we'll do it now.
  278. [13:38] <FifteenthMember> and is still 5% left
  279. [13:39] <Chainoffire> I'd be willing to do video walkthroughts
  280. [13:39] <Chainoffire> But not written..
  281. [13:40] <Chainoffire> I digress. What's the agenda topic about it?
  282. [13:40] <Pea14733> Try to revamp the Walkthroughs. Idea came from UxieLover. Rikuwayfinder_zpstuy2a5ld.png RikutheBloody 16:25, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
  283. [13:42] <Chainoffire> Is there anyone willing to do walkthroughs?
  284. [13:42] <FifteenthMember> CoF, is the LP not like our video walkthrough?
  285. [13:42] <Troisnyx> I am willing to, but I'm not sure HOW to set it up.
  286. [13:42] <FifteenthMember> TNE
  287. [13:43] <Chainoffire> 15M: No, that's commentary over gameplay
  288. [13:43] <Troisnyx> A Let's Play would be like a video walkthrough, but there may need to be different takes on a game.
  289. [13:43] <FifteenthMember> http://www.khwiki.com/Walkthrough:Kingdom_Hearts_Re:coded
  290. [13:43] <FifteenthMember> This is what the KH Recoded walkthrough is like
  291. [13:43] <FifteenthMember> the one I wrote
  292. [13:43] <Troisnyx> Cheers, thanks for linking it to me.
  293. [13:43] <FifteenthMember> it still needs proof reading and checking
  294. [13:43] <Troisnyx> Now:
  295. [13:43] <FifteenthMember> and the side stuff and trophies and avatar sector hasn't been done yet
  296. [13:43] <Troisnyx> I am willing to do a walkthrough for Birth by Sleep, since I am playing it at the mo', BUT:
  297. [13:44] <Troisnyx> Games like these need several takes from several people, and strategies will differ.
  298. [13:44] <Troisnyx> So I've no idea how to give a balanced view on these.
  299. [13:44] <FifteenthMember> CoF: The LP is commentated but even still, for all intensive purposes it kinda is our video walkthrough
  300. [13:44] <FifteenthMember> especially since you guys often discuss gameplay/strategy/mechanic stuff so it's pretty informative
  301. [13:44] <FifteenthMember> so we don't really need a video walkthrough
  302. [13:45] <FifteenthMember> TNE, I think a different page for each character
  303. [13:45] <Troisnyx> At the same time, what I'm trying to say is this:
  304. [13:45] <FifteenthMember> The pages are already made
  305. [13:45] <FifteenthMember> http://www.khwiki.com/Walkthrough:Kingdom_Hearts_Birth_by_Sleep
  306. [13:45] <Troisnyx> How I defeat the Iron Imprisoner as Terra will differ from how someone defeats the Iron Imprisoner as Terra.
  307. [13:45] <FifteenthMember> ?
  308. [13:46] <Chainoffire> Yeah but I'm saying that a "non-commentated" video walkthrough could be used in the walkthrough namespace
  309. [13:46] <FifteenthMember> you mean as Ventus or Aqua?
  310. [13:46] <Troisnyx> No, as Terra.
  311. [13:46] <FifteenthMember> CoF: Oh yeah, if we can get it
  312. [13:46] <Troisnyx> Our techniques and recommendations would be different.
  313. [13:46] <FifteenthMember> Oh
  314. [13:46] <FifteenthMember> we could have multiple strategies, no problem
  315. [13:46] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> FM, she's basically saying that she might use, for example, heavy attacks using Terra, while I might use full out blizzard-related attacks
  316. [13:46] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> 'Cept you got the point
  317. [13:46] <FifteenthMember> "One strategy is...
  318. [13:46] <Troisnyx> Eh. :)
  319. [13:46] <FifteenthMember> Another method is...
  320. [13:46] <FifteenthMember> An alternative...
  321. [13:47] <FifteenthMember> etc.
  322. [13:47] <Troisnyx> Trouble is, we don't want to clutter up the page with strategy after strategy.
