Miles and Parax Explain Other M

[15:28:55] <Parax> http://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums/zu-news-article-discussion/145465-just-a-few-more-wii-u-rumors-metroid-and-android.html
[15:29:25] <Parax> The first, for any Metroid fan, is very exciting news; it is being rumored that the next Metroid game is already in development for the Wii U. Apparently Epic Studios, known for games such as Gears of War, has teamed up with Nintendo to bring us the newest installment of the Metroid series; furthermore, it will run on their Unreal Engine 3.Will we see Samus embark on her newest journey
[15:29:25] <Parax> by the end of the year? Perhaps, but until then E3 will surely reveal the details on not only this rumor but also the next.
01[15:30:42] <ingx24> oh god
01[15:31:04] <ingx24> i dont trust anyone but retro with metroid after other m
[15:32:43] <Parax> yeah this sounds like it might be a repeat of other m
[15:32:44] <Parax> <_<
01[15:33:18] <ingx24> apparently other m was mostly made by nintendo themselves
01[15:33:31] <ingx24> team ninja only did a few things with the programming and shit
[15:40:22] <Parax> actually
[15:40:30] <Parax> the next metroid game being a third person shooter makes a lot of sense
[15:40:45] <Parax> lets them go back to metroid prime style gameplay after other m's flop without being too similar to metroid prime
01[15:42:52] <ingx24> also i heard they fucked up the story in other m so much that the only way to get it to make sense was to take the prime series out of the timeline
[15:43:06] <Parax> I dunno why nintendo seems to think they can't do action themselves though
[15:45:24] <@Miles> Good thing it's only a rumor
[15:46:12] <Parax> don't like the sound of it?
[15:46:57] <@Miles> [15:32:47] <Parax> yeah this sounds like it might be a repeat of other m
[15:47:27] <Parax> I'm gonna make a prediction
[15:47:58] <Parax> the game is gonna be a third-person shooter, realistic-looking (less toony than other m), will have little story but will be linear
[15:48:18] <Parax> and likely will have other m-style enemy/miniboss/boss encounters
[15:48:22] <@Miles> lol, a new Metroid with little story
01[15:49:49] <ingx24> the next metroid will be a movie instead of a game
01[15:50:05] <ingx24> other m had tons of cutscenes but this one will be ALL cutscenes :O
01[15:51:11] <ingx24> oh and samus will narrate the entire thing
01[15:51:41] <ingx24> and will be afraid of bug
01[15:51:42] <ingx24> s
01[15:51:47] <ingx24> and spiders
[16:19:27] <Parax> I am sure they'll do -something- differently than other m
[16:19:39] <Parax> nintendo is well aware of how other m was recieved
[16:20:03] <Parax> i recall an interview with reggie where he was expressing disappointment with the sales and saying they were looking into it to try to figure out why other m didn't sell more
[16:20:37] <@Miles> Sakamoto
[16:20:40] <@Miles> That wasn't so hard
[16:20:42] <Parax> which was shortly after it came out
[16:20:46] <Parax> yeah I know lol
[16:20:50] <Parax> it's obvious to us
[16:20:55] <Parax> but I guess nintendo thought they were releasing a good game
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[16:21:20] <Parax> i am sure they aren't any more happy about the negative reception than we are
[16:26:01] <@Miles> So all of you should go verify SMB
[16:26:12] <@Miles> If you haven't played it before, well, just pretend you have
[16:26:15] <@Miles> >_> <_<
01[16:26:25] <ingx24> ive actually never played other m lol
01[16:26:28] <ingx24> ive just heard about it
[16:26:38] <@Miles> Lucky you
01[16:26:50] <ingx24> apparently its ok as a standalone game but as a metroid game it blows ass
01[16:27:00] <ingx24> well, in terms of gameplay
01[16:27:03] <ingx24> the story is just wtf
[16:27:09] <Parax> it's kinda fun to speedrun
[16:27:18] <Parax> but after a few playthroughs i just got so frustrated with it
[16:27:24] <Parax> they stick locked doors and invisible walls goddamn everywhere
