vs Seprix - Renaissance Cage Tournament - Patron

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amoffett11:  "no estates" there's only one in his deck?
xtruffles:  lol yeah but still I guess it was unfortunate he drew both his trashing cards together
amoffett11:  I just don't know what he's complaining about with his draws
amoffett11:  these seem fairly standard
amoffett11:  with where the decks are
not seprix:  City quarter patron
not seprix:  My favourite :3
xtruffles:  idk he didn't even get to hit 4 on t3/t4
xtruffles:  who dis
definitelynotseprix:  I think he's going to talk himself into resigning, but I don't think things are that bad
not seprix:  time to start inventing inventors and popping off probably
Sharur:  sorry I'm going to be slow
Sharur:  this is hard
xtruffles:  is 100percentnotseprix in the room
definitelynotseprix:  no such thing
definitelynotseprix:  everyone is a little bit seprix
not seprix:  not me
xtruffles:  not me
not seprix:  on spend those villagers
not seprix:  :'(
definitelynotseprix:  could gain one province there. How much debt could Seprix take there? not much
definitelynotseprix:  Sharur is a little fortunate to kick off there I think
xtruffles:  There's still hope for Seprix if Sharur accidentally lowers piles
Sharur:  gg
Sharur:  sorry about that
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Seprix:  gg
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definitelynotseprix:  the lack of draw limits you here a bit
definitelynotseprix:  well, not a bit, a lot
WanderingWinder:  I would just like to note that there is a way to get Coffers off patron here
definitelynotseprix:  Gladiator?
SamE:  Two, in fact
WanderingWinder:  two ways even
WanderingWinder:  oh wait
WanderingWinder:  three even
xtruffles:  Ambassador and gladiator?
definitelynotseprix:  Gladiator you risk giving your opponent a coffer
WanderingWinder:  but two you can control
xtruffles:  and noble brigand?
WanderingWinder:  yeah
definitelynotseprix:  Noble Brigand the one you can't control
not seprix:  ambassador patron super combo
WanderingWinder:  Ambassador is the one my heart loves
folivora:  giving out patrons is intersting
definitelynotseprix:  and Ambassador being a not great idea probably
xtruffles:  idk if I want to give out patrons
WanderingWinder:  if the patrons are empty though
definitelynotseprix:  sounds like a fun puzzle to construct, have someone one coin short of a pileout
SamE:  I don't like potion
WanderingWinder:  there's no draw, and that's a problem
WanderingWinder:  I imagine you want to stay pretty thin and work the peddlers down
not seprix:  royal carriage is sort of draw eventually
WanderingWinder:  not really
xtruffles:  Not really
WanderingWinder:  I mean, you can get a bigger hand one turn at the cost of a smaller hand another turn
SamE:  Yeah this sohould totally just be amb money
folivora:  which is the most draw you can get here
not seprix:  might be worth it to get a bunch of merchant guilds in play
WanderingWinder:  "just be amb money" I don't know what that means
not seprix:  And then after one good royal carriage turn you can start greening
definitelynotseprix:  University/Royal Carriage and Potion are just slowing down your cycling
not seprix:  ofc after peddlers pile
definitelynotseprix:  I like picking up like Poachers instead
WanderingWinder:  carriage here to fling a potion
xtruffles:  me too
SamE:  One peddler per turn is super slow
xtruffles:  Poachers seem good to me
not seprix:  poachers don't seem very good to me
xtruffles:  Man Seprix has a lot of RC
not seprix:  At this point at least
not seprix:  seprix is going for the RC mega turn
definitelynotseprix:  what pile is going to empty if you're not mirroring the RC MG Peddler thing?
WanderingWinder:  what RC mega turn?
