1993 LGPS Polish GP commentary

18:08:33: <RMC_Feed> hello and welcome to the 1993 Life Grand Prix of Poland
18:08:33: <Stramala> IFRC? Life GP?
18:08:38: <Stramala> ah.
18:09:07: <RMC_Feed> after two very polished qualifying sessions (pun intended) we're ready to start the race
18:09:49: <RMC_Feed> it's currently raining and the forecasts point out to the conditions becoming even worse as the race progresses
18:11:36: <Stramala> how did JEV do?
18:11:49: <Stramala> (allez Voeckler!)
18:12:13: <Salamander> 2nd
18:12:16: <RMC_Feed> here are the qualifying results for thos who missed them before: http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc464/Nuppiz/F1C/93PolandQuali_zpsb060131b.jpg
18:12:21: <RMC_Feed> those
18:12:26: <Salamander> davies :D
18:13:04: <Stramala> ffs
18:13:11: <Stramala> Davies is roided up beyond belief
18:13:24: <klon> Mori pls
18:13:36: <Salamander> no
18:13:37: <klon> I should suspend his wage
18:13:41: <klon> ... if I was paying him anything
18:13:42: <Salamander> thats just his talent :)
18:13:43: <klon> dayum
18:13:44: <klon> :D
18:13:45: <Stramala> Evelyn Gomes made the race! :O
18:13:48: <RMC_Feed> one and a half minutes to start
18:13:58: <Salamander> holy shit
18:14:08: <Salamander> she qualified 20TH!? :O
18:14:17: <RMC_Feed> well the Caraxl she's driving doesn't need to prequalify :P
18:14:27: <RMC_Feed> 45 seconds
18:14:27: <Salamander> but 20TH!?
18:14:29: <dark77> Klon maybe mori would do well if you upgraded the fuggen car :P
18:14:41: <RMC_Feed> 30 seconds
18:14:57: <RMC_Feed> 15 seconds
18:15:02: <RMC_Feed> 10
18:15:03: <RMC_Feed> 9
18:15:04: <RMC_Feed> 8
18:15:05: <RMC_Feed> 7
18:15:06: <RMC_Feed> 6
18:15:07: <RMC_Feed> 5
18:15:07: <RMC_Feed> 4
18:15:08: <RMC_Feed> 3
18:15:10: <RMC_Feed> 2
18:15:11: <RMC_Feed> 1
18:15:14: <RMC_Feed> GO GO GO
18:15:15: <Stramala> boogity
18:15:33: <dark77> 3 stallers
18:15:34: <Salamander> "Vitantonio Liuzzi[/b] and [i]Rafael Suzuki"
18:15:36: <klon> Two stallers
18:15:38: <Salamander> good fuggen job klon :p
18:15:39: <Stramala> four
18:15:42: <Salamander> 5
18:15:46: <klon> shut up salamander :p
18:16:37: <RMC_Feed> JEV takes the lead into turn one!
18:17:01: <Stramala> http://i.imgur.com/NH0zEjj.gif
18:17:02: <Pasta> How many front row lock outs have FGCR had now? :D
18:17:33: <Stramala> JJD is talent talent talent? BS, JEV is ahead in the championship by 150% and also in the lead of this race :P
18:17:45: <Stramala> A L L E Z V O E C K L E R
18:18:00: <Salamander> so? who is the defending champ? :p
18:18:09: <Salamander> and who won 4 races in a row?
18:18:14: <Salamander> :p
18:18:25: <AllezVoeckler> try winning clean :P
18:18:38: <AllezVoeckler> we all know JJD gets preferential treatment at FGCR
18:18:43: <AllezVoeckler> and yet, he is behind JEV atm :D
18:18:46: <RMC_Feed> Anker and Capilé stall
18:18:59: <Salamander> because his car keeps exploding
18:18:59: <AllezVoeckler> W.Anker's day has come to an end prematurely
18:18:59: <Salamander> duh
18:19:04: <Salamander> also he was injured
18:19:21: <AllezVoeckler> maybe if he wasn't so rough on the engine, and didn't drive like crazy, these things wouldn't happen :P
18:19:29: <Salamander> riiight :p
18:19:29: <Pasta> AllezVoeckler To be fair, JJD's early accident has left them on equal treatment this year :P
18:19:33: <AllezVoeckler> JEV's driving is as smooth as a baby's arse :P
18:19:36: <RMC_Feed> Gomes hits VDM after T1 without any damage, but Fernandez then hits Gomes and loses his front wing
18:19:44: <Salamander> its a fucking lottery with these cars
18:19:47: <AllezVoeckler> Gomes is a moran
18:19:54: <AllezVoeckler> and I signed her as my test driver
18:19:55: <AllezVoeckler> lel
18:20:08: <AllezVoeckler> just as well my car never qualifies, ensuring di Longo never gets injured :P
18:20:16: <Salamander> :p
18:20:22: <Salamander> ingenious :p
18:21:22: <AllezVoeckler> indeed
18:21:35: <AllezVoeckler> it's so smart, nobody else even thought of it! :P
18:22:00: <RMC_Feed> Hashimoto's car breaks down on the middle of the track, Jong-Sung plows into him and loses his front wing
18:23:35: <EastLondoner> BAN JONG-SUNG
18:23:55: <EastLondoner> :P
18:23:58: <RMC_Feed> Davies regains the lead at the start of the second lap
18:24:42: <EastLondoner> What the fuck?!
18:24:53: <EastLondoner> Double points in the final race of the year?!
18:24:56: <EastLondoner> http://www.fia.com/formula-one-regulation-changes
18:24:57: <EastLondoner> :/
18:25:27: <FMecha> "Drivers will be asked to choose their race number"
18:25:58: <RMC_Feed> the younger Voeckler retires
18:26:03: <FMecha> "Drivers will be asked to choose their race number, between 2 and 99, for the duration of their career in the FIA Formula One World Championship. Number 1 will be reserved for the current World Champion, should he choose to use it."
18:26:29: <Salamander> haha take that jev :p
18:26:53: <RMC_Feed> younger
18:26:56: <Pasta> :(
18:26:58: <RMC_Feed> that means FMV, not JEV :P
18:27:04: <Pasta> Whats with all these Bullshit rules in F1?
18:27:15: <kevinbotz> What in the actual fuck?
18:27:15: <dark77> FIA being retards
18:27:19: <Pasta> the numbers is some pointless gimmick used in Nascar?
18:27:25: <Salamander> no, i mean davies took the lead from JEV :p
18:27:30: <Pasta> Double points is just fucking ridiculous
18:27:32: <EastLondoner> Fuck F1, seriously. :/
18:27:37: <dark77> ^
18:27:46: <kevinbotz> Did they...did they seriously fucking pass that measure?
18:27:47: <FMecha> how about the car number rule?
18:27:47: <klon> http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/9191/7nkx.jpg
18:27:49: <RMC_Feed> my opinion on these planned F1 rules: http://f1rejects.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=265570&f=3#p265570
18:27:51: <Salamander> meh, there are worse ideas
18:27:51: <kevinbotz> Double points?!?
18:28:02: <Pasta> DOUBLE POINTS
18:28:06: <Pasta> NO
18:28:06: <Salamander> im not gonna write them off just yet
18:28:14: <Salamander> ?
18:28:16: <AllezVoeckler> the numbers thing, I'm okay with
18:28:17: <Pasta> This isnt IndyCar or NASCAR or any other thing
18:28:19: <AllezVoeckler> but double points?
18:28:21: <AllezVoeckler> dafuq?
18:28:25: <Pasta> We dont need pointless gimmicks!
18:28:26: <dark77> F1 IS NOT JUST FOR FUCKING ENTERTAINMENT!!!!!!!!!!!
18:28:28: <dark77> :P
18:28:29: <Salamander> eh, again, im not too fussed
18:28:29: <Pasta> Numbers - a gimmick.