[16:27:27] <@Miles> The gameplay is horrible
01[16:27:42] <ingx24> i saw an entire video series about why other m sucks
[16:27:53] <@Miles> It's basically miniboss after miniboss after miniboss after miniboss after miniboss after miniboss
01[16:27:54] <ingx24> was a fun watch
[16:27:59] <@Miles> With incredibly boring combat
01[16:29:01] <ingx24> isnt other m like the most linear game ever
[16:29:03] <Parax> yeah
[16:29:07] <Parax> after you get to sector 1
[16:29:12] <Parax> there is a section that lasts a couple hours which is pretty fun
01[16:29:14] <ingx24> like, to the point where it makes fusion look nonlinear by comparison
[16:29:28] <Parax> because there's no story, it feels like you're exploring (even though it's actually really linear, but it doesn't feel like it)
[16:29:38] <Parax> but then after the story picks up again it pretty much stays sucky
[16:29:59] <@Miles> Yeah
[16:30:04] <@Miles> Interesting section
[16:30:09] <@Miles> Then the stealth sequence
[16:30:14] <Parax> if the entire game was like that section it would've been good
[16:30:15] <Parax> :/
[16:30:27] <Parax> for a first playthrough at least
[16:30:32] <Parax> the linearity wouldve sucked for speedrunning regardless
[16:30:46] <Parax> ing here is basically how the progression goes
[16:30:58] <Parax> at the very start of the game you're in this training room with this scientist who tells you how to use all of your moves
[16:31:01] <Parax> then samus lands at the bottle ship
[16:31:08] <Parax> you go a couple rooms in, meet the galactic federation troopers
[16:31:23] <Parax> which is when adam tells you you can't use any of your items
01[16:32:03] <ingx24> dont forget about the fact that samus narrates the whole thing in a droning monotone voice :O
[16:32:06] <Parax> then you fight a miniboss where you get permission to use missiles, then I think you get permission to use bombs? then shortly after you get to the main elevator room
[16:32:21] <Parax> which has three elevators leading to the three sectors
[16:32:31] <Parax> you go to sector 1 (forest type area) which is the fun part I mentioned
[16:33:00] <Parax> then when you reach the end of sector 1 you meet back up with the troopers, do this awful part where you're behind the shoulder and move at ar idiculously slow speed
[16:33:08] <Parax> fight some space pirates, go outside, get attacked by teenager ridley
01[16:33:23] <ingx24> teenager ridley what
[16:33:29] <Parax> yeah
[16:33:35] <Parax> early in the game you run into this small fluffy creature
[16:33:39] <Parax> the game keeps showing it to you
[16:33:40] <Parax> and it keeps growing
[16:33:44] <Parax> then after sector 1 it attacks you
[16:33:51] <Parax> and late in the game it's revealed that it was ridley
01[16:34:25] <ingx24> and then samus starts having vietnam flashbacks
01[16:34:28] <ingx24> for absolutely no reason
[16:34:41] <Parax> anyway, then you go to sector 3 (fire) which has this bs lava fish
[16:34:46] <Parax> there's a glass tunnel you run through
[16:34:52] <Parax> and near the end of it the lava fish jumps at you and breaks the tunnel
[16:34:57] <Parax> if you don't dodge it in time you get instantly killed
[16:35:23] <Parax> and if you're in a position where you can't dodge it, like if you're morphed or jumping, then you're just screwed
[16:35:51] <@Miles> Seriously, how the hell did they constantly make such terrible design decisions
[16:36:12] <Parax> so you keep going, run into fire enemies so adam gives you permission to use ice beam, then you keep going
[16:36:22] <Parax> and that's where you can't backtrack, or else for some reason a door won't unlock and you get permastuck later
01[16:36:41] <ingx24> WTF
01[16:36:45] <ingx24> how did they not fix that
[16:36:52] <Parax> it's kinda obscure to be fair
[16:36:58] <Parax> if i was testing the game i would never have thought to try that
[16:37:26] <Parax> so after you keep going, you go through a couple superheated rooms
