CSM19 Townhall

00:00 for him and then log onto my stuff so
00:02 don't be confused if you see gror
00:04 talking but it's me
00:05 Satan um if you can record this can you
00:10 just X up in the CSM
00:16 Channel okay thanks Ivan much
00:29 appreciated e
01:10 yeah somebody wants to back up record
01:12 also just in case any accidents
01:17 happened I think last year we had an
01:19 accident and we didn't have the
01:20 recording for that yeah the accident was
01:23 we didn't have anyone
01:26 record yep that's one way to have an
01:28 accident
02:51 give everyone like another minute to get
02:53 in here there's already a lot of people
02:59 here e
03:54 um I think we can start going
03:58 yep um so so I guess uh I'll get started
03:02 uh I'll talk a little bit I guess it
03:04 would be good to start with like
03:06 explaining kind of like what the CSM is
03:09 uh what we do and what it isn't uh so
03:11 for those of you who don't know who are
03:13 new to the game or never really paid
03:14 attention to it before the CSM stands
03:16 for uh the Council of Stellar management
03:19 basically it's a group of players who
03:20 get elected once every year who go and
03:24 talk to CCP and present them with
03:26 problems in the game that they may not
03:29 be aware about or that they may be aware
04:30 about and to keep pressing those issues
04:33 uh but the big thing is is that they go
04:35 ahead and present us with a bunch of
04:37 stuff that they may uh be working on or
04:40 things that they want to do and the big
04:43 thing is that we provide feedback to
04:45 them that is the csm's goal a lot of
04:48 people think that the CSM get elected to
04:50 go there and be like listen these are
04:52 the problems that need fixing we demand
04:54 you change them that's not how it works
04:56 uh we are not paid CCP employees uh we
04:59 can only only guide them to try and fix
04:03 certain things or make them aware of
04:05 certain issues uh but we have no power
04:08 over them we don't pay their salaries
04:11 you know we don't own the company uh so
04:13 we can't like demand that they do
04:17 anything we can ask nicely that being
04:20 said yes we can be as insistent and but
04:24 as polite as possible about it but
04:26 that's really like the extent of it
05:34 um so that's really all there is about
05:36 that um storm do you want to go first
05:39 and talk about maybe how csm1 18 was for
05:43 you yeah um so for those of you that may
05:48 not be aware this is uh going to be my
05:51 third time on this CSM if I get elected
05:55 so a little bit more time than Satan
05:57 there um s
05:00 was mostly geared towards low SEC and
05:04 factional warfare and these kind of
05:06 things uh B it started the leadup into
05:10 uh what would become Equinox to some
05:14 degree um with things like zazac as well
05:19 uh being to the tail of of CFM CF
05:22 17 and um as you have seen recently Zak
05:28 stayed a bit of a topic
06:30 uh and we did manage to to to get uh
06:34 some of the problems with PC with zazac
06:37 fixed namely the insane Force projection
06:40 it allowed people with sub
06:43 CS um but uh 18 was very much about NC
06:48 and about sovereignty and all these
06:51 things um Equinox has not exactly gone
06:54 how we wanted it to go as the CSM and I
06:57 think it has uh it has shown in uh the
06:00 feedback the community gave CCP after
06:03 release as
06:04 well um but it also didn't go as badly
06:08 as it could have in my
06:11 opinion uh in no small part thanks to uh
06:16 what we know you guys want about uh n
06:19 SEC and about s and the feedbacks you
06:21 provided along the way so even if we did
06:23 not get what we wanted in total we did
06:25 get something that was better in the end
06:28 than what could have been overwise so I
07:31 think this is the Crux of of the CSM
07:34 it's we don't always get all we want but
07:37 at the at the very least we we get to um
07:39 make what gets released better
07:44 overall um I think this has been a bit
07:46 of a difficult topic this year
07:50 uh but there is some positive out clock
07:55 in some things I think CCP even if it's
07:58 still not perfect has gone towards
07:01 better things uh past Equinox like all
07:04 the changes we we managed to to have CCP
07:08 make to the original release I've been
07:12 in some part due to the CSM
07:14 feedback and obviously the feedback you
07:17 guys relate to us that we were able to
07:19 relate to
07:22 CCP um but yeah I think next year is
07:24 going to
07:25 be uh an interesting year again uh
07:30 especially for for
08:32 n um with seen CCP is willing to address
08:37 stuff like projection to some degree
08:39 with the other changes and I think this
08:42 is going to be the biggest topic of the
08:45 next year along with uh keeping uh the
08:48 feedback up for equinox and self related
08:51 things in N SEC so yeah this is
08:54 basically my my objective for for this
08:56 year keep improving on uh the the new
08:60 most of things we will get used to uh
08:04 now that the transition period is going
08:06 to extend in a couple
08:08 weeks and um making
08:11 sure uh CCP keeps working on large
08:15 concerns like projection and regular
08:18 balance and all these kinds of things we
08:21 keep talking about every
08:28 year nice awesome
09:31 so uh for myself uh this was my first
09:34 CSM term CSM 18 was my first um and for
09:40 the most part I have enjoyed my time on
09:45 the CSM for like three quarters of it uh
09:48 the beginning of the year was really
09:50 nice um finding out just about uh
09:55 like what was the beginning stages of
09:58 the expansion um
09:00 a lot of mystery a lot of uh you know
09:03 kind of like all right you know uh
09:05 what's going to end up making it in
09:07 what's going to make the cut um so that
09:10 was an exciting time and then we came to
09:13 the summit back in February and we got a
09:17 lot done at the summit uh we basically
09:20 got like months work done at The Summit
09:23 in just a matter of a week basically uh
09:26 so that was a lot of fun it was a great
09:28 experience uh I had a lot of fun working
10:31 with um some people on the CSM there
10:37 especially and then so it was pretty
10:40 much all hunky dory up until maybe like
10:44 a month before the expansion came and
10:47 then the roller coaster happened you
10:49 know that that
10:50 90 uh you know that 90° Free Fall drop
10:54 and then they were going back up but
10:56 then it's another 90° drop again it's it
10:59 it's been it's been a
10:02 ride um as every you know as storm said
10:05 and as everyone else's experience
10:08 Equinox uh especially myself um I was
10:12 pretty hyped going into the expansion
10:16 and uh you know I I was hyping it up a