SamE:  RC on MG doesn't work btw
WanderingWinder:  peddlers will eventually empty anyway I assume
not seprix:  draw a bunch of cards, play a couple merchant guilds, gain a bunch of coffers and then green
WanderingWinder:  well, it gives youa money and a buy
WanderingWinder:  but not extra coffers
not seprix:  not really a mega turn I guess
not seprix:  But like, megaturnish
xtruffles:  I don't really see a megaturn
not seprix:  its coming in a couple turns
WanderingWinder:  buzz lightyear meme: "stop cards, stop cards everywhere"
WanderingWinder:  there's no megaturn
xtruffles:  lol
definitelynotseprix:  this is going to end on piles I think, they're going to get low and someone will just an opportunity to end ahead
not seprix:  fling two potions
WanderingWinder:  buy?
SamE:  Peddler
WanderingWinder:  yeah, I think so too
not seprix:  the mega turn is coming
not seprix:  all you non believers will see
folivora:  what's the RC split?
not seprix:  and by mega turn I mean bigger than average tirm
not seprix:  jk hes not going for it
WanderingWinder:  buying a province is bigger than average
WanderingWinder:  I would not call it mega
definitelynotseprix:  Seprix missed his chance for a coffer
definitelynotseprix:  Sharur could province here if he RC's Scavenger 3 times
WanderingWinder:  this doesn't look good for Sharur
xtruffles:  indeed
WanderingWinder:  he could also RC Merchant guild once and Scavenger twice
WanderingWinder:  that would give him an extra buy
WanderingWinder:  which he could spend on a copper
WanderingWinder:  to get a coffers
definitelynotseprix:  and Scavenger twice or thrice could give you some kind of next turn
SamE:  Not discarding?
xtruffles:  hmm
definitelynotseprix:  I don't know what's happening
xtruffles:  huh?
Sharur:  uh
Sharur:  what just happened?
Sharur:  did I click the wrong button?
Seprix:  no
definitelynotseprix:  ya
not seprix:  seems likely yeah
Seprix:  you topdecked your entire last turn
xtruffles:  what
Sharur:  ohh
Sharur:  I didn't realize I was topdecking anything
Sharur:  mind if I undo the last one?
Seprix:  sure
WanderingWinder:  the last one only?
definitelynotseprix:  I guess since his discard was only copper, when he chooses not to discard it just autochooses a copper
not seprix:  yeah who needs to put exactly the cards you want on your deck
definitelynotseprix:  his turn is still much worse than if he had selected 4 cards instead of 1
WanderingWinder:  ambing Merchant Guild seems bad to me there
xtruffles:  yeah
WanderingWinder:  because I *think* Seprix has better chances in the long game
SamE:  So 6 RC & 2 Scavenger province consistently
not seprix:  hmmm thats a neat deck
WanderingWinder:  what if you draw the second scavenger as your 5th card?
SamE:  That is the only exception
WanderingWinder:  it's like the scavenger/stash deck
WanderingWinder:  only a lot harder to set up
SamE:  Yup
SamE:  Gg
WanderingWinder:  win
Sharur:  gg
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Seprix:  gg
SamE:  Beggar Tower!
WanderingWinder:  beggar/tower, trade/feodum, what are we doing here?
WanderingWinder:  Seprix looks set to beggar/tower
SamE:  Loan/Patron too
definitelynotseprix:  he's planning on it yeah
WanderingWinder:  is loan/patron a thing?
WanderingWinder:  it doesn't seem like much of a thing
xtruffles:  what does sharur do?
WanderingWinder:  maybe it is
xtruffles:  royal seal/beggar?
WanderingWinder:  not sure what the royal seal really does for you
SamE:  Scavenger can set up Necromancer trashes
WanderingWinder:  to what end though?
not seprix:  double beggar open?
not seprix:  Are we just emptying coppers for tower
WanderingWinder:  yes
a10noit:  tower strats
WanderingWinder:  he'll just buy beggar every turn
Seprix:  please sir can I have some more
a10noit:  haha
definitelynotseprix:  too bad Emil isn't around anymore with his zany strategies
xtruffles:  :P
SamE:  Fail
Quickrick:  seems over already. what can sharur do
WanderingWinder:  ooh, farmland copper into beggar here?