18:28:32: <kevinbotz> FIA
18:28:32: <AllezVoeckler> the number system is not NASCAR
18:28:33: <kevinbotz> PLS
18:28:34: <AllezVoeckler> is MotoGP
18:28:35: <kevinbotz> STAHP
18:28:46: <Pasta> Points - A stupid gimmick
18:28:47: <dark77> this is a bad idea, Official
18:28:51: <Pasta> MotoGP - Even fucking worse :P
18:28:54: <kevinbotz> stahp...stahp
18:28:55: <klon> sooo - F1 is now WWE, eh?
18:28:56: <AllezVoeckler> wat
18:29:06: <Salamander> im really not seeing the fuss here
18:29:11: <AllezVoeckler> r u saying u hatin on 46?
18:29:11: <Salamander> honestly
18:29:19: <dark77> Salamander you must be trolling
18:29:23: <Salamander> really
18:29:23: <Salamander> no
18:29:25: <klon> call me controversal, but I am
18:29:31: <klon> a world champion carries the number one!
18:29:31: <kevinbotz> Salamander, it's not necessarily the decision itself
18:29:37: <kevinbotz> it's the direction the sport's taking
18:29:40: <klon> that's the way it has been and forever will be
18:29:48: <klon> ... well, not anymore
18:29:49: <kevinbotz> that's pissing me off
18:29:50: <Pasta> :/
18:29:57: <Pasta> Exactly, kevinbotz
18:30:02: <Salamander> meh
18:30:04: <Pasta> These measures just aren't neede at all
18:30:08: <Pasta> *needed
18:30:11: <Salamander> its not that bad an idea
18:30:11: <dark77> i don't give a shite about numbers but goddamn, f1 is not nascar or indycar, it's a S P O R T!!!!
18:30:13: <Salamander> really
18:30:16: <klon> but wait?
18:30:18: <FMecha> this is getting horrible
18:30:22: <AllezVoeckler> why the fuck
18:30:24: <klon> is there something about a budget cap I am reading?
18:30:30: <FMecha> yep
18:30:31: <AllezVoeckler> does everybody give so many fucks about the numbers
18:30:34: <AllezVoeckler> but not the double points?
18:30:35: <klon> aces
18:30:37: <Salamander> at least this means vettel wont walk away like every other damn year
18:30:39: <klon> that's fair enough
18:30:39: <Pasta> Numbers? What the hell is wrong with the current system?
18:30:50: <Pasta> Who cares if people cant make money from associations with a number
18:30:54: <AllezVoeckler> anyway, at this rate, the exception for #1 won't be needed
18:30:59: <AllezVoeckler> Vettel will have it permanently anyway
18:31:02: <Salamander> BUDGET CAP?
18:31:04: <Salamander> BUDGET CAP!
18:31:06: <Salamander> YES
18:31:10: <Salamander> THIS IS WORTH EVERYTHING
18:31:13: <Pasta> AllezVoeckler Double points, ew
18:31:13: <AllezVoeckler> budget cap
18:31:14: <AllezVoeckler> of
18:31:14: <klon> Indeed it is
18:31:15: <AllezVoeckler> 300 million
18:31:16: <AllezVoeckler> :P
18:31:20: <kevinbotz> lel :P
18:31:22: <dark77> a budget cap means JACK SHIT if the series is going in this shitty direction
18:31:23: <Salamander> just dont fuck it up fia
18:31:27: <Salamander> this is all i ask
18:31:29: <AllezVoeckler> no way Ferrari will agree to any cap less than 100M
18:31:30: <AllezVoeckler> no way
18:31:30: <klon> ... given as Red Bull is presumed to spend even more than that
18:31:33: <Salamander> no
18:31:37: <kevinbotz> I'll take the retarded double points finish.
18:31:44: <Salamander> its red bull who are being bitches about the budget cao
18:31:45: <kevinbotz> If they can properly institute a budget cap
18:31:46: <klon> I mean, a cap of 150 would suffice already
18:31:46: <Salamander> cap
18:31:48: <AllezVoeckler> well
18:31:49: <AllezVoeckler> them too
18:31:50: <AllezVoeckler> basterds
18:31:55: <klon> okay
18:32:03: <klon> ... now to which rules to copy for Alt-F1
18:32:04: <Salamander> ferrari i recall actually being open to the idea
18:32:06: <AllezVoeckler> everyone that is not Red Bull, Ferrari, or McLaren, will likely be for it
18:32:08: <RMC_Feed> VDM making his way up, he's now 8th
18:32:12: <AllezVoeckler> hell, maybe even McLaren and Ferrari will be ok for it
18:32:27: <kevinbotz> Whitmarsh has made overtures towards a budget cap
18:32:28: <klon> well, the five-second penalty is already a thing
18:32:28: <AllezVoeckler> after all, it wouldn't surprise me if FIAT is bored of subsidising Ferrari's F1 efforts
18:32:32: <kevinbotz> It's just Red Bull
18:32:36: <klon> budget caps ain't happening
18:32:41: <klon> in alt-f1 that is
18:32:52: <AllezVoeckler> budget caps ain't happening in F1 either
18:32:53: <AllezVoeckler> because
18:32:55: <AllezVoeckler> Red Bull
18:32:57: <AllezVoeckler> cunts
18:32:59: <AllezVoeckler> just look at the tyres
18:33:01: <kevinbotz> basterds
18:33:03: <klon> and?
18:33:07: <AllezVoeckler> they bullied the FIA, FOM, Pirelli into changing it
18:33:08: <AllezVoeckler> just for them
18:33:25: <FIAaredumb> <<<<<<<<fact
18:33:26: <klon> you people are aware that a single team has little power left with the new developments
18:33:29: <RMC_Feed> wait wtf?
18:33:40: <RMC_Feed> what did Dave Smith just do?
18:33:42: <klon> because in this new strategy council, the teams can be easily outvoted by the FIA and FOM
18:33:49: <AllezVoeckler> voting power =/= influence
18:34:16: <klon> well, yeah
18:34:19: <AllezVoeckler> manipulation is the name of the game
18:34:31: <AllezVoeckler> and I'm sure Red Bull will be rehearsing their strategy already
18:34:32: <klon> but if the budget cap is on the agenda it means that someone is willing to duel with the bulls
18:34:51: <klon> and if that someone happens to be Todt himself ... well, here we go
18:34:58: <klon> anyway
18:34:59: <kevinbotz> well, at least they haven't passed "Eight-3"
18:35:20: <EastLondoner> There's gonna be so much bitching about the budget cap in the next year. :?
18:35:21: <EastLondoner> :/
18:35:31: <RMC_Feed> he went off the track, started driving through the forest that divides two sections of the track in a zigzag maeuver, rejoined the tarmac and then crashed into the barrier
18:35:37: <klon> for 2013 I am gonna go with the fixed number system - although I am gonna do it based on teams and not on drivers
18:35:40: <RMC_Feed> menauver*
18:36:02: <Pasta> Why does everyone love fixed numbers so muhc?
18:36:05: <Pasta> *much
18:36:14: <EastLondoner> I was OK with the changing numbers.
18:36:15: <RMC_Feed> MANEUVER*
18:36:18: <RMC_Feed> fuck
18:36:26: <Salamander> im indifferent to it
18:36:32: <Salamander> as i am towards the double points
18:37:00: <klon> I don't really, but given as this is the time where F1RWRS really started using changing numbers, I am gonna go for fixed numbers
18:37:09: <Salamander> fair enough
18:37:12: <FIAaredumb> Pasta i don't think F1 needs custom numbers but it's a TINY problem compared to the complete idiocy of double points
18:37:22: <Pasta> It's not so much the rules, its the fact the FIA think F1 needs these pointless gimmicks.