  323. [13:47] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> (Man, I'm always late....)
  324. [13:47] <Chainoffire> aye
  325. [13:47] <Troisnyx> We'd like to have it as neat as possible.
  326. [13:47] <FifteenthMember> hmm, I don't think it'd be too big a problem
  327. [13:47] <Troisnyx> If we can keep the neatness and display the different alternatives, fine.
  328. [13:47] <FifteenthMember> Also, we're probably not going to have that many alternative strategies anyway
  329. [13:47] <Troisnyx> No. But some are going to have at least three or four.
  330. [13:47] * Chainoffire is now known as Chain|RR
  331. [13:48] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I think we should not worry about alternative strategies and simply supply the best/easiest/most well-known strategy. It's what we do for the articles in Game:-space, no?
  332. [13:48] <Troisnyx> Or, even the enemy articles.
  333. [13:48] <Troisnyx> Trouble is, even THOSE are cluttered. D:
  334. [13:48] <FifteenthMember> Not really
  335. [13:49] <FifteenthMember> I remember when I was stuck on the Vanitas Sentiment
  336. [13:49] <Troisnyx> Some of them are.
  337. [13:49] <FifteenthMember> the game: page had multiple strategies
  338. [13:49] <Troisnyx> Iron Imprisoner, for instance.
  339. [13:49] <FifteenthMember> and I found it pretty informative and comprehensive still
  340. [13:49] <Troisnyx> (I still failed on Vanitas Remnant, but that's beside the point.)
  341. [13:49] <Pea14733> Wait
  342. [13:50] <Pea14733> Oh nvm
  343. [13:50] * Aixon (569e8f47@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.158.143.71) has joined #KHWiki-noticeboard
  344. [13:51] <Troisnyx> What was it, Pea?
  345. [13:52] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I think we should just go with it. Whatever strategies you use can be a part of the Walkthrough. I mean, it's implied that there are other strategies/methods, that's part of what makes Kingdom Hearts so great, is that there's no one way of fighting any one enemy.
  346. [13:52] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> It's impossible to list every possible strategy, or even every popular strategy.
  347. [13:53] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> (Plus, that's kinda arbitrary...)
  348. [13:53] <Pea14733> I just wanna say that for BbS we decided that we divide by characters
  349. [13:53] <Troisnyx> Fair enough.
  350. [13:54] * Chain|RR is now known as Chainoffire
  351. [13:55] <+neumannz> (side note, i'm of the opinion that a lot of the Game-space strategies need to be revised)
  352. [13:55] <Troisnyx> I agree.
  353. [13:55] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Now is the real issue of how to get people to actually write the walkthroughs. I tried a year ago with BBS, and I couldn't even start...
  354. [13:55] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I agree with Neumannz
  355. [13:55] <Chainoffire> I didn't even get past Roxas with KHII..
  356. [13:55] <Troisnyx> I will be honest and say:
  357. [13:56] <Troisnyx> I've been meaning to do a PSP run of the original BBS, but I've been asking for help on Newgrounds for anyone who knows how to use RemoteJoy...
  358. [13:56] <Troisnyx> Still till today I've no idea how to do this.
  359. [13:56] <Troisnyx> I've got a mic, Audacity, video editing software, but no means to hook up the PSP to the PC screen.
  360. [13:56] <Pea14733> You connect with USB
  361. [13:57] <Chainoffire> emulation maybe?
  362. [13:57] <Troisnyx> Which I have; it runs by mini-USB...
  363. [13:57] <Pea14733> Yup
  364. [13:57] <Troisnyx> I don't know if I want to touch an emulator. Ideally, no.
  365. [13:57] <Pea14733> Then you'll need RemoteJoy plugin
  366. [13:57] <Troisnyx> Trouble is, I DON'T KNOW how to install it.
  367. [13:57] <Troisnyx> Or how to run it between PSP or PC.