[16:37:44] <Parax> then I think there's a sequence where the lava starts raising if I remember correctly and you have to climb to the top of a room
[16:37:51] <@Miles> Yeah
[16:37:53] <Parax> and then when you get to the top, adam FINALLY gives you permission to use varia suit
[16:38:04] <Parax> immediately followed by a boss fight
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[16:38:32] <Parax> you keep going after that
[16:38:37] <Parax> iirc you're chasing teenager ridley
[16:38:45] <Parax> and then finally you get to a room you can't progress past without the grapple beam
[16:38:57] <Parax> so adam tells you "never mind, i'm gonna have you do something else" and he has you backtrack to the elevator
[16:39:07] <Parax> so you go to sector 2 (ice)
[16:39:19] <@Miles> To be fair, the Grapple Beam is incredibly lethal
01[16:39:33] <ingx24> lol
[16:39:42] <Parax> against draygon, sure
[16:39:46] <Parax> who isnt in this game
[16:40:44] <Parax> anyway, you keep going a little while longer, a bridge breaks and you fall down, then you have to go through some rooms until adam gives you permission to use speed booster
[16:40:50] <Parax> then you get back to the bridge room and you can keep going
[16:41:03] <Parax> which is retarded because it means there was absolutely no reason to go through that sequence of rooms
[16:41:09] <Parax> it couldve been skipped if adam just let you use speed booster earlier
01[16:41:39] <ingx24> so youre not even doing any exploration at all
01[16:41:43] <ingx24> youre just running through rooms
[16:41:45] <Parax> yeah
01[16:41:46] <ingx24> and fighting enemies
[16:41:48] <Parax> you're just running through rooms
[16:41:50] <Parax> fighting stuff
[16:41:52] <Parax> and occasionally solving puzzles
01[16:42:00] <ingx24> even fusion was less linear than this lol
[16:42:03] <Parax> they're mostly straight line maps iirc
01[16:42:21] <ingx24> like, fusion put you on a linear path but it let you explore in the areas you were confined to
[16:42:26] <Parax> after that you find dr madeline bergman near the end of the ice area who runs away from you and reveals that one of the galactic federation troopers is a traitor who killed one of their own
[16:42:39] <Parax> then you get attacked by the traitor in this huge machine with his face conveniently obscured
[16:42:51] <Parax> after you destroy the machine, he apparently somehow manages to get away without samus noticing
[16:42:57] <@Miles> THE DELETER oh no
[16:43:00] <Parax> yes
[16:43:06] <Parax> samus has a monologue inside an elevator
[16:43:08] <Parax> she names the traitor the deleter
[16:44:34] <Parax> umm, I don't remember what happens next, lemme check a guide real quick <_<
[16:44:56] <@Miles> Doesn't Anthony get attacked and you finally get to use Grapple
[16:45:09] <@Miles> And then you don't trust him because what if he's the Deleter!?
01[16:45:23] <ingx24> you know
01[16:45:36] <ingx24> fusion makes it seem like adam was a cool guy who samus looked up to
01[16:45:45] <ingx24> then other m comes along and reveals he was actually the biggest jackass ever
[16:45:56] <Parax> ok, do you keep going through there
[16:46:07] <Parax> you get trapped in a little room with transparentish walls where enemies are shooting at you but you can't hit them
01[16:46:13] <ingx24> other m ruined adams character :[
[16:46:13] <Parax> after you're in there for 15 seconds or so, adam gives you permission to use wave beam
[16:46:22] <@Miles> Oh yeah, forgot about that
01[16:46:38] <ingx24> this is more linear than super mario bros
[16:46:47] <Parax> so you keep going, then you get back to the elevator back to the main sector
[16:46:51] <Parax> go to sector 2
[16:46:55] <Parax> go down to that area you couldn't get through before
[16:47:11] <Parax> and you see anthony (one of the troopers) getting attacked by a creature
[16:47:17] <Parax> but you can't get to him, oh no! what to do!
