[1/7 5:32:31PM] Talos: tbhtbhtbh
[1/7 5:32:31PM] TheUltimateH4M: alright but I'm saving it to my personal screenshots folder tbhtbh
[1/7 5:32:21PM] 『Thundermare』: !wipe 3900
[1/7 5:32:16PM] 『Thundermare』: I'm dumb
[1/7 5:32:09PM] 『Thundermare』: !calc 50*60
[1/7 5:31:57PM] 『Thundermare』: I'm deleting that too tbh
[1/7 5:31:48PM] Noteworthy: I made for the memories.
[1/7 5:31:44PM] 『Thundermare』: god damn it scoots
[1/7 5:31:44PM] Noteworthy:
[1/7 5:31:19PM] Noteworthy: LOL
[1/7 5:31:11PM] Yuri: Have you been on the toilet this whole time Marey?
[1/7 5:31:05PM] Noteworthy: Sure.
[1/7 5:30:58PM] 『Thundermare』: please please
[1/7 5:30:57PM] 『Thundermare』: Can I wipe
[1/7 5:30:55PM] 『Thundermare』: So uhhhhhhhhh
[1/7 5:30:49PM] Yuri: :blobjob:
[1/7 5:30:42PM] Yuri: But you can tell it's a debate and not an argument because everyone is cool at the end
[1/7 5:30:34PM] Noteworthy: I didn't want to upset anyone.
[1/7 5:30:32PM] 『Thundermare』: Tho the post is now buried :awkward:
[1/7 5:30:22PM] Yuri: Debates do that
[1/7 5:30:12PM] Noteworthy: You just seemed really annoyed :stuck_out_tongue:
[1/7 5:29:49PM] 『Thundermare』: I know Jake, I know
[1/7 5:29:22PM] Noteworthy: If I wanted to be a dictator, I would've just deleted the message
[1/7 5:29:19PM] 『Thundermare』: That's fine
[1/7 5:29:12PM] Noteworthy: Thunder, I didn't want to sound like some dictator, I just wanted things to seem fair is all.
[1/7 5:28:56PM] Yuri: It sounds more towards neutral
[1/7 5:28:45PM] 『Thundermare』: I edited the post
[1/7 5:28:38PM] Noteworthy: Would you say it's fairer?
[1/7 5:28:35PM] 『Thundermare』: Okay, mind if I delete this conversation whenever we're done?
[1/7 5:28:25PM] Yuri: Reads fine to me
[1/7 5:28:00PM] 『Thundermare』: Hello @everyone! Sorry for the flurry of pings you all just went through, however we need your input on a serious matter and if you can give us some of your precious time and read this we'll be very, very grateful. Since most of you are probably not aware of what's been going on, I'll give you a short summary of it:

Since moving the chat from Wikia's Special:Chat to Discord, we've been using forums for what some would call "Major changes" and due to the change in circumstance, we've decided it's time to review this method:

The main thing that drives this potential change is to allow more users who are just discord users to leave their input on a channel but equally, this would mean removing a dedicated page about dedicated problems relating to certain issues.
the best way to share your opinion on this matter would be leaving a comment on the forum (http​://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Moving_All_future_Chat_discussions_to_Discord) where you can see all arguments made about this move which is recommended. However, since some of you do not have a Wikia account we've made it possible for you to leave your input here. How does it work? You click on one and only one of the reactions below (double reactions/joke reactions won't be counted and will be removed) and if you have any extra comments to leave (which does not include "don't ping me please" or joke comments!) it'll be greatly appreciated if you leave one here. Thank you for being patient and coping with us and have fun ponying! :heart:
[1/7 5:27:43PM] Noteworthy: @HVLO ? @Scootaloo ?
[1/7 5:27:32PM] Noteworthy: I'm keen for opinions, we are a democracy afterall.
[1/7 5:27:11PM] Noteworthy: Would you agree that perhaps this is more neutral?
[1/7 5:26:38PM] 『Thundermare』: Thanks
[1/7 5:26:32PM] Noteworthy: Yeah - I've done what was requested?
