Kingdom Hearts Wiki Roundtable - February 6, 2015

[12:39] <FifteenthMember> Err, should we just start on Riku's navbar then?
[12:39] <Pea14733> Yeah
[12:40] <Pea14733> So let's start
[12:40] <Chainoffire> sounds good
[12:40] <Chainoffire> So!
[12:40] <Pea14733> My Accessory Navi Bar. Rikuwayfinder_zpstuy2a5ld.png RikutheBloody 22:50, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
[12:40] <Chainoffire> where is this navbar?
[12:40] <Pea14733> Yeah
[12:40] <FifteenthMember> Oh
[12:41] <FifteenthMember> yeah, riku, argue your case~
[12:41] <FifteenthMember> this is ye time
[12:41] <Pea14733> ...
[12:41] <Pea14733> I even pinged him with that paste...
[12:42] <+neumannz> and keep it clean
[12:42] <Chainoffire> It'd be great to use specificity when posting things on the RT page..
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[12:43] <Chainoffire> I see nothing in his userspace
[12:43] <+neumannz> wow, perfect timing
[12:43] <+Xion4ever> Sorry I'm late. I just got off work.
[12:43] <Chainoffire> So I have no idea what he's talking about
[12:43] <Chainoffire> Xion: No probs, we just started
[12:43] <Draaek> hey didnt we skip his previous point of revamping the walkthroughs?
[12:43] <+Xion4ever> I don't know how long I'll be on. I'm meeting a friend for a study session in a moment.
[12:44] <+neumannz> http://www.khwiki.com/User:Master_Riku_the_Bloody/Accessories
[12:44] <Chainoffire> that's okay
[12:44] <+Xion4ever> So, what are we on?
[12:44] <Chainoffire> RtB's navbar
[12:44] <+neumannz> (and for comparison, http://www.khwiki.com/User:Xion4ever/Atelier/Archive#Template:Accessories)
[12:44] <+Xion4ever> Oh wow. That's old.
[12:44] <+neumannz> ah, the memories
[12:44] <RikutheBloody> Alright
[12:44] <Chainoffire> is Xion's the one we use in the mainspace?
[12:45] <+Xion4ever> We don't have an accessory or ability navbar.
[12:45] <+neumannz> we currently don't use any
[12:45] <Chainoffire> ahh
[12:45] <Pea14733> I think we should kind of separate them with "types" as well
[12:45] <+neumannz> what does that mean
[12:45] <Pea14733> Like, Rings together, Bangles, etc.
[12:45] <Chainoffire> do 'splain Pea.
[12:45] <+Xion4ever> Growth, support?
[12:45] <+Xion4ever> Oh
[12:46] <Chainoffire> Like have a seperate Navbar for each?
[12:46] <RikutheBloody> I picked games
[12:46] <RikutheBloody> because Keyblades
[12:46] <Pea14733> I mean, we do games THEN add another level for types
[12:46] <+neumannz> he means by "design" so to speak
[12:46] <Pea14733> Yeah
[12:46] <+neumannz> that would be fairly arbitrary
[12:46] <RikutheBloody> ^
[12:46] <Chainoffire> so "design" as a subsection?
[12:48] <+neumannz> the original problem was that with so many accessories, with no reasonable way to divvy them up into groups (besides games), it's basically redundant to using categories
[12:48] <RikutheBloody> Yes,
[12:48] <RikutheBloody> but the navi bar has ALL the accessories.
[12:48] <Pea14733> I don't know. I just feel like it's still too many even after we divide them by games
[12:49] <RikutheBloody> It's just like the keyblades.
[12:49] <+neumannz> keyblades can at least be separated by game AND wielder
[12:49] <Pea14733> LIke, we don't even have to have a design name. We can just group them in one line or something
[12:49] <+neumannz> brb
[12:50] <RikutheBloody> One line?
[12:50] <Chainoffire> But what would things that don't have a design be put under?
[12:50] <RikutheBloody> Elaborate.
[12:50] <Pea14733> For example on KH2
[12:51] <Pea14733> Ability Ring - Aquamarine Ring - Cosmic Ring - Diamond Ring -  Draw Ring - Engineer's Ring - Expert's Ring -  Garnet Ring - Gold Ring - Lucky Ring - Master's Ring - Mythril Ring
[12:51] <Pea14733> These together
[12:51] <Pea14733> Then we start another line
[12:52] <Chainoffire> Not everything has something to go with though
[12:52] <Chainoffire> ie "Brave Warrior" "Ability Stud"
[12:52] <Chainoffire> and there's no physical description of them
[12:52] <+Xion4ever> We still talking about the nav bar?
