Dargoo vs Verlux

Darg R1

Athro vs Bitch

* Athro has no feats for sensing and fighting in the dark, so he would have trouble identifying Bitch from afar

* Bitch's dogs can track invisible foes and find someone with camouflage powers in a forest, so they can track Arthro

* Wolves have a good senses in general

* Athro lacks the strength to stop Bitch's dogs coming at him

* Athro's strikes aren't enough to take down the dogs

* Grappling the dogs is a death sentence due to their claws and teeth

* The dogs are strong enough to knock vans into reinforced, bulletproof glass

* The dogs' claws are very sharp

* The dogs have better grappling than Arthro

* Athro has a habit of exchanging blows with an opponent and running into hazards against large monsters

* Athro might have good speed scaling but will prioritize landing hits rather than avoiding them

* He and his mount have no notable movement speed feats

* Bitch's dogs can be used as a mount and are generally agile

* The dogs scale to being faster than someone who can intercept throwing knives

* They can attack Athro at multiple angles with their tail and piercing

* Athro has no piercing resistance

* Athro's best durability feat is vague

* The dogs can recover from hits that send them flying and from people who can shatter marble

* The dogs can take knives and fight through swords being jammed into their heads

* Rachel can heal one dog from being impaled

* Snort's fire isn't good enough to take down the dogs

Stalker vs Nanashi

* Nanashi exerts himself moving through a forest and jumping over a ravine

* Stalker can use her shadow state to travel long distances, letting her keep up with trucks that weren't moving slowly

* Stalker is a good runner, can use her powers to go up walls, and can jump 15 ft

* Nanashi will struggle locating Stalker in the dark

* Nanashi won't get a chance to engage in melee and his only ranged option is ineffective

* Stalker can snipe Nanashi with tranq bolts at range from vantage points

* An echolocator struggles avoiding getting sniped by Stalker

* Nanashi has been tagged by slow attacks and his scaling is OOT

* If Nanashi tries to deflect the bolts, they can phase through his sword

Foil vs Roland

* Roland has no movement speed feats and Foil is an athletic runner, at best they get to ranged spawns at the same time

* Roland's melee feats rely on reading moves from slower opponents and he has no feats for reading a swordsman

* Foil's power in timing and deflection would let her keep up with Roland

* She's fast enough to load and fire a crossbow before someone can point a gun at her and can catch an arrow across a rooftop with her powers

* Foil has the reach and advantage in melee with her rapier and is very precise

* Foil has good piercing

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Verl R1

Athro vs Bitch

* Whacker hits super fucking hard

* Athro is definitely strong enough to put down the dogs with his strikes (no citation given for demon weight)

* Athro has to be outright killed or he keeps on trucking

* Athro has good speed scaling

* Athro can see in the dark

* Athro's swings will definitely have the stopping power to put down the dogs

* The pig can keep up with a horse (no citation)

* The dogs love charging in, so they just run into the flail slamming into them

* Athro is durable enough to tank an 8000 pound demon swinging him into a wall (no citation for weight)

* The dog's durability scaling isn't as impressive as presented

Stalker vs Nanashi

* Nanashi can keep up with an Akita, which can move at short distances speeds of 28 mph and a sustained speed of 19 mph

* Nanashi has good combat speed scaling

* Nanashi has good piercing and strength

* Stalker's speed feat has no reference for how fast it actually is and she can bypass terrain which makes her scaling to the truck's speed more suspect

* Nanashi has good night vision as he was able to keep up in the dark with a dog in snowy conditions

* The echolocation feat isn't good as presented and Nanashi only gets hit by the whip when the floor under him gives out

* Roland has running feats

* Roland has directional awareness and good night vision, Foil has nothing like this that would aid her getting to spawn

* Strong guns

* Shoots fast

* The given running feat for Foil isn't impressive at all and relies on a grappling hook to travel fast

* Roland reaches spawn first as he has good running endurance and is a tall man while Foil is a young girl who tires easily

* Foil relies on her powers to be efficient against normal humans while Roland has naturally good reflexes

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Darg R2

Athro vs Bitch

* Other than night vision, no other sense feats were given for Athro and his mount, so the dogs track him down first thanks to their hearing and smell