18:37:25: <Salamander> dark is overreacting
18:37:27: <Salamander> what a surprise
18:37:32: <klon> well, I don't like the double points for the finale since it's obvious that it is designed to stop Vettel
18:37:38: <FIAaredumb> no, F1 is not NASCAR
18:37:49: <Salamander> nascar doesnt have double points
18:37:56: <AllezVoeckler> NASCAR has nothing to do with the rules changes
18:37:57: <RMC_Feed> yellow flags
18:38:00: <AllezVoeckler> nothing.at.all
18:38:00: <klon> there is no real point in it other than having a champion as late as possible
18:38:01: <FIAaredumb> it has gimmicks, and this is one of them
18:38:07: <Salamander> no
18:38:11: <Salamander> it doesnt
18:38:13: <Salamander> *isnt
18:38:14: <AllezVoeckler> there is no rule being introduced that NASCAR has
18:38:23: <Salamander> indeed
18:38:25: <RMC_Feed> 'tis Ramone stranded in the first corner
18:38:39: <Pasta> These rules are like adding the chase to NASCAR
18:38:42: <Pasta> A gimmick no one wants
18:38:45: <AllezVoeckler> hardly
18:38:47: <klon> unless they go with Abu Dhabi as a fixed finale and want to make it the new crown jewel of F1 - then double points would be ... somewhat fair
18:38:58: <FIAaredumb> exactly pasta, it's the same kind of artificial bullshit
18:38:59: <AllezVoeckler> I think it's a bit silly, but it's no Chase
18:39:08: <kevinbotz> My problem with these new regulations, is that FIA/FOM seem determined that spectacle has to be artificially manufactured in F1.
18:39:14: <klon> but right now they are "stop dominating teams from winning the title" rules
18:39:15: <kevinbotz> Now if it worked, that'd be fine.
18:39:48: <FIAaredumb> there is no reason to make double points for the last race other than to appeal to retards who just want excitement
18:39:50: <kevinbotz> But it won't, because this is the FIA and the FOM, and there's going to be an inevitable disparity between the desired outcome and reality.
18:39:51: <RMC_Feed> Sam Sun retires as well
18:39:57: <Pasta> To be fair, there has been 'stop teams winning' rules before
18:40:14: <Pasta> The tyres lasting 100% of the race in 2005?
18:40:19: <Pasta> Designed to stop Ferrari
18:40:22: <kevinbotz> Yes, there was that.
18:40:26: <Pasta> And it did, quite well
18:40:31: <Pasta> Suprisingly it was gone for '06
18:40:52: <Pasta> The 'no in season testing rule'
18:41:04: <Pasta> Whilst it definately cut costs for a seaosn or two
18:41:13: <Pasta> It was probably designed to stop Ferrari again
18:41:38: <Pasta> And it has, because Ferrari's crappy windtunnel means they cant build a decent car
18:42:07: <AllezVoeckler> What is it with Italians and badly calibrated wind tunnels?
18:42:17: <AllezVoeckler> I believe STR have suffered for the same reason
18:42:24: <RMC_Feed> VDM overtakes Kickert for 6th
18:42:36: <AllezVoeckler> I don't remember if they have one in house now, or they rent someone elses, but I believe either way, it's located in Italy
18:43:04: <RMC_Feed> seems that Gomes and Fernandez have collided
18:43:05: <AllezVoeckler> and I remember a few years ago, when it was still Buemi-Alguersuari, Tost mentioning results in the tunnel and on track did not match
18:43:15: <AllezVoeckler> again?!
18:43:26: <AllezVoeckler> didn't Fernandez already ram Gomes once?
18:43:33: <Salamander> indeed
18:43:39: <Salamander> BAN FERNANDEZ
18:44:18: <klon> Venturi Grand Prix?
18:44:22: <kevinbotz> actually, now that I think about it
18:44:25: <klon> Formula E
18:44:30: <klon> Di Caprio?
18:44:33: <klon> Eeeeeeeeeeeh!
18:44:47: <kevinbotz> if Vettel keeps up his current form, double points won't really make a difference anyways
18:44:49: <EastLondoner> Sloooowpoke. :P
18:45:05: <klon> NorthwestLondonder pls
18:45:12: <RMC_Feed> both out, but no injuries despite Gomes skidding upside down all the way to the forest next to the track
18:45:28: <EastLondoner> OK, are the Sandinista cars still running?
18:45:58: <Pi3141> Are the Mazzacanes still running?
18:45:59: <RMC_Feed> VDM is missing his front wing
18:46:44: <RMC_Feed> ah, he hit Fernandez's wreck before it was cleared up
18:47:52: <RMC_Feed> he rejoins the track in 10th after pitting for a new wing
18:48:38: <Pasta> Still, at least we have the PMMF to keep us sane :D
18:48:48: <RMC_Feed> Mazzacane 11th, Graham 12th, Arthurs 13th, Balivernes 15th
18:49:12: <EastLondoner> Bah.
18:49:33: <Pi3141> Wow, didn't expect that both cars are still running.
18:50:59: <RMC_Feed> OOH
18:51:32: <RMC_Feed> VDM attempts to overtake Tenpecost but smashes into the back of the Caraxl car instead!
18:51:49: <RMC_Feed> VDM continues with front wing damage while Tenpecost is out on the spot
18:52:41: <Salamander> tenpecost you idiot
18:52:57: <Pasta> Tenpecost!
18:53:06: <Pasta> Bloody Axel :P
18:53:47: <RMC_Feed> just before that Sunset retires with a brake failure!
18:54:12: <RMC_Feed> Alik Mori retires
18:54:27: <FIAaredumb> thought so
18:57:36: <RMC_Feed> 12/35 laps completed, 16 cars remaining
18:59:10: <RMC_Feed> top 10 is now Davies, JEV, van Dycke, Howard, Kickert, Douglas, Zaugg, Graham, Mazzacane, Arthurs
19:01:13: <Pasta> Whats the gap back to van Dyke?
19:01:34: <RMC_Feed> over a minute and increasing
19:02:08: <RMC_Feed> Winton in the wall!
19:02:37: <zucchini> mibt pls
19:03:37: <RMC_Feed> ouuuch
19:03:53: <Pi3141> Who is FIAaredumb?
19:03:56: <RMC_Feed> almost at full speed into the tyre barrier
19:04:00: <EastLondoner> Dark
19:04:04: <EastLondoner> Pi3141
19:04:24: <Pi3141> Some of these rule changes really are dumb.
19:04:33: <Pi3141> Or at least pointless
19:05:16: <AllezVoeckler> they are anything but pointless
19:05:26: <AllezVoeckler> a 100% increase in points scored is not less points, it's more :P
19:05:34: <Salamander> :p
19:05:36: <kevinbotz> :P
19:06:00: <Pi3141> The double points thing is in fact, quite pointless.
19:06:29: <Pi3141> Because most likely it won't influence the championship outcome
19:06:32: <AllezVoeckler> The FIA are trying to make the sport even more commercialised, tbh
19:06:35: <Salamander> ...
19:06:41: <Salamander> pi, when did you become dark?
19:06:51: <Pasta> :P
19:06:52: <Pi3141> What?
19:06:53: <AllezVoeckler> a bit like football, I suppose
19:06:59: <AllezVoeckler> each player tends to have their own number
19:07:02: <EastLondoner> :P
19:07:24: <Salamander> youre already writing the double points thing off as most likely not affecting the outcome
19:07:27: <Salamander> you cant know that
19:07:32: <AllezVoeckler> Balotelli is 45, always. A unique identifier. Except in the Azzurri, where it isn't allowed
19:07:41: <Pi3141> I never said it won't influence the outcome.
19:07:41: <Pasta> I patiently await the day Siamese twins make it as a football player :P
19:07:53: <AllezVoeckler> and to be fair, as a casual viewer of MotoGP, rather than a hardcore fan, the consistent numbers helped
19:07:59: <Salamander> maybe
19:07:59: <Pi3141> But in most seasons, the title fight isn't close enough for it to make a difference.