[12:52] <RikutheBloody> I get what you're saying Pea.
[12:52] <Chainoffire> yeah
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[12:53] <Pea14733> Yeah and Days and Re:coded just have only one kind of them anyway
[12:53] <Troisnyx> Pardon my late arrival.
[12:53] <Pea14733> Hi TNE
[12:53] <Troisnyx> I'll catch up on the minutes of this thing at a later point.
[12:53] <RikutheBloody> Okay.
[12:53] <Troisnyx> Cheers ^_^
[12:53] <+Xion4ever> Let me find the discussion of when I created the first accessory nav bar idea.
[12:54] <+Xion4ever> Brb
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[12:57] <Pea14733> We just have WAY too many accessories in a game XD
[12:58] <RikutheBloody> Well.
[12:58] <RikutheBloody> The keyblades are sorted by game.
[12:58] <Pea14733> I know that the y Keyblades are sorted by games ._.
[12:58] <Pea14733> I'm not telling you to change that for accessories either
[12:59] <+Xion4ever> Accessories aren't necessarily important enough to merit a navbar.
[12:59] <RikutheBloody> I know but the categories for them are scattered.
[13:00] <+neumannz> what do you mean, scattered
[13:00] <+neumannz> (also, back)
[13:00] <RikutheBloody> Like for each game.
[13:00] <RikutheBloody> AThere is a category for each game idividually.
[13:00] <RikutheBloody> (Neumannz noticed me. :D)
[13:01] <RikutheBloody> For example.
[13:01] <RikutheBloody> KH accessories
[13:01] <RikutheBloody> and KHII accessories
[13:01] <+neumannz> i notice EVERYBODY O_O
[13:01] <RikutheBloody> The navibar has all of them.
[13:01] <RikutheBloody> I wasn't sure if you noticed me.
[13:02] <+neumannz> well, it would be nice if we had a list somewhere
[13:02] <+neumannz> i'm just not sure if it needs to be a navbar
[13:03] <+Xion4ever> ^
[13:03] <Chainoffire> Maybe a "List of Accessories" page?
[13:03] <Pea14733> ^
[13:03] <+Xion4ever> That would be a big 'ol page.
[13:03] <Chainoffire> *cough* (Keyhole has one of those) *cough*
[13:04] <+Xion4ever> Which ultimately leads to a discussion a month later on "Should there be Kingdom Hearts II (accessories), Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days (accessories)" and etc.
[13:04] <Chainoffire> http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Accessories_(Kingdom_Hearts)
[13:04] <RikutheBloody> Keyhole has a list of everything. :D
[13:04] <Pea14733> >.>
[13:04] <+Xion4ever> Then you get the old point of "We have categories."
[13:04] <+neumannz> hang on
[13:04] <Pea14733> I'm not sure if that's a compliment >.>
[13:05] <+neumannz> well, the Gear Matrix has basically that
[13:05] <+neumannz> *a list
[13:05] <Pea14733> Yeah...
[13:06] <RikutheBloody> Gear Matrix is just accessories.
[13:06] <+neumannz> if it
[13:06] <Pea14733> And Keyblades
[13:07] <+neumannz> if it's felt that even a List of page is redundant to categories, then we can just link the Accessory page to those categories
[13:07] <+neumannz> (also finish commands)
[13:07] <Chainoffire> Categories are harder to navigate though
[13:07] <Chainoffire> especially for non-wiki users
[13:08] <+neumannz> even if they're linked directly there?
[13:09] <RikutheBloody> It's in ABC order.
[13:09] <+neumannz> oh, the horror?
[13:09] <+neumannz> is that a significant problem?
[13:09] <RikutheBloody> Not a big one.
[13:10] <RikutheBloody> A navi bar is just easy.
[13:10] <RikutheBloody> I used to come to this wiki when I was younger
[13:10] <RikutheBloody> and I HATED categories.
[13:11] <+Xion4ever> My main thing with navboxes, especially for this "extra"/"side" stuff, is that they're generally sloppy. At least to me.
[13:11] <+Xion4ever> Maybe sloppy isn't the correct term. Visually unappealing?
[13:11] <+neumannz> they certainly start to feel that way after they reach a certain size
[13:12] <+Xion4ever> The school's wifi sucks so I'm having a hard time finding the discussion I had with Kryten on this back when I first created/had the idea.
