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<@Joey> hmm so this is the first time that Mueller supoenas docs from Trump's businesses....does that mean eventually we'll get to see some fucking tax returns?
Topic set by AndroidUS!~AndroidUS@32.209.148.69 on Thu Mar 15 2018 17:24:45 GMT-0700 (PDT)
17:40	AndroidUS	here's trouble
17:40	Sneakysne	Anticipation is a source of much human suffering.
17:41	Sneakysne	Mueller has likely had Trump's tax returns since last summer.
17:41	Sneakysne	Whether or not the American people ever see them seems independent of this most recent subpoena.
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<@Joey> hmm so this is the first time that Mueller supoenas docs from Trump's businesses....does that mean eventually we'll get to see some fucking tax returns?
Topic set by AndroidUS!~AndroidUS@32.209.148.69 on Thu Mar 15 2018 17:24:45 GMT-0700 (PDT)
17:51	dez_	Sure
17:51	dez_	With 9mm weapons
17:52	dez_	And military tactics
17:52	Popper	can't police officers be criminals dez_?
17:52	Popper	dez_, your "thinking skills" always surprise me
17:52	dez_	They can but the point is that they were using police issued and restricted guns
17:53	Popper	and..?
17:53	dez_	And some rightwingers defend those milicianos as bringing stability to slums
17:53	Popper	"some"?
17:53	dez_	And it means the state at least condoned it
17:53	dez_	People like bolsonaro
17:54	dez_	Others are less open about it
17:54	Popper	dez_, some people think maduro is a great leader, does that mean ALL LEFT-WINGERS think that?
17:54	Popper	no dez_
17:54	dez_	Whatever popper
17:54	dez_	Btw
17:54	Popper	dez_, you want to generalize about them, you want to stereotype people you disagree with
17:54	dez_	Im quitting politics
17:54	dez_	You stereotype me as someone from psol all the time
17:55	Popper	I doubt it, if you do someone even dumber will get IN politics, this is brazil afterall
17:55	dez_	Lol
17:55	dez_	Dont worry
17:55	Popper	dez_, that's because you OPENLY SYMPATHIZE with PSOL all the time
17:55	dez_	Ill still troll you online
17:55	Joey	hey no one can claim crazier politics than the US...fuck we have Trump!
17:55	dez_	No i do not
17:55	Popper	dez_, thanks
17:55	dez_	You idiot
17:56	dez_	Trump level thinking
17:56	Popper	Joey, trump would be a breeze here
17:56	dez_	Ive said more than once i hate trotskyists
17:57	dez_	And "some" is not a generalization
17:57	Joey	let's put it this way...he goes to a fund raiser right. Lies to the very people he wants money from they know it's a lie and they still give him money....if that isn't fucked up I don't know what is.
17:57	dez_	Numbskull
17:57	Popper	dez_, c'mon dez_ I've talked to you about freixo
17:57	Popper	dez_, the causes you support are probably full of PSOL people
17:57	dez_	Youre a moron
17:57	Joey	"Hey I'm a con man! Give me your money!"
17:57	dez_	Im leaving it at that
17:57	Popper	Joey, we have politicians who order other people murdered, get caught and never go to prison
17:58	dez_	Such as who Popper
17:58	Joey	murder....pfffft petty shit...
17:58	Popper	dez_, mayor of small town in the northeast
17:58	dez_	We have politicians who try to bomb places with homemade bombs
17:58	Joey	we can deal with murder....but liars? apparently not
17:58	|werejag|	murder the liars
17:58	dez_	And may become president
17:59	dez_	We also have politicians who stalk harass and shoot journalists
17:59	Joey	heh werejag seriously man we give them money....and make them president
17:59	dez_	Themselves
17:59	dez_	And the media says nothing
17:59	Joey	now that's some politics there
17:59	dez_	Theyre the self define brazilian liberal movement
18:00	dez_	That is conservative
18:00	dez_	And associated with the koch brothers
18:00	Joey	nah we don't shoot our journalists just call them fake and actually have people believe the politician and not the journalists.....that's fucked up man
18:00	dez_	Self defined
18:00	Sneakysne	Popper: Please grade Trump's presidency so far on a scale of [0,1].
18:01	Sneakysne	I'm not sure my score, maybe 0.2.
18:01	Sneakysne	He hasn't actively killed that many people, so there needs to be range below his score in those case in which the POTUS has pogroms, launches nuclear missiles against American targets, etc.
18:01	dez_	Sneakysne: that may change with the new state department
18:02	Sneakysne	dez_: Why?
18:02	dez_	Hawk
18:02	Sneakysne	Pompeo?
