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  1. [2017-11-09 13:22:43] → juniper joined (~User@BF995676:6A419A81:284255AD:IP)
  2. [2017-11-09 13:22:56] <juniper> hi I have a question
  3. [2017-11-09 13:23:02] <juniper> are there any staff members here
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  5. [2017-11-09 13:24:50] <juniper> or ops
  6. [2017-11-09 13:25:07] <Taffeta> Hey there. What's up?
  7. [2017-11-09 13:25:43] <juniper> I have a question
  8. [2017-11-09 13:26:27] <juniper> what kind of evidence would be needed to prove that a prominent user of the community has been sexually harasing another user and would it get them banned
  9. [2017-11-09 13:27:23] <ARD> juniper well we would need logs
  10. [2017-11-09 13:27:25] <Taffeta> Whoof. The first one would be in the ballpark of the Harassment Team (which I'm not personally on), but if it's strong enough, I don't see a reason it wouldn't get them banned.
  11. [2017-11-09 13:27:35] — Taffeta pokes Soulless
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  13. [2017-11-09 13:28:13] <juniper> hmmm I see. see I have had a hard time in the past getting people to listen to me here so I am just trying to find out what I need to have exactly so I will be taken seriously for once
  14. [2017-11-09 13:29:04] <juniper> so just logs are needed
  15. [2017-11-09 13:29:09] <juniper> who would I send them to
  16. [2017-11-09 13:29:13] <juniper> or just post here
  17. [2017-11-09 13:29:16] <ARD> No
  18. [2017-11-09 13:29:23] <ARD> Speak to Soulless
  19. [2017-11-09 13:29:44] <ARD> He leads the Harassment Team
  20. [2017-11-09 13:29:45] <ARD> Their job is to handle situations like this
  21. [2017-11-09 13:29:54] <juniper> hmm is there anyone else
  22. [2017-11-09 13:30:10] <juniper> someone I could trust to be unbiased
  23. [2017-11-09 13:30:29] <juniper> maybe somebody new who has not been around very long to make this decision
  24. [2017-11-09 13:30:49] <ARD> ??
  25. [2017-11-09 13:30:49] ⇐ archeryftw__ quit (~archeryft@synIRC-7D546FE9.dyn6.twc.com): Ping timeout: 180 seconds
  26. [2017-11-09 13:31:03] <DrMagnus> ....what?
  27. [2017-11-09 13:31:56] <ARD> juniper: you can contact Zyn or theduckman but nobody on harassment team is a new member
  28. [2017-11-09 13:31:59] <juniper> I ask because I want someone impartial who might not know the person Im talking about
  29. [2017-11-09 13:32:08] <DrMagnus> Staff take reports of harrassment /very/ seriously.
  30. [2017-11-09 13:32:15] <ARD> That’s frankly impossible to do
  31. [2017-11-09 13:32:16] <juniper> and none of you have ever seemed interested in listening in the past
  32. [2017-11-09 13:32:20] <DrMagnus> ...
  33. [2017-11-09 13:32:29] <juniper> so someone new might listen.
  34. [2017-11-09 13:32:31] <DrMagnus> Wow.
  35. [2017-11-09 13:32:44] <juniper> if there isn't someone new there should be so I can speak to them
  36. [2017-11-09 13:32:54] <DrMagnus> New staff do not have the authority you're seeking.
  37. [2017-11-09 13:33:37] <DrMagnus> If you have evidence of misconduct, I can assure you that the harrassment team will take it seriously. Especially if they're on the harrassment team.
  38. [2017-11-09 13:34:01] <juniper> hmm
  39. [2017-11-09 13:34:17] <juniper> so I need to have logs and send them to harassment team
  40. [2017-11-09 13:34:22] <ARD> Yes
  41. [2017-11-09 13:34:29] <juniper> and this will get the user banned?
  42. [2017-11-09 13:34:42] <ARD> It may. Harassment team will have to review the logs
  43. [2017-11-09 13:34:47] <DrMagnus> If staff finds the evidence credible, potentially.
  44. [2017-11-09 13:34:50] <ARD> And they will determine what needs to be done
  45. [2017-11-09 13:34:52] <juniper> if they are banned do they have their scps deleted?
  46. [2017-11-09 13:34:56] <ARD> No
  47. [2017-11-09 13:34:59] <DrMagnus> No.
  48. [2017-11-09 13:35:00] <Quikngruvn> Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
  49. [2017-11-09 13:35:02] <Quikngruvn> And no.
  50. [2017-11-09 13:35:19] <juniper> why is that if they are a sexual harasser I have to ask
  51. [2017-11-09 13:35:40] <DrMagnus> You have to ask what?
