Eng Spielberg

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<font color="#804040">Steven Spielberg:</font>
I started making movies
when I was a young kid,

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but I remember the time
I almost gave up my dream
of being a movie director.

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I must have been 16.

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<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
A movie came into town
called "Lawrence of Arabia,"

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and everybody
was talking about it.

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I never sat in a fancy
theater seat before.

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Premium ticket price,
70mm projection,

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stereophonic sound.

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And when
the film was over,

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I wanted to not be
a director anymore

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because the bar
was too high.

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There was a scene
where he looked at himself
in that sword/knife,

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when he was first
given the robes

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and he thought
he was alone.

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And he walked
around laughing

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and looking at his shadow
where the diaphanous robe

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he was holding out
was actually imprinted

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- on the sand in shadow.
- <font color="#808080">( laughs )</font>

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It was a great moment.

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And then later,
when they route
the retreating Turks,

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you see him again
covered in gore.

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And he's got the knife
in the same position
he had it

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in his pristine days,
in his glory days.

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And he's looking at himself,
who he's become.

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It was the first time,
seeing a movie,

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I realized that
there are themes that aren't
narrative story themes.

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There are themes
that are character themes,
that are personal themes.

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That David Lean
created a portraiture,

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surrounded the portrait
with a mural

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of scope
and epic action,

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but at the heart and core
of "Lawrence of Arabia"

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is "Who am I"?

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- <font color="#808080">( gunfire )</font>
- <font color="#808080">( all yelling )</font>

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<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I had such a profound reaction
to the filmmaking,

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and I went back
and saw the film
a week later.

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I saw the film
a week after that.

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And I saw the film
a week after that.

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And I realized that
there was no going back,

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that this was going to be
what I was gonna do

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or I was gonna
die trying.

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But this was going to be
the rest of my life.

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<font color="#808080">( roaring )</font>

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And then trying to get--
it felt lined up.

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<font color="#804040">- Man:</font> The camera
just gotta go right.
- Just a little bit lower.

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That's good right there.
That's perfect.

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Yeah, camera has to go
right a bit, please.

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Go right.

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- Right, right, right, right.
<font color="#804040">- Man:</font> Can you get there?

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Right there
would be good.

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<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
Every time I start
a new scene, I'm nervous.

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And it's like
going to school,
having to take a test.

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I never heard the lines
spoken before.

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I don't know
what I'm gonna think
of hearing the lines,

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I don't know what
I'm gonna tell the actors,

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I don't know where
I'm gonna put the camera.

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And every single time,
it's the same.

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But I tell you,
it's the greatest feeling
in the world.

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I'll tell you
why it's a good feeling.

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The more
I'm feeling confident

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and secure
about something,

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the less
I'm gonna put out.

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The more I'm feeling,
"Uh-oh, this could be
a major problem

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in getting
the story told,"

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I'm gonna work overtime
to meet the challenge

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and get the job done.

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All right, that's done.
I don't know if it's worth it.

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<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
And so, I hate the feeling
of being nervous,

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but I need to feel
in this moment

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I'm really not sure
what I'm doing.

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And when that verges on panic,
I get great ideas.

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The more I feel
backed into a corner,

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the more rewarding
it becomes

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when I figure my way out
of the corner.

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I love it.
Next shot.

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Good.

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- <font color="#808080">( muffled chatter )</font>

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- Did you see that?
- Yes.

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<font color="#808080">( screams )</font>

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<font color="#808080">( muffled screaming )</font>

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<font color="#804040">Martin Scorsese:</font>
I remember when Steven
was in production on "Jaws,"

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the word around town
and in the "LA Times"

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was that it was folly
and that it was gonna be
a disaster.

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<font color="#804040">Richard Dreyfuss:</font>
"Jaws" started filming
on May 2nd.

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I was hired,
I think, on May 3rd,

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and they had no shark,
no script, and no cast

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when they first started,
so...

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The script
was never locked.

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We were
rewriting the script

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12 hours
before we were shooting
what we just wrote.

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You know, it's scary
for a director to not know

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if he's gonna be able
to hand pages to his cast
the next morning.

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<font color="#804040">Man:</font>
Guys, we can't shoot
right now.

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- Hold on.
<font color="#804040">- Man #2:</font> Hold on.

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<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
This is my second day
at sea

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and I have
54 more days to go.

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And if I survive this,

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I'll have learned a lot,
because right now all I can
tell you is

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it's twice as slow
shooting at sea as it is
shooting on land.

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<font color="#804040">Bill Butler:</font> Well, the studio
had never shot a film
on the ocean before.

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They would do it
on the back lake.

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They would do it
in a studio tank.

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They would make
miniature boats.

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They would--
everything would be so easy

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that you would never
get cold or wet.

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But Steven said,
"I'm gonna shoot
in the open ocean."

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Roll sound.

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<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
This was supposed
to be a thriller

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based on people
like you and me that are
out of our element

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and having to fight something
we have no comprehension
how to deal with.

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That needs a level
of authenticity

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that I thought shooting it
in the back lot

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at Universal
in North Hollywood
would not give it.

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So, to me,
there was no going back.

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It had to be shot
in the ocean.

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<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I thought it was
gonna be a cakewalk,

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but I didn't know anything
about tides or currents.

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I didn't know
about how the wind
affects the water,

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how the color of the sky
changes the color
of the water,

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or how you can't get
anything to match.

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It was one nightmare,
worst-case scenario
after the other.

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I didn't think
we'd ever finish.

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I had just assumed
I'd be fired off the picture.

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We were isolated
in the middle of the ocean,
12 miles offshore,

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and it was technology
over art every single day.

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We'd get a shot,
art was there,

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but you couldn't recognize
the art from the effort.

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Just trying to hold
a whole movie story
in my head

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is a very lonely thing,
because nobody can really
help me with that.

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I have to see it
before I film it.

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And that's why
it was so scary on "Jaws"--

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when I couldn't see it
until I finally did.

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Just before I went off
to make "Jaws," I got to meet
Henry Hathaway.

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He was kind of
a tough-guy director,
and he said,

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"There's gonna be moments
where you're gonna
get to the set

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and you're not gonna know
what the hell you're doing.

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It happens to all of us.

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You've gotta
guard that secret
with your life.

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Let no one see
when you're unsure
of yourself.

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Hide that
from everybody,

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or you'll lose
the respect of everyone."

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<font color="#804040">Man:</font>
Marker.

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<font color="#804040">- Man #2:</font> Good blood.
<font color="#804040">- Spielberg:</font> And... ready?

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- And action, Roy.
- Slow ahead.

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I can go slow ahead.

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You ought to come down
and ladle some of this shit.

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<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
And down.

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Absolutely everything
was falling apart.

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The first time
we tested the shark,
it sunk.

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It would come up
out of the water and go...

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<font color="#808080">( vocalizing )</font>
Like that.

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<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I knew that it's gonna take

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three or four weeks
to rebuild the shark,

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and so we'd have to make up
something else

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that didn't exactly
show the shark

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but gave the sense
the shark was near.

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Bring it around
after him!

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<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
The barrels were a godsend,

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because I didn't need to show
the shark as long as those
barrels were around.

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What you don't see
is generally scarier
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and the script was filled
with "shark."

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Shark here, shark there,
shark everywhere.

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The movie doesn't have
very much shark in it.

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<font color="#808080">( boat engine starting )</font>

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<font color="#804040">John Williams:</font>
If the shark had been
available visually,

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it might have changed
the whole psychology

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of the experience.

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<font color="#804040">Williams:</font>
When you hear,
"boom-boom, boom-boom,"

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you've already been
conditioned to think that's
when the shark is present.

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When the shark is far away,
it's very faint.

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When the shark is just about
to attack, it's very close
and it's very loud.

