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  3. DvLyonToday at 2:48 PM
  4. Hello, IDK if you're Yanfly or know the guy. I'm from Musubi Game Studio. We're not from China and I'd like to set things straight. Please, get back to me whenever you can.
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  8. πŸ‡πŸ‡πŸ‡Today at 2:49 PM
  9. I'm here.
  10. What are you trying to set straight?
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  14. DvLyonToday at 2:50 PM
  15. Are you Yanfly? I'm not here to start a fight or anything.
  17. πŸ‡πŸ‡πŸ‡Today at 2:50 PM
  18. Yes, I am.
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  22. DvLyonToday at 2:59 PM
  23. Hello, I'm David. All I'm here to say is that Foundation is one of our clients, he did requested a couple plugins that, yes, mimic the functionality of some plugins that had already been done. We told him that and he ordered them anyway. All I did was check what was already done.
  25. I was never told Foundation was going to re-sell those scripts.
  27. We've had over 40 orders, of very different plugins and we had never had any issues before. We're not here to steal from you, or anyone.
  29. If you think we violated any rules, we'll gladly redo our work and talk to Foundation about it. We merely ask we keep this between us. I mean, you're famous! We're a small team from Venezuela, believe it or not, we make a livelihood from that Fiverr account. All we are asking atm is to handle this between us.
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  33. πŸ‡πŸ‡πŸ‡Today at 3:02 PM
  34. By mimicking the functionality of the plugins that I, Galv, MogHunter, Victor Engine, and who else have done, you straight up lifted the code.
  35. I did a search for our names on there, not a single one of us was credited.
  36. That is straight up theft.
  37. Do you have anything to say about that?
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  41. DvLyonToday at 3:08 PM
  42. Well, I don't know a couple of those you named.
  44. I think when working on 2 things that do the "same", it's pretty hard to do 2 completely different things. But, I do get your point.
  46. However, I think we can solve this. Can't we? We'll talk to Foundation to take down his plugins that you say are affected by this. We'll add proper credits in the case of those that require it, and change the way others work, if needed be.
  48. I just want to set things right.
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  52. πŸ‡πŸ‡πŸ‡Today at 3:09 PM
  53. I'm going to straight up say it.
  54. Spare me the lies.
  55. You took the code from other plugin developers, changed around a few methods, while leaving their cores intact.
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  59. DvLyonToday at 3:10 PM
  60. I can send you many of the plugins we've made, if you want, you can see for yourself.
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  64. πŸ‡πŸ‡πŸ‡Today at 3:10 PM
  65. The real problem here is that you took our work, which is meant to be free, sold it as profit for your own.
  66. I already have the evidence I need.
  67. If you think you can pull a fast one over my head, you're digging your own grave.
  68. So I will ask you, is it bravery or foolishness that is the basis of this unfounded courage to send your code to me?
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  72. DvLyonToday at 3:13 PM
  73. I'm not saying you're wrong or mistaken. I'm telling you we want to fix this. Otherwise I wouldn't have gone through the hoops to reach you.
  75. I'm offering to send you the plugins we've done because I've got nothing to hide. If we did something wrong, we want to make things right.
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  79. πŸ‡πŸ‡πŸ‡Today at 3:14 PM
  80. Then I'll tell you how to set things right.
  81. 1. Reveal to the public every commission you've done and the plugin you've delivered.
  82. This way, the whole world can see for themselves, from beginners to experts, to make judgment instead of just me.
  83. 2. Refund and any of your other clients that you have sold services to that involved stolen code.
  84. They are as much of a victim as you are for them trying to resell the code. Neither one of your parties are innocent there.
  85. 3. Close down your Fiverr account.
  86. You aren't doing the RPG Maker community any favors.
  87. That is all.
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  91. DvLyonToday at 3:22 PM
  92. 1- We can't reveal the plugins we've done to our customers, because that's their private property. I offered to show some of those to you in good faith.