19:08:10: <AllezVoeckler> Dovi changes teams so often, the only way I keep track of which team he's at, is by looking for his number
19:08:10: <Salamander> we'll see
19:08:17: <RMC_Feed> nose first 200 km/h into the barier, that's definitely broken legs for Mr. Winton
19:08:26: <Salamander> i expect itll make a difference though
19:08:37: <RMC_Feed> meanwhile Jong-Sung parks it as well
19:08:40: <EastLondoner> Salamander, you think we're overreacting to this news, you wait until the noob brigade show up this evening. :P
19:08:45: <Salamander> maybe not necessarily for the championship
19:08:59: <Salamander> but it will affect someone
19:09:05: <AllezVoeckler> ok, bu imagine how galling it might be
19:09:19: <AllezVoeckler> if Caterham or Marussia got a 10th at some point
19:09:30: <AllezVoeckler> then, their opponent did it as well, but only at the last race
19:09:43: <AllezVoeckler> under current rules, the first team to get the result, gets the preference, I think?
19:10:09: <Pi3141> No, the one with more 11th, 12th, 13th places etc..
19:10:12: <Salamander> nope
19:10:17: <AllezVoeckler> teams aren't not trying in the final race, there's no reason to incentivise it in this manner
19:10:20: <Salamander> yep
19:10:29: <Salamander> uh
19:10:30: <Salamander> what
19:10:37: <AllezVoeckler> if you want to fix something that's broken, fine
19:10:37: <Salamander> i think you got that backwards
19:10:41: <AllezVoeckler> but if it ain't broke
19:10:43: <AllezVoeckler> don't fix it
19:10:52: <Salamander> ... but you just said it was broken
19:11:01: <AllezVoeckler> no I didn't
19:11:13: <AllezVoeckler> I said double points was silly
19:11:16: <AllezVoeckler> and I'm continuing to say it
19:11:33: <AllezVoeckler> I don't know what you're talking about
19:11:37: <Salamander> ... wait, did you mean that double negative?
19:11:39: <Salamander> or not
19:11:42: <AllezVoeckler> yes
19:11:44: <AllezVoeckler> it was on purpose...
19:11:50: <Salamander> oh
19:11:52: <Salamander> fair enough then
19:11:57: <AllezVoeckler> I don't do accidental double negatives
19:12:15: <AllezVoeckler> I'm not HawkAussie :P
19:12:33: <AllezVoeckler> these regulation changes?
19:12:39: <AllezVoeckler> too much, not enough, I say.
19:12:47: <Salamander> :p
19:13:07: <Pi3141> Ah, GwillymJJames calculated when the double points in the last race would've made a difference.
19:13:26: <Pi3141> In 9 seasons so far it would have.
19:14:40: <Salamander> so its not totally pointless
19:14:51: <EastLondoner> Salamander, the Lelmas wants Donnelly. :P
19:14:53: <Salamander> it gives the drivers chasing a bit more of a chance
19:15:10: <Salamander> and it keeps the leader on his toes
19:15:15: <Salamander> also the lelmas can feck off
19:15:38: <kevinbotz> I dunno
19:15:43: <FIAaredumb> boring F1 > exciting NASCAR claiming to be f1
19:15:44: <FIAaredumb> 8)
19:15:45: <RMC_Feed> and VDM's miserable day ends in a gearbox failure
19:16:28: <kevinbotz> somehow, double points for a particular race just seems inherently wrong
19:16:34: <Pi3141> It makes a difference more often than I expected.
19:16:38: <FIAaredumb> because it is
19:16:41: <kevinbotz> but I'm a reactionary sod anyways
19:16:45: <Pi3141> kevinbotz, I agree
19:17:05: <Pi3141> It's not like it is something special, like Le Mans in WEC
19:17:07: <FIAaredumb> there is literally no reason one race should be more important than the others other than to appeal to low IQ fans
19:17:21: <Salamander> but its not just some random race
19:17:23: <Salamander> its the last one
19:17:30: <Salamander> they didnt specify abu dhabi
19:17:37: <Salamander> they just said the last race
19:17:41: <RMC_Feed> and it's going to be fucking Abu Dhabi nevertheless
19:17:57: <Salamander> was it abu dhabi last year?
19:18:01: <FIAaredumb> so? why should the reward in the last race be better than any other?
19:18:11: <Salamander> ... because its the LAST race
19:18:14: <Pi3141> Salamander, yes, but no matter on which track it is held, it is still an ordinary GP
19:18:53: <Salamander> except for the fact that its the season-closer
19:19:21: <RMC_Feed> still
19:19:23: <EastLondoner> Oh god, the noob brigade are here. :P
19:19:30: <kevinbotz> oh dear
19:19:34: <EastLondoner> Lelmas and Rachel1990
19:19:35: <kevinbotz> this should be fun
19:19:50: <FIAaredumb> it may be the season closer, but it has the same rules as any other race
19:19:51: <Salamander> oh god here we go :/
19:20:08: <RMC_Feed> every championship race has had an equal value for 64 years
19:20:12: <FIAaredumb> ^^^^^^^^
19:20:20: <SuperAguri> Salamander : I am not god, I am close though :P
19:20:28: <EastLondoner> :P
19:20:30: <RMC_Feed> I honestly don't see the point in trying to make the season closer special now
19:20:40: <kevinbotz> What this really comes down to
19:20:55: <FIAaredumb> RMC_Feed to appeal to inbred nascar fans, not really sure why considering they don't form a big part of f1 viewership
19:21:10: <kevinbotz> is the same question that comes up each and every time we see a significant set of regulation changes
19:21:16: <kevinbotz> What is Formula One?
19:21:22: <RMC_Feed> van Dycke crashes out and McMohan suffers a gearbox failure
19:21:31: <kevinbotz> What should Formula One be?
19:21:47: <FIAaredumb> a proper sport, not an entertainment one, as it's been for 64 years
19:21:49: <Pi3141> Formula 1 has sadly become an entertainment show.
19:22:05: <Pi3141> It hasn't really been a sport since 2011.
19:22:35: <RMC_Feed> Mazzacane is stuck in 3rd gear
19:22:42: <SuperAguri> It hasn't been a sport since Schumacher started winning to get home early
19:23:06: <zucchini> que?
19:23:23: <FIAaredumb> SuperAguri as boring as 2000-2004 was, it was free from gimmicks
19:23:36: <AllezVoeckler> uh
19:23:37: <Pi3141> Indeed, FIAaredumb
19:23:39: <AllezVoeckler> team orders
19:23:40: <EastLondoner> 2003 was a cracker
19:23:40: <AllezVoeckler> gimmick
19:24:00: <AllezVoeckler> and the FIA did the exact opposite to cause it
19:24:04: <EastLondoner> More 2003s and less 2013s pls.
19:24:09: <Pi3141> In 2002 it was a boring sport, but in 2013 it was a boring show
19:24:13: <Pi3141> I prefer 2002.
19:24:21: <dark77> sorry if some of my comments were too harsh but damn
19:24:27: <EastLondoner> 2002 also had Minardi on the grid, and a host of smaller teams.
19:24:29: <AllezVoeckler> if a sport is not about the show, then was is its function?
19:24:31: <Pi3141> 2003 would be optimal
19:24:33: <Salamander> STATUS: BUDGET CAP - It's a possibility :D FORUMS - Up. WIKI - Up. 50s and 60s F1 Quiz - goo.gl/nqAetr PMMF (F1RWRS, etc) Quiz - goo.gl/yHLXvi . Get a crap score? #blamewizzie
19:24:35: <kevinbotz> as I said before
19:24:36: <Salamander> gah
19:24:39: <kevinbotz> I'm a reactionary sod
19:24:42: <EastLondoner> :P
19:24:51: <kevinbotz> but my opinions are worthless anyways
19:25:02: <kevinbotz> :/
19:25:08: <RMC_Feed> JEV pits for full rain tyres
19:25:26: <AllezVoeckler> ooh
19:25:32: <AllezVoeckler> what tyres is JJD on?