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<font color="#804040">Williams:</font> We can advertise
the shark's presence
or his attitude

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by how we manage
these notes,

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just very few notes.

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<font color="#804040">Dreyfuss:</font>
You are in a state of anxiety
without seeing a shark.

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It just scares the crap
out of you.

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Charlie,
take my word for it!

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Don't look back!
Swim, Charlie!

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Swim!
Come on, Charlie!

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Dun-dun.
Dun-dun, dun-dun.

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Dun-dun, dun-dun, dun-dun,
bom,  bom, bom, bom, bom, bom.

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Come on,
a little more, Charlie.
Attaboy.

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Come here, Charlie.
Attaboy. Attaboy.

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<font color="#804040">David Edelstein:</font>
It is a perfect exercise
in suspense

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with technique
that any other filmmaker
would kill for.

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<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font> I knew I was using
an electric cattle prod
on the audience

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every time
there was some kind
of a pop-up surprise.

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<font color="#804040">Michael Phillips:</font>
Like Hitchcock, he knows
how to get you

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on the edge of your seat.

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He doesn't show you
what you want to see,

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and then he delivers it
when he wants to deliver it.

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- <font color="#808080">( screams )</font>
<font color="#804040">- J. Hoberman:</font> He certainly
likes torturing the audience.

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Has he ever been
in analysis?

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<font color="#808080">( thunder rumbling )</font>

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1, 1,000; 2, 1,000;

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3, 1,000; 4, 1,000...

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<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
Everything scared me
when I was a kid.

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Everything.

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- 1, 1,000;
2, 1,000;
3, one...
- <font color="#808080">( thunder rumbling )</font>

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<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I had a tree out my window
that was terrifying.

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It was just terrifying.

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1, 1,000; 2, 1,000...

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<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I was filled
with so much fear

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that I needed
to exorcise some of that.

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And what better audience
to exorcise myself
of my demons

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than my three sisters.

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<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

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He would lock us
in the closet with a skull,

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which he had dripped
different colors of wax
all over.

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It almost looked
like blood.

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I'd blindfold them
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bring them
into the closet.

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I'd put my whole body weight
against the door.

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They'd take
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and I would just sit there
listening to them screaming.

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I mean, telling
this story now...

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I still think
it was pretty cool.

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I was gonna say,
"I hate myself for that."

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I don't hate
myself for that.
It was fun.

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At first,
he just scared us.

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But through his movies,

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he gets to scare the shit
out of everybody now.

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- <font color="#808080">( screaming )</font>
<font color="#804040">- Dan Rather:</font>
The blockbuster movie

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of the summer,
of course, is "Jaws,"

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a tale of a murderous
white shark on the loose.

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And that movie's release
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for maximum impact
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and some people
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are now seeing phantom sharks
every time they go
near the water.

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<font color="#804040">Scorsese:</font>
I remember the night
"Jaws" opened.

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I was with Steven.
He said, "Let's go
and see the lines."

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And we were looking, going by
all the lines in Westwood

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and places like that,
and I said, "This is it.

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This is gonna be
a major change."

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<font color="#804040">Janet Maslin:</font>
I was with him in the car

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and he was really,
really nervous but excited.

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And the car
went around the corner,

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and there was the line
went around the corner,

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and then the car kept going,
and the line kept going.

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And he was
absolutely beside himself.

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You know, it was
this instant breakthrough.

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It was like
balloons were exploding
inside of this car.

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And his whole life changed
in that couple of minutes.

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And he was 25 years old
or something.

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<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
"Jaws" went
triple its budget

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and it went about
two and a half times
its schedule.

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We wound up shooting
the movie in 159 days.

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The film was originally
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But my hubris
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I could shoot the film
in 55 days.

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Steven shook the very bones
of Hollywood.

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"Jaws" made more money

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than any film had ever made
up to that time.

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<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
The success of that
changed my life.

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You know,
it gave me final cut.

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It gave me a chance
to pick and choose

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the movies I directed
from that moment on.

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So "Jaws" was a free pass
into my future.

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- <font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>
- <font color="#808080">( applause )</font>

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I want you to meet
a filmmaker now who has taken

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the movie-going public
and shaken it to
its very roots.

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- Oh, boy!
- Aren't you excited?

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- And everybody loves it.
- Have you seen it?

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<font color="#804040">Dinah Shore:</font>
Please welcome
Mr. Steven Spielberg.

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- <font color="#808080">( applause )</font>
- <font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

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When did you first
really get interested
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When I was
a bad little kid.

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- Really?
- About, yeah, 13 years old.

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- That was the whole thing?
- Very early starter, yeah.

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Not-- I didn't
take it seriously.

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I did it--
like some people paint

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and some people like to,
you know, drive little cars,

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and I liked to make
little movies.

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I didn't realize
there was 50 years
of filmmaking before me.

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And I lived
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where you can listen
to cactus grow if you have
nothing better to do.

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- Yeah.
- And I took
a movie camera

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and I was learning
sort of the ABCs
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but it was just fun,
it was something to do.

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<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I really wanted
my childhood to be

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sort of the pie-in-the-sky,
Norman Rockwell American Dream.

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My dad was this computer genius
that was on the team
that invented

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the first commercial
data processing machine
at RCA back in 1950,

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and so my dad
was headhunted a lot and
went from company to company.

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Like Army brats,
we moved from place to place.

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But most of my formative years
took place in Phoenix, Arizona.

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My father was the American man
who worked very hard.

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Sometimes worked six days a week
and he came home late at night.

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His career demanded
a lot of time away
from the family.

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And my mom
was Peter Pan.

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She was a sibling,
not a parent,

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because
she was a best friend,

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not a primary caregiver.

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And she got into trouble
like we got into trouble.

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<font color="#804040">Anne:</font>
Steve had a feeling
that family should be

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like "Father Knows Best,"

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but we were not
the usual family.

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We just kind of were bohemians
growing up in suburbia.

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I went to a pet store one day,
and there was a monkey

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sitting in a cage
like this, fetal position.

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And the shopkeeper said
the monkey was dying.

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He had been
taken away from his mother
and he was depressed.

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So, I come home,
driving my jeep

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with a big cage in the back
and a monkey in the cage.

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And I remember
the kids freaked out.

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They were so scared.

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Steve said, "You know,
in a normal household,

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kids say,
'Can we have a monkey?'

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And the mother says,
'Are you crazy?'"

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You know, when I hear
my stories about

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the things I've done,
I think, "That's crazy."

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<font color="#804040">Susan Lacy:</font>
Did you think
she was crazy?

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I liked the monkey.

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<font color="#808080">( birds chirping )</font>

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<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

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<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
As a child, I spent a lot
of my time watching television,

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or listening
to soundtrack albums,

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or just sitting around,
looking at the clouds.

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My dad was always on me
for that.

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He did not
like me getting Cs,

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but school was not a place
I was really drawn to.

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<font color="#804040">Nancy:</font>
Steve was a kid that was
sort of watchful and tentative

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and in some ways hesitant.

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You know, he wasn't
like the normal kids
in the neighborhood.

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He wasn't the muscle guy.

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You know,
he got bullied a lot.

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That was tough.

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Most of my demons
were self-inflicted wounds.

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They were things
inside myself.

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The way I saw myself.

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I didn't have a lot
of high esteem for myself,

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you know, growing up.

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I just was a lonely guy.

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<font color="#804040">J.J. Abrams:</font>
I think that explained a lot

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of why and how
he was compelled
to make movies.

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It was not just a means
of expression,

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but it was
a means of escape,

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and it was a means of sometimes
making friends with people

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that you couldn't otherwise,
or getting to hang out

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with girls that you might not
be able to otherwise,

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or just finding a way
to have meaning.

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<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
The camera was my pen.

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I wrote my stories
through the lens.

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And when I was able to say
"action" and "cut,"

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I wrested control
of my life.

