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  1. [6/17/2017 6:51:23 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: The other category of expenses are soft money costs. These include potential expenses, but which are not necessarily actually going to be spent.
  2. [6/17/2017 6:51:36 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: $950 USD has been proposed.
  3. [6/17/2017 6:51:49 PM | Edited 6:52:11 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: In terms of revenue, I will provide the bulk of it in monthly payments of around $90 per month.
  4. [6/17/2017 6:52:02 PM] King Adam: What is the current balance of the treasury?
  5. [6/17/2017 6:52:25 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: Well, of the budgetary vault, there is none.
  6. [6/17/2017 6:53:03 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: The monetary vault (tied to the value of the persuma) has more than $300, but the budgetary vault has no money in it currently.
  7. [6/17/2017 6:53:28 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: I intend to use a PayPal account ([email protected]) for that purpose.
  8. [6/17/2017 6:53:45 PM] King Adam: And I see a proposed $25 quarterly voluntary head tax.
  9. [6/17/2017 6:54:09 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: That is not a hard figure (hence why it is shaded yellow).
  10. [6/17/2017 6:54:38 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: M. Barnet has told me privately that he would be willing to help cover some of the costs.
  11. [6/17/2017 6:54:58 PM | Edited 6:55:04 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: But I suspect $25 might be too much for some, even for him.
  12. [6/17/2017 6:55:11 PM] King Adam: I think it a good target all the same.
  13. [6/17/2017 6:55:34 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: Any little bit would help.
  14. [6/17/2017 6:56:03 PM] Jacob Barnet Pharmacologus Σαρκαστικός: My contributions will depend (obviously) on my employment status over the next few months.
  15. [6/17/2017 6:56:24 PM] Jacob Barnet Pharmacologus Σαρκαστικός: That said, $25 quarterly is more than managable regardless.
  16. [6/17/2017 6:56:37 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: Of course. These payments aren't required of anyone, but I would appreciate them.
  17. [6/17/2017 6:56:54 PM] King Adam: I think we are all in agreement on the budget?
  18. [6/17/2017 6:57:14 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: I am.
  19. [6/17/2017 6:57:30 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: Though I also note that I will track expenses and revenues on a spreadsheet.
  20. [6/17/2017 6:57:47 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: That will be able to be found here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14qwZsnFv3amz4J-zoOenkkWDrw2M-F3b3fBzAdahBZo/edit?usp=sharing
  21. [6/17/2017 6:58:11 PM] King Adam: This budget has my assent. M. Barnet?
  22. [6/17/2017 6:58:21 PM] Jacob Barnet Pharmacologus Σαρκαστικός: It has mine.
  23. [6/17/2017 6:58:38 PM] King Adam: Item three, then: the monetary system.
  24. [6/17/2017 6:59:58 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: As M. Barnet has pointed out, this is the most difficult item.
  25. [6/17/2017 7:00:20 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: The long and the short of it is first to establish a means to deposit salaries.
  26. [6/17/2017 7:00:38 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: The second part is to establish a system by which workers can redeem their salaries for benefits.
  27. [6/17/2017 7:01:20 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: I am hoping these will include a variety of possibilities, hence my intention to call for a second meeting (which I think we should schedule before this meeting is over).
  28. [6/17/2017 7:01:46 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: CivBanca, the proposed state bank, will include only rudimentary withdrawal and deposit systems.
  29. [6/17/2017 7:02:25 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: In the future, credit might be taken in to consideration.
  30. [6/17/2017 7:02:53 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: As for access, I ideally hope for a website, similar to the former Federal Bank of St.Charlie.
  31. [6/17/2017 7:03:16 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: It had a real website where individuals could log on to see their accounts and how many pianetas were in them.
  32. [6/17/2017 7:03:42 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: For the time being, however, I anticipate an even more antiquated system whereby I would act as the teller.
  33. [6/17/2017 7:04:09 PM] King Adam: I see no problem with that until we choose a banking software.
  34. [6/17/2017 7:04:40 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: I can speak to Akhil Indurti, one of our inactive cives, to see if he can help there.
  35. [6/17/2017 7:04:48 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: Are there any questions?
  36. [6/17/2017 7:05:34 PM] King Adam: M. Barnet wanted to talk about valuing the persuma.
  37. [6/17/2017 7:06:37 PM] Jacob Barnet Pharmacologus Σαρκαστικός: I assume these few points look at the first issue, the second issue however make be the much trickier issue. Not only the production of benefits people are interested in, but also the logistics in making sure these benefits can be delivered to people.
  38. [6/17/2017 7:07:50 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: Indeed.
  39. [6/17/2017 7:08:13 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: For that system, I imagined a section on the withdrawal form for withdrawals to be used to purchase items.
  40. [6/17/2017 7:08:35 PM] King Adam: Would persumae then revert to the state?