19:25:38: <RMC_Feed> inters
19:25:38: <dark77> AllezVoeckler i'm not completely against changing some things to make f1 more exciting - like, i kind of understand the intent of DRS, but the difference is that EVERYONE had it, it was equal and could be called fair
19:25:39: <Pi3141> AllezVoeckler, other sports don't need gimmicks.
19:25:43: <EastLondoner> I actually think they should bring back one-lap qualifying instead of all these artificial methods.
19:25:44: <AllezVoeckler> a strategy split could be interesting
19:25:50: <AllezVoeckler> pls pi, all other sports have gimmicks
19:26:08: <kevinbotz> Ice Hockey has violence
19:26:29: <dark77> having ONE race award more points is ridicolous
19:26:29: <EastLondoner> Brace yourselves, Rachel1990 is posting as we speak. :P
19:26:29: <kevinbotz> American Football has violence
19:26:34: <Pasta> What is the 5 second penalty?
19:26:40: <AllezVoeckler> handegg
19:26:42: <AllezVoeckler> violence
19:26:43: <AllezVoeckler> lel
19:26:49: <AllezVoeckler> they all wear 100 sq feet of padding
19:26:53: <AllezVoeckler> rugby, that is violence!
19:27:00: <Pasta> The Lelmas practically copied my post :P
19:27:05: <kevinbotz> and rassling?
19:27:18: <AllezVoeckler> fixed, choreographed, orchestrated
19:27:20: <AllezVoeckler> do people get hurt? sure
19:27:24: <AllezVoeckler> but it's not a sport
19:27:26: <AllezVoeckler> it's a show
19:27:28: <EastLondoner> WWE isn't sport, as much as I like
19:27:29: <AllezVoeckler> never forget that
19:27:30: <EastLondoner> *it
19:27:51: <EastLondoner> I mean, what sport has the chairman trying to fuck over people? :P
19:27:56: <kevinbotz> lel :P
19:27:59: <AllezVoeckler> Boxing is also about the show, even if it's not simulated in the sense that wrestling is
19:28:00: <EastLondoner> Good ol' Vinnie Mac. :P
19:28:14: <Pi3141> Of course sports want to entertain people.
19:28:32: <Pi3141> But it becomes problematic if the main purpose becomes a show at any cost.
19:28:43: <Pi3141> Which is happening to Formula 1 at the moment.
19:28:46: <RMC_Feed> the rest of the field seems to repeat the same strategy, except for Davies
19:28:51: <dark77> F1 doesn't need unfair crap to be entertaining
19:29:05: <AllezVoeckler> I think it's too extreme and awfully reactionary to suggest that F1 has suddenly sold itself for the show entirely
19:29:15: <AllezVoeckler> I don't see even half of the gimmicks proposed over the years here now
19:29:15: <Pasta> Besides, no one knows what TheShow(tm) is meant to be
19:29:35: <Pi3141> What is DRS?
19:29:42: <Pi3141> What are the tyres?
19:29:49: <RMC_Feed> Marky howard's engine gives up
19:29:54: <RMC_Feed> Howard's*
19:30:01: <Pi3141> KERS was a failed gimmick.
19:30:07: <AllezVoeckler> What you prefer, Pirelli ,or Bulletproof Bridgestones?
19:30:18: <Shadaza> Does F1 have any fucking integrity at all?
19:30:19: <Pasta> To be honest, a tyre war
19:30:28: <Pi3141> Tyres which are developed for performance
19:30:37: <AllezVoeckler> so, Bridgestone, then
19:30:38: <Shadaza> budget cap = good
19:30:40: <Pi3141> Because that is what motorsport should be about.
19:30:41: <Shadaza> the rest = shit
19:30:49: <EastLondoner> One lap qualifying pls.
19:30:51: <kevinbotz> Pasta, no money :(
19:30:54: <EastLondoner> Bring it back
19:30:56: <AllezVoeckler> purism is boring as fuck
19:30:58: <Shadaza> double points for last race
19:31:00: <Shadaza> what the shit
19:31:03: <AllezVoeckler> have you ever seen Catenaccio?
19:31:04: <SuperAguri> how are they going to inforce a budget cap?
19:31:05: <AllezVoeckler> fucking dreadful
19:31:07: <Shadaza> how is that even fair
19:31:17: <AllezVoeckler> but people call Sacchi a genius for using it
19:31:22: <Shadaza> and each driver having a personal number, I hate it
19:31:23: <Pi3141> But with a budged cap, we can get rid of all these cost-cutting measures.
19:31:24: <Pasta> To be honest, I like the new qualifying, it works quite well
19:31:30: <AllezVoeckler> it's purist, and hella boring
19:32:20: <RMC_Feed> so every other car except Davies is now on full wet tyres
19:32:24: <Shadaza> though, drivers getting permanent numbers is better than teams getting permanent numbers
19:32:48: <Pasta> How about no one gets permanent numbers? :P
19:32:49: <Shadaza> I loved the system as it was
19:32:58: <Shadaza> it told everyone at a glance how well they did the season before
19:33:02: <Pasta> The only reason they're introducing it is so people can make monies.
19:33:07: <AllezVoeckler> how about nobody gets numbers at all?
19:33:10: <AllezVoeckler> Just leave the cars blank!
19:33:14: <Shadaza> yeah
19:33:16: <Pasta> Imaginary numbers!
19:33:17: <kevinbotz> There's one positive we can take away from those minutes.
19:33:21: <Shadaza> it is an marketable move
19:33:22: <AllezVoeckler> Or better still, give then symbols from the Wingdings font family!
19:33:28: <kevinbotz> It could've been worse
19:33:28: <Pasta> YES
19:33:30: <AllezVoeckler> AND IT'S VETTEL DRIVING THE POSTBOX RED BULL!
19:33:32: <dark77> to be honest i think permanent numbers belongs in US racing, but it's tiny in propertion to how dumb double points is
19:33:36: <Shadaza> still
19:33:37: <kevinbotz> far worse
19:33:46: <Shadaza> will be interesting to see what numbers the drivers chose
19:33:51: <Pasta> Someone would end up with that little square box#
19:33:52: <Pasta> :P
19:33:57: <kevinbotz> as in a reduction to eight teams running three cars worse
19:33:59: <Shadaza> or worse, be given
19:34:08: <AllezVoeckler> HE'S BEEN HIT BY THE THUMBS DOWN FERRARI OF ALONSO!
19:34:13: <Shadaza> Vettel will be number 1 of course
19:34:19: <Shadaza> Pastor would probably pick 69
19:34:24: <kevinbotz> or a 300 max employee cap worse
19:34:28: <Pi3141> Yes, 8 teams with 3 drivers would be terrible.
19:34:33: <Shadaza> Max Chilton will get 2
19:34:38: <Shadaza> just kidding
19:34:46: <Pasta> kevinbotz 8 teams running 3 cars? Yes please. As long as there's 3 other teams running two cars :P
19:34:55: <AllezVoeckler> I bet there is a scramble for 22
19:34:59: <RMC_Feed> after 18/35 laps, the order is: Davies, JEV, Kickert, Douglas, Zaugg, Graham, Arthurs, Balivernes and Bell, who actually just retires
19:35:00: <AllezVoeckler> given how oddly successful it's been as a number
19:35:01: <Shadaza> you get a car, you get a car, y'all get a car
19:35:08: <Pi3141> It's not that I hate every change. I really like the new LMP1 rules.
19:35:12: <AllezVoeckler> hmmm
19:35:26: <Shadaza> I am pissed with double points the most
19:35:31: <dark77> ^
19:35:34: <Shadaza> such a dumb idea
19:35:37: <dark77> ^
19:35:37: <Pasta> What if the teams were allowed to field as many cars as they could afford?