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<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

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<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I love films like
the "Sands of Iwo Jima,"

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the "Flying Tigers,"
"Battleground,"

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films that I'd see
on television.

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And I would watch
these things over and over
and over again.

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I was really influenced
by all that stuff,

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and so my first
couple of movies

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were stories
about World War II.

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There was
an airport with a bunch
of World War II airplanes

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just sitting out there
on the tarmac.

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<font color="#808080">( explosion )</font>

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I would take a shot
of my friend with his finger
on the stick

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and intercut
actual 8mm combat footage.

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A lot of it
shot by John Ford,
by the way.

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And made a movie
that looked like

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the production value
was off the charts

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because the production value
was off the charts.

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It was the real thing.

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<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

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<font color="#804040">Abrams:</font>
You can just look
at those movies,

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and you see the ability
to tell a story without words.

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His use
of primitive special effects
was spectacular.

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You know, he'd have
big bullet hits,

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he'd put little
see-saws of dirt,

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so that when his actors
were running,

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they'd step
on one piece,

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and it would sort of catapult
the dirt up in the air

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as if they were being shot
as they were running.

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There were things
that he did that just
made complete sense.

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You saw the trajectory.

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There was something
in the DNA of it that,

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despite it being shot
on 8mm film,

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was the voice
of that same filmmaker.

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But I didn't know
anything about whether

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I was gonna have a career
or where this was gonna go.

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I just knew that it filled up
the time and it gave me

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a tremendous amount
of satisfaction.

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And the second
I finished a movie,
I wanted to start a new one

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because I felt good
about myself when I was
making a film.

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But when I had
too much time to think,

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all those scary whispers
would start-- start up.

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It was not fun to be me
in between ideas or projects.

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<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

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<font color="#804040">Sid Sheinberg:</font>
The lore has it
that as a young man,

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Steven was sort of
the Phantom of the Opera,

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haunting the lot
of Universal Studios.

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He would literally
get on the lot

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one way or another.

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<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I got on the studio
tour bus,

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took a jaunt
around the back lot.

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And then at one point
they give you a bathroom break,

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and I never came out
of the bathroom.

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I waited till
I could hear a pin drop,
and then came out.

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The bus was gone
and I was on the lot.

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<font color="#804040">James Brolin:</font>
Word was that he went upstairs

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in the tower and took an office
on the sixth floor,

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and nobody bothered him
for six months.

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<font color="#804040">Dreyfuss:</font>
The story was
he requisitioned an office,

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telephone, put his name
on the door.

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Eh, I don't believe it,
but you know what they said

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in "The Man Who Shot
Liberty Valance"--

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when the legend
is bigger than the facts,
print the legend.

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<font color="#804040">Roger Ernest:</font>
One time he sneaked
onto Alfred Hitchcock's set

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and watched him
direct a little bit

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until he got caught
and was asked to leave.

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Steve was
constantly learning,

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constantly looking,
constantly asking questions

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from all
of the tradespeople--

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cinematographer,
lighting, editors.

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It was like Spielberg 101
in overdrive.

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<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I tried very hard
to get into USC Film School,

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and I just didn't have
the grades to get in.

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And I even had
a personal interview at USC,

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and they turned me down
even in person.

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So, Universal became
my film school.

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<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

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<font color="#804040">Ernest:</font>
Steven was laser focused.

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He never lost sight
of the fact that the audience
early on, for him,

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wasn't the audience
in the theater.

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The audience were
the studio executives.

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And he figured out
how to make a film

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that will convince
the studio executives that,

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"Yes, I have the talent
to be a director.

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This is what I can do."

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<font color="#804040">Sheinberg:</font>
I looked at this film,
and I was very taken with it.

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I had
a very strong feeling

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00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:40,987
that this was not
your average young filmmaker.

445
00:23:40,987 --> 00:23:45,153
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font> Sid Sheinberg,
who was President of Universal
Television at the time,

446
00:23:45,153 --> 00:23:47,904
he said, "So, sir,
I saw your film.

447
00:23:47,904 --> 00:23:49,403
Very well made.

448
00:23:49,403 --> 00:23:51,946
I'd like to offer you
a seven-year contract

449
00:23:51,946 --> 00:23:54,403
to come to Universal
to direct television."

450
00:23:54,403 --> 00:23:57,987
He said,
"If you sign with us,

451
00:23:57,987 --> 00:24:02,570
I will support you
as strongly in failure

452
00:24:02,570 --> 00:24:05,153
as I will in success."

453
00:24:05,153 --> 00:24:07,445
And he was true
to his word.

454
00:24:07,445 --> 00:24:12,112
And that was the beginning
of the most important
relationship

455
00:24:12,112 --> 00:24:14,529
I could ever imagine having
in this business.

456
00:24:14,529 --> 00:24:17,862
<font color="#804040">Dreyfuss:</font>
Steven was known
as the uncrowned prince.

457
00:24:17,862 --> 00:24:19,737
He was the guy
who was gonna make it.

458
00:24:19,737 --> 00:24:22,654
I mean, he was directing
Joan Crawford

459
00:24:22,654 --> 00:24:25,195
when he was 20.

460
00:24:25,195 --> 00:24:27,862
That'll teach you
a lot of things.
<font color="#808080">( chuckling )</font>

461
00:24:27,862 --> 00:24:31,195
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
Joan Crawford is the first
professional SAG member

462
00:24:31,195 --> 00:24:34,195
I ever directed
in my life!

463
00:24:34,195 --> 00:24:37,237
I want to see something!

464
00:24:37,237 --> 00:24:42,695
Trees, concrete, buildings,
grass, airplanes, color!

465
00:24:42,695 --> 00:24:45,695
<font color="#804040">Scorsese:</font> It was Cassavetes
who said, "If you want to be
a real filmmaker,

466
00:24:45,695 --> 00:24:47,862
you can't be afraid
of anything or anybody."

467
00:24:47,862 --> 00:24:49,695
And Steven's not.

468
00:24:49,695 --> 00:24:51,737
He's there with Joan Crawford
who wants him out every day.

469
00:24:51,737 --> 00:24:55,821
And he's gotta shoot
and be on schedule
and be good,

470
00:24:55,821 --> 00:24:58,071
meaning that
it has to have a vision.

471
00:24:58,071 --> 00:25:00,071
The shots have to have
a point of view.

472
00:25:00,071 --> 00:25:02,278
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
But after "Night Gallery"
came out,

473
00:25:02,278 --> 00:25:05,612
there was a lot of criticism
on the fact that I was
a novelty item.

474
00:25:05,612 --> 00:25:08,403
The youngest term director
ever put under contract
in history.

475
00:25:08,403 --> 00:25:11,821
And the producers
who were doing the hiring
wouldn't hire me.

476
00:25:11,821 --> 00:25:13,570
There was
a lot of hostility,

477
00:25:13,570 --> 00:25:15,946
and I had to prove myself
to everybody.

478
00:25:15,946 --> 00:25:19,237
You know, they looked at me
as sort of Sheinberg's folly.

479
00:25:19,237 --> 00:25:22,570
He underwrote me.
Let him find me work.

480
00:25:22,570 --> 00:25:24,529
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

481
00:25:27,153 --> 00:25:29,362
<font color="#804040">Brolin:</font>
I had wanted to direct,

482
00:25:29,362 --> 00:25:32,487
and Steven walks in,
and he's a kid!

483
00:25:32,487 --> 00:25:34,654
And I'm envious as hell
right away.

484
00:25:36,529 --> 00:25:38,695
<font color="#804040">Scorsese:</font>
Steven's able
to walk into a room,

485
00:25:38,695 --> 00:25:41,195
look for a second or two,
say, "Here. Here.

486
00:25:41,195 --> 00:25:44,362
Move that here.
Give me a 25mm here.