10:19 little bit and then the expansion
10:21 dropped and I had to put on the full you
10:23 know clown get up I the the makeup the
10:25 wig the little honk honk nose and the
10:28 the whole outfit going after that
11:30 um and I guess to describe the
11:32 experience of everyday post Equinox uh
11:38 it's been waking up it's it's been like
11:39 waking up in the video game Doom where
11:41 you're just constantly fighting demons
11:44 and just trying to survive and get [ __ ]
11:46 done and you know just constantly
11:49 providing feedback and pressing people's
11:51 concerns to CSM and really hammering
11:54 home that Equinox is nowhere in the
11:57 state that it needs to be and that
11:59 there's a lot of upset people out there
11:02 um and it's it's been rough since then
11:05 and uh I mean they've shown a
11:08 willingness to go and change that and
11:11 try and rectify that and it for it to be
11:14 the uh the Rejuvenation that was uh
11:17 pressed on us or told to us but they've
11:20 been really slow as everyone can tell
11:22 they've been dragging their feet I don't
11:24 even know if you could say they're
11:25 dragging their feet I mean obviously
11:27 they have their reasons for not doing it
11:28 as quickly as everyone would like but it
12:30 it's just been rough it's been really
12:33 rough um and as storm said I
12:36 think next year uh it it's definitely
12:40 going to be an interesting time U
12:42 because a lot of work is still going to
12:44 go into correcting a lot of what echonox
12:47 did and did not do so it's I think it's
12:51 going to be rough it's going to be
12:52 interesting but we'll see how uh csm1 19
12:56 turns out hopefully hopefully it gets
12:58 better
12:03 so uh I know not it depends on the CSM
12:08 person um storm do you want to talk
12:10 about a little uh a little bit about
12:13 like what you personally helped to get
12:15 accomplished on 18 or is that something
12:16 that you would rather keep uh kind of
12:19 quiet
12:23 about
12:26 um yeah it's a bit difficult because a
12:29 lot of what happens in the
13:32 CSM is preventing mistakes in the first
13:36 place so it's not stuff we can talk
13:37 about because it's it never gets
13:39 released right um but I think one big
13:42 thing I'm I'm quite happy about is the
13:45 changes to Zac we got
13:47 recently um it's not directly related to
13:50 n but it impacts us for sure um when we
13:55 were first presented with Zac that was
13:58 back during CSM 7 actually like almost
13:01 two years
13:02 ago um the first thing with all CCP is
13:06 that there would need to be restrictions
13:09 about movement for Z because otherwise
13:11 people would use it to get basically any
13:15 in the four corners of the Galaxy very
13:16 quickly with no real restrictions right
13:20 like when frt or init or whoever takes
13:23 full Battleship fleit from one point of
13:26 the universe to the other just going for
13:28 a couple Gates because they are
13:30 basically in direct range of Zac that's
14:32 a big issue for the rest of the game and
14:35 um yeah managing to to get CP to to go
14:38 back on their initial release and
14:39 actually change um the other in way that
14:43 limit these problems I think was a a
14:46 huge win overall for for the past 2
14:49 CSM uh years we spent talking to them
14:52 about it uh and I think it is a source
14:56 of optimism for me to some degree like
14:58 or all proportions kept right I'm not uh
14:02 I'm not B nature your very optimism but
14:04 uh I do hope this shows that CCP is
14:09 going to to to look into projection in
14:11 the future still uh but yeah that was
14:13 one of the big thing I was happy
14:16 about
14:18 um unfortunately I guess one failure I
14:22 had was uh and I mean when I say I but
14:26 us as a CSM overall had was the distinct
14:30 lack of
15:33 um Regular balance change along the way
15:37 like we
15:37 had very very little of that this year
15:40 and I think that was a big like a very
15:43 big Miss for us despite uh kept like we
15:47 kept asking about it but we just
15:48 couldn't get CCP to to do that you know
15:50 in any way um there was like the the
15:53 carer changes but I I have a hard time
15:56 considering this like balance changing
15:58 the same way as just just you know
15:60 changing some ships around like we did
15:02 with hacks two years ago
15:04 or this kind of stuff you
15:10 know nice um so personally for me uh I
15:15 kind of have a list of 18
15:20 accomplishments um so the most not not
15:23 like the most notice I'm just going to
15:24 read down the list uh so as you all can
15:29 see some of you are gleefully happy
16:32 unfortunately some people are not
16:33 because it's complete aids to mine uh
16:36 but we did get all minerals back into
16:38 null uh so that's a very nice quality of
16:42 life thing uh unfortunately as we can
16:44 all see from the me minerals are more
16:47 expensive now than they were at any
16:49 point in time at the height of scarcity
16:52 um so we'll have to see what happens
16:56 after the mandatory conversion date uh
16:58 at the end of October I think it was
16:00 October 29th is the conversion date um
16:04 so hopefully things get better there but
16:07 um another thing is I got uh so I pushed
16:11 a lot of uh crab problems within CCP
16:15 unfortunately we didn't get the uh the
16:17 fighter aggro fixed but I guess
16:21 thankfully depending on how you want to
16:23 look at it uh because of the ice reagent
16:27 requirement for signo beacons most Ino
16:29 beacons are going to be going bye-by uh
17:32 so for some reason if you anchor a
17:34 Concord Rogue analysis Beacon or crab in
17:38 a regular anomaly like a patrol and you
17:40 just run the patrol with your Fighters
17:43 while you link to the crab for some
17:45 reason the crab rats don't Target your
17:47 Fighters and this mysterious like Voodoo
17:50 kind of [ __ ] witchcraft magic
17:54 thing uh we also got the metox
17:56 introduced into Equinox which has been
17:59 for so I haven't really seen a lot of
17:01 battle reports I know there was one that
17:02 came out almost immediately after
17:05 Equinox it was a big lowc dread flight
17:07 over some metox and something that I've
17:10 pretty consistently heard across like
17:12 the faction Warfare and the low sex csm1
17:14 19 candidates is that there's been a lot
17:16 of fights over these uh which is
17:18 something that I really wanted to have
17:20 happen with the introduction of this I
17:21 fought very hard to make sure that
17:23 metoxys were included into the expansion
17:27 uh so I'm very happy with that the other
17:29 thing along with metox is that we had
18:31 gotten done is the rein uh we got
18:34 reintroduced the manual repair