[16:47:22] <Parax> well, adam gives you permission to use grapple beam so you can get up there
01[16:47:31] <ingx24> anthony is the "mysterious black dude" isnt he
[16:47:34] <Parax> yes lol
[16:47:39] <@Miles> And to get permission you have to try to lock onto the grapple point
01[16:47:44] <ingx24> NO ONE REMEMBERS YOU ANTHONY
[16:47:56] <Parax> so then you can progress through sector 3 some more
[16:48:05] <Parax> eventually you get to fight the lava fish
[16:48:21] <Parax> and reach a desert-type area
[16:48:33] <Parax> then soon you get to a dark room
[16:48:47] <Parax> samus almost kills anthony because she mistakes him for the traitor
[16:49:09] <Parax> and then stuff starts happening and adam gives you permission to use super missiles to open a lava vent
[16:49:16] <Parax> then you do that and you get light and it turns out fully-grown ridley is there
[16:49:20] <Parax> and well
01[16:49:49] <ingx24> vietnam flashbacks
[16:49:59] <Parax> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrwN5jS4bt4
01[16:54:10] <ingx24> in that video at 2:34
01[16:54:13] <ingx24> is that gameplay
01[16:54:15] <ingx24> or more cutscene
01[16:54:19] <ingx24> i honestly cant tell the difference
[16:54:38] <Parax> I think this is from movie mode
[16:54:45] <@Miles> Yeah
[16:54:46] <Parax> it's gameplay
[16:54:49] <Parax> that's where you fight ridley
01[16:55:12] <ingx24> o
01[16:55:17] <ingx24> so wait
01[16:55:24] <ingx24> samus gets traumatized by ridley one second
01[16:55:28] <ingx24> then is fighting him the next?
01[16:55:29] <ingx24> wtffffffff
[16:55:31] <Parax> apparenty
[16:55:34] <Parax> *apparently
[16:55:38] <Parax> so yes
[16:55:53] <Parax> samus completely wimps out and gets anthony killed, then she doesn't even kill ridley
[16:56:01] <Parax> you lose contact with adam at that point
[16:56:46] <Parax> eventually you get back to the elevator to the main sector where you see the traitor board the elevator to sector 1
[16:56:50] <Parax> you follow him to the bioweapons research lab
01[16:56:55] <ingx24> i had a theory when i first saw that clip of samus freezing up at the sight of ridley
01[16:56:58] <ingx24> that it was because
[16:56:59] <Parax> where you find another dead trooper
01[16:57:04] <ingx24> the situation was so similar to samus's childhood
01[16:57:12] <ingx24> that it triggered that memory
01[16:57:12] <ingx24> but
01[16:57:15] <ingx24> then i realized
01[16:57:24] <ingx24> that situation happens TWICE in super metroid
[16:57:24] <Parax> yeah it's PTSD i believe
[16:57:28] <Parax> yeah <_<
01[16:57:36] <ingx24> where samus is right in front of ridley
01[16:57:41] <ingx24> and ridley is screaming at her
[16:57:50] <Parax> in the bioweapons research lab you find madeline bergman again who explains a lot of stuff to you
[16:58:18] <Parax> she tells you that they recreated a lot of creatures from zebes, like space pirates and ridley, and then reveals that there is a section of the ship that is just like tourian where mother brain is coming back
[16:58:38] <@Miles> Best part of the game coming up
[16:58:48] <Parax> oh, and on the way to sector 1, you end up at a pit you can't cross, so samus says "any objections, adam?" and enables space jump and screw attack
[16:59:40] <Parax> anyway, then you get seekers somewhere, and go back to sector 3, and go through a seeker door that leads to sector zero (aka the tourian place)
[17:00:03] <Parax> after going through a couple rooms with interesting gravity (one has reverse gravity, another one has heavy gravity), you fight nightmare from fusion
[17:00:12] <Parax> then you finally get to sector zero
[17:00:16] <Parax> samus sees an infant metroid
[17:00:19] <Parax> and...
[17:00:26] <Parax> <_< I think I need to just link the video again
01[17:00:32] <ingx24> oh man this is gonna be great
[17:00:36] <@Miles> Seriously
[17:00:41] <@Miles> It is absolutely amazing
[17:00:48] <Parax> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au3Og4utbOw
[17:12:20] <Parax> yep
[17:12:33] <Parax> after they hype you up for tourian, metroids, and mother brain, you dont actually get to do any of that stuff
01[17:13:33] <ingx24> lmao
01[17:13:42] <ingx24> so what specifically about that was hilarious
01[17:13:46] <ingx24> because the whole thing was imo
[17:13:52] <Parax> the whole thing
[17:14:02] <Parax> I like the part about the metroids not being frozen
[17:14:05] <Parax> it seems to me like they wrote that part
[17:14:13] <Parax> then the writers were like "hey, didn't adam just freeze a metroid...?"