487
00:25:44,362 --> 00:25:46,278
Put it this way.
Face forward.

488
00:25:46,278 --> 00:25:48,278
Move it.
Silhouette here.

489
00:25:48,278 --> 00:25:49,862
Two takes, three takes.
That's enough. Thanks.

490
00:25:49,862 --> 00:25:51,612
Let's move on."
It was amazing.

491
00:25:51,612 --> 00:25:54,237
<font color="#804040">Steven Bochco:</font>
Steven had a gear
in his brain

492
00:25:54,237 --> 00:25:58,445
that automatically translated
words into pictures

493
00:25:58,445 --> 00:26:02,320
almost without it being
a conscious process for him.

494
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,987
There was a unique
visual voice there

495
00:26:05,987 --> 00:26:08,987
that you had to not only
pay attention to,

496
00:26:08,987 --> 00:26:13,654
but you had to give
somewhat of a free rein to.

497
00:26:13,654 --> 00:26:15,695
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

498
00:26:34,487 --> 00:26:38,112
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
My early themes always had
the underdog being pursued

499
00:26:38,112 --> 00:26:40,320
by indomitable forces

500
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,779
of both nature
and natural enemies,

501
00:26:43,779 --> 00:26:47,695
and that person has to rise
to the occasion to survive.

502
00:26:47,695 --> 00:26:49,654
And a lot of that
comes just from

503
00:26:49,654 --> 00:26:51,862
the insecurities
I felt as a kid

504
00:26:51,862 --> 00:26:55,029
and how that bled over
into the work.

505
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:58,737
I was always the kid
with the big bully,

506
00:26:58,737 --> 00:27:01,612
and "Duel" was my life
in the schoolyard.

507
00:27:01,612 --> 00:27:05,237
The truck was the bully,
and the car was me.

508
00:27:05,237 --> 00:27:07,695
<font color="#808080">( horn honks )</font>

509
00:27:09,237 --> 00:27:11,278
<font color="#804040">George Lucas:</font> I was over
at Francis Coppola's,

510
00:27:11,278 --> 00:27:13,529
and "Duel"
was gonna be shown
that night,

511
00:27:13,529 --> 00:27:16,362
so I sort of snuck away
from the party

512
00:27:16,362 --> 00:27:18,821
and said,
"I wanna see this film.
I wanna see what this kid did."

513
00:27:18,821 --> 00:27:21,153
I was sort of on the fence
about Steven.

514
00:27:21,153 --> 00:27:22,946
I said,
"Knows what he's doing,

515
00:27:22,946 --> 00:27:25,487
nice, but a little
too Hollywoody for my taste."

516
00:27:25,487 --> 00:27:27,612
I saw "Amblin',"
and I thought "Amblin'"
was nice,

517
00:27:27,612 --> 00:27:31,153
but it wasn't-- you know,
it was very, very flashy.

518
00:27:31,153 --> 00:27:33,195
It was very,
very professional.

519
00:27:33,195 --> 00:27:35,362
And for the rest of us,
we were all rough-edged,

520
00:27:35,362 --> 00:27:38,153
crazy guys that were doing
much more dirty work.

521
00:27:38,153 --> 00:27:39,987
So, I thought,
"Well, I'll watch
the first half hour

522
00:27:39,987 --> 00:27:42,946
and just see
what he's up to."

523
00:27:42,946 --> 00:27:44,737
And I ended up watching
the whole thing.

524
00:27:44,737 --> 00:27:48,570
And I came down to Francis,
I said, "This guy's amazing.

525
00:27:48,570 --> 00:27:50,320
You really gotta look
at this film."

526
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,278
<font color="#808080">( cash register dings )</font>

527
00:27:56,987 --> 00:27:59,529
<font color="#804040">Edelstein:</font>
Right off the bat,
it was clear

528
00:27:59,529 --> 00:28:05,029
that no one moved the camera
like Steven Spielberg.

529
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:07,445
- <font color="#808080">( bell rings )</font>
- <font color="#808080">( billiard balls clack )</font>

530
00:28:07,445 --> 00:28:11,737
<font color="#804040">Edelstein:</font>
Other directors had
a fantastic sense of space.

531
00:28:11,737 --> 00:28:14,071
Orson Welles,
you name it,

532
00:28:14,071 --> 00:28:16,695
people who understood
composition.

533
00:28:19,695 --> 00:28:22,362
But the way
that Spielberg's camera

534
00:28:22,362 --> 00:28:24,529
moved through a shot

535
00:28:24,529 --> 00:28:27,570
and then ended up somewhere
that completely shifted

536
00:28:27,570 --> 00:28:29,946
or intensified the emotion
of the scene,

537
00:28:29,946 --> 00:28:32,779
that was just
a natural gift he had.

538
00:28:32,779 --> 00:28:35,029
Who knows
where that came from.

539
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:37,987
Who-- but it was
his own technique.

540
00:28:37,987 --> 00:28:39,946
<font color="#804040">Francis Ford Coppola:</font>
"Duel" was a composition

541
00:28:39,946 --> 00:28:42,779
that had a very elusive
and interesting theme.

542
00:28:42,779 --> 00:28:45,112
You know,
this unknown menace.

543
00:28:45,112 --> 00:28:48,821
Everyone's been on a road
and some idiot has crossed
in front of you,

544
00:28:48,821 --> 00:28:53,112
and, you know, you're tempted
to rev up fast

545
00:28:53,112 --> 00:28:54,779
and go do something
nasty to him.

546
00:28:54,779 --> 00:28:58,487
And here he took this
and made it into a parable.

547
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,654
<font color="#808080">( horn honking )</font>

548
00:29:10,904 --> 00:29:12,487
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
When ABC saw "Duel,"

549
00:29:12,487 --> 00:29:15,071
they were very excited
by what they were seeing.

550
00:29:15,071 --> 00:29:18,153
But at the very, very end
when the truck did not explode

551
00:29:18,153 --> 00:29:20,320
in a pyrotechnics display,

552
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:21,987
George Eckstein
called me and said,

553
00:29:21,987 --> 00:29:25,278
"Network's really upset
that the truck didn't blow up,

554
00:29:25,278 --> 00:29:28,654
so they're ordering us
to go back to that cliff

555
00:29:28,654 --> 00:29:30,320
and blow the truck up."

556
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,946
And I said,
"I'm not gonna do it."

557
00:29:34,195 --> 00:29:36,195
The death of the truck
is so agonizing.

558
00:29:36,195 --> 00:29:39,320
I said, "I made
that truck die slowly."

559
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,737
The oil, like blood, dripping
off the steering wheel.

560
00:29:42,737 --> 00:29:45,570
The wheel slowly rolling
to a stop.

561
00:29:45,570 --> 00:29:48,987
The fan still going,
but the truck's dying.

562
00:29:48,987 --> 00:29:50,570
I mean, it's the death
of the truck.

563
00:29:50,570 --> 00:29:52,946
That's what the audience
wants to see.

564
00:29:52,946 --> 00:29:55,529
This criminal element
paying--

565
00:29:55,529 --> 00:29:58,487
you know, paying the price
for what it did to this man.

566
00:29:58,487 --> 00:30:02,529
I wouldn't do it.
I wouldn't blow up the truck.

567
00:30:02,529 --> 00:30:06,278
<font color="#804040">Bochco:</font>
For Steven, the little screen
was an interesting canvas,

568
00:30:06,278 --> 00:30:09,362
and obviously he painted
on it very well,

569
00:30:09,362 --> 00:30:11,612
but he knew
that this screen

570
00:30:11,612 --> 00:30:15,570
simply wasn't
a large enough canvas.

