[19:32:46] @Ninjadog13: btw on the Russian one, personally I think we should accept Russian Empire, as whilst only a small minority of people will put it, it is still correct and someone will inevitably put it and complain when they don't get it right
[19:32:54] @Ninjadog13: also I don't see the harm in adding it
[19:37:56] %Ryo /ta Mi/tarai: I think Russian Empire should be accepted, because most empires have been referred with ''empire'' in the names as well.
[19:38:08] %Ryo /ta Mi/tarai: Like the Second Bulgarian Empire.
[19:38:36] #Azu✬uli✬: I don't see the harm in adding empire, if people know the q and are gonna get it wrong due to adding an extra thing then I dont think thats fair
[19:39:06] #Azu✬uli✬: With WL and scripted you can, in most cases just say a last name for people but a lot of people still answer in full
[19:39:15] #Azu✬uli✬: and we accept both first and last in that scenario
20:01:28] #SteelEdges: #Azu✬uli✬: I don't see the harm in adding empire, if people know the q and are gonna get it wrong due to adding an extra thing then I dont think thats fair
[20:01:28] #SteelEdges: It's answer padding and that's bad.
[20:01:36] #SteelEdges: There's no reason to do it other than "don't see the harm." It adds needless clutter.
[20:01:54] #SteelEdges: The only time it should be fine are with peoples' first and last names and geographic feature.
[20:02:00] #SteelEdges: "I don't think there's anything wrong with it" is not an argument.
[20:05:26] %Ryo /ta Mi/tarai: Well let's say that some (or most not sure) have ''empire'' as part of their name.
[20:05:50] #SteelEdges: Answer padding is needless and negative.
[20:05:55] @Ninjadog13: Some people do actually answer with it though, and it's still correct.
[20:06:02] @Ninjadog13: I mean only a small minority, but still
[20:06:29] #SteelEdges: It's still not something we should encourage. I believe the trivia guidelines should be written so that players know to submit the simplest possible answer.
20:11:48] #Azu✬uli✬: [13:01:04] #SteelEdges: It's answer padding and that's bad.
[20:11:48] #Azu✬uli✬: [13:01:12] #SteelEdges: There's no reason to do it other than "don't see the harm." It adds needless clutter.
[20:11:54] #Azu✬uli✬: I dont agree with this.
[20:12:01] #Azu✬uli✬: And I think we need to discuss it more with fellow staff.
[20:12:15] #SteelEdges: People shouldn't be adding things just because it's harmless.
[20:12:36] #Azu✬uli✬: That's the thing we don't when we consider answers. We think of the people answering them
[20:12:45] #Azu✬uli✬: and observe how they react
[20:12:56] #SteelEdges: It would be easier to instruct them to prefer simpler areas. We could fix this in the guidelines of the room
[20:13:21] #Azu✬uli✬: If someone is new to the room they're not going to know qw guidelines
[20:13:28] #Azu✬uli✬: there are trivia regs who dont even know qw guidelines
[20:13:35] #Azu✬uli✬: Its better to just include both answers
[20:13:35] #SteelEdges: I am talking about trivia guidelines, not QW guidelines.
[20:13:40] #Azu✬uli✬: Okay.
[20:13:46] #SteelEdges: I would be happy to write or rewrite trivia guidelines to including this.
[20:13:50] #SteelEdges: *include
[20:14:23] #Azu✬uli✬: to say that you shouldnt include type or empires for things?
[20:14:31] #Azu✬uli✬: I dont think thats the direction we should go
[20:14:33] #SteelEdges: Yeah. Or anything else you'd want me to add.
[20:14:50] #Azu✬uli✬: I like the system we have now in Trivia
[20:15:05] #SteelEdges: Adding them takes time and effort that would be better spent elsewhere.
[20:15:09] #Azu✬uli✬: QW guidelines need to be updated and have been brought up in qw chat
[20:15:14] #SteelEdges: Great. I'll do that.
[20:15:38] #Azu✬uli✬: I dont mind taking the time or effort to add them myself, it takes like 30 seconds for each q
[20:15:44] #SteelEdges: It's just pointless.
[20:15:47] #Azu✬uli✬: I dont agree
[20:15:57] #Azu✬uli✬: It isn't pointless at all
[20:16:18] #Azu✬uli✬: You're saying you don't want to include more answers for a question that some will answer because it'll take more of your time
[20:16:25] #SteelEdges: Among other reasons.
[20:16:29] #SteelEdges: It's just needless. It takes up space.
[20:16:33] #SteelEdges: It's redundant.
[20:16:44] #Azu✬uli✬: It's for answers, I dont see how space is an issue