[13:12] <Chainoffire> have a different nav by game?
[13:12] <+Xion4ever> Game navbars actually have a reason to not only exist, but to be long.
[13:12] <Chainoffire> Accessories (Kingdom Hearts)
[13:12] <+Xion4ever> Accessories? Eh.... Abilities? Eh....
[13:13] <RikutheBloody> Abilities.
[13:13] <RikutheBloody> Navbar
[13:13] <RikutheBloody> Great Idea.
[13:13] <+Xion4ever> >_<
[13:13] <Chainoffire> I don't think Abilities need a Navi.
[13:13] <Pea14733> Well we have list of abilities so we won't need that
[13:13] <+neumannz> ^
[13:13] <RikutheBloody> Just kiddin
[13:13] <RikutheBloody> That would be stupid
[13:14] <+Xion4ever> If I had to choose between a navbar and a "List of accessories" page, I'd choose the latter.
[13:14] <RikutheBloody> I'd choose the Navibar
[13:14] <+Xion4ever> Mainly because I find the navbar "ugly." #straightup
[13:15] <Pea14733> Navbar with too many items XD
[13:15] <RikutheBloody> How are they ugly?
[13:15] <+Xion4ever> http://www.khwiki.com/User:Xion4ever/Atelier/Archive#Template:Accessories (Ignore the [bad] color scheme on my part).
[13:15] <+Xion4ever> See how long that is?
[13:15] <+Xion4ever> That doesn't even begin to cover all of the games.
[13:15] <Chainoffire> Would there be an issue with having Multiple Navis?
[13:16] <Pea14733> Similar to how a cluttered table and a clean table look
[13:16] <+Xion4ever> That navbox would be huge and a big eyesore.
[13:16] <RikutheBloody> woooooow
[13:16] <RikutheBloody> Xion
[13:16] <RikutheBloody> great minds think alike
[13:16] <RikutheBloody> Just pick a different coor.
[13:16] <RikutheBloody> *color
[13:16] <+Xion4ever> Damn it. You're missing my point.
[13:17] <+Xion4ever> I had the idea back in 2010, not even a year after I joined.
[13:17] <Pea14733> Can we alter the category system?
[13:17] <Chainoffire> Is it physically possible to?
[13:17] <+Xion4ever> What do you mean by "alter?"
[13:17] <Pea14733> I don't know. I mean, you guys keep saying "Categories suck" or something
[13:18] <+neumannz> only rikuTB is saying that, i think
[13:18] <Pea14733> oh...
[13:18] <FifteenthMember> I think we need a list of accessories page
[13:18] <FifteenthMember> http://www.khwiki.com/Accessory
[13:18] <FifteenthMember> or merged in here
[13:18] <RikutheBloody> Just Riku is fine, Nezzy
[13:18] <FifteenthMember> If we won't have a navbar on every page
[13:18] <FifteenthMember> and the category is too sloppy
[13:19] <FifteenthMember> a complete list somewhere would suffice, no?
[13:19] <Chainoffire> aye
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[13:19] <RikutheBloody> I don't see the thing wrong with the Navibar
[13:20] <Chainoffire> too large.
[13:20] <Pea14733> Cluttered
[13:20] <+Xion4ever> With that many "things" we'd be better off using a "list of...." page.
[13:21] <+Xion4ever> I honestly don't believe everything deserves a navbar either, in retrospect.
[13:21] <Chainoffire> aye
[13:21] * RikutheBloody is beat by numbers
[13:21] <Troisnyx> So, let me get this straight. Navbars where there are fewer things, but otherwise, list?
[13:21] <Pea14733> Yeah
[13:21] <Troisnyx> Would we have to put lists in a page or in a navbar though...
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[13:22] <Chainoffire> we'd do it on a page
[13:22] <Troisnyx> I see.
[13:22] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Hey guys, what'd I miss
[13:22] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> ?
[13:22] <+neumannz> i'm okay with that
[13:22] <RikutheBloody> Nothing much, KSM.
[13:23] <RikutheBloody> Are we moving on?
[13:23] <Troisnyx> Okay, I've been meaning to ask summat.
[13:23] <Troisnyx> About the Unused Images.
[13:23] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok, cool
[13:23] <Troisnyx> Normally if we know they're unused, we'd go delete them (I can't now, but that's beside the point; I'm not fussed) -- but at least some of them (the gifs, for instance) appear usable.