[1/7 5:25:59PM] Noteworthy: Hello @/everyone! Sorry for the flurry of pings you all just went through, however we need your input on a serious matter and if you can give us some of your precious time and read this we'll be very, very grateful. Since most of you are probably not aware of what's been going on, I'll give you a short summary of it:

Since moving the chat from Wikia's Special:Chat to Discord, we've been using forums for what some would call "Major changes" and due to the change in circumstance, we've decided it's time to review this method:

*The main thing that drives this potential change is to allow more users who are just discord users to leave their input on a channel but equally, this would mean removing a dedicated page about dedicated problems relating to certain issues.
the best way to share your opinion on this matter would be leaving a comment on the forum (http​://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Moving_All_future_Chat_discussions_to_Discord) where you can see all arguments made about this move which is recommended. However, since some of you do not have a Wikia account we've made it possible for you to leave your input here. How does it work? You click on one and only one of the reactions below (double reactions/joke reactions won't be counted and will be removed) and if you have any extra comments to leave (which does not include "don't ping me please" or joke comments!) it'll be greatly appreciated if you leave one here. Thank you for being patient and coping with us and have fun ponying! :heart:(edited)
[1/7 5:25:55PM] 『Thundermare』: Are you done?
[1/7 5:22:07PM] Noteworthy: Ahh
[1/7 5:22:00PM] Noteworthy: Hello @/everyone! Sorry for the flurry of pings you all just went through, however we need your input on a serious matter and if you can give us some of your precious time and read this we'll be very, very grateful. Since most of you are probably not aware of what's been going on, I'll give you a short summary of it:

Since moving the chat from Wikia's Special:Chat to Discord, we've been using forums for what some would call "Major changes" and due to the change in circumstance, we've decided it's time to review this method:

- This change may appeal to those who do not wish to have a discord account due to there being a place, here, for you to have a say.
- However, forums do have a better layout which is easier to read and discuss on for some, which is a counterargument and some believe that this said move will result in a chat disconnected which can be dangerous.
The best way to share your opinion on this matter would be leaving a comment on the forum (http​://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Moving_All_future_Chat_discussions_to_Discord) where you can see all arguments made about this move which is recommended. However, since some of you do not have a Wikia account we've made it possible for you to leave your input here. How does it work? You click on one and only one of the reactions below (double reactions/joke reactions won't be counted and will be removed) and if you have any extra comments to leave (which does not include "don't ping me please" or joke comments!) it'll be greatly appreciated if you leave one here. Thank you for being patient and coping with us and have fun ponying! :heart:(edited)
[1/7 5:21:48PM] Noteworthy: Accidental post
[1/7 5:21:37PM] Noteworthy:
[1/7 5:18:55PM] Yuri: What about suggesting an improvment and then letting Marey delete/edit it of their own accord?
[1/7 5:18:32PM] 『Thundermare』: Not deleting it :yuno:
[1/7 5:18:04PM] Noteworthy: Deleting your message because I disagree with it or even altering it for that matter would've been gross misconduct.
[1/7 5:17:38PM] 『Thundermare』: And I'm saying how you could've improved it instead
[1/7 5:17:17PM] Noteworthy: As I keep saying my only issue is with that announcement. Which I've made clear why I disagree with it.
[1/7 5:16:59PM] Noteworthy: I don't want to leave my opinon on the actual matter at hands as I've already left it.
[1/7 5:16:25PM] 『Thundermare』: I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't have taken half an hour either
[1/7 5:16:05PM] 『Thundermare』: Is it really my job to say why you don't like something? I'm just saying that you could simply say that for yourself
[1/7 5:16:03PM] Noteworthy: and that's okay, people are allowed to disagree.
[1/7 5:15:50PM] Noteworthy: Look, I do get your point - I really really do, and I don't want you thinking I don't but I do disagree with it.
[1/7 5:15:03PM] Noteworthy: You changed it and added one point to a very outnumbered message
[1/7 5:14:19PM] 『Thundermare』: And I changed it
[1/7 5:13:22PM] Noteworthy: My issue is with the announcement, nothing else.
[1/7 5:13:12PM] Noteworthy: I can't possibly talk about that when the main issue I see here is still plastered on this channel.
[1/7 5:12:59PM] Yuri: If you only post the forum once, what's stopping someone going "I got a lot of pings, so I didn't know one was for a forum". Because thta's not laziness, that's missing out
[1/7 5:12:51PM] 『Thundermare』: Jake, I would've loved to see your message not being about the announcement being one sided, but instead talking about the other side's points
[1/7 5:12:15PM] Yuri: So you need to constantly prod the lazy so that whatever the outcome they can't complain
[1/7 5:11:49PM] Noteworthy: Do you see what I mean?
[1/7 5:11:45PM] Noteworthy: I agree with that H4M I just don't agree with putting one side into the announcement message
[1/7 5:11:39PM] Jon: in a perfect world we wouldn't have to cater to laziness, this is not a how-we-grew-up issue here
[1/7 5:11:37PM] TheUltimateH4M: but it's important that we get that opinion out of them, however it needs to be done
[1/7 5:11:23PM] Yuri: Thing is, if you don't cater to the lazy, they can moan like no tomorrow
[1/7 5:11:17PM] TheUltimateH4M: I don't think it's about people not caring. I'm sure almost everyone in this server has an opinion on this issue, but participating in the forum probably isn't at the top of their priority list
[1/7 5:10:51PM] 『Thundermare』: Did the first people who made their points make it based on a one-sided debate?
[1/7 5:10:47PM] Noteworthy: I mean, this is a difficult situation for me. I won't lie, I feel completely outnumbered and where I'm from, the norm isn't to cater for those who are lazy but the otherway around. Perhaps you guys grew up in a different environement and maybe I'm the weirdo, I don't know.
[1/7 5:10:25PM] Noteworthy: That's perfectly alright because they can make their minds when they read the entire forum page rather than making their decision based on one-sided debates.
[1/7 5:09:51PM] 『Thundermare』: And he made his points in a forum that was mentioned to everyone
[1/7 5:09:17PM] Noteworthy: Because if he makes a forum, he's welcome to make his points in the forum. The difference is that you pinged everyone with this one sided message
[1/7 5:09:07PM] Yuri: And then, when the forum ends, if people go "Oh I didn't want that" you can go "we posted it loads of times, and you had your chance"
[1/7 5:08:47PM] 『Thundermare』: Why do you not call Jon unfair because of posting the exact same thing on the forum tho?
[1/7 5:08:35PM] Yuri: Now it's just convincing anyone too lazy to care to actually look at it
[1/7 5:08:06PM] Yuri: I reckon, anyone that cared about the forum posted within the first 48 hours
[1/7 5:07:44PM] 『Thundermare』: Fair
[1/7 5:07:44PM] Noteworthy: I mean afterall, we are talking about an announcement in this channel?
[1/7 5:07:28PM] Noteworthy: I don't know where else this woudl fit.
[1/7 5:07:15PM] TheUltimateH4M: what channel does it belong in
[1/7 5:06:57PM] 『Thundermare』: Can we please, please, please take this convo to another channel?
[1/7 5:06:40PM] Yuri: So it might fall under a laziness vs caring issue
[1/7 5:06:08PM] Yuri: In fact, I bet 90% of the people here joined just cause it's MLP related over actaully caring about Wiki issues
[1/7 5:05:43PM] Noteworthy: Because if it really mattered to someone, they'd want to do something about it and be informed of everything they need to.
[1/7 5:05:28PM] Noteworthy: Sure - that's why we left this as an option.
[1/7 5:05:26PM] Yuri: And if you can't leave a response, why bother reading it?
[1/7 5:05:17PM] Yuri: But you do to leave a response
[1/7 5:05:08PM] Noteworthy: You don't need to be registered with fandom to read the forum
[1/7 5:04:55PM] Yuri: Are we assuming this is people with a registered Fandom account?
[1/7 5:04:31PM] Noteworthy: Why the hell are we catering for people who literally cannot be bothered to move their mouse a few inches.
[1/7 5:04:19PM] Noteworthy: Like what the hell are we talking about here, being lazy is not a disability. It's people choosing not to be bothered to do something.
[1/7 5:04:00PM] Noteworthy: Learn to stop being lazy?
[1/7 5:03:52PM] Lil' Shaddie (Bday today!): So what do people who care but are too lazy to click the link supposed to do?
[1/7 5:03:47PM] Yuri: Some people simply don't care
[1/7 5:03:36PM] Yuri: Well some people have already moaned about being pinged
[1/7 5:02:57PM] Noteworthy: Then perhaps they shouldn't be lazy over issues that are important to them?
[1/7 5:02:45PM] 『Thundermare』: Then people who are not lazy will click and see it, that's fantastic
[1/7 5:02:33PM] Noteworthy: Anyone who cares enough is more than welcome to click the link.
[1/7 5:02:22PM] Noteworthy: Of course we are, but I don't need to leave my input here because I've already left it in the forums.
[1/7 5:02:06PM] TheUltimateH4M: but we're allowing input to be given in this channel as well as part of the compromise, are we not?
[1/7 5:02:03PM] Yuri: "issue" is the correct word, even if it normally looks like has negative conotations
[1/7 5:01:24PM] Yuri: And 9/11 is called an "anniversary", despite that word commonly being assicated with good things. So you know, words in the correct usage can still look wrong
[1/7 5:00:58PM] Noteworthy: I've said my input on the fourms, where they belong at this time.
[1/7 5:00:38PM] Noteworthy: oh
[1/7 5:00:32PM] Noteworthy: The whole message is very one sided.
[1/7 5:00:32PM] 『Thundermare』: Not the message, the move
[1/7 5:00:24PM] Noteworthy: It's not neutral - whatsoever.
[1/7 5:00:16PM] Noteworthy: I already have. 3 times.
[1/7 5:00:08PM] 『Thundermare』: right now
[1/7 5:00:07PM] 『Thundermare』: right here
[1/7 5:00:06PM] 『Thundermare』: Post the reason you oppose it
[1/7 5:00:00PM] 『Thundermare』: Jake, Jake
[1/7 4:59:44PM] Noteworthy: "Yeah, one issue with that way of thinking"
[1/7 4:59:38PM] Noteworthy: "Why are you making such an issue out of that" is one thing
[1/7 4:59:26PM] Noteworthy: I've never met a single person who takes issues that way
[1/7 4:59:18PM] Yuri: I'm unsure what other word could take its place
[1/7 4:59:17PM] Noteworthy: That may be the actual definition but people never see it that way
[1/7 4:58:43PM] Yuri: Issue: "an important topic or problem for debate or discussion."
[1/7 4:58:03PM] Noteworthy: "there are ISSUES with that"
[1/7 4:58:01PM] Yuri: Not the actual parts you think are unfair
[1/7 4:57:53PM] Noteworthy: Since moving the chat from Wikia's Special:Chat to Discord, we've been using forums for what some would call "Major changes" and there are a few issues with that:
[1/7 4:57:52PM] Noteworthy: May I draw attention to this sentence
[1/7 4:57:50PM] Yuri: No, you left an administrive message on how yout hink it should be structured
[1/7 4:57:40PM] Noteworthy: Oh really?
[1/7 4:57:33PM] Lil' Shaddie (Bday today!): I can't really see how it's one-sided
[1/7 4:57:33PM] Noteworthy: I literally just said.
[1/7 4:57:22PM] Yuri: So I think, if I read his question right, why do you think the mesage is unfair?
[1/7 4:57:04PM] 『Thundermare』: Yes they can, if you mention them here right now
[1/7 4:57:03PM] Yuri: But, and I think this is what Shaddie is after, only you are claiming its one-sideness
[1/7 4:56:33PM] Noteworthy: Surely people have to see my point in all this.
[1/7 4:56:23PM] Noteworthy: If you post a message to everyone, it's only fair and rational to not make it one-sided otherwise it's foul-play and some could even say it's advertising towards a particular cause. If you have to put a summary because we have to cater for lazyness, it should be something that's fair and not something that's clearly one-sided. I would personally never do that.
[1/7 4:54:32PM] Noteworthy: Certainly.
[1/7 4:54:20PM] Lil' Shaddie (Bday today!): Would you like to explain why you think it's unfair?
[1/7 4:54:19PM] Noteworthy: It was literally a post that said "Hey everyone, forums suck, leave input please"
[1/7 4:54:01PM] Noteworthy: I butcher it because it was originally posted as even more unfair than what this is
[1/7 4:53:45PM] 『Thundermare』: You could simply say what your counterargument is instead of butchering it
[1/7 4:53:39PM] Yuri: Which only reflects the current facts avalbile right now
[1/7 4:53:06PM] Noteworthy: I still don't think that message is a fair representation for both sides, it definately favours one side over the other.
[1/7 4:52:28PM] Yuri: Yeah, if they care. But caring and laziness are two different things
[1/7 4:51:58PM] TheUltimateH4M: because if your customers are lazy and you don't incentivize them to do stuff, you're not going to get any revenue
[1/7 4:51:56PM] Noteworthy: From my experience, if people care about something enough to bother leaving their input, they will move their mouse a few inches and click on a link.
[1/7 4:51:38PM] Yuri: I mean, we're currently talking to each over over a device made out of human laziness
[1/7 4:51:30PM] Noteworthy: H4M, I too have worked in marketing.
[1/7 4:51:19PM] TheUltimateH4M: part of my job is catering to lazyness
[1/7 4:51:13PM] TheUltimateH4M: because that's how the internet works
[1/7 4:51:10PM] Yuri: Because if you don't cater to laziness you won't get any input
[1/7 4:50:51PM] Noteworthy: H4M even said it was lazyness.
[1/7 4:50:43PM] Noteworthy: I just don't get why we are catering for lazyness.
[1/7 4:50:21PM] 『Thundermare』: I've posted all anyone has said so far, and linked the main forum and mentioned that it includes all arguments
[1/7 4:49:56PM] Noteworthy: You've put more negatives than postitives.
[1/7 4:49:46PM] Noteworthy: The post that @T-Marey posted is not neutral or fair.
[1/7 4:49:10PM] Yuri: Sometimes people want a synopsis before clicking in
[1/7 4:49:06PM] 『Thundermare』: They can't care enough about the matter if they don't know what exactly it is, now can we take this to another channel?
[1/7 4:49:01PM] TheUltimateH4M: it would be best to leave some points from the forum itself to give a preview of the talking points involved rather than just "hey guys click on this and read it"
[1/7 4:48:50PM] Yuri: And that's like saying we don't need blurbs on books because you can just read the book itself
[1/7 4:48:47PM] Noteworthy: Pretty sure if something mattered to someone, they would click the link.
[1/7 4:48:39PM] Noteworthy: Then surely they don't care enough about the matter to leave their input?
[1/7 4:48:19PM] TheUltimateH4M: as someone who works at a marketing firm building websites, I can assure you that people are very lazy about clicking on stuff on the internet
[1/7 4:48:07PM] Yuri: Unless you're on phone and don't want to close the app
[1/7 4:47:23PM] Noteworthy: Having discord requires internet access, I'm pretty sure they can click a link to read a forum.
[1/7 4:47:07PM] Noteworthy: Pretty sure everyone on Discord can read the post.
[1/7 4:46:44PM] TheUltimateH4M: those are the points made on the forum though
[1/7 4:46:14PM] Noteworthy: I've already made an accouncement asking people to participate - it's up to them what they do next.
[1/7 4:45:34PM] Noteworthy: Sorry but I still don't think that's a good message
[1/7 4:44:47PM] 『Thundermare』: Now can I remove these messages
[1/7 4:44:43PM] 『Thundermare』: Done
[1/7 4:44:04PM] Noteworthy: That's your opinion and that's okay but no one on the other side has made an announcement with their side of the arguement because it isn't fair.
[1/7 4:43:34PM] 『Thundermare』: We could take this to a better place but sure
[1/7 4:43:16PM] Tatsumaki: :up:  |  Noteworthy leveled up!
[1/7 4:43:15PM] Noteworthy: @T-Marey I would ask you to alter your post so it doesn't make loads of points towards one side of the debate in an everyone post.
[1/7 4:43:14PM] Yuri: That being said, CoDferance eventually got scrapped for its flaws
[1/7 4:42:37PM] Jon: thank you for your input, hopefully others do the same
[1/7 4:42:29PM] Yuri: Both ahve their own benefits and downsides
[1/7 4:42:16PM] Yuri: So I'm neutral really
[1/7 4:42:10PM] Yuri: I've seen the benefits of both using forums and using chat consensus
[1/7 4:42:04PM] Noteworthy: I don’t think it’s fair that you make loads of points for your arguement in an everyone announcement.
[1/7 4:41:38PM] 『Thundermare』: I copy pasted what Jon said
[1/7 4:41:33PM] Jon: This is a matter of moving Forum:Chat_discussion
[1/7 4:41:23PM] Noteworthy: Also - I deliberately kept my announcement neutral which isn’t something you’ve followed...?
[1/7 4:41:07PM] Jon: Only chat-related discussion
[1/7 4:40:56PM] Yuri: There is one question I have since it's a bit weirdly worded. Does it mean all future discussions related only to chat will be hosted here. Or that all future forum discussions will take place here?
[1/7 4:40:50PM] Noteworthy: Why have you made another announcement when I’ve already made two
[1/7 4:40:34PM] Talos: :top: :regional_indicator_k: :regional_indicator_e: :regional_indicator_k:
[1/7 4:40:33PM] KS | school911: kek kek. :yuno:
[1/7 4:40:28PM] Jon: don't vote for the sake of voting, this matter directly affects you
[1/7 4:39:59PM] SkyiplierLusty: cool