01[17:14:16] <ingx24> LMAO
01[17:14:18] <ingx24> i thought the same thing
[17:14:19] <Parax> so they were like "oh huh, I guess we better explain that"
[17:14:51] <Parax> anyway, now your goal is to "beat ridley"
[17:14:51] <Parax> again
[17:14:56] <Parax> so you have to backtrack out of sector zero
01[17:14:58] <ingx24> lol
01[17:15:02] <ingx24> so instead of getting to do tourian
[17:15:06] <Parax> there's a part where sections of the station keep breaking off behind you and samus almost gets sucked into space
01[17:15:07] <ingx24> you get to watch an 11 minute cutscene
[17:15:09] <Parax> so samus activates gravity effect
[17:15:16] <Parax> which is basically gravity suit, except its not actually a new suit
[17:15:21] <Parax> samus just gets this purple aura around here in gravity areas
[17:15:43] <Parax> apparently they thought the gravity suit's color scheme wouldn't work well with some of the endgame cutscenes
[17:16:06] <Parax> so you fight nightmare again, because samus can't kill anything the first time she fights it, and leave sector zero
[17:16:22] <Parax> go all the way back to the bioweapons research lab
[17:16:28] <Parax> and you get hyped up for another ridley fight...
[17:16:29] <Parax> then you find ridley, dead
[17:16:36] <Parax> lesson: never get hyped up in this game
[17:17:05] <Parax> you reach a big room with several doors that have small slits you can see into the little rooms through
[17:17:11] <Parax> in one of them you find the survivor adam mentioned
[17:17:30] <Parax> but you don't get to fight it, because samus hears something, checks behind a door, and finds a freaking queen metroid
[17:17:34] <Parax> so you fight that
01[17:17:47] <ingx24> wait why would you fight the survivor
[17:17:53] <Parax> no, you fight the queen metroid
[17:17:59] <Parax> the survivor is someone else
01[17:18:01] <ingx24> i mean
01[17:18:02] <ingx24> you said
01[17:18:08] <ingx24> "but you dont get to fight it"
[17:18:09] <Parax> a door as in a different door
[17:18:29] <Parax> er oh
[17:18:30] <Parax> mistake
[17:18:33] <Parax> not sure why i wrote that
[17:18:40] <Parax> i think i meant you dont get to talk to her
01[17:18:46] <ingx24> o
[17:19:06] <Parax> anyway, the queen metroid has eggs on her back and metroids keep popping out
[17:19:11] <Parax> you have to kill them then you get a chance to attack the queen
[17:19:20] <Parax> then at the end of the fight theres a little sequence where it opens its mouth
[17:19:24] <Parax> you have to grapple into it, and then you go into its stomach
[17:19:28] <Parax> which has acid that will kill you very fast
[17:19:31] <Parax> you're supposed to kill it with a power bomb
[17:19:41] <Parax> however the game never tells you that you can actually use power bombs now
[17:19:46] <Parax> so <_< lots of people got stuck on that part
01[17:19:47] <ingx24> lol
01[17:19:55] <ingx24> the whole end of this game seems really rushed
[17:19:57] <Parax> after you kill the queen metroid, you have to chase the survivor down
[17:20:11] <Parax> it turns out that the survivor is MB, the AI that they created based on mother brain to control the metroids
01[17:20:12] <ingx24> "oh we dont have time to actually make sector zero so we'll just stick an 11 minute cutscene in there instead"
[17:20:22] <Parax> keep in mind that adam went into sector zero to destroy the metroids and MB
[17:20:29] <Parax> it turns out there are more metroids outside sector zero and MB wasnt even there
[17:20:35] <Parax> so his sacrifice was completely pointless
