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Rozalia - Today at 2:05 PM
The Roz: Second, my love for women is unquestionable, all the many different types of women... Men should look at this and realise that there is much beauty with so much variety out there. A man does not pointlessly handicap himself from enjoying all the world has blessed us with.

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Warning issued by Mad Sweeney
7 hours ago
Penalty
Given 1 points which expire 01/15/18 05:21 AM
Restricted from posting - 1 hour
Note for member
Your post was seen as racist - mostly a shit post. You know what you were doing when posting it.

You have received a warn point.
Alex_PW - Today at 6:37 PM
Your post is literally scoring women based on their race
Rozalia - Today at 6:38 PM
I counted up people's votes. No attack on women or their race has been done, the opposite in fact
Alex_PW - Today at 6:38 PM
Polyamory is not illegal, polygamy is
Rozalia - Today at 6:38 PM
I support that all the same
Alex_PW - Today at 6:39 PM
Perhaps not explicitly, but implicitly the implication here is that women of some races are better than others
Rozalia - Today at 6:39 PM
Nowhere has that been said. Not by me or anyone else
Alex_PW - Today at 6:39 PM
Furthermore I once again object to the notion that you can just arbitrarily pick whatever type of women you want for a wife like you're getting a new dog and you're choosing from breeds
Again, you literally ranked women by race
Rozalia - Today at 6:39 PM
This is the results. We're not actually getting the women as wives
Alex_PW - Today at 6:39 PM
That is an implicit statement: some are better than others
You realize that many young kids play this game right?(edited)
They read these forum posts and this is the time in their life as they're developing their views about the world
Rozalia - Today at 6:40 PM
So you are not allowed to see what gets more votes now if the competitors are of different races?
Alex_PW - Today at 6:40 PM
If you don't want to have a real discussion about this, then I don't care
Rozalia - Today at 6:40 PM
I'm a very open guy on these matters. I don't see anything wrong with being open to relationships with women of other races.
Real disscussion
It's all simply silly
Read what I said
Then claim it is racist
You can't defend it to anyone
Alex_PW - Today at 6:41 PM
I am not saying it is explicitly racist
I am saying it is implicitly racist
Your post says "these women, of these skin tones, are better than all the others"
That's literally the only thing differentiating the women in your posts
Is the color of their skin
And/or facial features I suppose, but it's all based on how they look
Rozalia - Today at 6:42 PM
Skin is it? Not their other features?
A Turkic woman is ranked 3rd
There is more to judging someone then their skin
Alex_PW - Today at 6:43 PM
Not in your post, there is not
Rozalia - Today at 6:43 PM
People went for the eyes, lips, hair, everything
Alex_PW - Today at 6:43 PM
It's choosing women as wives based on how they look, just like you would animals
Rozalia - Today at 6:43 PM
Ummm? I said: Second, my love for women is unquestionable, all the many different types of women... Men should look at this and realise that there is much beauty with so much variety out there. A man does not pointlessly handicap himself from enjoying all the world has blessed us with.
I'm being quite clear people should not be racist
Alex_PW - Today at 6:43 PM
Why force people to choose them? Why rank them?
Why does anyone type of woman have to be better than another?
Why do they have to be shown and chosen, like you're showing animals at auction?
Rozalia - Today at 6:44 PM
Why not? It's interesting to know the tastes of the community. As I said, there are many different types of women out there and people shouldn't handicap themselves.
Yet, the male thread doesn't get any of this you'll notice.
Alex_PW - Today at 6:45 PM
Men don't get objectified and treated the same way women do in society
It's wrong to do it with men too
Rozalia - Today at 6:45 PM
Right. So we can be looked at like "pieces of meat" but women cannot
Fair
Alex_PW - Today at 6:45 PM
But tbh I didn't know you had a men thread
Rozalia - Today at 6:46 PM
I don't
Alex_PW - Today at 6:46 PM
No one should be looked at like "pieces of meat"
Rozalia - Today at 6:46 PM
Someone made it quite clearly to make fun of the guys wanting my thread locked
Alex_PW - Today at 6:46 PM
The one about P&W players?