SamE:  Top deck the only good card
SamE:  Draw it dead
not seprix:  loan patron super combo
definitelynotseprix:  where do you to end the game when the Beggar and copper are gone?
folivora:  csm?
not seprix:  well you've kinda won already
WanderingWinder:  it doesn't matter
a10noit:  +50 vp
WanderingWinder:  there's no coming back from that point deficit
WanderingWinder:  I guess technically feodum could outscore, but that's never happening
definitelynotseprix:  here maybe not, it's not fast enough ya
xtruffles:  hmm early province
definitelynotseprix:  but not always
WanderingWinder:  I think the problem usually for beggar/tower is if you can't get the coppers empty in time
Quickrick:  nice, lining up the necro for double
SamE:  Lucky Necro here
Quickrick:  and hovel/farmland
WanderingWinder:  not sure that was great
WanderingWinder:  if I were sep I think I'd be buying coppers now
WanderingWinder:  not that it matters
SamE:  Duchy is fine
SamE:  Here Farmland
WanderingWinder:  farmland into province here would be bad
Quickrick:  that's true
WanderingWinder:  I mean, again, he should win anyway
a10noit:  its risky
Quickrick:  no need to risk it though
WanderingWinder:  but the only way he loses is if the coppers don't empty fast enough
WanderingWinder:  so don't make the game shorter by provincing
SamE:  He already has a point lead
xtruffles:  it's still min 3 turns away from copper emptying
WanderingWinder:  he has a points lead, but it's still worse
WanderingWinder:  if the coppers empty, he simply can't lose
SamE:  Farmland worse than Duchy there
xtruffles:  why?
a10noit:  will seprix miss beggar for 3 turns?
WanderingWinder:  he could
SamE:  Loses a Copper
definitelynotseprix:  just buy coppers 3 times
Quickrick:  BUY COPPER
WanderingWinder:  bigger reason is the coppers might not run
Quickrick:  that got closer than I thought it would
WanderingWinder:  this was very sloppy at the end
Sharur:  lol that was amazing
WanderingWinder:  (farmland makes piles closer)
Sharur:  not sure I took the right approach to countering it anyway
Sharur:  but I'm glad it worked
Seprix:  I don't think beggar was winning there
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SamE:  I think it is
aku chi:  Can't Ferry Vampire. :(
WanderingWinder:  crossroads/Patron/Patrol?
SamE:  TMap gets Ferried this game
aku chi:  I suppose Ferry Butcher is the best opening.
SamE:  $6 to top deck both
WanderingWinder:  lots of options
a10noit:  crossroads/patrol/patron synergy
xtruffles:  man watching Seprix play sometimes, his draws are often terrible
definitelynotseprix:  and you always know because he'll tell you
xtruffles:  xD
Seprix:  you have to topdeck
WanderingWinder:  I'd like going for the Patron thing a lot more if there were another village
WanderingWinder:  as is I agree with Sam's call on T Maps at some point
SamE:  Patron + Crossroads is great
SamE:  Patron smooths out Crossroads' odd village effect
WanderingWinder:  topdeck two duchies here for the synergy?
WanderingWinder:  ;p
xtruffles:  seprix is not pg13 friendly
WanderingWinder:  I hope that's not news to you
SamE:  Ouch
aku chi:  Discarding Vampire seems odd to me.
definitelynotseprix:  SePg13
WanderingWinder:  top-decking?
definitelynotseprix:  can't trash Vampire if it's in your hand
WanderingWinder:  well sure, but it's a 1/10 chance of Locusts
a10noit:  think you want to draw v. plat butcher
SamE:  Yes
a10noit:  trash 4 copper
SamE:  Patrol Patron is nice
SamE:  Mostly because they're one letter apart
xtruffles:  hehe
definitelynotseprix:  what happened to Patrom though
definitelynotseprix:  must have been an outake
xtruffles:  patronus? harry potter themed expansion?