[13:23] <+neumannz> ooh, one of our favorite things ._.
[13:23] <+neumannz> yeah
[13:24] <Troisnyx> Should we try find a place for them?
[13:24] <+Xion4ever> There is actually a forum on that, TNE.
[13:24] <FifteenthMember> yeah
[13:24] <Troisnyx> Oh? (I really missed a lot >_>)
[13:24] <FifteenthMember> that coincides with the redirect abilities
[13:24] <FifteenthMember> *redirected
[13:24] <Troisnyx> Please link me to that.
[13:24] <+Xion4ever> http://www.khwiki.com/Forum:Unused_Files
[13:24] <Troisnyx> Cheers. ^_^
[13:24] <FifteenthMember> Because the gifs are unused because we haven't created pages for each ability yet
[13:24] <Troisnyx> I know, I'm aware of that.
[13:24] <+Xion4ever> Nothing was every really decided. The discussion kind of died away.
[13:25] <FifteenthMember> I am in the process of making those pages, and I'm adding the gifs for them as I go along
[13:25] <Troisnyx> Valor Form has a combo which could be put in the Valor Form page, for instance, but we struggle to put it in without cluttering it up.
[13:25] <FifteenthMember> If I miss some, add them
[13:25] <FifteenthMember> gallery?
[13:25] <Troisnyx> Which is why it's in Unused now.
[13:25] <Troisnyx> Possibly? If there are enough images to warrant a Suite.
[13:25] <Chainoffire> Do we intend to make a page for every abililty?
[13:25] <Troisnyx> Some will coincide, so redirects, but.... ideally, yes.
[13:25] <Troisnyx> I think anyway.
[13:26] <+neumannz> more or less, yeah
[13:26] <+neumannz> even the Dream Eater abilties, i believe
[13:27] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
[13:27] <FifteenthMember> we also need to sort out reaction commands
[13:27] <FifteenthMember> Because that page is a mess
[13:27] <+neumannz> AGREED
[13:27] <+neumannz> ALL OF THE THIS
[13:27] <Chainoffire> aye
[13:28] <Troisnyx> Aye.
[13:28] <RikutheBloody> Where is ENX?
[13:28] <+neumannz> ARRR
[13:28] <Chainoffire> but do we really need a page for EVERY reaction command?
[13:28] <+neumannz> no
[13:28] <+neumannz> but a comprehensive table would be nice
[13:28] <Troisnyx> I'm looking for TheSilentHero, because I need his help with some Userboxes decluttering.
[13:28] <FifteenthMember> Yes
[13:28] <Troisnyx> But that's beside the point.
[13:29] <FifteenthMember> should reaction commands link to the table
[13:29] <FifteenthMember> or the enemy article?
[13:29] <FifteenthMember> they're an integral part of the enemy, so it could be covered there
[13:29] <FifteenthMember> That goes for the battle commands anyway
[13:29] <FifteenthMember> But then again, not every battle command is triggered by an enemy so maybe not
[13:29] <Chainoffire> I thought that they were already covered in the enemy articles?
[13:30] <+neumannz> "covered"-ish
[13:30] <Chainoffire> maybe have a "reaction command" section?
[13:30] <FifteenthMember> yeah
[13:31] <FifteenthMember> Probably a sub-section under Strategy/Attacks
[13:31] <FifteenthMember> Or, just a table
[13:31] <FifteenthMember> as NZ said
[13:33] <+neumannz> or both
[13:33] <Chainoffire> What would go into the table? "Enemy|RC|Des|"?
[13:34] <FifteenthMember> RC | Desc | "Triggered"
[13:35] <+neumannz> ^
[13:35] <Chainoffire> .gif | RC | Desc | Trig ?
[13:35] <FifteenthMember> We can't fit gifs in tables
[13:35] <Chainoffire> :/
[13:36] <Chainoffire> Then yours works
[13:36] <FifteenthMember> Okay
[13:36] <FifteenthMember> We kinda went off topic
[13:36] <FifteenthMember> Let's go back to the agenda?
[13:37] <FifteenthMember> Walkthroughs?
[13:37] <Troisnyx> Walkthroughs....
[13:37] <Chainoffire> well it needed to be covered so I think it's cool :3
[13:37] <Troisnyx> I was meaning to ask about these too.
[13:37] <Chainoffire> Oh yes, that one project that I haven't touched in 2 years...