* Bitch won't be on top of her dogs in actual combat

* None of Athro's feats are enough to put down the dogs in one hit and can just healed back

* Bastard would shrug off Athro's hits

* Bitch's dogs are even in speed with Athro since they also scale to dagger timing

* Athro doesn't avoid damage so the dogs hit him first or they hit each other at the same time

* The dogs can trip him

* Athro's durability feats aren't good

* The dogs can dismember Athro or use blunt force to kill him

* Verlux ignores the actual part of the feat is is destroying the marble and oak table

* If Athro hit as hard as Verlux claims he does, the mace would go straight through the dog and the rest of the mass would hit and kill him

* The most Athro has actually ever moved was 600 pounds over a vague distance

* Either Athro swings super hard and 4 million pounds of mass hit him and he dies and Bitch lives or he just dies since he doesn't hit that hard

* Grip strength doesn't translate to striking strength

* Athro won't grapple against a large monster, but if he does try to grapple, he loses

Stalker vs Nanashi

* Nanashi's night vision feat isn't hard for a regular person to navigate

* Even assuming artistic license, he's only running in a straight line and following a dog that has better night vision than him and the path ahead doesn't have any trees for him to avoid

* He has no answer to Stalker's camouflage

* Keeping up in a sword fight doesn't mean he scales to Luo's jumping ability

* His actual shown jumping feats aren't good whereas Stalker has explicitly good jumping

* She's accurate

* The dog clearly isn't moving 19-28 mph and Stalker has actual speed feats

* Even a truck that isn't moving slowly should still be faster than the average person running

* The crow example is dumb, crows are fast and ignore speed limits

* Luo scaling doesn't mean Nanashi can avoid a bolt fired from stealth or from the inside of another object

Roland vs Foil

* Foil can outrun soldiers

* She can catch an arrow across a rooftop, while she uses her reading to achieve her speed feats, so does Roland

* One of Roland's only reflex feats is not tripping down stairs while running in the dark, but Verlux argues he can see in the dark, so this is just a man running down stairs vaguely fast

* Roland gets dominated in melee

* Opponents get a full tour of the island beforehand, so finding a straight path isn't hard for either of them

* Roland doesn't have movement speed feats, only endurance feats, and so does Foil

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Verl R2

Athro vs Bitch

* Flail kill dog with hit to face

* See Athro first doesn't matter in a melee fight where your only move is to charge in

* Bitch lacks night vision so she won't be able to effectively order her dogs around

* Athro one shots dogs when they bite him

* Athro won't die to his win con since his flail is taking the force and its magical super metal

* Mead feat good

* Dogs aren't durable enough

* Table feat vague

* Knife feat vague

* Tripping feat bad

Stalker vs Nanashi

* Forest is dark, movie lights it up for audience to see

* Jump scaling valid

* Cliff jump isn't bad

* Stalker speed vague

* Stalker's accuracy isn't as good as presented

* Cinematic timing

* Horse feat good

Roland vs Foil

* Roland has good pain tolerance

* Roland has good reflexes and can shatter Foil's arm when she comes into range

* Foil speed vague

* A brief tour isn't enough to recollect the island perfectly

* Opponent is a hypocrite

* Foil relies on tools for strenuous actions

* Foil speed vague

* Dim moonlight=/=pitch black darkness

* Roland's reflexes feats are independent to his reading

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Judgements

Athro vs Bitch

Dargoo has a pretty strong start, as he gives an in-depth layout on Bastard's physicals and capabilities. I'm convinced Bitch will be able to track down Athrogate easily, but as Verlux mentions, her lack of ranged options doesn't make this that big of an advantage when both sides will be see each other when Bastard charges in. Verlux also decently counters the idea that Athrogate doesn't pack enough stopping power to bring down Bastard with numerous striking feats, but this brings us to my biggest issue with Verlux's arguments: he straight up doesn't cite some important things. Athrogate's flail explodes hard enough to disintegrate red wyrm scales? Cool, but you don't actually explain how the "LESSER wyrm" you're scaling off of is actually inferior to the red wyrm. Athrogate is strong enough to stop the swing of an 8000 pound demon and can hammer toss a 6000 pound demon? Wow sounds strong, except you actually never even give the scans showing that they even weight that much. And Dargoo brings up a good point in that Athrogate's hell pig has no speed feats, which you rebut with that it keeps with horses, but you don't fucking show the feat of it keeping up with a horse.