Rozalia - Today at 6:46 PM
Yeah.
Alex_PW - Today at 6:46 PM
That's obviously satire and has an entirely different tone about it
Your post isn't a joke
What it is is completely dehumanizing to women
Rozalia - Today at 6:48 PM
Right. You seem unaware just how horrible this is to most people so I'll try to explain to you. I'm promoting interracial relations here, I'm known to tell people that women of other races are great. By locking the thread you're giving actual racists ammo
When you're locking the thread of someone who is very much not racist, and the opposite
Alex_PW - Today at 6:48 PM
Whether you're racist or not does not change the message of your post
It is inherently sexist to play a game where you "pick wives" based on how they look, and (admittedly less so) arguably racist that you break women down by race
Rozalia - Today at 6:49 PM
The implication is you, your mods, and the people who want it locked are against interracial relationships.
The game is over, the results were posted
Alex_PW - Today at 6:50 PM
There's no implication of that whatsoever
Rozalia - Today at 6:50 PM
Why should the results be locked?
Of course there is. I'm promoting such a thing and you're locking it
Alex_PW - Today at 6:50 PM
You're only saying that because you want to argue with me and make up whatever "bad sounding" term you can use to get me to acquiesce
Your "results" post is racist
You are ranking women by race
Rozalia - Today at 6:50 PM
People I've talked to see it as silly and that it has a horrible look
Alex_PW - Today at 6:50 PM
You are saying "these women of X race are better than the other women of other races"(edited)
Saying that one race is better than another is the definition of racism
Rozalia - Today at 6:51 PM
Where did I say a race was better than another?
Alex_PW - Today at 6:52 PM
You literally award points and trophies to the "top" races
Rozalia - Today at 6:52 PM
Armenian isn't a race
Alex_PW - Today at 6:52 PM
Look at the comments on the post "Great stats  I'm go kidnap me some top picks for top dollar at the markets "
Rozalia - Today at 6:52 PM
Yeah, it's making fun of you
Alex_PW - Today at 6:52 PM
Do you think that's okay?
Rozalia - Today at 6:52 PM
As I said, they're just making fun of you guys
Alex_PW - Today at 6:52 PM
That's a horrible thing to say
Rozalia - Today at 6:53 PM
Called acting up to mock. Look at Heinrich saying he has self censored his post
That post wouldn't go up if you and your mods didn't act as they did
Alex_PW - Today at 6:53 PM
There are young kids that play this game and read the forum
Rozalia - Today at 6:53 PM
And me telling them to be open to interracial relationships is harmful?
Alex_PW - Today at 6:53 PM
Developing their views about the world. Do you want the to grow up thinking that you get to pick your wife based on her race?
That some types of women are inherently better than others because of how they look?
That women should be seen as objects, to covet and collect?
Rozalia - Today at 6:54 PM
It was not I who put the Armenian on the top, it was the people voting in.
Alex_PW - Today at 6:54 PM
Furthermore, do you think anyone should be faced with that way of thinking?
People have their personal preferences or whatever, but that's their business. You are collecting data on personal preferences and then using it to rank women
Call it by ethnicity if you insist
Rozalia - Today at 6:55 PM
Or I'm checking the game community's preferences
Alex_PW - Today at 6:55 PM
Why did you need to post a results thread, then?
Rozalia - Today at 6:55 PM
Why would I not?
So I just collect data and then not publish?
Alex_PW - Today at 6:55 PM
Why did you need to rank the women and give them trophies?