[13:37] <FifteenthMember> well
[13:37] <FifteenthMember> I did that recoded walkthrough
[13:37] <FifteenthMember> the one that killed me
[13:38] <Troisnyx> How are we going to have them go? I mean, years ago I did my Re:Chain of Memories walkthrough but abandoned it because I couldn't get past Riku's fecking story, but I imagine that's not how we'll do it now.
[13:38] <FifteenthMember> and is still 5% left
[13:39] <Chainoffire> I'd be willing to do video walkthroughts
[13:39] <Chainoffire> But not written..
[13:40] <Chainoffire> I digress. What's the agenda topic about it?
[13:40] <Pea14733> Try to revamp the Walkthroughs. Idea came from UxieLover. Rikuwayfinder_zpstuy2a5ld.png RikutheBloody 16:25, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
[13:42] <Chainoffire> Is there anyone willing to do walkthroughs?
[13:42] <FifteenthMember> CoF, is the LP not like our video walkthrough?
[13:42] <Troisnyx> I am willing to, but I'm not sure HOW to set it up.
[13:42] <FifteenthMember> TNE
[13:43] <Chainoffire> 15M: No, that's commentary over gameplay
[13:43] <Troisnyx> A Let's Play would be like a video walkthrough, but there may need to be different takes on a game.
[13:43] <FifteenthMember> http://www.khwiki.com/Walkthrough:Kingdom_Hearts_Re:coded
[13:43] <FifteenthMember> This is what the KH Recoded walkthrough is like
[13:43] <FifteenthMember> the one I wrote
[13:43] <Troisnyx> Cheers, thanks for linking it to me.
[13:43] <FifteenthMember> it still needs proof reading and checking
[13:43] <Troisnyx> Now:
[13:43] <FifteenthMember> and the side stuff and trophies and avatar sector hasn't been done yet
[13:43] <Troisnyx> I am willing to do a walkthrough for Birth by Sleep, since I am playing it at the mo', BUT:
[13:44] <Troisnyx> Games like these need several takes from several people, and strategies will differ.
[13:44] <Troisnyx> So I've no idea how to give a balanced view on these.
[13:44] <FifteenthMember> CoF: The LP is commentated but even still, for all intensive purposes it kinda is our video walkthrough
[13:44] <FifteenthMember> especially since you guys often discuss gameplay/strategy/mechanic stuff so it's pretty informative
[13:44] <FifteenthMember> so we don't really need a video walkthrough
[13:45] <FifteenthMember> TNE, I think a different page for each character
[13:45] <Troisnyx> At the same time, what I'm trying to say is this:
[13:45] <FifteenthMember> The pages are already made
[13:45] <FifteenthMember> http://www.khwiki.com/Walkthrough:Kingdom_Hearts_Birth_by_Sleep
[13:45] <Troisnyx> How I defeat the Iron Imprisoner as Terra will differ from how someone defeats the Iron Imprisoner as Terra.
[13:45] <FifteenthMember> ?
[13:46] <Chainoffire> Yeah but I'm saying that a "non-commentated" video walkthrough could be used in the walkthrough namespace
[13:46] <FifteenthMember> you mean as Ventus or Aqua?
[13:46] <Troisnyx> No, as Terra.
[13:46] <FifteenthMember> CoF: Oh yeah, if we can get it
[13:46] <Troisnyx> Our techniques and recommendations would be different.
[13:46] <FifteenthMember> Oh
[13:46] <FifteenthMember> we could have multiple strategies, no problem
[13:46] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> FM, she's basically saying that she might use, for example, heavy attacks using Terra, while I might use full out blizzard-related attacks
[13:46] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> 'Cept you got the point
[13:46] <FifteenthMember> "One strategy is...
[13:46] <Troisnyx> Eh. :)
[13:46] <FifteenthMember> Another method is...
[13:46] <FifteenthMember> An alternative...
[13:47] <FifteenthMember> etc.
[13:47] <Troisnyx> Trouble is, we don't want to clutter up the page with strategy after strategy.
[13:47] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> (Man, I'm always late....)
[13:47] <Chainoffire> aye
[13:47] <Troisnyx> We'd like to have it as neat as possible.
[13:47] <FifteenthMember> hmm, I don't think it'd be too big a problem
[13:47] <Troisnyx> If we can keep the neatness and display the different alternatives, fine.
[13:47] <FifteenthMember> Also, we're probably not going to have that many alternative strategies anyway
[13:47] <Troisnyx> No. But some are going to have at least three or four.