Fortunately for Verlux, his lack of actual scans for these feats is alleviated by him providing scans for other feats or at least valid arguments. While I don't buy the hell pig is as fast as a horse, Verlux points out that Athro's mobility isn't important in this fight. And while I'm not convinced by Verlux's calc or "something something strong enough something something X thousand pound demon" feat, he at least provides other feats like the keg feat being compared against a 50 cal to show that Athrogate hits fucking hard.

So, basically this matchup boils down to Bitch finds Athrogate first, he sees them coming at him, Bastard pounces and gets destroyed by Athrogate obliterating his head. Verlux has me convinced that the durability of the dogs are vague and rely on scaling which is also vague or just bad. Verlux also convinces me that Athrogate is probably faster by pointing out the difference in their throwing knife deflecting feats. Verlux's feat at least is done in close quarters whereas the distance for Dargoo's feat is unknown. So at worst, they're even in speed and the flail connects with the dog's jaw at the same time, or Athrogate is faster and hits the dog first. Both just ends with a dead dog. Athrogate wins.

Stalker vs Nanashi

This battle hinges on if Shadow Stalker can reach her weapons first or not. It's pretty clear that she has no chance in a melee fight whatsoever. Nanashi is the quicker fight in close quarters and will one shot with a single sword stroke. On the other hand, Shadow Stalker has a large advantage in stealth and her shadow abilities letting her arrows effectively phase through walls or trees isn't something Nanashi is prepared to handle. So in their respective preferred distance to fight, they dominate the other.

The movement speed argument is the most important aspect and heated part to this matchup. Verlux tries to bring into question on the truck feat's vagueness, but Dargoo shuts down his crow comparison pretty effectively. While we don't have an exact speed for the trucks, they're at the very least "not moving slowly" which is at least better than a person's running speed. On the other hand, I don't think Nanashi can move as fast as Verlux claims he can. While a real life Akita is capable of running 19-28 mph, the akita in the scene and Nanashi clearly aren't moving that fast. While I may not buy that Nanashi is only running at 6 mph, I also don't buy that he's going 19-28 mph. And early into the debate, Dargoo brings up a good point in that Nanashi has to visibly exert himself in this feat whereas Shadow Stalker in both her truck and outrunning a gangster feat has her use minimal effort. Also the horse feat clearly doesn't have Nanashi running as fast as a horse considering he's immediately outsped by the goons on the horses once they dismount him.

I think Dargoo also did a good job in arguing against Nanashi's night vision. Not only is the scene clearly not that dark, even taking into account artistic licensing, Nanashi is running in a straight line, following a dog that has better senses than him, and there aren't any obstacles like trees in his straight path.

So as is, I'm convinced Shadow Stalker gets to the ranged spawn first with her superior mobility in both speed and jumping, and abuses the fact she's practically invisible to Nanashi by sniping him through walls. Shadow Stalker wins.

Foil vs Roland

This is somewhat similar to the previous matchup in where one opponent has the overwhelming ranged advantage and the other has the overwhelming close quarters advantage, but this time Verlux's character has the ranged advantage and Dargoo's has the melee advantage. And to spice things up, the movement speed arguments are even worse than the previous one's

Both opponents lack any actual noteworthy movement speed feats. Dargoo points out that Rolands's movement speed feats are just endurance feats and Verlux points out that Foil's "outrun a crowd of soldiers" feat doesn't even show her outrunning anything and her actual running feats show her getting tired and have her admit she relies on grappling hooks usually to traverse fast. So both sides have nonexistent running speed feats. However I lean towards Roland in this case, as he at least has running endurance feats to show he can keep running for a long time while Foil has been shown to tire out after running. And while "my character is a tall man and your character is a girl, so my character is faster" would in most cases be a really bad argument, in this case where there's nothing else, it's the best we have.

Basically, Roland gets to his guns first and shoots Foil really fast. Roland wins.

Verlux wins 2-1.