  368. [13:57] <Pea14733> With that, you need to hack your PSP
  369. [13:57] <FifteenthMember> I can add the rest of kh recoded to my to do list, minus the avatar sector because i haven't completed that myself
  370. [13:57] <Chainoffire> Trois: If it's a legality issue, there's a legal way to use emus.
  371. [13:57] <Pea14733> Whcih I know you won't
  372. [13:58] <Troisnyx> There's a legal way to use Emus?
  373. [13:58] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I'll try again, but last I tried, I couldn't record on my PC. (Part because it's an old little thing...)
  374. [13:58] <Pea14733> The illegal part in emulators are the "bios"
  375. [13:59] <Chainoffire> the emu's themselves aren't illegal
  376. [13:59] <Pea14733> You can get the bios with your PSP
  377. [13:59] <RikutheBloody> What I miss
  378. [13:59] <Troisnyx> Bios?
  379. [13:59] <Pea14733> Yeah
  380. [13:59] <RikutheBloody> I AFked.
  381. [13:59] <RikutheBloody> Someone give me tl;dr
  382. [13:59] <Pea14733> The reason PCSX2 is still up is that they don't supply the bios with the emulator
  383. [13:59] <RikutheBloody> PLEESE
  384. [13:59] <Pea14733> Errr...
  385. [13:59] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Riku, just talking about the Walkthroughs, still
  386. [14:00] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> you really haven't missed much
  387. [14:00] <RikutheBloody> That's all?
  388. [14:00] <RikutheBloody> Good.
  389. [14:00] <RikutheBloody> Thanks.
  390. [14:00] <RikutheBloody> WHat about the admin changes.
  391. [14:01] <Troisnyx> (I'm just uploading userbox images in the meantime; I've gathered A LOT >_<)
  392. [14:01] <RikutheBloody> If you would slow down.
  393. [14:01] <RikutheBloody> I could help, Trois. :P
  394. [14:01] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Riku, we're still on the Walkthroughs
  395. [14:01] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Nothing on admin changes
  396. [14:02] <RikutheBloody> User rights log
  397. [14:02] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Oh, I think NZ and Xion were just testing something on their own. Nothing of that was discussed here.
  398. [14:02] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Anyways
  399. [14:02] <Pea14733> http://www.ppsspp.org/faq.html
  400. [14:02] <Pea14733> Oooh
  401. [14:02] <Pea14733> FOr PSP you don't need a bios
  402. [14:02] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> ^
  403. [14:02] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> True
  404. [14:02] <Chainoffire> Anyways, back to the agenda
  405. [14:02] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah
  406. [14:03] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> So, anyone want to be involved with writing the walkthroughs?
  407. [14:03] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> (Or, I guess, recording them...)
  408. [14:03] <FifteenthMember> i'll add the rest of recoded, minus avatar sector, to my to do list
  409. [14:03] <Pea14733> Busy enough and I'm still pickling "coded" stuffs
  410. [14:04] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I can try Birth by Sleep again.
  411. [14:04] <FifteenthMember> but it may be a while before I get onti it
  412. [14:04] <FifteenthMember> *onto
  413. [14:04] <Troisnyx> I'll talk about the PSP walkthrough when my head's clearer.
  414. [14:04] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> (Or help, if TNE wants to do it.)
  415. [14:05] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Anything else?
  416. [14:05] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Or do we move on?
  417. [14:05] <Pea14733> Yeah we should move on
  418. [14:05] <RikutheBloody> We need ENX
  419. [14:05] <Chainoffire> Shall we discuss his point without him?
  420. [14:06] <Pea14733> I think we'll just move his point to the last one
  421. [14:06] <+neumannz> 'guys, i'm leaving work in a minute
  422. [14:06] <FifteenthMember> http://www.khwiki.com/KHWiki:Traverse_Town/1st_District/Moogle_Workshop
  423. [14:06] <FifteenthMember> oh this
  424. [14:06] <FifteenthMember> basically
  425. [14:06] <RikutheBloody> Bye
  426. [14:06] <+neumannz> so i'll be rather AFK
  427. [14:06] <FifteenthMember> we need to write some tutorial pages
  428. [14:06] <RikutheBloody> Neumannz senpai
  429. [14:06] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> What's RHS?