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[13:48] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I think we should not worry about alternative strategies and simply supply the best/easiest/most well-known strategy. It's what we do for the articles in Game:-space, no?
[13:48] <Troisnyx> Or, even the enemy articles.
[13:48] <Troisnyx> Trouble is, even THOSE are cluttered. D:
[13:48] <FifteenthMember> Not really
[13:49] <FifteenthMember> I remember when I was stuck on the Vanitas Sentiment
[13:49] <Troisnyx> Some of them are.
[13:49] <FifteenthMember> the game: page had multiple strategies
[13:49] <Troisnyx> Iron Imprisoner, for instance.
[13:49] <FifteenthMember> and I found it pretty informative and comprehensive still
[13:49] <Troisnyx> (I still failed on Vanitas Remnant, but that's beside the point.)
[13:49] <Pea14733> Wait
[13:50] <Pea14733> Oh nvm
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[13:51] <Troisnyx> What was it, Pea?
[13:52] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I think we should just go with it. Whatever strategies you use can be a part of the Walkthrough. I mean, it's implied that there are other strategies/methods, that's part of what makes Kingdom Hearts so great, is that there's no one way of fighting any one enemy.
[13:52] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> It's impossible to list every possible strategy, or even every popular strategy.
[13:53] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> (Plus, that's kinda arbitrary...)
[13:53] <Pea14733> I just wanna say that for BbS we decided that we divide by characters
[13:53] <Troisnyx> Fair enough.
[13:54] * Chain|RR is now known as Chainoffire
[13:55] <+neumannz> (side note, i'm of the opinion that a lot of the Game-space strategies need to be revised)
[13:55] <Troisnyx> I agree.
[13:55] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Now is the real issue of how to get people to actually write the walkthroughs. I tried a year ago with BBS, and I couldn't even start...
[13:55] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I agree with Neumannz
[13:55] <Chainoffire> I didn't even get past Roxas with KHII..
[13:55] <Troisnyx> I will be honest and say:
[13:56] <Troisnyx> I've been meaning to do a PSP run of the original BBS, but I've been asking for help on Newgrounds for anyone who knows how to use RemoteJoy...
[13:56] <Troisnyx> Still till today I've no idea how to do this.
[13:56] <Troisnyx> I've got a mic, Audacity, video editing software, but no means to hook up the PSP to the PC screen.
[13:56] <Pea14733> You connect with USB
[13:57] <Chainoffire> emulation maybe?
[13:57] <Troisnyx> Which I have; it runs by mini-USB...
[13:57] <Pea14733> Yup
[13:57] <Troisnyx> I don't know if I want to touch an emulator. Ideally, no.
[13:57] <Pea14733> Then you'll need RemoteJoy plugin
[13:57] <Troisnyx> Trouble is, I DON'T KNOW how to install it.
[13:57] <Troisnyx> Or how to run it between PSP or PC.
[13:57] <Pea14733> With that, you need to hack your PSP
[13:57] <FifteenthMember> I can add the rest of kh recoded to my to do list, minus the avatar sector because i haven't completed that myself
[13:57] <Chainoffire> Trois: If it's a legality issue, there's a legal way to use emus.
[13:57] <Pea14733> Whcih I know you won't
[13:58] <Troisnyx> There's a legal way to use Emus?
[13:58] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I'll try again, but last I tried, I couldn't record on my PC. (Part because it's an old little thing...)
[13:58] <Pea14733> The illegal part in emulators are the "bios"
[13:59] <Chainoffire> the emu's themselves aren't illegal
[13:59] <Pea14733> You can get the bios with your PSP
[13:59] <RikutheBloody> What I miss
[13:59] <Troisnyx> Bios?
[13:59] <Pea14733> Yeah
[13:59] <RikutheBloody> I AFked.
[13:59] <RikutheBloody> Someone give me tl;dr
[13:59] <Pea14733> The reason PCSX2 is still up is that they don't supply the bios with the emulator
[13:59] <RikutheBloody> PLEESE
[13:59] <Pea14733> Errr...
[13:59] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Riku, just talking about the Walkthroughs, still
[14:00] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> you really haven't missed much
[14:00] <RikutheBloody> That's all?
[14:00] <RikutheBloody> Good.
[14:00] <RikutheBloody> Thanks.
[14:00] <RikutheBloody> WHat about the admin changes.
[14:01] <Troisnyx> (I'm just uploading userbox images in the meantime; I've gathered A LOT >_<)
[14:01] <RikutheBloody> If you would slow down.