18:36 requirement for metanx so for those of
18:39 you who don't know if you go and
18:41 reinforce a metox when it comes out it
18:44 doesn't um it does have Auto regen but
18:47 it takes so long it's over a day uh you
18:50 basically have to manually repair it um
18:54 so that's getting more caps out on grid
18:56 because faxes are way way more efficient
18:59 at repping menares than subc caps uh but
18:03 it basically requires you to defend it
18:06 or it's
18:08 just it's just uh free kills uh for the
18:12 uh the attackers and then uh if you
18:14 don't defend it you also uh lose all of
18:17 the uh the the moongo that was
18:20 reprocessed by the drill when it was
18:22 mining uh so that's a that was that was
18:24 a big win for us there I'm really happy
18:27 both those things got through we fought
18:29 very hard for
19:30 those um so we also got the single
19:34 Target DD buff to 3 million damage on
19:37 Titans and while that's not really a big
19:40 win um it at least shows ccp's
19:43 willingness to go and buff supers and
19:46 Titans so I'm hoping for csm1 19 we can
19:49 get a little bit more work done with
19:51 that to get those more useful into the
19:53 game and more people flying them out in
19:55 space that would be very
19:57 nice um so after the Equinox expansion
19:02 dropped uh I was very adamant in posting
19:06 feedback about the mining anomalies and
19:08 we got those buffed they're obviously
19:12 still not in a state that anybody wants
19:15 miners are still hearing the asteroid
19:17 has been depleted in their nightmares
19:18 and I know a lot of you guys are getting
19:20 carpal tunnel now uh early on set carpal
19:22 tunnel so it's uh it's rough for you
19:25 guys still and that's still an issue
19:27 that I keep pushing uh frequently with
19:29 them to make sure that they're very
20:30 aware that the state of things is still
20:33 not acceptable for most
20:36 people and then uh so one of the big
20:40 things that I ran on that everyone knows
20:42 about is uh you know we were going to go
20:45 well not we but I was going to try and
20:48 uh buff uh drone lands uh because for a
20:52 lot of you may be
20:53 aware let me mute his Discord give me
20:56 one second
20:12 all right sorry about that I don't know
20:14 if you could hear that coming through
20:15 the mic or not he doesn't have a headset
20:17 so the sound comes through speakers so I
20:18 don't know if it was picking up on the
20:19 mic or not um but one of the big things
20:22 that I ran on for csm1 18 was buffing
20:25 drone lands because drone lands compared
20:27 to a lot of the other factions in space
20:30 it's nowhere near parody of any kind uh
21:33 basically you sacrifice almost
21:36 everything uh in the name of like quote
21:38 unquote perfect safety because there's
21:40 no NPCs uh no NPC stations in drone
21:43 lands um
21:45 so uh one of the things that we got done
21:49 uh when Equinox dropped and that
21:53 continued to happen during one of the
21:55 the post updates is that um if you look
21:58 at some of the ratting tables and some
21:59 of the the patch notes for equinox uh
21:02 drone lands got
21:04 different site um like the the the sites
21:08 that spawn within certain routing
21:10 upgrades is different compared to all
21:12 the other factions and some of the
21:14 quantity of those sites is different
21:16 from the other factions uh and that's
21:18 something that we worked with CCP to get
21:21 done um because just like the money that
21:26 you make and where the escalations come
21:28 from and like the that you get from
21:30 those escalations is so different from
22:32 other factions uh that there was needed
22:34 a little work to be done to bring the
22:36 Drone lines up to parody with that um so
22:40 I'm happy we got that done and that also
22:42 showed uh there was a little bit of
22:45 willingness to um touch drone lands for
22:50 the first time basically since they took
22:51 the Alloys away from uh from drone lands
22:54 way back when for those of you who were
22:56 playing back then
22:00 but obviously um that's still a process
22:02 to be continued there's still work to be
22:04 done uh we did a bit of extensive
22:06 testing uh once Equinox dropped with
22:09 like the amount of money that you were
22:10 making and the escalation rate dropped
22:12 uh and we found that like even just the
22:14 bounties that you're getting from sites
22:16 isn't like in any way really comparable
22:19 to any other factions so that's
22:21 something that well I'm also I've also
22:24 been working on hopefully getting
22:26 changed uh at some point hopefully
22:28 Crossing
23:31 um and then I talked a little bit how we
23:34 worked with CCP to increase the number
23:36 of sites per se band for ratting uh to
23:39 make it less punishing for the lower SE
23:41 bands and that was that came out in the
23:44 uh the update before skyhooks I'm pretty
23:47 sure um and then we got the carrier
23:50 balance pass and that's I don't know I I
23:54 I have mixed feelings about that carrier
23:55 balance pass because um I feel like the
23:60 whole like jump bridge and the mjd uh
23:03 gimmick if you want to call that that
23:04 would have been better suited for like a
23:05 T2 carrier so now it's like if at any
23:08 point in the future they come out with
23:10 more T2 caps it's like what is the t2
23:13 carrier stick going to be um so I don't
23:17 know but uh hopefully there's been some
23:21 there's been a lot more Rumblings in
23:23 support of like undoing some more of a
23:26 surgical strike hopefully in 19 to get
23:28 more uh carrier supers and Titans out in
24:31 space so hopefully that's something that
24:33 we can push and continue to get done and
24:35 I just heard the notification again I
24:37 don't know why
24:39 unfortunate um but
24:42 so with the
24:45 um with the Revenant uh drop or preview
24:49 whatever you want to call it the dev
24:51 blog letter that came out uh on Thursday
24:55 uh and with ccp's Swift uh pre
24:58 presentation at Vegas on Friday uh
24:02 there's two more things that I can add
24:03 to my accomplishment list thankfully um
24:06 so uh this isn't something that a lot of
24:09 people care about I'll start with this
24:10 one first uh but there's uh if you read
24:14 towards I think it was the bottom they
24:15 started talking about court projects and
24:17 whatnot and they said that there's a lot
24:20 of quality of life improvements coming
24:22 with court projects and how you'll be
24:23 able to like customize them a little bit
24:25 more um I pushed a lot of feedback for
24:28 cor projects throughout the year because
25:30 this is something that I think can
25:32 really Drive player engagement with the