Because doing so implies that some type of women are better than others
Which is wrong
Rozalia - Today at 6:56 PM
Because 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th places were the top and I put in the effort to make the thread more presentable
Alex_PW - Today at 6:57 PM
I'm not going to unlock your thread
Rozalia - Today at 6:57 PM
This isn't like we got German, French, Dutch, and whatever on top. 4 white as white girls. This was a varied thread with only 1 of the top spot being western european
Alex_PW - Today at 6:57 PM
If you can't figure out that treating women like animals is wrong, that's your problem
It's not about white or not
Rozalia - Today at 6:57 PM
Treating them like animals. Where does this happen?
Alex_PW - Today at 6:57 PM
See: both of your threads
Rozalia - Today at 6:57 PM
They are images
Alex_PW - Today at 6:57 PM
As I've already explained
Rozalia - Today at 6:58 PM
No harm is being inflicted, no saying that women are slaves or whatever you think is going on
Alex_PW - Today at 6:58 PM
If you want to do your sexist, racist, "lets rank women" thing, you can do it somewhere else
This has nothing to do with the Politics & War game
Rozalia - Today at 6:58 PM
Right. Let me guess however, you won't allow an avenue for people to tell you just how stupid it is huh
Just going to dish out warning
Alex_PW - Today at 6:58 PM
Are we not having a discussion?
Obviously we do not see eye to eye and we are not getting anywhere
Rozalia - Today at 6:59 PM
Clearly my words do not get through but perhaps others will
So will you allow a thread or not?
Alex_PW - Today at 6:59 PM
Clearly my words to you are not getting through
A thread for what?
More deciding what women are better than others, solely by their ethnicities?
Rozalia - Today at 6:59 PM
For people to tell you exactly what they think of this
Alex_PW - Today at 7:00 PM
If it's within the rules, sure
Rozalia - Today at 7:00 PM
It won't be as it'll be judged as a call out to admin/mods
Alex_PW - Today at 7:01 PM
Right, you can't create a call out thread
If you want to discuss the rules, propose changes, etc. those types of threads are allowed
I'm not sure you'll find much support for allowing racism/sexism/etc. on the forum, however
Rozalia - Today at 7:03 PM
Then I'm going to post a thread in general discussion with these logs included. We'll find out exactly what people think of all this.

Oh? We'll see then won't we. What you don't see is that I am not racist, and even my most hated enemies have to admit that as they have nothing on me. I promote love of men and women of other races. If that is racist then the term has no meaning.

So I'm going to post it very soon. Perhaps you'll want to defend yourself, but if it goes my way I do hope you will reconsider
Orbis central is fine yeah?
Alex_PW - Today at 7:04 PM
There's a difference between being a racist and providing a platform for racism
Orbis Central is not the correct forum to discuss or propose changes to the forum rules
That would be the Moderation Support subforum
And it is not a place to say "Hey, the mods did this, I don't like it, how many other people don't like it too?"
Rozalia - Today at 7:06 PM
Moderation support, right. People will be able to freely talk
Alex_PW - Today at 7:06 PM
That type of thread will be shut down immediately
If you have a specific proposal for a new forum rule, or a change to an existing rule
Or if you have a question about a rule
Moderation Support is the place to go
Rozalia - Today at 7:06 PM
I'm not quite seeing it though? I want my thread unlocked... are you saying I have to argue to remove the no racism rule?
Alex_PW - Today at 7:06 PM
We will not allow any open discussion about whether a mod decision was right or wrong
Yes I am saying that
Rozalia - Today at 7:07 PM
...
Alex_PW - Today at 7:07 PM
If you want your thread to be allowed, you need to appeal that rule
Rozalia - Today at 7:07 PM
HEHEHE What?
Alex_PW - Today at 7:07 PM
Because I have already told you
My interpretation of your thread is that it is both racist and sexist
That will not change
So unless you appeal to allow sexism/racism (hint: I won't change the rules to allow that)
You don't really have anywhere to post a thread about this
Rozalia - Today at 7:07 PM
So you aren't allowing a thread on it then because naturally I won't be appealing that because I don't see racism as acceptable. What I want to prove to you is to people out there, what I have done is not racist
Alex_PW - Today at 7:08 PM
"people out there" are not the moderators or administrators
The moderators and myself are the only ones who interpret and enforce the rules
Rozalia - Today at 7:09 PM
So to recap. I have to post in a specific subforum. I can't in anyway say a decision taken was wrong. In regards to my thread I have to argue to remove a rule I agree with and you have said you won't remove. What sort of fairness is this?