19:35:39: <AllezVoeckler> ok, so, this is quite embarassing
19:35:45: <AllezVoeckler> Ferrari fired Massa
19:35:52: <seedstriker> LGPS live?
19:35:53: <AllezVoeckler> but I don't even remember who replaced him anymore
19:35:55: <Pasta> But they had to choose 2 cars to count for the teams championship.
19:35:58: <kevinbotz> Raikkonen
19:35:59: <Shadaza> at least make the last race double length to compensate
19:36:09: <AllezVoeckler> well, shit, duh. Why couldn't I remember that
19:36:13: <kevinbotz> :P
19:36:16: <dark77> my only hope is that it out that turns out that the champion would've won even with normal points
19:36:19: <AllezVoeckler> I don't imagine him caring what number he gets
19:36:30: <AllezVoeckler> he will just write something random probably
19:36:37: <Pi3141> If it was a special race, I wouldn't complain about double points.
19:36:48: <Pi3141> But it is just an ordinary GP
19:36:51: <Shadaza> if Vettel doesn't win the championship next year he will have to be left with a number no one else wanted
19:36:59: <Pasta> Will there be number sponsorship opportunities?
19:37:10: <Shadaza> or take the one of the new champion, urgh
19:37:49: <seedstriker> http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/9065380/Williams-make-double-signing
19:37:57: <RMC_Feed> Graham overtakes Zaugg
19:38:11: <seedstriker> Is Winton still racing?
19:38:21: <RMC_Feed> Balivernes retires with a blown engine
19:38:22: <kevinbotz> Williams have gotten my hopes up too many times.
19:38:39: <RMC_Feed> Winton crashed heavily, you should start cinsidering a replacement for him
19:38:44: <RMC_Feed> considering*
19:38:59: <Salamander> what a coincidence
19:39:04: <Salamander> geoff donnelly is available :D
19:39:13: <seedstriker> I was just thinking about that, Salamander :p
19:39:36: <EastLondoner> Give him to the Lelmas, for the lelz. :P
19:40:05: <kevinbotz> ah damn
19:40:11: <kevinbotz> my batracer teammate went AWOL
19:40:14: <Shadaza> so theoretically, someone can have a 49 point lead going into the last race of the season, have an engine failure and lose the championship
19:40:15: <kevinbotz> :/
19:40:23: <dark77> exactly
19:40:41: <AllezVoeckler> RMC_Feed, what is the laptime difference between JJD and JEV?
19:40:47: <AllezVoeckler> assuming they are still on different tyres
19:40:50: <RMC_Feed> Graham overtakes Douglas
19:41:03: <Salamander> EastLondoner i already told the lelmas to piss off :p
19:41:13: <EastLondoner> Awwww. :/ :P
19:41:16: <seedstriker> Quite vocally, mind you...
19:41:33: <EastLondoner> Is Arthurs still running?>
19:41:53: <RMC_Feed> yes, in 7th
19:42:03: <seedstriker> Klon made me put Liuzzi in the 2nd McLaren for Alt F1 Current
19:42:05: <RMC_Feed> battling with Zaugg and Douglas
19:42:28: <EastLondoner> C'mon lad, get in the points to escape preq
19:42:31: <seedstriker> Damn, I wanted Bruno Senna :p
19:43:04: <RMC_Feed> Davies' latest laptime: 1:34.283
19:44:13: <RMC_Feed> JEV: 1:35.681
19:44:28: <Shadaza> "desperate attempt to inject excitement into a race at a venue that normally is about as stimulating as valium. "
19:44:31: <Shadaza> I think Mario is mad
19:44:36: <Shadaza> I have never seen mario mad
19:44:38: <kevinbotz> as he should be
19:44:38: <Shadaza> it is a sad day
19:44:49: <Shadaza> a sad day for F1
19:44:53: <AllezVoeckler> well
19:44:54: <AllezVoeckler> shit
19:44:55: <dark77> as anyone with a braincell should be 8)
19:44:59: <AllezVoeckler> wrong tyres bro
19:45:16: <Salamander> nah, JJD is just that good :p
19:45:22: <zucchini> oh shit
19:45:40: <zucchini> you guys are aware that this is basically mario's equivalent of a schoolyard shooting?
19:45:45: <zucchini> everyone better run for cover
19:46:28: <RMC_Feed> Zaugg makes it past Douglas
19:48:31: <Rated> for which position ? :o
19:48:38: <RMC_Feed> 5th
19:48:52: <Rated> damn :o
19:49:40: <Shadaza> I don't normally like the slippery slope argument
19:49:58: <Shadaza> but if AbbyDabby can pay for a double points race
19:50:02: <Shadaza> could other venues?
19:50:12: <dark77> it's possible
19:50:38: <AllezVoeckler> I could understand if they made Monaco double points
19:50:43: <AllezVoeckler> ...the rest, not so much
19:50:50: <zucchini> now that's asinine
19:51:00: <zucchini> so double points for the season finale are bad
19:51:17: <zucchini> but double points for a random-ass race that just happens to be on the calendar for quite some while aren't?
19:51:31: <RMC_Feed> no race shoud be turned into more valuable than other through artifical means
19:51:36: <dark77> ^
19:51:36: <RMC_Feed> others*
19:52:19: <zucchini> seedstriker, there is always 2013 :P
19:52:24: <RMC_Feed> it's up to the fans and drivers to consider some races are more special than others, but rule-wise all races shoud be equal
19:52:32: <Shadaza> I think it reeks that the other 18 rounds of the championship are devalued
19:52:50: <dark77> seems a bit pointless to have them really
19:52:55: <seedstriker> If I survive 2012 :p
19:53:06: <Shadaza> mission accomplished?
19:53:11: <RMC_Feed> and there's Pieter Kickert, almost breaking his toes as he kicks "The Shitbox" after yet another retirement
19:53:13: <Salamander> shadaza abu dhabi havent paid for a double points race
19:53:28: <Shadaza> their hand must be in it
19:53:34: <Shadaza> they paid extra to have the race last
19:53:40: <Shadaza> and now it is worth double points too
19:53:43: <Salamander> yeah, they paid to be the finale
19:53:49: <Salamander> and now the finale is double points
19:54:03: <Salamander> but i doubt the fia will make more double points races
19:54:04: <Shadaza> I very much doubt this is a surprise to them
19:54:26: <Salamander> i imagine the fia wouldve talked to them beforehand, yes
19:54:37: <kevinbotz> well
19:54:40: <Salamander> is this their idea? no, i very much doubt that
19:55:02: <kevinbotz> because I have my rose-tinted glasses on
19:55:18: <RMC_Feed> JEV retires too!
19:55:21: <kevinbotz> I can't remember if there was as big of a shitstorm before the 2009 season as there is now
19:55:25: <EastLondoner> :P
19:55:25: <kevinbotz> was there?
19:55:29: <Salamander> http://www.f1rejects.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=5162&start=880&p=279509&view=show#p279509 OH GOD HES BACK D:
19:55:45: <EastLondoner> >Umatbru
19:55:52: <EastLondoner> >Talking about dreams
19:55:55: <EastLondoner> >HALP!
19:56:02: <EastLondoner> :/
19:56:04: <kevinbotz> umatbru, spambot 2.3.1
19:56:10: <Shadaza> such post, many funny
19:56:20: <Salamander> HURR DURR DREAMCAST SEGA SONIC DURR DURR
19:56:40: <EastLondoner> Herp derp James Hunt's a cunt.
19:56:52: <seedstriker> PR dissaster in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1... :p
19:57:35: <zucchini> well suck my dick
19:57:41: <zucchini> Shadaza's guys have actually won something
19:57:50: <Shadaza> I wat?
19:57:56: <zucchini> FRWS
19:58:09: <Shadaza> yay>
19:58:11: <Shadaza> ?