25:34 corpse because something that I feel is
25:36 lacking for Eve is a reason to log in
25:40 every day uh you basically either Ian um
25:44 I mean there are certain groups of
25:46 players some people will only ever PVE
25:49 they will never PVP there are some
25:50 people who will only PVP and never PBE
25:53 uh and there's some people who do
25:55 mixture of both but for the most part if
25:57 you only like PVP
25:60 most people aren't logging in for
25:02 extensive hours of the day uh they only
25:04 really you know a lot of people only log
25:05 in for like Special Operations or just
25:08 for Strat Ops or only work related to
25:10 Strat Ops um not too many people
25:12 comparatively will like log in and hang
25:14 out and standing Fleet so there needs to
25:16 be like uh and especially for people who
25:19 do PPE like people want goals to grind
25:21 towards rather than just mind-numbingly
25:24 you know watching big number go up uh so
25:28 there needs to be more of like a reason
25:30 to log in and you need those those nice
26:32 dopamine hits to feel like you're
26:34 accomplishing stuff um and so I feel
26:37 like Court projects were always a way to
26:38 do that and I feel like Court projects
26:40 can be really good so I'm very excited
26:42 for a lot of the improvements that are
26:44 are going to be coming in Revenant for
26:47 court
26:48 projects and then so I don't know how
26:52 many of you guys were at Vegas uh it was
26:54 mostly just booa boys uh but there were
26:56 a couple other people um
26:59 but so something that CCP Swift had told
26:03 everyone that it expects the Drone lands
26:07 specifically is that coming in Revenant
26:11 drone lands now this isn't going to be
26:13 something that everyone's excited for
26:15 but there's a decent number of people
26:18 who have been asking for this for a very
26:21 very very long time uh but drone lands
26:24 are going to be getting Relic sites for
26:26 exploration come to Revenant expansion
26:30 uh and that is per CCP
27:32 Swift not leaking
27:36 anything uh so that's something that I'm
27:38 very excited we got done uh and that's
27:41 going to be coming in the next expansion
27:43 so hopefully you guys enjoy that and
27:44 that's a a really nice quality of life
27:47 uh thing for drone lands to get
27:49 something that hasn't been a thing since
27:51 the Inception of drone lands it's pretty
27:57 exciting so that's it for my list of
27:01 accomplishments storm I don't know if
27:02 you want to talk about uh maybe some of
27:06 some more of what you want to get done
27:07 on 19 hopefully going into the new term
27:09 if you were to get elected
27:12 again um I can go right quickly again uh
27:16 for the most part I'm going to keep
27:17 focusing on the same things uh namely uh
27:20 content generators and
27:22 drivers um balanced overall like just
27:27 change things to to keep interesting so
27:30 we don't get the same meta for five
28:32 years again and
28:36 um yeah uh projection obviously is also
28:39 a big one to uh keep the game from uh
28:43 devolving into a single
28:46 Mass um these are things uh CCP has
28:52 shown some interest to some degree for
28:55 some of them so hopefully at least one
28:57 of them will get
28:59 done but us as said and described at the
28:03 start of the of the Town Hall um we are
28:06 not the ones who decide what CCP works
28:08 on so the best we can do is uh keep them
28:11 interested in the thing we are also
28:13 interested and hopefully they they pick
28:16 up some of
28:22 it um I I don't know do we want to take
28:25 some some questions maybe unless you
28:26 have some something more you you want to
28:27 say say to
28:29 uh I was just going to go quick over the
29:31 goals basically uh for 19 if I get
29:34 reelected I want to continue working on
29:35 drone land stuff that'll be something
29:37 that I'll I'll keep pushing periodically
29:39 throughout the year as I've done so now
29:42 um there's still a bunch of stuff that
29:43 needs to be fixed with not like a bunch
29:45 of stuff ideally in a perfect world we
29:48 get the the fighter aggro fixed finally
29:51 um maybe we got like a super Titan crab
29:54 introduced uh I actually finally found
29:56 someone to talk to uh about crabs again
29:59 so uh I'm looking to push those ideas on
29:02 them uh and see what kind of like
29:04 feedback and things they would like to
29:05 see and kind of like bounce ideas off of
29:07 each other to see if we can get crabs
29:09 improved in any way um obviously NOC
29:12 orid still needs help uh carriers and
29:14 supers still need help uh hopefully we
29:17 get more regular balance updates updates
29:20 we'll keep pushing those throughout the
29:21 year we got that one really nice one at
29:23 the beginning of our term back in like
29:25 November or uh I think it was um so that
29:29 was nice but it would be nice if there
30:30 was another one um just more updates to
30:33 core projects hopefully still get a way
30:35 to exempt from being conduit jumped
30:37 because why if you can be exempt from
30:39 Fleet warp can't you be exempt from
30:41 conduit jumped um hopefully get the
30:45 mining compression monstrosity sort of
30:48 the way finally and uh hopefully just
30:51 push for more casual objectives to keep
30:53 people logging in and blowing stuff up
30:55 in space more content drivers stuff like
30:57 that
30:58 yeah as uh as storm said if you guys
30:00 have any questions you can post them in
30:02 the CSM Revenant Channel and him and I
30:04 will answer them to the best of our
30:07 ability um we won't be able to go into
30:10 any details for like hypers specific
30:12 details for anything that's coming into
30:14 Revenant or anything that may or may not
30:17 have happened with uh Equinox but
31:50 nty I did I have talked uh I provided a
31:53 bunch of feedback about the data sites
31:56 in uh drone land and something that I
31:59 would really like to see is like the
31:02 deification of how the loot tables work
31:05 but we'll see we'll see what
31:08 happens um I V is asking we have the
31:14 Ping for introduction of meth oxes was
31:17 there a consideration for how much it
31:18 would impact moon or prices or was the
31:21 inclusion of new anoms supposed to have
31:24 said that and then we got where the
31:26 anoms we got
31:29 um I don't think the new anoms have
32:33 anything to do with metois in the sense
32:34 that it's not the same minerals at all
32:37 you get from the zenom and from
32:39 moons um obviously there was a conation
32:44 about moon or
32:47 PES
32:50 um and I mean
32:53 yeah I think everybody can agree that
32:55 current metes are maybe a bit too good
32:58 maybe well I didn't do the the the map
32:01 on the latest numbers with the the