  430. [14:06] <FifteenthMember> Okay, cya NZ
  431. [14:06] <FifteenthMember> Right Hand side
  432. [14:06] <+Xion4ever> Truth be told, I think that's better suited to a forum.
  433. [14:06] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Alright, see ya NZ
  434. [14:06] <Pea14733> Neumannz, what do you think of ENX's adminship?
  435. [14:06] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> FM: Ah
  436. [14:06] <FifteenthMember> Xion, what is?
  437. [14:07] <+Xion4ever> ENX and the staff position stuff.
  438. [14:07] <FifteenthMember> Oh
  439. [14:07] <+Xion4ever> That way everyone can comment/see/discuss/duke it out when they have the time.
  440. [14:07] <Pea14733> Okay
  441. [14:07] <+Xion4ever> Also, public library- er, record.
  442. [14:07] <Pea14733> So what is RHS
  443. [14:07] <RikutheBloody> He is definetly Admin material,
  444. [14:07] <RikutheBloody> however
  445. [14:07] <FifteenthMember> Right Hand Side
  446. [14:07] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Wait
  447. [14:07] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> !
  448. [14:08] <RikutheBloody> is he going to be acvive
  449. [14:08] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> WAIT!
  450. [14:08] <FifteenthMember> We're not discussing this now
  451. [14:08] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> One agenda point at a time
  452. [14:08] <Chainoffire> WAIT!
  453. [14:08] * RikutheBloody stops
  454. [14:08] <Pea14733> ENX thing -> moved to forums, no?
  455. [14:08] <FifteenthMember> yup
  456. [14:08] <FifteenthMember> Okay so
  457. [14:08] <FifteenthMember> tutorials
  458. [14:08] <Pea14733> So we're jsut discussing tutorials
  459. [14:08] <FifteenthMember> I imagine that these would go in the users' own userspaces
  460. [14:09] <RikutheBloody> tutorials for what?
  461. [14:09] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah
  462. [14:09] <FifteenthMember> so they're pretty informal and laid back
  463. [14:09] <FifteenthMember> and communal
  464. [14:09] <FifteenthMember> and all that
  465. [14:09] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> The idea when I added them was that I remember seeing a ton of user tutorials.
  466. [14:09] <FifteenthMember> And they'd be stuff like how to make a talk bubble
  467. [14:09] <FifteenthMember> or how to make a userbox etc.
  468. [14:09] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> So I thought, we could link them in Traverse Town
  469. [14:10] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
  470. [14:10] <FifteenthMember> We just need to write them
  471. [14:10] <+Xion4ever> A good chunk of them are already linked on the Beginner's page...
  472. [14:10] <FifteenthMember> I'm wondering if they'd be redundant to the stuff we write in the magazine?
  473. [14:10] <+Xion4ever> I remember Kate linking mine and TNE's, anyways.
  474. [14:10] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Or for the ones already written, link them to Traverse Town
  475. [14:10] <+Xion4ever> http://www.khwiki.com/Help:Guide_For_New_Members
  476. [14:10] <+Xion4ever> Boom
  477. [14:12] * +neumannz (6b01484d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.1.72.77) Quit (Quit: Page closed)
  478. [14:12] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I left that page blank because I wasn't sure if anyone would want their guides linked like that, but we could if we want. I remember TNE having a Talk Bubble tutorial.
  479. [14:12] <RikutheBloody> Guys
  480. [14:12] <RikutheBloody> guys
  481. [14:12] <FifteenthMember> I don't think that redundancy is a bad thing
  482. [14:12] <RikutheBloody> I think I have a OCD
  483. [14:12] <Pea14733> OCD?
  484. [14:12] <Troisnyx> I have a Talk Bubble Tutorial, indeed.