571
00:30:15,570 --> 00:30:18,529
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

572
00:30:24,071 --> 00:30:25,946
<font color="#804040">Vilmos Zsigmond:</font>
He's a director who know

573
00:30:25,946 --> 00:30:28,112
how important
cinematography is,

574
00:30:28,112 --> 00:30:32,487
and the way Steven directed
"Sugarland Express"
was so fresh,

575
00:30:32,487 --> 00:30:34,737
you know,
because everything
was on location.

576
00:30:34,737 --> 00:30:39,071
And half of the movie
was inside of a police car.

577
00:30:39,071 --> 00:30:41,862
And that was
difficult thing to--

578
00:30:41,862 --> 00:30:43,737
to keep that alive
all the time.

579
00:30:43,737 --> 00:30:45,737
You know, the angles
and all that.

580
00:30:47,737 --> 00:30:49,445
I see lights,
a whole bunch.

581
00:30:49,445 --> 00:30:51,362
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
For me, directing
is camerawork,

582
00:30:51,362 --> 00:30:53,529
and so I'm very
on the front line of that.

583
00:30:53,529 --> 00:30:56,112
I've gotta set up the shot,
I've gotta block the actors,

584
00:30:56,112 --> 00:30:58,112
choreograph the movement
of the scene,

585
00:30:58,112 --> 00:30:59,779
bring the camera
into the choreography,

586
00:30:59,779 --> 00:31:01,612
figure out
when the camera stops,
how it moves,

587
00:31:01,612 --> 00:31:03,487
how far it moves,
what the composition is,

588
00:31:03,487 --> 00:31:05,946
so I've always got
my eye on the lens,
and that's what I do.

589
00:31:05,946 --> 00:31:07,779
I even pick the lens
I want.

590
00:31:07,779 --> 00:31:09,904
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

591
00:31:14,487 --> 00:31:16,529
<font color="#804040">Scorsese:</font>
His strength
is really the ability

592
00:31:16,529 --> 00:31:20,112
to be able to tell a story
in pictures instinctively.

593
00:31:20,112 --> 00:31:24,237
I sometimes watch
his pictures on TV
without the sound

594
00:31:24,237 --> 00:31:26,987
just to see the pictures.

595
00:31:26,987 --> 00:31:28,946
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

596
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:36,278
<font color="#804040">Edelstein:</font> Pauline Kael,
one of the most influential
film critics of all time,

597
00:31:36,278 --> 00:31:38,946
wrote in "The New Yorker"
that Steven Spielberg had made

598
00:31:38,946 --> 00:31:43,112
one of the most
phenomenal debuts
in the history of film.

599
00:31:43,112 --> 00:31:44,570
She compared him
to Howard Hawks

600
00:31:44,570 --> 00:31:49,612
in terms of how natural
his feel for the medium was.

601
00:31:49,612 --> 00:31:51,320
What Kael
saw in Spielberg

602
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,695
was someone
with a real movie sense,

603
00:31:54,695 --> 00:31:56,987
but she also said
she wasn't necessarily sure

604
00:31:56,987 --> 00:31:59,320
there was great depth
to go with it.

605
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,112
She didn't see a sign
of an emerging film artist

606
00:32:03,112 --> 00:32:04,654
like Martin Scorsese.

607
00:32:04,654 --> 00:32:07,695
What she saw instead
was the birth

608
00:32:07,695 --> 00:32:11,278
of a new generation
Hollywood hand.

609
00:32:11,278 --> 00:32:13,904
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

610
00:32:13,904 --> 00:32:17,195
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
Martin Scorsese,
filmmaker of "Mean Streets."

611
00:32:17,195 --> 00:32:19,570
This is Brian De Palma,
loud as ever.

612
00:32:19,570 --> 00:32:23,029
<font color="#808080">( chatter )</font>

613
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:26,153
- George and Marcia Lucas.
- Hi!

614
00:32:26,153 --> 00:32:27,821
And this is Steven.

615
00:32:27,821 --> 00:32:29,821
Get the camera arranged.
Great.

616
00:32:29,821 --> 00:32:31,695
<font color="#808080">♪ Time has come today ♪</font>

617
00:32:33,278 --> 00:32:35,445
<font color="#808080">♪ Young hearts
can go their way... ♪</font>

618
00:32:35,445 --> 00:32:38,904
<font color="#804040">Scorsese:</font>
In the mid to late '60s,
there was a major change

619
00:32:38,904 --> 00:32:40,570
in the Hollywood
studio system.

620
00:32:40,570 --> 00:32:42,487
It was a very different world
they had to serve,

621
00:32:42,487 --> 00:32:44,654
and there was
a new freedom, too.

622
00:32:44,654 --> 00:32:47,946
<font color="#804040">Brian De Palma:</font>
So, suddenly the doors were
open for young directors

623
00:32:47,946 --> 00:32:51,862
with very crazy,
seemingly original ideas.

624
00:32:51,862 --> 00:32:54,987
It's almost like, you know,
crashing a party.

625
00:32:54,987 --> 00:32:57,195
<font color="#808080">( laughs )</font>

626
00:32:57,195 --> 00:33:00,278
Yeah, people
were on the way out,
and we were going in.

627
00:33:00,278 --> 00:33:02,362
<font color="#804040">Lucas:</font>
We were absolutely obsessed
with movies,

628
00:33:02,362 --> 00:33:04,695
but we certainly
didn't look at it
as a career.

629
00:33:04,695 --> 00:33:06,695
We didn't think we were ever
gonna make any money at it.

630
00:33:06,695 --> 00:33:09,195
<font color="#804040">De Palma:</font>
There was George
and Francis,

631
00:33:09,195 --> 00:33:11,821
and then there was
Marty and me,

632
00:33:11,821 --> 00:33:14,445
and then
there was Steven.

633
00:33:14,445 --> 00:33:16,237
We came
from different places,

634
00:33:16,237 --> 00:33:20,654
but needless to say,
we were always very happy
to be together.

635
00:33:20,654 --> 00:33:24,278
When we got together,
it was like a fraternity
of directors.

636
00:33:24,278 --> 00:33:27,862
George, put the camera
on the table, on--

637
00:33:27,862 --> 00:33:29,403
I'm gonna hit a ball
into the lens,

638
00:33:29,403 --> 00:33:33,403
and you pick the camera up
at the last moment.

639
00:33:33,403 --> 00:33:35,862
When I got into the group
of the Movie Brats,

640
00:33:35,862 --> 00:33:37,946
as somebody
once called us,

641
00:33:37,946 --> 00:33:40,320
I never--
it was the first time
I felt like an insider.

642
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,362
- <font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>
- <font color="#808080">( chatter )</font>

643
00:33:47,195 --> 00:33:50,403
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
We were very, very fortunate
to be part of that time.

644
00:33:50,403 --> 00:33:52,237
The culture
was converging.

645
00:33:52,237 --> 00:33:53,487
That's Albert.

646
00:33:53,487 --> 00:33:55,779
It was filmmakers,
it was artists,

647
00:33:55,779 --> 00:33:57,695
musicians, performers.

648
00:33:57,695 --> 00:34:00,570
It was an incredible,
fertile time.

649
00:34:00,570 --> 00:34:02,695
And here we have
Amy Irving in the car.

650
00:34:02,695 --> 00:34:04,946
Brian De Palma introduced us
when she was making "Carrie."

651
00:34:04,946 --> 00:34:07,946
- That's how we first met.
<font color="#804040">- De Palma:</font> Then they started
to go out together.

652
00:34:07,946 --> 00:34:10,320
They were together
and then they were apart,

653
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,278
and then they got back
together again.

654
00:34:12,278 --> 00:34:14,821
<font color="#804040">- De Palma:</font>
Amy half dressed.
- As usual, sewing.

655
00:34:14,821 --> 00:34:17,904
Yes, sewing Steven's pants
to get him ready

656
00:34:17,904 --> 00:34:20,195
for the big day
that's coming very soon.