32:03 changes they
32:06 introduced on on the cost to run them
32:09 but yeah everybody was aware that there
32:12 would be some impact uh the impact is
32:15 maybe too great currently and I suspect
32:18 uh CCP is going to to work on that
32:23 um but there was no way to predict the
32:25 exact impact right so you you have to to
32:28 push it see how it goes and then adjust
33:31 and I think we are in the adjustment
33:33 perod
33:35 currently yeah so with the introduction
33:37 metox is um there was definitely a
33:40 consideration for how it would impact
33:42 moon or prices
33:45 um some of
33:47 us me were concerned
33:52 with um like fuel costs um because
33:55 obviously you don't want it to be too
33:57 cheap that we got into the situation
33:60 we're in now where just everyone's
33:02 anchoring hundreds of them on r4s and
33:05 R8s um but it ended up happening and
33:08 then uh with uh there was there was a
33:12 little bit of talk about like the new
33:14 sites um we were hoping for a world
33:18 where obviously Equinox drops and it's
33:21 the Rejuvenation everyone's been wanting
33:22 for the last four years and uh basically
33:27 prior to Equinox the biggest thing to
33:29 mine was moons and so we were hoping
34:32 that a lot of players were going to come
34:33 off of moons and start mining more ice
34:36 and uh especially a lot more or
34:39 anomalies um so that it wouldn't have
34:44 that much of an impact but there would
34:46 still be some unfortunately that didn't
34:49 happen because the anoms came out and
34:52 they were dog [ __ ] and so we are in the
34:55 situation that we're currently in now
34:01 what faction will The Relic sites be uh
34:03 I can't talk any uh I can't say anything
34:05 about
34:07 that regarding consistent balance
34:09 changes are you guys pushing to a system
34:12 something similar how other popular
34:14 games are doing where there are at least
34:16 Light number tws every couple of weeks
34:18 um I don't think we can uh realistically
34:22 get numbered weeks every couple of weeks
34:25 I don't even know if it's desirable in
34:27 even line um like the base of the game
35:31 is slower than in some of games like I
35:34 don't know League or water forcraft or
35:36 whatever right um what I would like CCP
35:40 to commit to would be uh two to four
35:43 balance passes that are more than
35:46 changing two numbers every year um some
35:52 bigger ones that have like larger
35:54 implications on the meta and some
35:56 smaller ones where you just like TG
35:58 numbers
35:59 to make a ship correspond better to to
35:03 what you want them to be at uh but I
35:06 mean currently we can't even get them to
35:07 to do balance change in uh real at a
35:12 real scale every expansion so it's a
35:15 it's a long way to go before we we can
35:17 get any of that done I
35:19 think yeah well a lot of us would like
35:21 to see pretty consistent balance changes
35:24 a Cadence of like every two weeks isn't
35:27 something you could do in a game like
35:28 this compared to like League of Legends
36:31 um because when you are constantly
36:34 buffing numbers or changing numbers like
36:36 that or switching around bonuses and uh
36:40 messing with how
36:42 ships I guess like are in the game uh
36:47 there's other things that you have to
36:48 consider you know if you're taking a
36:50 ship out of meta and putting another one
36:51 in uh people have to train for those
36:53 skills people have to build those ships
36:56 you know uh build parts research
36:58 Blueprints and stuff like that um so if
36:01 you were to do a Cadence of like every
36:03 two weeks basically by the time that you
36:06 just got uh a ship in the meta and you
36:09 then you know two weeks pass and you
36:11 might be taking it out uh people might
36:13 just start uh like the first builds for
36:15 the ship that was in meta two weeks ago
36:18 would be coming out and so you wouldn't
36:19 be able to do something like that I
36:21 think like wishful thinking would be to
36:25 hope for like maybe two major balance
36:27 passes a year uh want it like I don't
37:31 know however you would want to separate
37:32 it and then maybe some uh like two
37:35 smaller tweaks in between those so
37:38 basically like two big balance patches
37:41 uh for each expansion and then maybe
37:42 some tweaks in between there um but like
37:45 storm said just trying to get balance
37:47 passes done in general is like pulling
37:50 teeth it's rough
37:60 when can Titans be cheaper hopefully one
37:02 day maybe we'll get
37:05 there Capital industry is something it's
37:08 a popular topic on the
37:15 CSM um JJ judge is
37:19 asking about whether um metox
37:24 is reducing the amount of miners in the
37:27 game was considered uh obviously it was
38:30 considered I I think the idea is not to
38:33 replace minus but to give people choices
38:37 between having
38:39 to um mine manually the materials or
38:43 spend that time because they don't like
38:46 mining on something else while still
38:48 getting some amount of value out of uh
38:51 taking a moon you
38:52 know um there should be in an Ideal
38:56 World more than enough mining to on
38:58 outside of these meox moons uh for
38:01 miners not to feel slated by
38:05 them yeah like uh like storm said uh in
38:10 an Ideal World
38:12 um the or anomalies would have been good
38:15 enough where a lot of people would have
38:17 come off of mining moons uh or even ice
38:20 as well and people would start producing
38:22 minerals again um but the whole state of
38:26 NC or mining really got shafted with the
38:29 uh the expansion so unfortunately that
39:32 never came to fruition but I think a lot
39:34 of the the hope that we had for metoxys
39:38 would that they would be more of
39:39 something that uh smaller groups would
39:42 be able to use or more like PVP Centric
39:44 groups would be able to use to be able
39:46 to come into NC who don't have pveers uh
39:50 people who don't want to mine so that
39:51 way they can still generate income and
39:53 be able to take and hold
39:56 uh sovereignty in
39:58 NOC um and then also so that it would be
39:01 good enough that people put it in on
39:03 lowc moons to generate lowc fights
39:06 rather than something where it's like oh
39:09 let's go and put literally 600 metoxys
39:12 on all the r4s in the region you
39:17 know but uh yeah the impact of miners
39:20 was something heavily considered and
39:22 it's unfortunate that things turned out
39:25 the way it did
39:28 but it is something that we talk with
40:30 CCP
40:48 about uh Hunter is asking about pin uh
40:53 pin has been a discussion topic between
40:57 CP and the
40:58 like the both years have been on the CSM