19:58:12: <dark77> i thought that was ded :D
19:58:31: <Shadaza> ohhh
19:58:35: <Shadaza> is that the football things
19:58:56: <zucchini> aye
19:59:02: <zucchini> and dark, no, it isn't
19:59:08: <zucchini> I have started that one, I am gonna finish it
19:59:10: <zucchini> ... some day
19:59:11: <zucchini> :D
19:59:18: <Shadaza> let me know when you start worm streaming
19:59:24: <Shadaza> Dark77
20:00:24: <dark77> hmm
20:09:10: <Rated> Pasta : No 2048px template for the Merc ? D:
20:09:15: <Rated> 1024s are meh :P
20:10:33: <EastLondoner> WTF? :P
20:10:35: <dark77> SuperAguri he was parodying umatbru :P
20:10:42: <EastLondoner> I was taking the piss out of umatbru. :P
20:10:47: <kevinbotz> lel
20:11:18: <SuperAguri> still, James Hunt is a legend :P
20:11:25: <RMC_Feed> Zaugg, Douglas and Arthurs pit for new tyres
20:11:30: <EastLondoner> :?
20:11:31: <EastLondoner> :/
20:11:44: <EastLondoner> Arthurs, y u do dis, when u need points?
20:11:55: <Pasta> Rated - It was 1024? Damn. Thought it was 2048 :P
20:12:09: <Rated> 1024 indeed :P
20:12:10: <RMC_Feed> Zaugg and Douglas choose wets, while Arthurs goes for monsoons
20:12:19: <Pasta> I could give you a 2048 version, but there'd be no wireframe, just shading....
20:12:19: <EastLondoner> Oh, now I see why
20:12:32: <Rated> Aaaaaaaaand, I hope Zaugg can score points again
20:12:41: <Rated> Gibe pls ! :P
20:12:43: <Salamander> is davies still on dry tyres?
20:13:04: <SuperAguri> it the heavens opens arthurs is going to look like a legend and if it gets dry then he is going to look like a knob
20:13:12: <Pasta> Rated - erm, what? :P
20:13:15: <Rated> I can do without wireframe I guess :P
20:13:28: <RMC_Feed> Davies is still on the intermediate set he started the race with
20:13:39: <Salamander> ah, yeah, that makes sense
20:13:52: <Salamander> how many laps left?
20:14:16: <RMC_Feed> Arthurs pits again?
20:14:23: <EastLondoner> Fack
20:14:24: <EastLondoner> :/
20:14:32: <RMC_Feed> for another set of monsoons?
20:14:33: <RMC_Feed> wat?
20:14:37: <Rated> LOL !
20:14:38: <EastLondoner> WTF? :/
20:14:57: <Salamander> hey getz
20:15:00: <EastLondoner> YOU FUCKING IDIOT, Y R U DOIN DIS?! :/ :/ :/
20:15:02: <captain_getz> heyo
20:15:03: <Salamander> sunset is out, unfortunately :(
20:15:04: <RMC_Feed> oh F1C, ye pit glitches art so hilarious
20:15:22: <captain_getz> great, maybe we should invest in more reliability upgrades Salamander
20:15:30: <Salamander> good news: JEV is out as well :D
20:15:43: <Rated> Pasta, can you send the 2048 one please ? :P
20:15:48: <captain_getz> I dont wanna lose the championship because of unreliability!
20:15:49: <SuperAguri> eastlonder : as least you have a clown for kids parties
20:15:58: <Pasta> For those interested, the Cruze is definately confirmed
20:16:04: <Salamander> it was a brake failure
20:16:12: <Salamander> i can only increase engine reliability
20:16:17: <captain_getz> that was the 2nd time in a row that happened
20:16:18: <Pasta> Rated I've got to extract the shading file for the model out of the .mas, give us a sec :P
20:16:24: <Rated> Oh sorry
20:16:27: <RMC_Feed> five laps to go, the order is Davies, Graham (+3 laps), Zaugg (+3 laps), Douglas (+3 laps), C. Arthurs (+3 laps)
20:16:30: <captain_getz> and did you upgrade driver reliability?
20:16:35: <EastLondoner> Davies crash pls.
20:16:40: <Pasta> Im not even sure it'll be 2048x2048
20:16:41: <EastLondoner> PLS
20:16:44: <RMC_Feed> JEV retired but will get that one point for 6th
20:16:51: <captain_getz> and again the top teams are kicking everyone's ass
20:17:00: <Salamander> doesnt that just decrease the chances that the driver will crash though
20:17:00: <Salamander> ?
20:17:07: <EastLondoner> So we get 8 laps more. :
20:17:11: <EastLondoner> :P
20:17:19: <captain_getz> it's better than leaving it to chance
20:17:25: <Salamander> can davies put everyone 4 laps down? :p
20:17:34: <captain_getz> since he is still part of Blokkmonsta as part of this joint venture
20:17:39: <Rated> Well, if his car doesn't break down
20:18:06: <Salamander> fair enough, ill buy a driver reliability upgrade for sunset
20:18:08: <AllezVoeckler> what happened for JEV to retire?
20:18:12: <AllezVoeckler> engine go boom?
20:18:16: <captain_getz> thank you!
20:18:20: <RMC_Feed> idunno
20:18:36: <RMC_Feed> Arthurs pitted again... this isn't funny anymore
20:18:41: <EastLondoner> Fuck sake
20:18:44: <AllezVoeckler> yes it is
20:18:46: <AllezVoeckler> its top lel
20:18:46: <AllezVoeckler> :P
20:18:58: <EastLondoner> Fucking clown, stop trashing your tyres. :?
20:19:00: <EastLondoner> :/
20:19:09: <captain_getz> come on Davies, DNF again. You havent done well all season
20:19:16: <Rated> "Hey guys, I have too much grip!" :P
20:19:20: <SuperAguri> Maybe Arthurs wants some ice cream and a soft drink?
20:19:25: <kevinbotz> :P
20:19:31: <AllezVoeckler> or maybe he needed to pee
20:19:32: <Shadaza> coming 3rd in Abbydabby next year will be better than winning Spa or Monaco
20:19:34: <Shadaza> :p
20:19:34: <Salamander> nah, davies needs this win
20:19:40: <Salamander> JEV is getting too uppity
20:19:40: <Salamander> :p
20:19:46: <AllezVoeckler> then realised after stopping for a number one, he needed a number two too...
20:19:49: <SuperAguri> This James James Daveis?
20:19:51: <captain_getz> aww, but he was looking to be ROTR :D
20:19:57: <captain_getz> *ROTY
20:20:05: <RMC_Feed> Graham pits again
20:20:07: <Salamander> yes, but before he incorporated the middle name
20:20:13: <Salamander> so hes still james davies
20:20:16: <RMC_Feed> and there goes Zaugg, taking the 2nd position
20:20:26: <Rated> Oh god, please don't break down...
20:20:42: <RMC_Feed> the hell is going on the Sandinista pitwall right now?
20:20:47: <EastLondoner> :/:/:/:/:/:/:/
20:20:59: <EastLondoner> :/:/:/:/:/:/:/
20:21:08: <Salamander> :p:p:p:p:p:p:p
20:21:16: <EastLondoner> Fucktards, the lot of 'em. :/
20:21:24: <RMC_Feed> Arthurs pits again...
20:21:27: <Rated> Christopher Arthurs has come back and he's entering a drunken rage there ? :P
20:21:31: <dark77> :D
20:21:31: <dark77> the FIA? yeah they are
20:21:32: <EastLondoner> Fack this sht
20:21:59: <EastLondoner> At least we've got both cars still running with a few laps to go....
20:22:22: <RMC_Feed> :O Graham DIDN'T pit!