[14:01] <RikutheBloody> I could help, Trois. :P
[14:01] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Riku, we're still on the Walkthroughs
[14:01] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Nothing on admin changes
[14:02] <RikutheBloody> User rights log
[14:02] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Oh, I think NZ and Xion were just testing something on their own. Nothing of that was discussed here.
[14:02] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Anyways
[14:02] <Pea14733> http://www.ppsspp.org/faq.html
[14:02] <Pea14733> Oooh
[14:02] <Pea14733> FOr PSP you don't need a bios
[14:02] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> ^
[14:02] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> True
[14:02] <Chainoffire> Anyways, back to the agenda
[14:02] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah
[14:03] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> So, anyone want to be involved with writing the walkthroughs?
[14:03] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> (Or, I guess, recording them...)
[14:03] <FifteenthMember> i'll add the rest of recoded, minus avatar sector, to my to do list
[14:03] <Pea14733> Busy enough and I'm still pickling "coded" stuffs
[14:04] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I can try Birth by Sleep again.
[14:04] <FifteenthMember> but it may be a while before I get onti it
[14:04] <FifteenthMember> *onto
[14:04] <Troisnyx> I'll talk about the PSP walkthrough when my head's clearer.
[14:04] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> (Or help, if TNE wants to do it.)
[14:05] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Anything else?
[14:05] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Or do we move on?
[14:05] <Pea14733> Yeah we should move on
[14:05] <RikutheBloody> We need ENX
[14:05] <Chainoffire> Shall we discuss his point without him?
[14:06] <Pea14733> I think we'll just move his point to the last one
[14:06] <+neumannz> 'guys, i'm leaving work in a minute
[14:06] <FifteenthMember> http://www.khwiki.com/KHWiki:Traverse_Town/1st_District/Moogle_Workshop
[14:06] <FifteenthMember> oh this
[14:06] <FifteenthMember> basically
[14:06] <RikutheBloody> Bye
[14:06] <+neumannz> so i'll be rather AFK
[14:06] <FifteenthMember> we need to write some tutorial pages
[14:06] <RikutheBloody> Neumannz senpai
[14:06] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> What's RHS?
[14:06] <FifteenthMember> Okay, cya NZ
[14:06] <FifteenthMember> Right Hand side
[14:06] <+Xion4ever> Truth be told, I think that's better suited to a forum.
[14:06] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Alright, see ya NZ
[14:06] <Pea14733> Neumannz, what do you think of ENX's adminship?
[14:06] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> FM: Ah
[14:06] <FifteenthMember> Xion, what is?
[14:07] <+Xion4ever> ENX and the staff position stuff.
[14:07] <FifteenthMember> Oh
[14:07] <+Xion4ever> That way everyone can comment/see/discuss/duke it out when they have the time.
[14:07] <Pea14733> Okay
[14:07] <+Xion4ever> Also, public library- er, record.
[14:07] <Pea14733> So what is RHS
[14:07] <RikutheBloody> He is definetly Admin material,
[14:07] <RikutheBloody> however
[14:07] <FifteenthMember> Right Hand Side
[14:07] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Wait
[14:07] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> !
[14:08] <RikutheBloody> is he going to be acvive
[14:08] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> WAIT!
[14:08] <FifteenthMember> We're not discussing this now
[14:08] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> One agenda point at a time
[14:08] <Chainoffire> WAIT!
[14:08] * RikutheBloody stops
[14:08] <Pea14733> ENX thing -> moved to forums, no?
[14:08] <FifteenthMember> yup
[14:08] <FifteenthMember> Okay so
[14:08] <FifteenthMember> tutorials
[14:08] <Pea14733> So we're jsut discussing tutorials
[14:08] <FifteenthMember> I imagine that these would go in the users' own userspaces
[14:09] <RikutheBloody> tutorials for what?
[14:09] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah
[14:09] <FifteenthMember> so they're pretty informal and laid back
[14:09] <FifteenthMember> and communal
[14:09] <FifteenthMember> and all that
[14:09] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> The idea when I added them was that I remember seeing a ton of user tutorials.
[14:09] <FifteenthMember> And they'd be stuff like how to make a talk bubble
[14:09] <FifteenthMember> or how to make a userbox etc.
[14:09] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> So I thought, we could link them in Traverse Town
[14:10] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
[14:10] <FifteenthMember> We just need to write them
[14:10] <+Xion4ever> A good chunk of them are already linked on the Beginner's page...