40:01 and it's going to keep being a topic as
40:04 long as uh there are problems with
40:07 it
40:11 um there are number of of things people
40:14 are asking about pin
40:16 uh some of them are probably easier to
40:20 do than others uh but as always like CCP
40:23 needs to be willing to to work on these
40:26 problems and all we can can do is keep
40:28 bringing them up and and making sure
41:30 they are aware of uh the situation in
41:33 its full
41:47 extent uh mangelo this is not a CSM
41:51 related question this would be something
41:53 for the hard leadership as all to to ask
41:56 about
41:14 you can probably ask that question again
41:16 in leadership Q&A but the answer is
41:19 going to be probably the same as of the
41:22 money the alliance get we invest it in
41:25 the alliance be it in SRP and what not
41:28 or other
42:43 programs are there any plans to look
42:45 over infested carrier senent carriers
42:47 and sentient super
42:49 carriers um I mean I pushed a bunch of
42:53 issues with drone lands to CCP uh it's
42:56 up to them whether or not they want to
42:58 work on them and what issues they do
42:59 work on so who's to
42:19 say if you're referring to the video for
42:24 the equino Equinox like sweet series
42:28 uh a lot of that was just filler stuff
43:31 some of those updates or upgrades a lot
43:33 of those upgrades don't even
43:40 exist Yes the gas upgrades were filler
43:43 content for the video
43:06 storm if you get elected again what's
43:08 the number one thing you want to try and
43:10 uh and get changed in the game or put
43:13 into oh I mean obiously cat ear
43:16 everybody has been asking for them for a
43:18 long time so it has to be
43:21 that um I don't really have like a one
43:26 thing
43:27 I mean just sorry I was obviously
43:29 talking about the CES but it's not
44:32 really how the CSM works as Satan and I
44:34 explained earlier like just because we
44:38 want something doesn't mean we can make
44:41 CCP do it right like for the most part
44:43 what we do is provide feedback pinpoint
44:45 problems this community brings to us and
44:49 help them prioritize
44:52 uh what to fix and what to do but in the
44:55 end we we do not get to decide any of
44:57 these things
44:59 right so we can't it's pretty difficult
44:02 to come to the CSM and be like hey I
44:04 have this great idea and you need to put
44:06 into into the game because it's simply
44:09 not how the thing
44:17 work yeah like storm said I mean there's
44:20 not really there's things that we would
44:22 like to have and we can like push those
44:24 things but they're no way obligated to
44:26 do it um personally I don't really have
44:28 like one thing that I would rather try
45:30 and get changed uh I just want them to
45:33 keep the game fresh and interesting
45:35 Revenant from getting getting stale keep
45:37 people logging in so really anything
45:40 related to that whether or not they push
45:42 it and I provide feedback on it or it's
45:44 something that I
45:54 push so mercoxit Mining and Mor fight
45:58 supply has been heavily talked about
45:01 multiple times a week I've been bringing
45:03 it up to him uh it is a big issue that
45:06 we are currently trying to deal with um
45:09 as many of you may remember um mxit was
45:15 basically completely forgotten about and
45:18 uh it was actually the help of you guys
45:20 based on that Spanish streamers videos
45:23 that you realized that there was no
45:25 mercoxit in any of the new monum amilies
45:28 uh and so that was something that I
45:30 pushed for or brought to their attention
46:33 super quick uh super adamant that that
46:35 needed to be addressed um and then they
46:38 went and gave us the version of mxit
46:40 that we have now um but it's an issue uh
46:44 and it is something that we bring up
46:46 multiple times a week at this point to
46:48 help them get it changed ASAP
46:10 anyone else have any questions regarding
46:13 the CSM how it works what we do there
47:46 all right it looks like this is becoming
47:49 a mining discussion have CSM and CSM
47:52 campaign
47:54 discussion oh no there is one
47:60 um n we
47:02 have a couple ways to communicate with
47:04 CCP we have a a weekly meeting uh where
47:10 we get to discuss a specific thing with
47:13 uh some CCP people uh either they
47:16 present something to us or we talk about
47:18 a specific
47:20 issue uh they has feedback about
47:22 something they're making this kind of
47:24 thing and we also obviously have a uh uh
47:28 CCP as as a slack uh that they use for
48:31 communication and uh we have the
48:34 possibility of uh talking and asking
48:37 about things in there uh to uh some of
48:40 the
48:43 teams so like we are in pretty close
48:45 contact with them like it's it's not a
48:48 difficult communication uh as long as
48:50 CCP wants to communicate with us we can
48:53 talk with them a lot
48:57 yeah and if you've been paying attention
48:59 to any of the CCP CSM interviews uh one
48:03 of the questions that lumy has been
48:05 asking a lot of the candidates um is
48:08 about time commitment and how the CSM
48:10 can be a time commitment of up to like
48:12 20 hours a week sometimes I think that's
48:15 a bit of an overe exaggeration I don't
48:16 know anyone who's really spent 20 hours
48:18 a week uh talking to CCP or committing
48:23 that kind of time um some weeks are you
48:26 know you talk talk a lot more to them
48:28 than others sometimes there's really not
48:29 a whole lot going on and so there's no
49:31 reason to communicate with them but uh I
49:34 know I often uh I I communicate with
49:36 them fairly often throughout the
49:39 week and
49:42 uh yeah it's really how much time you
49:45 want to put into it it's going to be
49:47 different for every
49:54 person it's going to depend on second as
49:57 well obviously we spent a bunch more
49:59 time talking with CCP right after
49:01 Equinox than uh at some other
49:07 points does CCP have employees in
49:10 regular courts and alliances that was
49:12 something that they changed within the
49:15 last couple years they eased the
49:16 restrictions on employees playing the
49:20 the game in like actual alliances they
49:22 have their own rules around it but yes
49:24 there are employees who play the game um
50:34 yeah um H we basically do not get like
50:38 any financial information from CCP like
50:42 it's not something we talk about with
50:48 them um on on some rare occasion uh
50:53 Hilma might go a little bit into high
50:55 level uh stuff um when we see him at the
50:59 summit but that's like a very uh unique
50:03 situation and
50:12 yeah uh head T is asking if there have
50:15 been ideas that CCP has BN some the CSM
50:17 and completely scra into the F given and