  52. [2017-11-09 13:35:54] <juniper> why is that?
  53. [2017-11-09 13:36:16] <DrMagnus> What are you asking, precisely?
  54. [2017-11-09 13:36:24] <ARD> we have a policy of not removing Creative Commons work unless it is the explicit wish of the author or it is plagiarized
  55. [2017-11-09 13:36:39] <DrMagnus> Why we won't ban a staff member on a ln allegation? Or why we won't delete banned user works?
  56. [2017-11-09 13:36:49] <DrMagnus> Based on*
  57. [2017-11-09 13:36:49] <juniper> I want to know why their scps should not be deleted if they are banned for harassment
  58. [2017-11-09 13:37:17] <Quikngruvn> That's not how bannings work, in general.
  59. [2017-11-09 13:37:28] <DrMagnus> Because the wiki doesn't delete works without compelling reason.
  60. [2017-11-09 13:37:40] <DrMagnus> An author being an ass is not a compelling reason.
  61. [2017-11-09 13:37:43] <juniper> never mind that. I have logs. they will be enough
  62. [2017-11-09 13:37:58] <juniper> maybe they plagiarized to who knows
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  64. [2017-11-09 13:38:06] * ChanServ set +h Tuomey
  65. [2017-11-09 13:38:17] <DrMagnus> I doubt that.
  66. [2017-11-09 13:38:27] <Quikngruvn> Now, juniper, I am an admin, and so a de facto member of Harassment. I would be willing and able to receive your complaint.
  67. [2017-11-09 13:38:34] <juniper> I will show them to you but the user is in this room so could you ask them to leave please
  68. [2017-11-09 13:39:01] <ARD> juniper: you can send logs through PMs
  69. [2017-11-09 13:39:10] <Quikngruvn> ...I can't read minds. Send to me via PM.
  70. [2017-11-09 13:39:14] <ARD> You can open a private discussion with quikngruvn
  71. [2017-11-09 13:39:30] <juniper> I would rather everybody see so I have less chance of being dismissed by one person
  72. [2017-11-09 13:39:59] <juniper> just ban djkaktus and I will present the logs for you to see all at once
  73. [2017-11-09 13:40:20] <ARD> Ah
  74. [2017-11-09 13:40:22] <Quikngruvn> It doesn't work like that.
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  76. [2017-11-09 13:40:31] * ChanServ set +h Sly_Mobile
  77. [2017-11-09 13:40:36] <Quikngruvn> Show your logs here now, or PM them to me.
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  79. [2017-11-09 13:40:50] <Quikngruvn> I don't care which, but I'm not pre-emptively banning anyone.
  80. [2017-11-09 13:41:24] <juniper> ok one moment while I get the worst part together
  81. [2017-11-09 13:41:29] <juniper> I will show you
  82. [2017-11-09 13:45:19] <juniper> <djkaktus> [image of penis]
  83. [2017-11-09 13:45:19] <juniper> <djkaktus> you like it?
  84. [2017-11-09 13:45:19] <juniper> <delilah> no
  85. [2017-11-09 13:45:19] <juniper> <delilah> why would you show me that?
  86. [2017-11-09 13:45:19] <juniper> <djkaktus> lol
  87. [2017-11-09 13:45:19] <juniper> <djkaktus> thats what you want isnt it?
  88. [2017-11-09 13:45:19] <juniper> <delilah> please dont do this
  89. [2017-11-09 13:45:19] <juniper> <djkaktus> are you going to tell somebody?
  90. [2017-11-09 13:45:19] <juniper> <djkaktus> nobody will believe you
  91. [2017-11-09 13:45:19] <juniper> <djkaktus> not over me
  92. [2017-11-09 13:45:20] <juniper> <djkaktus> you want another?
  93. [2017-11-09 13:45:21] <juniper> <delilah> no
  94. [2017-11-09 13:45:22] <juniper> <djkaktus> [another picture]
  95. [2017-11-09 13:45:24] <juniper> <djkaktus> you like that bitch
  96. [2017-11-09 13:45:43] <djkaktus> Jesus what the fuck
  97. [2017-11-09 13:46:13] <juniper> please make him leave now
  98. [2017-11-09 13:46:19] <juniper> and i will show the rest
  99. [2017-11-09 13:46:52] <Quikngruvn> Who's delilah? When did this happen? Where did this happen? Why are there no timestamps?
  100. [2017-11-09 13:47:09] <juniper> delilah is another nick I use.