[14:10] <FifteenthMember> I'm wondering if they'd be redundant to the stuff we write in the magazine?
[14:10] <+Xion4ever> I remember Kate linking mine and TNE's, anyways.
[14:10] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Or for the ones already written, link them to Traverse Town
[14:10] <+Xion4ever> http://www.khwiki.com/Help:Guide_For_New_Members
[14:10] <+Xion4ever> Boom
[14:12] * +neumannz (6b01484d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.1.72.77) Quit (Quit: Page closed)
[14:12] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I left that page blank because I wasn't sure if anyone would want their guides linked like that, but we could if we want. I remember TNE having a Talk Bubble tutorial.
[14:12] <RikutheBloody> Guys
[14:12] <RikutheBloody> guys
[14:12] <FifteenthMember> I don't think that redundancy is a bad thing
[14:12] <RikutheBloody> I think I have  a OCD
[14:12] <Pea14733> OCD?
[14:12] <Troisnyx> I have a Talk Bubble Tutorial, indeed.
[14:13] <+Xion4ever> I'm not against linking them on Traverse Town. Go for it.
[14:13] <RikutheBloody> ENX's OCD
[14:13] <+Xion4ever> I'm saying we link a handful of them in other places, one such place being on the new member's guide.
[14:13] <RikutheBloody> is he get's angry easily
[14:13] <FifteenthMember> Xion, yeah
[14:13] <RikutheBloody> mine, is that I can leave things messy
[14:13] <FifteenthMember> I just brought up the agenda point so that we can fill that space
[14:13] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> We should
[14:14] <FifteenthMember> What I'm saying is if anyone has a guide or wants to write one, feel free to advertise there
[14:14] <RikutheBloody> I can make a user guide.
[14:15] <RikutheBloody> If thats what this is about.
[14:15] <Troisnyx> That'll be lovely.
[14:15] <+Xion4ever> A central page with links to people's various guides, even if they are duplicates, is a great idea.
[14:15] <+Xion4ever> Different people = different opinions = good for different learners/editors
[14:15] <RikutheBloody> Okay.
[14:16] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
[14:16] <RikutheBloody> I'll need a right hand man though
[14:16] <FifteenthMember> So, that puts a close on that
[14:17] <FifteenthMember> Okay well
[14:17] <+Xion4ever> So now what?
[14:17] <FifteenthMember> if people can manage to write guides that's fab
[14:17] <FifteenthMember> If not, we need to link already existing ones (like Xion's and TNE's)
[14:18] <FifteenthMember> As for myself, I'm not really wanting to write any guides atm
[14:18] <RikutheBloody> WAIT
[14:19] <RikutheBloody> Someone has to help me a little.
[14:19] <RikutheBloody> Like check it
[14:19] <+Xion4ever> Just write one up and ask people to review it.
[14:19] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
[14:19] <+Xion4ever> There doesn't have to be a formal/in-depth plan. Just do it.
[14:20] <+Xion4ever> But in your userspace! Don't create a new article titled "How to make epic talkbubbles"
[14:21] <FifteenthMember> Yeah, I think that wraps things up
[14:22] <FifteenthMember> next agenda point?
[14:22] <FifteenthMember> ENX is here so we go back to the start?
[14:23] <+Xion4ever> I still say we discuss this on a forum.
[14:23] <Chainoffire> aye
[14:23] <FifteenthMember> in that case
[14:23] <FifteenthMember> O:KC
[14:23] <FifteenthMember> is the last thing on the agenda
[14:24] <Chainoffire> Yes.
[14:24] <Pea14733> What's left to say about this thing?
[14:24] <+Xion4ever> A lot.
[14:24] <Chainoffire> PLENTY
[14:24] <Chainoffire> Now to discuss this point
[14:24] <RikutheBloody> Wait
[14:24] <RikutheBloody> WAIT
[14:24] <FifteenthMember> which part in particular are we looking at?
[14:24] * Pea14733 is rapidly shot.
[14:24] <RikutheBloody> ENX adminship
[14:24] <Chainoffire> RtB. Forum.
[14:25] <Pea14733> ^
[14:25] <RikutheBloody> oh
[14:25] * Pea14733 is ninja'd
[14:25] <Chainoffire> If everyone could go on over to ##OKCtalk we'll discuss the last point.
[14:25] <FifteenthMember> lol
[14:25] <FifteenthMember> k
[14:25] <FifteenthMember> and
[14:25] <FifteenthMember> ROUNDTABLE END

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