  485. [14:13] <+Xion4ever> I'm not against linking them on Traverse Town. Go for it.
  486. [14:13] <RikutheBloody> ENX's OCD
  487. [14:13] <+Xion4ever> I'm saying we link a handful of them in other places, one such place being on the new member's guide.
  488. [14:13] <RikutheBloody> is he get's angry easily
  489. [14:13] <FifteenthMember> Xion, yeah
  490. [14:13] <RikutheBloody> mine, is that I can leave things messy
  491. [14:13] <FifteenthMember> I just brought up the agenda point so that we can fill that space
  492. [14:13] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> We should
  493. [14:14] <FifteenthMember> What I'm saying is if anyone has a guide or wants to write one, feel free to advertise there
  494. [14:14] <RikutheBloody> I can make a user guide.
  495. [14:15] <RikutheBloody> If thats what this is about.
  496. [14:15] <Troisnyx> That'll be lovely.
  497. [14:15] <+Xion4ever> A central page with links to people's various guides, even if they are duplicates, is a great idea.
  498. [14:15] <+Xion4ever> Different people = different opinions = good for different learners/editors
  499. [14:15] <RikutheBloody> Okay.
  500. [14:16] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
  501. [14:16] <RikutheBloody> I'll need a right hand man though
  502. [14:16] <FifteenthMember> So, that puts a close on that
  503. [14:17] <FifteenthMember> Okay well
  504. [14:17] <+Xion4ever> So now what?
  505. [14:17] <FifteenthMember> if people can manage to write guides that's fab
  506. [14:17] <FifteenthMember> If not, we need to link already existing ones (like Xion's and TNE's)
  507. [14:18] <FifteenthMember> As for myself, I'm not really wanting to write any guides atm
  508. [14:18] <RikutheBloody> WAIT
  509. [14:19] <RikutheBloody> Someone has to help me a little.
  510. [14:19] <RikutheBloody> Like check it
  511. [14:19] <+Xion4ever> Just write one up and ask people to review it.
  512. [14:19] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
  513. [14:19] <+Xion4ever> There doesn't have to be a formal/in-depth plan. Just do it.
  514. [14:20] <+Xion4ever> But in your userspace! Don't create a new article titled "How to make epic talkbubbles"
  515. [14:21] <FifteenthMember> Yeah, I think that wraps things up
  516. [14:22] <FifteenthMember> next agenda point?
  517. [14:22] <FifteenthMember> ENX is here so we go back to the start?
  518. [14:23] <+Xion4ever> I still say we discuss this on a forum.
  519. [14:23] <Chainoffire> aye
  520. [14:23] <FifteenthMember> in that case
  521. [14:23] <FifteenthMember> O:KC
  522. [14:23] <FifteenthMember> is the last thing on the agenda
  523. [14:24] <Chainoffire> Yes.
  524. [14:24] <Pea14733> What's left to say about this thing?
  525. [14:24] <+Xion4ever> A lot.
  526. [14:24] <Chainoffire> PLENTY
  527. [14:24] <Chainoffire> Now to discuss this point
  528. [14:24] <RikutheBloody> Wait
  529. [14:24] <RikutheBloody> WAIT
  530. [14:24] <FifteenthMember> which part in particular are we looking at?
  531. [14:24] * Pea14733 is rapidly shot.
  532. [14:24] <RikutheBloody> ENX adminship
  533. [14:24] <Chainoffire> RtB. Forum.
  534. [14:25] <Pea14733> ^
  535. [14:25] <RikutheBloody> oh
  536. [14:25] * Pea14733 is ninja'd
  537. [14:25] <Chainoffire> If everyone could go on over to ##OKCtalk we'll discuss the last point.
  538. [14:25] <FifteenthMember> lol
  539. [14:25] <FifteenthMember> k
  540. [14:25] <FifteenthMember> and
  541. [14:25] <FifteenthMember> ROUNDTABLE END
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