657
00:34:20,195 --> 00:34:22,320
- Noogies, noogies.
- <font color="#808080">( laughs )</font>

658
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:23,654
<font color="#804040">Phillips:</font>
Steven was a nerd.

659
00:34:23,654 --> 00:34:26,237
<font color="#808080">( laughs )</font>
Master of the world!

660
00:34:26,237 --> 00:34:28,362
<font color="#804040">Phillips:</font>
A loveable nerd,
but he was a nerd.

661
00:34:28,362 --> 00:34:33,987
He was not into sports
or drugs or rock 'n' roll,

662
00:34:33,987 --> 00:34:37,195
but he was passionate
and he was so enthusiastic.

663
00:34:37,195 --> 00:34:39,153
He used to love
to talk about film,

664
00:34:39,153 --> 00:34:41,445
and it was infectious,
his enthusiasm.

665
00:34:41,445 --> 00:34:43,904
- Steven had
the first car phone.
- <font color="#808080">( phone ringing )</font>

666
00:34:43,904 --> 00:34:45,112
It's ringing.

667
00:34:45,112 --> 00:34:48,445
So, Steven and I
used to go around

668
00:34:48,445 --> 00:34:52,821
and call up a girl and say,
"Well, let's get together,"
and she'd say, "Fine."

669
00:34:52,821 --> 00:34:55,821
And then of course we'd be
parked right outside her house.

670
00:34:55,821 --> 00:34:59,112
That was like--
I would say--

671
00:34:59,112 --> 00:35:01,529
it may seem
extremely silly now,

672
00:35:01,529 --> 00:35:03,904
but in those days
it was like a miracle.

673
00:35:03,904 --> 00:35:06,570
He was fun.
He was fun to be around.

674
00:35:06,570 --> 00:35:09,112
I'm Julia Child,
the French chef.

675
00:35:09,112 --> 00:35:10,737
- <font color="#808080">( gasps )</font>
- <font color="#808080">( laughs )</font>

676
00:35:10,737 --> 00:35:14,946
Today we are carving...
turkey for Thanksgiving!

677
00:35:14,946 --> 00:35:17,195
<font color="#804040">De Palma:</font>
We were all struggling

678
00:35:17,195 --> 00:35:19,529
with our first
very unsuccessful attempts

679
00:35:19,529 --> 00:35:22,403
to penetrate
the Hollywood establishment,

680
00:35:22,403 --> 00:35:24,862
but Steven was working
all the time.

681
00:35:24,862 --> 00:35:28,237
<font color="#804040">Coppola:</font>
Steven always was
a creature of the studio,

682
00:35:28,237 --> 00:35:32,987
and his thinking
and his methodology
went that direction,

683
00:35:32,987 --> 00:35:34,779
and he became
a master of it.

684
00:35:34,779 --> 00:35:37,779
He was very fortunate
that the kind of movie

685
00:35:37,779 --> 00:35:41,320
he really had a sense for
was also the kind of movie

686
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:42,946
that the audience
had a sense for.

687
00:35:42,946 --> 00:35:44,403
We are now
in the Scorsese kitchen.

688
00:35:44,403 --> 00:35:47,862
We are going to show
"Hell's Angels."

689
00:35:47,862 --> 00:35:49,862
<font color="#804040">Scorsese:</font>
We all gravitated
towards each other.

690
00:35:49,862 --> 00:35:53,029
We had that one thing
that kept us all together,
the one element.

691
00:35:53,029 --> 00:35:57,946
The one kind of a madness
and an obsession with movies.

692
00:35:57,946 --> 00:35:59,779
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
We were consulting
with each other,

693
00:35:59,779 --> 00:36:03,071
and unabashedly giving opinions
about each other's works.

694
00:36:03,071 --> 00:36:04,904
<font color="#804040">Lucas:</font>
It was very much that way,

695
00:36:04,904 --> 00:36:06,821
but we were
still competitive.

696
00:36:06,821 --> 00:36:08,570
"Come and see my movie.

697
00:36:08,570 --> 00:36:10,779
Sit down-- sit here.
The sound's best here."

698
00:36:10,779 --> 00:36:12,529
And blow
the other guy away.

699
00:36:12,529 --> 00:36:15,612
Everybody was sort of
forced to do a better job

700
00:36:15,612 --> 00:36:16,904
to impress everybody,

701
00:36:16,904 --> 00:36:18,904
because Marty had done
this movie,

702
00:36:18,904 --> 00:36:20,612
or Francis had done
that movie.

703
00:36:20,612 --> 00:36:22,529
<font color="#804040">Scorsese:</font>
They became
like the acid test.

704
00:36:22,529 --> 00:36:26,987
You get some real grounding
and you hope an honesty--

705
00:36:26,987 --> 00:36:28,570
maybe not too honest.

706
00:36:31,946 --> 00:36:33,403
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
George showed a bunch of us

707
00:36:33,403 --> 00:36:34,904
"Star Wars"
for the first time,

708
00:36:34,904 --> 00:36:36,570
and there were
no effects in yet.

709
00:36:36,570 --> 00:36:39,278
It was just World War II,
black-and-white stock footage

710
00:36:39,278 --> 00:36:42,612
intercut with blue screen
production color footage,

711
00:36:42,612 --> 00:36:43,946
and then showed
that movie to us,

712
00:36:43,946 --> 00:36:45,904
expecting us to be able
to see the movie.

713
00:36:45,904 --> 00:36:47,654
<font color="#804040">Lucas:</font>
It was basically
a children's film.

714
00:36:47,654 --> 00:36:49,403
You know, it wasn't what
the other friends of mine

715
00:36:49,403 --> 00:36:51,737
would think of as something
really worthwhile.

716
00:36:51,737 --> 00:36:54,445
Steven was the one person
who was really enthusiastic
about it

717
00:36:54,445 --> 00:36:56,529
and said, "This is gonna be
a huge smash."

718
00:36:56,529 --> 00:36:58,362
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font> But George said,
"I think it's gonna be
a disaster."

719
00:36:58,362 --> 00:37:00,112
He was very depressed,
and we all went

720
00:37:00,112 --> 00:37:02,529
to a Chinese restaurant
after the film was over,

721
00:37:02,529 --> 00:37:06,362
and Brian stood up
and started to geschrei  about,

722
00:37:06,362 --> 00:37:09,779
"What's going on around here?
I don't understand the story.

723
00:37:09,779 --> 00:37:11,946
Who are these people?
Who's the hairy guy?

724
00:37:11,946 --> 00:37:15,112
Where do they come from?
Where's the context?

725
00:37:15,112 --> 00:37:17,362
Where's the backstory?
It's driving me crazy."

726
00:37:17,362 --> 00:37:18,946
Brian went off
on George.

727
00:37:18,946 --> 00:37:20,987
And George just sat there.
He turned red.

728
00:37:20,987 --> 00:37:23,112
George, I think,
wanted to kill him.

729
00:37:23,112 --> 00:37:25,487
But out of all that,
something great came.

730
00:37:25,487 --> 00:37:28,779
Brian basically
said, "You need, like,
an old-fashioned movie

731
00:37:28,779 --> 00:37:30,904
to start the picture
with a foreword,

732
00:37:30,904 --> 00:37:33,695
and all these words
come on the screen,
and they travel up,

733
00:37:33,695 --> 00:37:36,320
and the foreword tells you
what the hell you're looking at

734
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,362
and why you're in the theater
and what the mythology is.

735
00:37:39,362 --> 00:37:41,237
Tell us
what this world is,

736
00:37:41,237 --> 00:37:43,029
and then we can enjoy
the picture."

737
00:37:43,029 --> 00:37:45,612
And that was the birth
of the famous prologue.