WanderingWinder:  I feel like this is over-terminal-ing
xtruffles:  lol
definitelynotseprix:  I like thinking about that Ferry TM map thing now
WanderingWinder:  it would take all the money
WanderingWinder:  well, I guess you can vamp for one of them to save $2
WanderingWinder:  at which piont you don't need to ferry
WanderingWinder:  so I guess that saves even more
xtruffles:  misery does hurt
WanderingWinder:  would have patroled there before patron, and moreover left patrol on my deck
WanderingWinder:  here you need to patrol again, right?
aku chi:  I would.
HvBoedefeld:  i think so. next hand looks dud
WanderingWinder:  so many patrols...
xtruffles:  so many terminals ;_;
aku chi:  The Patron thing is cute.
WanderingWinder:  this play order is all kinds of bad
WanderingWinder:  well, mostly just the one kind
WanderingWinder:  bad
aku chi:  Well, Sharur can now Butcher Patrols to Province.
WanderingWinder:  seprix should be scoring sooner rather than later, no?
WanderingWinder:  time is running out
WanderingWinder:  how close is Sharur to pileout?
WanderingWinder:  I guess not THAT close
folivora:  with vampire+butcher,not far.
WanderingWinder:  more like Ferry +T Fair
WanderingWinder:  though it all adds up
Quickrick:  gg
xtruffles:  yeah I think its gg
Sharur:  gg
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Quickrick:  2-2 right
aku chi:  Thank goodness for Guide.
xtruffles:  yeah
xtruffles:  patron / guide is nice
Quickrick:  what does patron and guide do
xtruffles:  I just meant thats what I would open
Quickrick:  got it
WanderingWinder:  beggar/rawr
WanderingWinder:  the last 5 beggar games I can remember, I've gotten it
WanderingWinder:  3 beggar/gardens
WanderingWinder:  and 2 beggar/guildhall
WanderingWinder:  (probably there are some others I'm forgetting though, it's usually pretty forgettable)
Quickrick:  ghost ship is really bad here
Quickrick:  not a super big fan of sharur's second gold either
aku chi:  Gold is a good card on this board, no?
aku chi:  Road Network should pay off.
Quickrick:  yeah, but at the time it seemed like getting encampments was more important
definitelynotseprix:  could grab a Flagbearer if you're Sharur
definitelynotseprix:  or Seprix too
xtruffles:  Seprix has no guide now
definitelynotseprix:  he is at the mercy of his new shuffle
Quickrick:  bad time for not having a guide too
wharf_rat:  wasn't sure about playing the 2nd ranger
definitelynotseprix:  and his journey token the wrong way
xtruffles:  could sharur double province?
xtruffles:  seems likely
definitelynotseprix:  can't really province here can you?
wharf_rat:  fairgrounds at 4
xtruffles:  nope
definitelynotseprix:  not knowing Seprix's hand
aku chi:  Not having Road Network here hurts.
wharf_rat:  12 uniques, I think
definitelynotseprix:  could go Fairground/RN?
xtruffles:  feels a little late for RN? idk maybe itd pay off
definitelynotseprix:  I'd get RN. If your opponent buys double green, it increases your chances of double provincing
Quickrick:  why discard that hand
willtrace4money:  that was an interesting guide
definitelynotseprix:  and if you don't get it, every time you double green to stay even, they're drawing
xtruffles:  ouch
willtrace4money:  you don't get to expect good draws here
Quickrick:  save the guide
definitelynotseprix:  yikes
xtruffles:  yiiikes
WanderingWinder:  priceisrightfail.mp3
Sharur:  gg
Quickrick:  lol
Sharur:  I can't believe I won that game
Quickrick:  someone was not happy
definitelynotseprix:  crickets
Sharur:  definitely thought you played it better
xtruffles:  uh
xtruffles:  Seprix is not in the chat
definitelynotseprix:  crickets
Sharur:  oh he's not here >.<
Sharur:  chat on