50:19 the answer is absolutely
50:21 yes it's one of the difficult thing to
50:24 communicate about the CSM is that
50:28 um there's a bunch of stuff that CCP
50:30 thinks about or even yeah let's say
51:34 think about and that we we do not
51:36 believe would be good for the game and
51:38 obviously you guys do not get to see
51:40 them at all because they listen to that
51:42 feedback and do not put them into the
51:43 game in the
51:44 end um and I think that's a big part of
51:47 uh of what the CSM is about in practice
51:50 it's uh making sure some stuff never
51:53 gets
51:55 soon yeah unfortunately it's one of
51:58 those things where it's quite literally
51:59 just trust me bro um and it's stuff that
51:03 you'll never find out about until after
51:06 nda's expire but then most people don't
51:08 even go on to share anything once their
51:12 NDA expires so it's more often than not
51:16 you'll just never hear anything about
51:18 bad ideas
52:34 uh so voting starts if I remember
52:36 correctly in 4 days October
52:40 17th um if you search in announcements
52:44 for CSM you can go and kind of see a
52:47 bunch of the announcements and how the
52:49 pings will work when they do uh when
52:51 they do start getting pings but
52:53 basically a website opens up and prior
52:55 to that hord will post post our quote
52:57 unquote official ballot uh it'll have um
52:02 all of our candidate choices listed from
52:06 1 to 10 and then what you do is on
52:09 voting day you'll log in all of your
52:11 Omega characters and you will go ahead
52:14 and drag and drop all of the candidates
52:16 into that selected order because it is
52:19 very important that you follow the
52:21 ballot and fill out all 10 slots so that
52:23 you have maximum Effectiveness with your
52:26 ballot
52:27 uh and hord's ballot is created to
53:30 maximize our self-interest and get
53:32 people who we think from both our own
53:36 Alliance and Coalition but other people
53:38 from the game onto the CSM who will
53:40 share good feedback that uh will drive
53:44 positive change within the game in our
53:47 eyes uh and then so you'll be able to
53:49 vote on all of your Omega characters uh
53:52 if your account is Alpha prior to voting
53:56 I I think the only way your Alpha
53:58 account can vote is if you Omega it I
53:02 think it's 60 days prior to the election
53:06 um and so I may be wrong about that I
53:09 may be misremembering storm correctly uh
53:12 correct me if I'm wrong I do not my
53:14 details for I'm sorry yeah um but your
53:20 account does have to be Omega to vote
53:22 Alphas cannot vote so
53:28 and then voting is until the 24th if I
54:32 remember correctly uh the voting period
54:34 will end and then results will be
54:36 announced not on the 24th but uh soon
54:41 after
54:43 hopefully
54:51 hopefully um this year as well as last
54:55 year has also two people among the
54:59 candidates who didn't get elected that
54:01 CCP will choose I believe to bring on
54:04 the
54:06 CSM so even if somebody does not get
54:09 elected voting for them uh matters in
54:13 the end
54:19 so nor that's NDA
55:35 you'll be able to see all of our
55:36 preferential candidates uh once the
55:39 ballot comes out uh and preferential
55:42 Runner UPS assuming any of those people
55:44 don't get on would most likely come from
55:46 that list
55:57 assuming the runner-ups you're talking
55:58 about are the CCP hand
55:14 picks and after this ends uh if you
55:17 don't know how to search in Discord uh
55:19 I'll pull up uh I'll try and find the
55:22 the post really quick in the
55:23 announcements to show you kind of like
55:26 what the old ballot look like and uh how
55:29 the process
56:35 starts all right we've been going at it
56:38 for almost a hour now uh if someone has
56:41 any last minute
56:43 question it is time to put it
56:47 in otherwise I think we can wrap
56:50 up and even if you don't think of
56:52 something now uh you can always DM
56:55 either of us and any point in time with
56:57 any questions or feedback you might have
56:00 preferably I prefer to see all feedback
56:04 in the what is now known as the CSM
56:07 Revenant channel uh the channel name
56:09 does change depending on the update or
56:12 expansion name so uh if you have
56:15 anything that you specifically want to
56:17 ask one of us uh ping me prefer I don't
56:19 know if storm delay wants to be pinged
56:22 but I I check the re Channel religiously
56:26 so
56:28 that's not something for us to head
57:36 to uh are you guys happy with how sky
57:40 sky hooks work now or would you still be
57:42 pushing for more changes uh preferably
57:45 I'm hoping it doesn't absolutely kill
57:47 rating gameplay but it probably already
57:49 has uh so I was excited for the rating
57:53 gameplay that was developing around that
57:54 so hopefully we can go back to a more
57:57 middle ground because as everyone's
57:59 pointed out the original iteration of
57:01 skyhooks was incredibly uh
57:04 attacker
57:06 um weighted I guess that's not really
57:09 the word for it but uh and then so and
57:11 it encouraged self stealing but now it's
57:14 completely shifted all the way over to
57:17 uh the defender having the most
57:19 advantages so we need to reach a middle
57:20 ground on that
58:34 any discussion of the new blockchain
58:37 game is going to be under NBA and if you
58:39 want to discuss the blockchain game uh I
58:42 don't know if the beta or whatever
58:45 they're doing is closed now or if you
58:47 can still get in but uh gobins pinged it
58:51 out I guess quote unquote fairly
58:53 recently uh and as he said the best way
58:56 to talk talk about that is to get
58:57 involved with it so that you also sign
58:59 the NDA and then you can freely discuss
58:01 it as well um CSM doesn't really have
58:04 any influence on that sort of I
58:12 guess um do you have ideas for spol self
58:15 rad issue with Sky hooks now any ideas
58:17 you can to out today to get a feel for
58:19 that
58:20 issue um yeah I
58:23 mean selfing will
58:27 keep being a problem
59:30 until the owner has more to lose by self
59:33 reading than it than he has to gain
59:35 right so
59:37 you if you want to avoid self-reading by
59:40 owners completely you need to punish the
59:44 owner for doing that in some
59:46 way
59:52 um obviously you could just like remove
59:54 a bunch of um magma ice if you if a red
59:58 goes through but it's a balance storage
59:01 right like like Satan said you you need
59:03 to have enough value in the owner uh but
59:06 you also need to have enough incentive
59:08 for the Raiders while not making the
59:11 owner incentivise to make himself the
59:14 self
59:16 raer there's a variety of ways you could