18:02	fieryUSA	something tells me the american nuclear arsenal is preprogrammed to NOT destroy american targets, it doesn't matter what trump's crazy ass might say.
18:02	dez_	Wants war with iran and regime change in north korea
18:02	dez_	Yes pompeo
18:02	Sneakysne	I don't know a great deal about Pompeo, but my understanding is that he's a bad guy.
18:03	Sneakysne	He appears to have low empathy, high factionalism, and high authoritarianism.
18:03	dez_	Thats basically it
18:03	dez_	Yes
18:03	Sneakysne	This is generally the worse cognitive profile a person can have.
18:03	dez_	Yes
18:03	Sneakysne	It doesn't seem Americans have a range of wonderful options.
18:04	dez_	Its shit everywhere
18:04	Sneakysne	The most effective is to have a Blue Wave in 2018 Nov.
18:04	Popper	dez_, I wonder how many PSOL people will fight for these poor criminals, driven to execute marielle because of society
18:04	Sneakysne	However, the nation needs injunctive relief from the GOP.
18:04	dez_	Popper: eat a dick
18:04	Popper	dez_, these are the biggest victims afterall
18:04	Sneakysne	Popper: I put you on ignore.
18:04	Sneakysne	Reason: You appear to be participating in factionalist musings the goal of which is to divide Americans from one another.
18:05	dez_	I refer to my previous statement
18:05	Sneakysne	Which ways can American receive injunctive relief from the GOP?
18:05	dez_	Dicks not eaten yet popper
18:05	Sneakysne	The range would appear to be 'wait until Nov' or 'use weapons to kill and terrorize members of the GOP who are in government'.
18:06	Joey	how long is it going to be before Trumpo fires Mueller?
18:06	Sneakysne	dez_: Please reward rational behavior while punishing factional behavior.
18:06	Sneakysne	or = to
18:06	dez_	I feel bad for you
18:07	Sneakysne	The Declaration of Independence requires a long train of usurpations before 'use of weapons to kill and terrorize members of the government' is advocated.
18:07	dez_	Its probably shitty to be so dumb
18:07	Sneakysne	I believe that we have a long train of usurpations, however there is light by 2018 Nov.
18:07	dez_	Can you open a fridge Popper ?
18:07	Sneakysne	I think that if the 2018 Nov election is meddled with by members of the GOP, the Framers would advocate the use of violence against those members of the GOP in government.
18:07	dez_	Its not a monster and it wont eat you
18:08	Sneakysne	dez_: It's strange to watch you reward factional behavior.
18:08	Sneakysne	You need to have good ideals and the will to see those ideals instituted.
18:08	Sneakysne	Anti-factionalism is the *core* American trait.
18:08	Sneakysne	You can practice right now.
18:08	dez_	Raindonna
18:09	Sneakysne	I see. You're a factionalist yourself.
18:09	dez_	America today is very factionslist
18:09	Sneakysne	My error -- I misjudged you.
18:09	Sneakysne	Please proceed, governor.
18:09	Sneakysne	(Most humans are factionalists)
18:09	Sneakysne	Humans begin to move past factionalism in stage 5 of Kohlberg's model.
18:10	dez_	The level of bickering in american politics is higher
18:10	Sneakysne	You'll notice that stage 6 factionalism is the complete transcendent of factionalism, explicitly relying on the categorial imperative.
18:10	dez_	Omg email in private server
18:10	Sneakysne	dez_: I put you on ignore.
18:10	Sneakysne	Reason: I am not valuing your content.
18:11	Sneakysne	I can unilaterally do this because it is consistent with the categorical imperative, i.e. I can wish that all people unilaterally control their social interactions simultaneously.
18:11	Sneakysne	I apologize for being substantially smarter than most of this channel's inhabitants.
18:12	Sneakysne	That's a recurring source of stress for most human communities.
18:12	Joey	heh raindonna spouting
18:12	Joey	let him rant on so that blah blah blah
18:13	Joey	whatever gave you that idea?
18:13	Joey	his logic is insurmountable.
18:14	Sneakysne	When the gap between the intelligence of a community member excessively exceeds the average of the community leaders, that member will generally be able to point out patterns in leadership that the leaders wish to obfuscate from the community at large.
18:14	Sneakysne	Generally because those hidden patterns are leveraged as a source of ongoing power.
18:14	Joey	also totally nonsequitur
18:14	Joey	a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.
18:15	Joey	but hey play along....
18:15	Sneakysne	Joey: I put you on ignore.
18:15	Sneakysne	I wanted to engage you, but I am punishing you for using an epithet.
18:16	Sneakysne	It appears the odds of good conversation occurring, at this point, are quite low.
18:16	Sneakysne	Therefore: