Drift - Today at 1:40 AM
Still up?
KOed - Today at 1:40 AM
Yup, just chilling with the gf
Drift - Today at 1:42 AM
Ah
I posted my final thoughts and response about what happened earlier, and wanted to ask if you could look at it  and approve/comment
KOed - Today at 1:43 AM
eh, idc, I never wanted rules and guidelines to exists
the two peeps moved on and brushed it aside
I wouldn't stress so much about it, but I'm not gonna feel any need to change it or have any say on it
Drift - Today at 1:44 AM
alright
works for me
KOed - Today at 1:45 AM
Just leave it alone now, the noise and outrage over it only exists if you choose to make it at this point
They ain't kids, I thik we all know why what happened happened
Drift - Today at 1:46 AM
Well
KOed - Today at 1:46 AM
So let it slide, make like the Big Lebowski and be a dude
Drift - Today at 1:47 AM
Knowing why it happened is why I felt making that statement to clarify everything was worth it
I don't think anyone is continuing to yell about anything at this point
KOed - Today at 1:48 AM
Well yeah, I just feel like it was clear as day, so all you've really done is make a bigger deal about things everyone decided they were cool with
Drift - Today at 1:48 AM
The thing is
It wasn't
KOed - Today at 1:49 AM
I'm not going to be a dick and undercut you publicly, but I do want you to know, going forward, there's a zero moderation policy
Drift - Today at 1:49 AM
It very clearly seemed like some bad shit was happening
KOed - Today at 1:49 AM
There coula been, cooler heads prevailed, and the peeps involved moved on
So that begs the question: why aren't we, you know, moving on?
Drift - Today at 1:49 AM
Nah
Because I talked to both
And from what I heard, both were just acting
And that bothered me
KOed - Today at 1:50 AM
I knoooooow they were
Drift - Today at 1:50 AM
Because A. like hell that looks like just acting
KOed - Today at 1:50 AM
Jeez, and they both were open and obvious with that afterwards
doood
Drift - Today at 1:50 AM
B. say something
KOed - Today at 1:50 AM
it's text
in a box
Drift - Today at 1:52 AM
Text in a box can have an affect on people
If that wasn't a play, someone would have been hurt
And yes, they were open about it after
But not when people came around to say "hey, this is getting bad"
KOed - Today at 1:52 AM
Yeah, but that's why we just moved on
if anyone had more grievances they coulda said
but they didn't
Drift - Today at 1:52 AM
So this puts the mods in the position of having moderated unnecessarily
KOed - Today at 1:52 AM
You aren't the one with the right to voice those grievances
Drift - Today at 1:52 AM
That's my issue
I don't like being told it was a joke after everything's been torn down
KOed - Today at 1:53 AM
it is an issue if it goes against the first thing I pinned to the server, my fren, this is just a place for peeps to chat, no seriousness meant(edited)
You're the only one getting offended so please, tranquilo
If they had it would be different
But by being uninvolved and making it an issue, you are the issue
That is the reality of the issue based on the people I've spoken to, that it was all cool, everyone moved on
Drift - Today at 1:55 AM
Yet there's one more piece
I got involved when I stopped it
That's when I became part of the issue
KOed - Today at 1:55 AM
I do't wanna fall out with you, but I generally don't care about this and don't see it as the issue you do
Drift - Today at 1:55 AM
Then answer me this
KOed - Today at 1:55 AM
It's cool to disagree, but my say is final, if we have to get into issues of moderation
Drift - Today at 1:56 AM
Do you consider it an issue that I acted to stop it in the first place?
And yes, that's why I went to you to confirm this
KOed - Today at 1:58 AM
I don't think so, but it didn't have to be done as an issue of moderation, it was an issue of common sense. They woulda come to that realisation soon if someone hadn't said something. That's my genuine belief on the subject. Anyone in the server had the right to say that and considering things, I'm glad you did. Now it's happened though and we all learned a little about each other for it, there's no reason to formalise it
That's my opinion
Drift - Today at 1:58 AM
I see
What I was thinking is
I did stop it
They just stopped talking and left because I said it and you and wilf backed me up
I don't want that
KOed - Today at 2:00 AM
I think you're just giving them too little credit, they aren't blind idiots who can't see the ther person's position. We didn't have to talk about it cause we all already knew.
Drift - Today at 2:00 AM
I didn't?
KOed - Today at 2:00 AM
We're intelligent people, I trust epople to be that if they prove otherwise, fine, but let people prooove that. This was an exclusion, rather than the rule
Drift - Today at 2:01 AM
And I saw that people won't prove that?
That when I came in with concerns, they took it as being disapproved of and forced to stop?
I want to formalise that people should prove themselves if questioned
So that I or others can voice concerns without ending up pushing anyone around
KOed - Today at 2:03 AM
Well, they did move on quickly when there was a consensus, I don't want people to stop because it makes one person uncomfortable, cause that's a terrible precedent
That's fine
That's how it should be
It's 2am and I can't continue a circular discussion, but since this became a moderation issue, that's it, that's the standard in stone noow
I'm the only admin now, I don't want it to be needed again and it prolly won't be, now make like a tree and leaf it alone
Drift - Today at 2:08 AM
One last thing, then
I don't want things to happen because of one person's voice or even a consensus
I want them to happen because something is a genuine issue for the people involved
And I saw them stop because of tyranny of the majority, not because there was anything actually wrong
I don't want that to happen again, without preventing people from voicing any concerns
That's my side of it, now I'll go with your decision
KOed - Today at 2:13 AM
Drift, I don't doubt you meant well, I just believe meaning well is a path often left as unobstructed as possible, and that's what I want in life in general. We all cool, I just wanna avoid making mountains outta molehills, and if that leads to having to deal with something down the line, so be it, but I think this was perfectly dealt with about as well as it coulda been, without the ol' miraculous hindsight 20/20. If it happened again then I'd be wrong and then you'd be 100% in the right, but I lean towards the phrase 'crossing that bridge when we come to it'. Now we can't know, since it has been said, but the best way to move on's been made, let's just chillax and hang, hopefully without anyone in the server trying to hang each other ^^
Drift - Today at 2:14 AM
Gotcha ^^
All I want to do is prevent tyranny  of the majority and keeping things from being stopped when they can be clarified
I can do that, moderation or not, anyway, that message still stands
bleh, now I'm just antsy