01[17:20:45] <ingx24> "oh we dont have time to make the second ridley fight so we'll just make him show up dead"
[17:21:12] <Parax> after that, madeline bergman shows up, I think, and MB has a bunch of creatures attack you
[17:21:15] <@Miles> No, it seems more like they completely suck at making games
[17:21:15] <Parax> now naturally
[17:21:18] <Parax> when you're being attacked
[17:21:24] <Parax> you would think you're supposed to kill the creatures that are attacking you
[17:21:32] <Parax> since it locks you in first person mode and you can shoot missiles
[17:21:35] <Parax> but you're actually supposed to look at MB
[17:21:54] <Parax> to trigger another cutscene (the ending)
01[17:22:02] <ingx24> WTF
[17:22:09] <@Miles> Also, you mixed up some stuff with the survivor
[17:22:28] <Parax> yeah, before she has these creatures attack you a bunch of federation marines show up
[17:22:34] <Parax> so after you look at her
[17:22:38] <@Miles> The survivor was the "real" Madeline Bergman
[17:22:44] <Parax> I didnt remember that
[17:22:45] <@Miles> And the one you met before was actually MB
[17:22:49] <Parax> this stuff is too convoluted
01[17:23:06] <ingx24> the plot of this game makes absolutely no sense at all
[17:23:15] <Parax> after you look at her, madeline bergman freezes MB and the federation troopers kill her
01[17:23:35] <ingx24> so you dont even get to fight the final boss
01[17:23:36] <ingx24> ..
[17:23:44] <Parax> the federation colonel praises samus, but he says they have to escort samus back to her ship
[17:24:28] <Parax> but then one of the marines reveals that he is anthony, who apparently didnt actually get killed by ridley because he landed on a lava creature, and that his orders are to ensure the safety of all survivors
[17:24:40] <Parax> so anthony, samus, and madeline? leave in samus's ship
[17:24:52] <Parax> at the GF headquarters samus resolves not to mourn adam
[17:24:58] <Parax> and she talks to anthony
[17:24:59] <Parax> and then credits
[17:25:07] <Parax> then there's a post-credits sequence where you're back on the bottle ship with the ability to use power bombs
[17:25:20] <Parax> the ship is scheduled to be destroyed soon
[17:25:28] <Parax> so you make your way to the command room and retrieve adam's helmet
[17:25:33] <Parax> then the ship starts blowing up while you're still in it
[17:25:43] <Parax> so samus takes off her suit (of course) and you have an escape sequence where you have to run back to the ship
[17:25:55] <Parax> oh and you fight phantoon during that sequence
01[17:26:01] <ingx24> ........................................................
[17:26:26] <Parax> not during the escape sequence
[17:26:27] <Parax> before
[17:26:30] <@Miles> She takes it off before the ship starts blowing up
[17:26:35] <Parax> still lol
[17:26:36] <@Miles> But... then never puts it back on
[17:26:39] <Parax> wouldn't you have wanted to put it back on
01[17:26:58] <ingx24> this game sounds worse than sonic 06
[17:27:01] <Parax> so then the game ends with samus holding adam's helmet, having just barely escaped the ship before it was destroyed
[17:27:13] <Parax> now also keep in mind
[17:27:17] <Parax> that the game never revealed who the deleter was
[17:27:18] <Parax> <_<
01[17:27:27] <ingx24> sonic 06 at least would have been good if they had playtested it
01[17:27:33] <ingx24> even if the story is kind of fucked up
01[17:27:40] <ingx24> this game just seems awful by its own nature
01[17:28:00] <ingx24> and lmao
01[17:28:05] <ingx24> they never revealed who the deleter was?