  101. [2017-11-09 13:47:13] <juniper> this happened in pms
  102. [2017-11-09 13:47:24] <juniper> my irc does not use timestamps
  103. [2017-11-09 13:47:32] <DrMagnus> Can I submit a harrassment claim on Kaktus' behalf here?
  104. [2017-11-09 13:47:42] <Quikngruvn> When did this occur?
  105. [2017-11-09 13:47:47] <DrMagnus> Literally every program ever created uses timestamps.
  106. [2017-11-09 13:48:11] <ARD> juniper: what irc client do you use
  107. [2017-11-09 13:48:13] <Quikngruvn> Magnus, premature.
  108. [2017-11-09 13:48:19] <juniper> I use irc for android
  109. [2017-11-09 13:48:24] <juniper> no timestamps
  110. [2017-11-09 13:48:53] <Quikngruvn> When did this occur?
  111. [2017-11-09 13:48:56] <juniper> can you please make him leave now so we can talk about banning
  112. [2017-11-09 13:49:06] <Quikngruvn> No. That is not how this works.
  113. [2017-11-09 13:49:08] <juniper> this occurred earlier this morning
  114. [2017-11-09 13:49:36] <juniper> like at 4am eastern time
  115. [2017-11-09 13:50:02] <djkaktus> Let the record show I guess that I was asleep at 4am because I didn't work last night
  116. [2017-11-09 13:50:12] <juniper> see this is what I mean
  117. [2017-11-09 13:50:17] <juniper> don't let him talk
  118. [2017-11-09 13:50:42] ⇐ Soulless quit (no.g@ds.or.kings.only.monster.boyfriends): NickServ (GHOST command used by Soulless__)
  119. [2017-11-09 13:50:48] → Soulless joined (no.g@ds.or.kings.only.monster.boyfriends)
  120. [2017-11-09 13:50:48] * ChanServ set +a Soulless
  121. [2017-11-09 13:50:48] * ChanServ set +o Soulless
  122. [2017-11-09 13:50:51] <Quikngruvn> juniper, can you provide a screenshot of this PM conversation?
  123. [2017-11-09 13:51:21] <juniper> I don't feel comfortable giving a screenshot it has information about me on it
  124. [2017-11-09 13:51:34] <juniper> honestly I feel very threatened and vulnerable right now
  125. [2017-11-09 13:51:40] <juniper> I knew this would happen
  126. [2017-11-09 13:51:58] <Quikngruvn> juniper, send me a screenshot via PM.
  127. [2017-11-09 13:52:20] <Quikngruvn> This is a serious allegation, and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
  128. [2017-11-09 13:52:30] <juniper> you said logs
  129. [2017-11-09 13:52:35] <juniper> I provided logs
  130. [2017-11-09 13:52:47] <juniper> I will get a screenshot after removing other information
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  132. [2017-11-09 13:54:07] ⇐ salvagebar quit (uid234490@dark.web.weed.dealer): Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
  133. [2017-11-09 14:01:27] <Hexi> [X] doubt
  134. [2017-11-09 14:01:40] <tretter> Let's not, Hexi.
  135. [2017-11-09 14:01:45] <tretter> For the sake of everyone else.
  136. [2017-11-09 14:21:15] * subtletea → teaworking
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  138. [2017-11-09 14:27:42] ⇐ Soulless quit (no.g@ds.or.kings.only.monster.boyfriends): NickServ (GHOST command used by Soulless__)
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  140. [2017-11-09 14:27:48] * ChanServ set +a Soulless
  141. [2017-11-09 14:27:48] * ChanServ set +o Soulless
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  146. [2017-11-09 14:35:30] <juniper> ok I have the screenshot
  147. [2017-11-09 14:35:42] <juniper> I have removed any information about me
  148. [2017-11-09 14:35:49] <Quikngruvn> OK.
  149. [2017-11-09 14:36:12] <juniper> anonimag.es/image/JT9sUt5
  150. [2017-11-09 14:36:25] <juniper> this is very distressing I am sorry
  151. [2017-11-09 14:36:31] <juniper> will you please make him go now
  152. [2017-11-09 14:36:43] <Quikngruvn> Is that supposed to be a URL?
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  154. [2017-11-09 14:37:06] <juniper> yes
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  156. [2017-11-09 14:39:03] * ChanServ set +h Joreth
  157. [2017-11-09 14:39:29] <djkaktus> So uh, I should probably say here that if you look at the top right just underneath the clock, you can see where a black brush has been used to wipe out whatever time was there. It's covering the grey line below it.