  94. 2- We're already working out things with Foundation. We don't have any issues with anyone else.
  96. 3- Well, again, that's how make our livelihood. We won't do that.
  98. I was really hoping you'd be more understandable. We're trying to make things right. We tried and contacted you, unlike what you did. All we want is to have the negative publicity removed. Not just for us, but for our customers that have no quarrel here.
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  102. πŸ‡πŸ‡πŸ‡Today at 3:23 PM
  103. Excuse me.
  104. Did you just try to negotiate with me?
  105. I don't think you're in a situation where you're allowed the ground to negotiate.
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  109. DvLyonToday at 3:26 PM
  110. Mate, I get why you're upset. We're not trying to screw anyone over here. I told you we just want to make things right. I can't do either 1 or 3, we're already working on point 2.
  112. All I'm saying is, what else can I do to right our wrongs?
  114. And all I'm asking is, what can we do so you'd be willing to take down the post?
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  118. πŸ‡πŸ‡πŸ‡Today at 3:27 PM
  119. Upset is selling it short.
  120. You're admitting to being thieves for a living.
  121. And that post will NOT go down.
  122. In fact, everything in this conversation will go up publicly.
  123. I am NOT going to let you prey on the good will of the people that keep together a community for your own selfish and unethical gain.
  124. If you think there is a way I would soften things in your favor just so you can continue stealing other people's hard work for your own gain, you've picked the wrong person to confront about this.
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  128. DvLyonToday at 3:32 PM
  129. Well no, not really. I told you, we've done well over 40 plugin, and I'm telling you we can send them to you so you can check them.
  131. Again, we already talked and fixed things with Foundation.
  133. I'm not asking you to soften anything, we just wanted to work things out :confused:
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  137. πŸ‡πŸ‡πŸ‡Today at 3:33 PM
  138. I'm giving you one last chance to commit to all 3.
  139. There is nothing for me to work out.
  140. It's all on your own.
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  144. DvLyonToday at 3:33 PM
  145. Ok, can you hear me one second?
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  149. πŸ‡πŸ‡πŸ‡Today at 3:34 PM
  150. If I don't like your next response, you're blocked and this goes public.
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  154. DvLyonToday at 3:40 PM
  155. Let's say, this guy Wazaga, we made him a Pokemon-like system, the whole thing, turn battles, 4 skills, enemy levels, stat and attack formulas, etc, etc, etc. It was a couple of months work. He paid for that, for it to be private, only his. How can I just simply publish that code? We just keep a copy in case he wants to change something of finds a bug, but that's not mine.
  157. And the Fiverr account isn't mine. And we've worked on it, for years. We made a couple mistakes with one customer. It's our way of having food on our tables. We don't only use it for RMMV plugins. What difference does it make if we close it? We could just open a new one, couldn't we?
  159. You want a public apology, we'll do that. You want Foundation's store or whatever to take down the plugins you're claiming copyright issues over, we'll do that.
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  163. πŸ‡πŸ‡πŸ‡Today at 3:45 PM
  164. What you're giving me right now are excuses. Even if you're trying to respect the privacy of your clients right now, it doesn't mean anything with your low credentials at the moment. For all we know, the Pokemon system may have been lifted from Pokemon Essentials. But that is not the point.
  166. The point is you're making a profit off of other people's hard work. Not just from me. From Galv, who left because he did not get enough support from the community. From Victor Engine, who has the same problems. From Mog Hunter, who already suffered from another person stealing his code FROM YOUR SAME COUNTRY as well. This cannot be excused. No matter how hard you are to try to stay professional, your credentials are dropping by the minute, to the point where you're no longer allowed to strike a deal here.
  168. I'm going to straight up say I do not like your response. You're the one trying to make US, the victims, bargain with you. That is laughable, disrespectful, and above all, scummy.
  170. You're going to be blocked, this will be posted publicly, and you will stay away from the RPG Maker community from now on.
  172. Farewell.
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