[17:28:10] <Parax> nope
[17:28:17] <@Miles> Well, you can figure it out
[17:28:17] <Parax> through process of elimination you can determine that it was james pierce
[17:28:17] <Parax> iirc
01[17:28:19] <ingx24> what in the immediate fuck
[17:28:22] <Parax> but they never tell you
01[17:28:32] <ingx24> but yeah
[17:28:32] <@Miles> The deleter went and attacked MB
[17:28:35] <@Miles> Who can't die
[17:28:44] <@Miles> Then you find James dead where MB was
[17:28:44] <Parax> yeah
[17:28:56] <Parax> but its confusing because they never explicitly state it
[17:29:05] <Parax> also, there's a screen in the pause menu that lists all the federation troopers
[17:29:09] <Parax> and there's one sequence partway through the game
[17:29:18] <Parax> where you see the traitor push a body into some lava
01[17:29:22] <ingx24> how the fuck does this game exist
[17:29:35] <Parax> it never tells you who it was and it never updates the pause screen, as samus wasnt actually there
[17:29:45] <Parax> so at the end of the game, you look at the pause screen and it shows everyone is dead except KG
[17:29:51] <Parax> so a lot of people assumed that meant KG was the traitor
[17:29:56] <Parax> he wasn't, he was the guy that got dumped in the lava
01[17:30:01] <ingx24> and people say sonic 06's story has a lot of plot holes :s
[17:30:26] <@Miles> Basically, the deleter plot only existed to try to make you doubt Anthony and Adam
[17:30:30] <@Miles> And it didn't work well at all
01[17:30:34] <ingx24> lol
[17:30:43] <Parax> pretty much
[17:31:00] <Parax> there was this one article that was pretty good
[17:31:05] <Parax> it explained how fucked up samus's relationship with adam was
[17:31:15] <Parax> it painted adam as an extremely controlling person
01[17:31:23] <ingx24> yeah like i said before
01[17:31:24] <ingx24> in fusion
[17:31:30] <Parax> it points out that once adam is out of the picture, samus starts to regain her independence and enables some of her own items without permission
[17:31:36] <@Miles> bbl
[17:31:38] <Parax> ... but then points out that as soon as adam catches back up with her, he shoots her
01[17:31:40] <ingx24> it seems like adam was this really cool guy that samus was really good friends with
01[17:31:48] <ingx24> then you play other m
01[17:31:55] <ingx24> and adam is a completely different person altogether
01[17:32:09] <ingx24> and its like why the fuck does samus like this guy so much
[17:32:14] <Parax> http://moonbase.rydia.net/mental/blog/gaming/metroid-other-m-the-elephant/article.html
[17:35:49] <Parax> oh and ing
[17:35:53] <Parax> there are no health or missile drops in other m
[17:36:00] <Parax> to regain health and missiles you have to "concentrate"
[17:36:12] <Parax> basically you hold the wiimote up and samus will focus
[17:36:24] <Parax> then after a few seconds your health (up to the first tank) and missiles will refill
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01[17:55:53] <ingx24> lol
01[17:55:56] <ingx24> i read that article btw
01[17:56:06] <ingx24> it said the same thing i said earlier
01[17:56:16] <ingx24> about how adam seemed like a really cool guy in fusion
01[17:56:21] <ingx24> and then in other m they just ruined his character
01[17:56:24] <ingx24> and made him into an ass
[18:05:08] <Parax> i'm kind of wondering how nintendo will deal with metroid 5
[18:05:17] <Parax> they can't really make that game without making it plot-heavy
01[18:05:40] <ingx24> lol
[18:05:42] <Parax> but considering adam is back as of the end of fusion, and how other m characterized him... i just wonder what they'll do about it
01[18:05:49] <ingx24> yeah
01[18:05:52] <ingx24> the article also said this
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01[18:06:17] <ingx24> but other m completely changed fusions happy ending into something terrifying
[18:06:22] <Parax> yeah
[18:06:22] <Parax> exactly
[18:06:56] <Parax> before fusion's ending was that samus was reunited with her old friend adam, and it was gonna be them against the world
01[18:07:05] <ingx24> yep
01[18:07:07] <ingx24> and now its like
01[18:07:11] <ingx24> oh fuck this douchebag is back
[18:07:14] <Parax> now it's that samus is back under the thumb of a very controlling and abusive person <_<
01[18:08:03] <ingx24> xd
[18:08:15] <Parax> they have a chance to acknowledge how the relationship was depicted in other m and do something about it to redeem samus's character
[18:08:28] <Parax> but i think its more likely they'll just sweep the whole thing under the rug and still act like adam is a cool guy
01[18:08:43] <ingx24> :[