738
00:37:45,612 --> 00:37:48,987
<font color="#804040">De Palma:</font>
Steven came to visit me
when I was shooting "Scarface,"

739
00:37:48,987 --> 00:37:50,654
and I gave him
one of the units

740
00:37:50,654 --> 00:37:54,737
to shoot the Colombians
coming up the staircase.

741
00:37:54,737 --> 00:37:57,487
- <font color="#808080">( gun clicks )</font>
- Say hello to my little friend.

742
00:37:57,487 --> 00:37:59,821
<font color="#804040">De Palma:</font>
So, we were just shooting
people getting shot

743
00:37:59,821 --> 00:38:01,987
for a couple of weeks.

744
00:38:01,987 --> 00:38:04,570
We all had great respect
for each other's work,

745
00:38:04,570 --> 00:38:06,821
and we were just trying
to help each other out

746
00:38:06,821 --> 00:38:10,153
when we would
see things that we thought
could be improved.

747
00:38:10,153 --> 00:38:11,862
<font color="#804040">Man:</font> All right,
now I am turning the--

748
00:38:11,862 --> 00:38:13,821
the camera over
to our new director--

749
00:38:13,821 --> 00:38:17,904
That's the worst swish pan
I've ever seen.

750
00:38:17,904 --> 00:38:19,821
The worst swish pan
I've ever seen.

751
00:38:19,821 --> 00:38:21,695
He's shooting me.
I'm totally in darkness.

752
00:38:21,695 --> 00:38:23,570
How do you expect
to see anything?

753
00:38:23,570 --> 00:38:26,112
<font color="#804040">Lucas:</font> It's kind of like
what happened in Paris
in the '20s.

754
00:38:26,112 --> 00:38:29,029
You know,
you get a group of people,
they're all crazy people,

755
00:38:29,029 --> 00:38:32,570
and they're controversial
and doing the same struggle,

756
00:38:32,570 --> 00:38:34,362
but you sort of look at it
later and you say,

757
00:38:34,362 --> 00:38:35,695
"How could
that whole group--"

758
00:38:35,695 --> 00:38:38,695
the whole group
became successful

759
00:38:38,695 --> 00:38:41,529
and dominated
the film business.

760
00:38:41,529 --> 00:38:42,821
It's like,
how could that be?

761
00:38:42,821 --> 00:38:44,946
We were just
a bunch of crazy kids.

762
00:38:44,946 --> 00:38:47,403
But, you know, I think
a lot of it was really
love of film

763
00:38:47,403 --> 00:38:51,112
and all desperate to make film
any way we could.

764
00:38:52,612 --> 00:38:55,029
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

765
00:39:05,612 --> 00:39:07,445
<font color="#808080">( gasping )</font>

766
00:39:11,946 --> 00:39:13,403
Oh, my God.

767
00:39:16,570 --> 00:39:18,904
<font color="#804040">Tony Kushner:</font>
When you're watching
Steven's movies,

768
00:39:18,904 --> 00:39:22,237
you feel like
you're in the presence
of something mysterious

769
00:39:22,237 --> 00:39:25,946
and inexpressible
and poetic.

770
00:39:25,946 --> 00:39:27,862
Enjoying
very simple pleasures--

771
00:39:27,862 --> 00:39:31,320
being scared, being amused,
being dazzled.

772
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,946
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

773
00:39:45,445 --> 00:39:47,195
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I had been very influenced

774
00:39:47,195 --> 00:39:50,029
by how far Stanley Kubrick
took "2001: A Space Odyssey"

775
00:39:50,029 --> 00:39:52,987
into the world of, really,
expressionist art,

776
00:39:52,987 --> 00:39:56,737
and I wanted to take
"Close Encounters"
even further.

777
00:39:58,654 --> 00:40:01,112
I really wanted the audience
to look at the screen and say,

778
00:40:01,112 --> 00:40:03,112
"I'm having a sighting,"

779
00:40:03,112 --> 00:40:05,612
but I wasn't sure
any of this was gonna work.

780
00:40:06,946 --> 00:40:08,779
<font color="#804040">Bob Balaban:</font>
It was very risky.

781
00:40:08,779 --> 00:40:10,320
The effects
for "Close Encounters"

782
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,320
basically had never
been done before.

783
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,904
<font color="#804040">Zsigmond:</font>
He shot the people
with a motion control camera,

784
00:40:15,904 --> 00:40:18,071
making the camera move,
pan, tilt,

785
00:40:18,071 --> 00:40:19,695
whatever he want to do.

786
00:40:19,695 --> 00:40:22,612
And then that's recorded,
actually, on a tape,

787
00:40:22,612 --> 00:40:25,737
and then when Doug Trumbull,
the special effects
supervisor,

788
00:40:25,737 --> 00:40:28,695
goes back to
the post production
facilities,

789
00:40:28,695 --> 00:40:31,987
he can actually duplicate
exactly that camera move.

790
00:40:31,987 --> 00:40:35,029
<font color="#804040">Balaban:</font> So, when you
married the two images,
they were perfect,

791
00:40:35,029 --> 00:40:38,320
and you could have,
for really about
the first time,

792
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:39,821
moving special effects.

793
00:40:39,821 --> 00:40:41,862
Always before, you had
to kind of sit there quietly,

794
00:40:41,862 --> 00:40:44,112
because if you moved,
it would destroy everything.

795
00:40:44,112 --> 00:40:45,695
Everybody
is doing that today.

796
00:40:45,695 --> 00:40:48,445
They could not be doing
those effect movies

797
00:40:48,445 --> 00:40:53,029
unless Steven and Doug didn't
try all these things already.

798
00:40:55,821 --> 00:40:59,529
<font color="#804040">Phillips:</font> The stakes
were so high for Steven
on "Close Encounters."

799
00:40:59,529 --> 00:41:02,529
Columbia Pictures
was literally on the verge
of bankruptcy,

800
00:41:02,529 --> 00:41:05,654
and they bet the farm
on this movie.

801
00:41:05,654 --> 00:41:09,071
He had bankers and Hollywood
breathing down his neck

802
00:41:09,071 --> 00:41:12,112
to prove to the world
that "Jaws" wasn't a fluke.

803
00:41:12,112 --> 00:41:16,695
So, Steven had
a giant responsibility
on his shoulders,

804
00:41:16,695 --> 00:41:20,029
but he had to stay true
to what worked for him,

805
00:41:20,029 --> 00:41:21,779
or it wasn't gonna be
a good film.

806
00:41:21,779 --> 00:41:23,695
And he did.

807
00:41:23,695 --> 00:41:26,862
Win or lose,
he made the movie that
he had dreamed of making.

808
00:41:30,237 --> 00:41:32,071
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
When I was a kid,
my dad took me to watch

809
00:41:32,071 --> 00:41:35,237
the Perseid meteor shower
and introduced me to the sky

810
00:41:35,237 --> 00:41:37,570
as a place
of unspeakable wonders.

811
00:41:37,570 --> 00:41:40,904
And because
it was such a beautiful
experience for me,

812
00:41:40,904 --> 00:41:43,862
the heavens promised
if there was ever gonna be,

813
00:41:43,862 --> 00:41:46,654
you know,
a first meeting

814
00:41:46,654 --> 00:41:49,529
between an extraterrestrial
civilization and our own,

815
00:41:49,529 --> 00:41:53,195
it would only be benign
and constructive.

816
00:41:53,195 --> 00:41:54,737
It would be
a conversation.

817
00:41:54,737 --> 00:42:00,237
<font color="#808080">( high notes playing )</font>

818
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,071
<font color="#808080">( low notes playing )</font>

819
00:42:04,071 --> 00:42:05,987
<font color="#804040">Williams:</font>
When these extraterrestrials
are coming here,

820
00:42:05,987 --> 00:42:07,654
we don't know
what they can speak,

821
00:42:07,654 --> 00:42:09,362
what they understand,
or even what they see,

822
00:42:09,362 --> 00:42:11,695
so Steven had this idea
that communication

823
00:42:11,695 --> 00:42:15,779
should be a combination
of sound and light.