  158. [2017-11-09 14:39:34] <djkaktus> Also the font is wrong lol
  159. [2017-11-09 14:39:45] <juniper> PLEASE GO AWAY
  160. [2017-11-09 14:39:54] <juniper> YOU'VE DONE ENOUGH
  161. [2017-11-09 14:40:28] <Quikngruvn> What's underneath the red swatches in the first and second-to-last lines?
  162. [2017-11-09 14:40:48] <Quikngruvn> What's underneath the red blob to the right of djkaktus in the header?
  163. [2017-11-09 14:41:00] <juniper> links to images of his penis
  164. [2017-11-09 14:41:10] ⇐ vezaz quit (uid151975@synIRC-BE520D8D.ealing.irccloud.com): Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
  165. [2017-11-09 14:41:20] <juniper> underneath that is other people I was talking to at the same time
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  167. [2017-11-09 14:41:29] <juniper> and other channels. I did not want to give them away
  168. [2017-11-09 14:41:46] <DrMagnus> You said this was a PM.
  169. [2017-11-09 14:41:59] <Quikngruvn> How did you and kaktus meet?
  170. [2017-11-09 14:42:11] <Quikngruvn> What are the URL's for the linked images?
  171. [2017-11-09 14:42:55] <juniper> it was a PM. he messaged me
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  173. [2017-11-09 14:43:10] <juniper> we did not ever meet he just messaged me suddenly with that
  174. [2017-11-09 14:43:18] <juniper> I dont know how he knows me
  175. [2017-11-09 14:43:25] <juniper> maybe somebody told him to harass me
  176. [2017-11-09 14:43:42] <juniper> I will not give out those urls they are extremely vile
  177. [2017-11-09 14:43:52] <Quikngruvn> So you're saying that, out of the blue, with no previous interaction whatsoever, kaktus just sent you dick pics.
  178. [2017-11-09 14:44:10] <Quikngruvn> I don't care how vile they are.
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  180. [2017-11-09 14:45:26] * ChanServ set +h trots
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  182. [2017-11-09 14:46:09] <juniper> fine
  183. [2017-11-09 14:46:14] <juniper> if you want to see
  184. [2017-11-09 14:46:49] <juniper> https://imgur.com/a/OS6b5
  185. [2017-11-09 14:46:53] <juniper> it is very vile
  186. [2017-11-09 14:47:40] <Quikngruvn> What's the other?
  187. [2017-11-09 14:49:26] <juniper> https://imgur.com/OjyTXXy.jpg
  188. [2017-11-09 14:50:24] <juniper> I have provided you with all the proof I have
  189. [2017-11-09 14:50:37] <juniper> you said that you would deliberate and ban this user
  190. [2017-11-09 14:50:56] <juniper> as reparation I would also like to see all of their works removed for the harm they have done
  191. [2017-11-09 14:51:14] <Quikngruvn> For the last time, *that is not how things work*.
  192. [2017-11-09 14:51:34] <juniper> I don't understand why this is so hard
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  194. [2017-11-09 14:51:43] <juniper> i did everything you asked
  195. [2017-11-09 14:51:49] <juniper> this is very distressing
  196. [2017-11-09 14:51:55] <juniper> I just want it to be over.
  197. [2017-11-09 14:52:19] <Quikngruvn> juniper, it can be over. Just type "/ignore djkaktus" without the quotes.
  198. [2017-11-09 14:52:42] <juniper> what about discipline?
  199. [2017-11-09 14:52:43] <Quikngruvn> But, as per wiki policy, *staff does not delete works by banned users*.
  200. [2017-11-09 14:52:48] <juniper> he might do it to other users
  201. [2017-11-09 14:52:59] <juniper> or lead by example
  202. [2017-11-09 14:56:43] <juniper> hello?
  203. [2017-11-09 14:56:47] <juniper> he's still in here
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  207. [2017-11-09 14:59:10] <juniper> can somebody respond please? Im very upset
  208. [2017-11-09 14:59:20] <DrMagnus> The harrassment team has to look at everything you've brought forward. No action is going to be taken in the next 5 minutes.
  209. [2017-11-09 14:59:31] <DrMagnus> (or significantly longer than 5 minutes)
  210. [2017-11-09 15:00:04] <juniper> I knew this would happen
  211. [2017-11-09 15:00:16] <juniper> I don't know what else I need to do to convince you people
  212. [2017-11-09 15:00:21] <juniper> it should not be this hard
  213. [2017-11-09 15:00:37] <Quikngruvn> When have you tried convincing us before?
  214. [2017-11-09 15:00:42] <juniper> ill be back to check later. please let me talk to somebody else then
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