20:22:28: <Rated> lel
20:22:29: <EastLondoner> :D :D :D :D :D :D
20:22:58: <Pasta> I presume Zaugg is 2nd? :P
20:23:07: <RMC_Feed> yes
20:23:13: <EastLondoner> :?
20:23:14: <EastLondoner> :/
20:24:17: <RMC_Feed> Davies starts the penultimate lap
20:24:31: <SuperAguri> how many laps is Arthurs behind?
20:24:36: <EastLondoner> :(
20:24:39: <Salamander> come on, bring it home davies
20:24:42: <Rated> So... Donnelly doesn't want to race for Reb Lelmas Recing ? :P
20:24:49: <Salamander> nope
20:25:04: <captain_getz> how did VDM do? Did he make a comeback?
20:25:10: <RMC_Feed> Arthurs pits again...
20:25:12: <Salamander> he was
20:25:18: <Salamander> but then he turned into an idiot
20:25:19: <EastLondoner> FUCK SAKE
20:25:20: <Rated> Arthurs is five stopping
20:25:21: <Salamander> and his car died
20:25:24: <Pasta> Rated https://www.mediafire.com/?9dgk617v35xyyl4 - 2048v2048
20:25:34: <EastLondoner> Based pitstops. :/
20:25:43: <AllezVoeckler> lelstops
20:25:52: <captain_getz> @Pasta how soon do we have to announce what cars we're using for RTCC next year?
20:26:05: <RMC_Feed> Graham does so too and drops behind Douglas
20:26:12: <EastLondoner> :|
20:26:26: <EastLondoner> :|
20:26:27: <EastLondoner> :|
20:26:29: <EastLondoner> :|
20:26:32: <Rated> danke Pasta
20:26:36: <kevinbotz> Citroen just signed Meeke and Ostberg
20:26:39: <RMC_Feed> Davies has started the last lap
20:26:40: <EastLondoner> :|
20:26:44: <kevinbotz> http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111801
20:27:20: <Pasta> captain_getz You dont need to at the moment
20:27:31: <RMC_Feed> Arthurs pits again
20:27:39: <Rated> Wait, it's really different, compared to the other one o_o
20:27:39: <EastLondoner> Fack this
20:27:40: <Rated> xD
20:27:46: <captain_getz> alright, i'll not annoucne it until later. I would rather do it after all of the cars have been rested
20:27:48: <captain_getz> *tested
20:27:53: <Pasta> Although I'm thinking of opening the signups soon, the only thing limiting it is I dont know quite how it's going to work
20:28:07: <Pasta> THere's nothing stopping you declaring your interest, but it wont count for anything yet.
20:28:07: <EastLondoner> #RichardAshcroft'sFault
20:28:22: <RMC_Feed> aaand James Davies wins the 1993 Life GP of Poland!
20:28:26: <Pasta> Rated - Yep, I had a second model :P
20:28:33: <HerrmannMann> JA!
20:28:34: <HerrmannMann> JA!
20:28:36: <HerrmannMann> JA!
20:28:37: <HerrmannMann> JA!
20:28:40: <FackTheSandinistas> :|
20:28:43: <HerrmannMann> JA!
20:28:43: <FackTheSandinistas> :|
20:28:44: <FackTheSandinistas> :|
20:28:44: <FackTheSandinistas> :|
20:28:48: <Salamander> WOOOOOO :D
20:29:06: <HerrmannMann> JA! Der Congratulations, Herr Davies :D
20:30:02: <JamesDavies> Yeahhhhhh! Who needs a wetter compound!? :D
20:30:15: <RMC_Feed> Natascha Zaugg finishes second, three laps behind
20:30:27: <RMC_Feed> Tom Douglas third, +3 laps
20:30:27: <Rated> YES ! YES ! YES !
20:30:52: <Pasta> Thta's three wins on the bounce for FGCR
20:31:01: <Pasta> We're coming back into this :D
20:31:10: <Pasta> Al Smith, the fight's not over JUST yet
20:31:29: <RMC_Feed> Rachel Graham 4th, +3 laps
20:31:41: <WestLondoner> :|
20:31:43: <WestLondoner> :|
20:31:44: <WestLondoner> :|
20:31:50: <WestLondoner> At least we finished
20:31:57: <RMC_Feed> Christopher Arthurs simply gave up after 30 laps and is classified 5th
20:32:04: <WestLondoner> :|
20:32:21: <RMC_Feed> OK, that was a glitched retirement
20:32:51: <RMC_Feed> JEV, despite retiring 10 laps from the end, grabs 6th
20:32:51: <WestLondoner> At least he'll be out of pre-qualifying (I think)
20:33:02: <AllezVoeckler> well, at least he got a little something for his efforts
20:33:06: <AllezVoeckler> even if it's not much
20:33:11: <Pasta> Who set the fastest lap? Davies?
20:34:23: <AllezVoeckler> one would certainly assume so
20:34:28: <RMC_Feed> FL: James Davies, 1:28.856 on lap 3
20:34:38: <RMC_Feed> ROTR: Dave Smith
20:34:54: <captain_getz> for what?
20:35:24: <RMC_Feed> for deciding to take a closer look at the Polish forests and then dangerously rejoining the track
20:35:46: <Pasta> Are you sure it was the forest?
20:35:50: <Pasta> Or a Soviet mind trick? :P
20:36:56: <Salamander> really?
20:37:04: <Salamander> not the sandinistas?
20:37:07: <Salamander> really?
20:38:10: <WestLondoner> Well, we finished the race. :P
20:39:06: <WestLondoner> Ataxia being a hipster and supporting double points. :P
20:39:12: <WestLondoner> Oh, he's not here. :/
20:40:41: <RMC_Feed> http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc464/Nuppiz/F1C/93Poland_zps56743bf8.jpg
20:41:05: <dark77> good job by bell in his last race for us :)
20:41:22: <seedstriker> Alright. How bad is Winton's condition?
20:41:43: <Rated> Gosh, Davies is a monster...
20:42:48: <zucchini> oh - SuperAguri is here ... time for me to get killed
20:43:04: <RMC_Feed> well Winton is a bit lucky in that there's a month's summer break before the next race
20:44:31: <RMC_Feed> but still, it was 200 km/h head-on into the barrier
20:44:38: <RMC_Feed> I'd say...
20:44:41: <RMC_Feed> three months out
20:44:49: <SuperAguri> You done something to incur my wrath?
20:45:04: <Salamander> williams dont have any drivers
20:45:05: <Salamander> :p
20:45:07: <RMC_Feed> so he can return in Malaysia
20:45:25: <SuperAguri> i thought I had until Wednesday
20:45:45: <zucchini> yeah, basically that - I got tired of waiting so I set an earlier deadline yesterday afternoon which would see me run RNGs earlier today
20:45:54: <SuperAguri> tell me now
20:46:05: <SuperAguri> give me 15 minutes and I'll do my driver list
20:46:26: <Salamander> stramala how long is it until based rng screws gauthier out of a works deal? :p
20:46:34: <AllezVoeckler> Anyone who wants a works Peugeot RRT deal: 15 minutes to deadline :P
20:46:54: <AllezVoeckler> but, the RNG won't run until about 9:15 - 9:20
20:46:57: <WestLondoner> Are you gonna piss Eurobrun off with teh RNG? :P
20:46:59: <WestLondoner> *the
20:46:59: <AllezVoeckler> I have a room change at 9
20:47:02: <Pi3141> Are Gauthier allowed to re-apply?
20:47:06: <AllezVoeckler> oh yes, most definitely
20:47:08: <AllezVoeckler> yes, yes they are
20:47:13: <Salamander> well, yeah...
20:47:15: <AllezVoeckler> in fact, they are still one of the favourites
20:47:28: <seedstriker> Geoff Donnelly will replace Winton until then
20:47:33: <Salamander> the rng didnt blow gauthier off completely, they were just waiting for some compeition
20:47:38: <Salamander> seedstriker its a deal :)