  41. [6/17/2017 7:08:56 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: Rather, it is more like you pay the State to buy items for you.
  42. [6/17/2017 7:09:05 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: Perhaps an example?
  43. [6/17/2017 7:09:15 PM] Jacob Barnet Pharmacologus Σαρκαστικός: An example would be useful.
  44. [6/17/2017 7:09:28 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: Say you are interested in an item on Etsy or Amazon.
  45. [6/17/2017 7:10:11 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: You could either find that item and (through a request for a withdrawal) ask us to purchase the item for you, and it will be sent to you.
  46. [6/17/2017 7:10:15 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: Or, (another potential option) you buy the item and we reimburse you.
  47. [6/17/2017 7:11:19 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: If you buy an item or a service in real life, you can also be reimbursed that way.
  48. [6/17/2017 7:12:01 PM] King Adam: So for reimbursement, the bank would send us our local currency, and an equivalent amount in persumae would be deducted from our account.
  49. [6/17/2017 7:12:07 PM] Jacob Barnet Pharmacologus Σαρκαστικός: Understood. I was imagining a system in which these services were furnished internally, hence my reservation.
  50. [6/17/2017 7:12:33 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: Precisely, to both of you.
  51. [6/17/2017 7:12:55 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: This is where that formula I mentioned before comes into practice. It converts the value from USD into Sandum persumae, while also accounting for a factor which makes the price advantageous to the citizen.
  52. [6/17/2017 7:13:20 PM] King Adam: And I assume we could also use persumae to purchase cooperative goods and services.
  53. [6/17/2017 7:13:25 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: Yes.
  54. [6/17/2017 7:13:39 PM | Edited 7:13:47 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: ...whenever they begin producing goods and services.
  55. [6/17/2017 7:16:40 PM] Jacob Barnet Pharmacologus Σαρκαστικός: Speaking of the production of good and services, I am pleased to note that I have recently decanted 9L of fined melomels (honey-fruit wines).
  56. [6/17/2017 7:18:07 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: And that should be a third meeting topic: how to establish an internal economy based on goods and services our citizens can produce.
  57. [6/17/2017 7:18:24 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: But congratulations, nevertheless. I look forward to having some one day!
  58. [6/17/2017 7:18:41 PM] Jacob Barnet Pharmacologus Σαρκαστικός: I will check to see if it is possible to send even a little.
  59. [6/17/2017 7:19:53 PM] King Adam: Do we want to give assent to the banking proposal thus far?
  60. [6/17/2017 7:20:08 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: I have no qualms.
  61. [6/17/2017 7:21:06 PM] Jacob Barnet Pharmacologus Σαρκαστικός: I assent, assuming of course that we will meet in future to discuss and assess options for banking software.
  62. [6/17/2017 7:21:31 PM] King Adam: Likewise.
  63. [6/17/2017 7:21:52 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: Of course.
  64. [6/17/2017 7:21:57 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: I am flying blind.
  65. [6/17/2017 7:22:58 PM] Jacob Barnet Pharmacologus Σαρκαστικός: I will ask around, both to Petya and to Luke, both of whom might feasibly have some knowledge of the issue. But yes, the proposal as it stands has my assent.
  66. [6/17/2017 7:24:18 PM] King Adam: I think our next item is scheduling the next meeting.
  67. [6/17/2017 7:24:52 PM] King Adam: Perhaps next month?
  68. [6/17/2017 7:25:15 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: That would work!
  69. [6/17/2017 7:25:39 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: Though, it depends what time. It looks like I might be gone from 9 July to around 20 July.
  70. [6/17/2017 7:25:53 PM] Jacob Barnet Pharmacologus Σαρκαστικός: Towards the end of the month is fine. I am here, there and everywhere in the first two thirds of the month.
  71. [6/17/2017 7:26:24 PM] King Adam: Perhaps we can just discuss it informally later
  72. [6/17/2017 7:27:12 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: Sure.
  73. [6/17/2017 7:27:47 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: And the topic, just to reiterate, is to establish a system of rewards, so we can talk about that formula again in the future.
  74. [6/17/2017 7:29:14 PM] King Adam: And the one after that will be on a future framework for economic democracy.
  75. [6/17/2017 7:30:20 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: And the one after that on the bank.
  76. [6/17/2017 7:31:08 PM] Jacob Barnet Pharmacologus Σαρκαστικός: Much work ahead then. Good to see.
  77. [6/17/2017 7:31:35 PM] King Adam: If there is nothing further, I will adjourn us.
  78. [6/17/2017 7:31:43 PM] Sôgmô C. Soergel Publicola: I have nothing.
  79. [6/17/2017 7:31:46 PM] Jacob Barnet Pharmacologus Σαρκαστικός: Nor I.
  80. [6/17/2017 7:32:07 PM] King Adam: We are adjourned. Thank you all.
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