What are you so afraid of?
Alex_PW - Today at 7:09 PM
I have to go for now, but I reiterate, any thread calling out the moderators or disputing action taken by the mods will be immediately locked, and you will receive a warning point for violating the rules
Rozalia - Today at 7:09 PM
If your view is just you should have no issue.
Alex_PW - Today at 7:09 PM
The rules are what they are
I don't need to waste my time arguing with you or anyone else on the forum about this further
If you don't like it, don't use the forum
Otherwise, you must obey the forum rules and my enforcement, or you will be warned until you are permanently suspended from using the forums
Rozalia - Today at 7:10 PM
You are giving out warnings to somewhat promoting interracial love. You have no idea how stupid and racist you guys look. The actual racists love this, they chuckle at the stupidity of the anti-racists
Alex_PW - Today at 7:10 PM
You don't get to violate the rules simply because you don't agree with them
This has nothing to do with interracial love whatsoever
Rozalia - Today at 7:11 PM
Your "racism" has no meaning
If I'm racist then everybody is
Alex_PW - Today at 7:11 PM
This has to do with saying that some races (or ethnicities) are better than others
And forcing people to choose some as better than others
Then announing that based on your "results" some are better than others
Rozalia - Today at 7:11 PM
I suppose Miss World is the most racist thing out there huh
Alex_PW - Today at 7:12 PM
Like I said before, we're not getting anywhere here.
Rozalia - Today at 7:12 PM
Ah, can't answer that I see
Alex_PW - Today at 7:12 PM
If you don't like it, don't use the forums
If no one else likes it, they don't have to use the forums either
Rozalia - Today at 7:12 PM
So, is Miss World racist?
Alex_PW - Today at 7:12 PM
If everyone thinks you're right and I'm wrong, you can all stop using the forums
I don't know enough about Miss World to tell you, honestly
Rozalia - Today at 7:13 PM
?
Alex_PW - Today at 7:13 PM
I can say that I hate & disagree with beauty pageants in general
Rozalia - Today at 7:13 PM
You don't know a famous competition like that?
Alex_PW - Today at 7:13 PM
I've heard of Miss Universe
Idk what Miss World is, I assume it's similar
Rozalia - Today at 7:13 PM
Yeah, a beauty pageant with women from around the world
Well whatever it's called
You know what I'm talking about
Alex_PW - Today at 7:13 PM
But I have no idea how exactly they determine winners/losers
Rozalia - Today at 7:13 PM
Is it racist?
Alex_PW - Today at 7:13 PM
I would argue no, because those competitions are about the individual women moreso than the places they represent
Rozalia - Today at 7:14 PM
You're running is what you're doing. You know how silly calling that racist is.
Alex_PW - Today at 7:14 PM
Your post just uses blanket ethnicities
Rozalia - Today at 7:14 PM
Right.
Alex_PW - Today at 7:14 PM
Miss Universe also peers into the women's views and beliefs on things, their interests, etc.
Your post doesn't do that, it's only about their looks
Again, I have to go
Back to my last point: if you don't like my handling of this, don't use the forums, because the decision is final
Rozalia - Today at 7:15 PM
I'm sure you do. I'm going to go and get warned and then we'll see how it goes from there. I will be promoting all of you as racists, in future, believe me.
Because that is what you are
Women from different races are great
Been with many
That is what my threads promote
The images were done for a mag I believe to show how women from all over are great
You say that what they did was wrong. I had far-right guys go for Turkic women and other types.
Things like this help open eyes to the great people out there
You and the far-left types however are full of hatred and deem it unacceptable
No wonder you guys these days want segregation