59:18 think about that but yeah we were
59:22 completely self-re before right now
59:24 there is less incentive because you have
59:26 some amount that's guaranteed for the
59:28 owner so you do not need to sell f as
59:30 much as you used
60:31 to but there's also nothing stopping you
60:34 from doing so if you want to do it so
60:37 yeah some some positives but not not as
60:40 good as it could have
60:51 been um NCC is asking
60:56 about
60:58 um Skyhook ESI uh ESI has been a regular
60:02 topic for
60:04 every single new feature uh by CCP like
60:09 every time they tell us hey we are going
60:11 to add this one of us is going okay are
60:16 you planning on doing an yesi endo for
60:18 it and well I mean we still don't have
60:21 anyi end point for LP transfers and this
60:24 kind of stuff either which is also an
60:27 issue so we're going to keep talking
60:29 about it and at some point hopefully we
61:32 uh get to
61:34 it uh two things about that NCC so first
61:37 of all uh I know back when Equinox first
61:41 dropped uh kisser had posted a bunch of
61:44 feedback about problems with skyhooks
61:46 and like the way uh there were
61:49 interaction with them when you were like
61:51 broadcasting them and how they showed up
61:53 in the in the overview um does anyone
61:56 know if they want to go and find it if
61:58 any of that stuff was fixed because I
61:60 made sure to bring that up a couple of
61:01 times with different people when we
61:04 found out that they were going to be
61:05 doing uh Skyhook stuff so I haven't I
61:08 haven't seen anyone talk about that or
61:09 if anything changed so I'm curious if
61:11 that stuff was fixed um but Skyhook uh
61:15 quality of life stuff is stuff that I'm
61:17 really interested in getting sorted out
61:19 um also about esis so along with CCP
61:23 Swift here at Vegas uh CCP chimmy chonga
61:26 had came along and we actually uh uh I
61:29 found out he was uh or what he does in
62:31 the company and so we had a a very brief
62:36 high level uh explain it like I'm five
62:39 conversation about esis because I am
62:42 technologically [ __ ] and I know
62:44 nothing about that kind of stuff uh but
62:46 he uh I I kind of pressed that the ESI
62:51 is something that's you know obviously
62:53 very important in the core integral part
62:54 of the game um and and basically he just
62:57 said they have a plan uh and he pushes
62:00 for that plan to be enacted very
62:03 frequently and so there is hope have
62:06 hope for easy as they I found out that
62:08 they call it easy they don't call it
62:21 ESI any work being done on stopping the
62:23 launcher issues storm I know that's
62:25 something that you like like to bring up
62:27 a la
63:57 all right well I guess if uh there's no
63:59 other questions St there's nothing else
63:01 you want to say close it
63:12 out uh
63:17 oh did storm get
63:21 abducted sorry about that I had to
63:24 absent myself for a minute okay
63:28 something was on the fire that I had to
64:30 attend
64:32 to all
64:35 good were you asking me
64:38 something uh so I said um hunter wanted
64:41 to know uh if there was any work being
64:44 done on stopping the launcher issues and
64:46 I said that was something that you
64:47 frequently bring up with them yeah yeah
64:51 um I I've bed the launcher teams a few
64:55 times I I'm probably du to do it again
64:59 soon uh but uh the best I can give you
64:04 right now is that you should uh keep uh
64:07 putting like bug reports and I believe
64:10 in the loaner himself there's a bug
64:13 report buttons that you should press and
64:17 um there are I believe also some logs
64:21 you can get and add it to the bug report
64:24 in the launcher but I don't about the
64:26 details of that I will try and uh and
65:30 post about it if I find again but yeah
65:33 keep reporting them to CCP keep uh keep
65:37 sending bug reports to them and it will
65:39 help them uh find what exactly the
65:42 problems are and how to fix them
65:04 uh obviously we can't discuss how the
65:06 new officer stuff and drops came about
65:09 um or their reasoning for only making it
65:13 available for where they did although
65:15 isn't the some of the new officer stuff
65:18 in N sex storm I don't
65:22 remember that's a good question I I
65:25 believe
65:26 some of them would also be n but I'm not
65:29 100% sure I could have sworn it was
66:31 mainly nulc and for whatever reason that
66:34 they didn't include that but they had
66:36 that specific thing in the notes about
66:37 it having a rare chance to spawn in high
66:40 and low it I if I remember correctly it
66:43 was weird how they did that I I'd have
66:45 to get back to you on
66:50 that yeah it might be the wording I'd
66:53 have to go back and reread it so I will
66:55 p in this and come back to
66:12 it um so I guess uh there's not really
66:15 too many questions coming in so we'll go
66:17 ahead and start closing this out storm
66:20 is there anything you want to tell the
66:22 beans before we SK down on out of here
66:25 uh no not anything special just want to
66:27 thanks everybody for hanging out and uh
66:29 asking some interesting questions
67:31 hopefully uh we get to uh have you vote
67:34 for us uh in the coming
67:37 days yes I will preemptively apologize
67:42 for the absolute obnoxious ping spam you
67:45 are all about to endure for a week uh
67:49 unfortunately it works though um we had
67:53 never done anything like that before in
67:55 past CSM elections we've always kind of
67:58 been like L fair about it you know ping
67:01 maybe a couple of times send one
67:04 Alliance uh Eve mail and then you know
67:06 that was that uh last year we tried
67:09 something different where we were
67:10 pinging multiple times a day in every
67:12 time zone for the entire week uh and I
67:15 mean the entire game Saw record turn out
67:18 but horde alone had seen turnout in
67:21 numbers that we had never seen before uh
67:24 so that is going to be something that we
67:25 do again again um so just remember to
67:29 vote early vote often vote just as we
68:32 tell you to vote and make sure you vote
68:34 on all your Omega accounts uh because it
68:37 is one vote per account not per
68:39 character and if you do have multiple
68:41 Omega accounts you can vote and you
68:43 should vote you need to vote on all of
68:46 those
68:47 accounts so thanks guys for coming out
68:50 it's been a pleasure uh I had a lot of
68:52 fun I enjoy answering all of your
68:54 questions and providing feedback back if
68:56 you guys have anything else you ever
68:58 want to ask us make sure that you're
68:59 either damning us or pinging Us in the
68:01 Revenant channel uh we do read it often
68:05 especially I'm militant about reading it