824
00:42:15,779 --> 00:42:18,071
<font color="#808080">( notes playing )</font>

825
00:42:20,779 --> 00:42:26,362
<font color="#808080">( notes playing )</font>

826
00:42:26,362 --> 00:42:28,529
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I had first thought
mathematics would be

827
00:42:28,529 --> 00:42:30,987
the common language
between intergalactic species,

828
00:42:30,987 --> 00:42:33,654
but I thought it would be
much more emotional

829
00:42:33,654 --> 00:42:37,112
if music was how we spoke
to one another.

830
00:42:37,112 --> 00:42:39,153
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

831
00:42:41,779 --> 00:42:44,029
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I don't search for films
consciously

832
00:42:44,029 --> 00:42:46,612
that have
a spiritual core.

833
00:42:46,612 --> 00:42:48,779
There's a spiritual part
of myself that happens

834
00:42:48,779 --> 00:42:52,445
to bleed over into the work,
and so I subconsciously,

835
00:42:52,445 --> 00:42:54,946
which is the only choice
that's important,

836
00:42:54,946 --> 00:42:59,237
will find things
that inherently have
something of a belief system

837
00:42:59,237 --> 00:43:01,946
that's beyond
our understanding,
that's a little bit out there.

838
00:43:01,946 --> 00:43:05,779
<font color="#804040">Balaban:</font>
"Close Encounters" was
much more a personal statement

839
00:43:05,779 --> 00:43:08,112
than his previous
two movies had been.

840
00:43:08,112 --> 00:43:10,320
I mean,
he wrote the script.

841
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,821
It really meant
a huge amount to Steven.

842
00:43:12,821 --> 00:43:14,946
Its genesis
was from a film

843
00:43:14,946 --> 00:43:17,362
I had actually written
and directed when I was 17.

844
00:43:17,362 --> 00:43:20,654
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

845
00:43:20,654 --> 00:43:24,153
It was the story of
man's first contact with UFOs.

846
00:43:26,112 --> 00:43:31,153
And there were actually
UFOs in "Firelight"
that I created.

847
00:43:31,153 --> 00:43:34,153
I saw a lot of movies,
and I had a whole card
catalogue in my brain

848
00:43:34,153 --> 00:43:36,071
of the things I had seen.

849
00:43:36,071 --> 00:43:38,654
And just by watching movies
with special effects in them,

850
00:43:38,654 --> 00:43:41,821
I could figure
most everything out.

851
00:43:41,821 --> 00:43:44,195
<font color="#804040">Balaban:</font>
In a way, he had lived
with "Close Encounters"

852
00:43:44,195 --> 00:43:46,904
since he was a child.

853
00:43:46,904 --> 00:43:50,403
And he had a vision
in a real palpable sense

854
00:43:50,403 --> 00:43:52,487
of what this movie
should feel like

855
00:43:52,487 --> 00:43:53,987
when you experience
the movie.

856
00:43:55,570 --> 00:43:58,654
Steven doesn't want to make
little personal movies.

857
00:43:58,654 --> 00:44:01,612
He wants to make
big personal movies.

858
00:44:01,612 --> 00:44:03,821
That's not right.
That's not right.

859
00:44:07,195 --> 00:44:08,695
That's not right.

860
00:44:10,862 --> 00:44:12,529
That's not right.

861
00:44:15,946 --> 00:44:18,071
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I identified
with this obsession

862
00:44:18,071 --> 00:44:20,445
that Richard Dreyfuss
was struggling with.

863
00:44:20,445 --> 00:44:22,112
I was Neary
in that movie.

864
00:44:23,904 --> 00:44:26,695
Something opens up
his imagination

865
00:44:26,695 --> 00:44:28,403
to go for something
that he thinks

866
00:44:28,403 --> 00:44:31,862
is going to provide
some cathartic answer.

867
00:44:31,862 --> 00:44:34,320
He had to go
through chaos

868
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,737
to reach
some kind of clarity.

869
00:44:36,737 --> 00:44:38,737
He was an artist
trying to plumb

870
00:44:38,737 --> 00:44:41,487
the depths
of his imagination.

871
00:44:41,487 --> 00:44:43,071
And so I think
in a sense

872
00:44:43,071 --> 00:44:44,862
"Close Encounters"
is maybe the most,

873
00:44:44,862 --> 00:44:46,946
at least certainly
the most personal film

874
00:44:46,946 --> 00:44:49,737
I had made
up to that point,

875
00:44:49,737 --> 00:44:52,862
because it was also about
the dissolution of a family.

876
00:45:03,112 --> 00:45:05,487
<font color="#808080">( crying )</font>

877
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,487
<font color="#804040">Nancy:</font> I remember when we moved
to Northern California
from Arizona.

878
00:45:13,487 --> 00:45:17,071
I had sensed that things
weren't going well
with my parents.

879
00:45:17,071 --> 00:45:18,904
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
And one day,
my dad just broke down,

880
00:45:18,904 --> 00:45:20,946
and I never had seen
my dad cry before.

881
00:45:20,946 --> 00:45:22,695
And I just stood there
in the kitchen,

882
00:45:22,695 --> 00:45:25,237
outraged that my father
was not a man.

883
00:45:25,237 --> 00:45:27,862
He was crying
like a little boy.

884
00:45:27,862 --> 00:45:31,320
And I started
screaming "crybaby" at him
as loud as I could.

885
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,071
Just started screaming,
"Crybaby, you crybaby,
you crybaby,"

886
00:45:34,071 --> 00:45:35,612
until they pushed me
out of the kitchen.

887
00:45:35,612 --> 00:45:38,403
Roy, promise me
that you'll go!
Please!

888
00:45:38,403 --> 00:45:42,237
You crybaby!
You crybaby!
You crybaby!

889
00:45:42,237 --> 00:45:45,153
- You crybaby! Crybaby!
- Get out of here!
Get out!

890
00:45:45,153 --> 00:45:46,737
Come on, you guys.

891
00:45:46,737 --> 00:45:47,821
- Crybaby!
- Come on.

892
00:45:47,821 --> 00:45:49,278
You crybaby!

893
00:45:49,278 --> 00:45:51,320
- Be quiet!
<font color="#804040">- Ronnie:</font> Stop it!

894
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,403
My mom went from being
completely joyful

895
00:45:55,403 --> 00:45:58,487
and celebrative
about life itself

896
00:45:58,487 --> 00:46:04,278
to being full of despair
and palpable sadness.

897
00:46:04,278 --> 00:46:07,112
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

898
00:46:12,071 --> 00:46:14,195
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I would see my mom
going into the living room

899
00:46:14,195 --> 00:46:17,821
and playing some Schumann
and crying.

900
00:46:17,821 --> 00:46:20,779
Crying to the point
she couldn't see the notes
on the paper.

901
00:46:22,779 --> 00:46:25,570
I'd sit with her
and hold her hand,
talk to her.

902
00:46:25,570 --> 00:46:28,779
She just said,
"I'm so lonely here.
I'm so sad here."

903
00:46:28,779 --> 00:46:30,654
I was going through
the same thing.

904
00:46:30,654 --> 00:46:32,195
And all I knew
was that my dad

905
00:46:32,195 --> 00:46:34,403
was fulfilled up there,
and we weren't.

906
00:46:34,403 --> 00:46:36,821
So, when it was announced
by my mom

907
00:46:36,821 --> 00:46:39,862
that my mom and my dad
were splitting up,

908
00:46:39,862 --> 00:46:41,320
I didn't know
any of the details.

909
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,779
I didn't know
why they were splitting up,

910
00:46:43,779 --> 00:46:44,946
and I didn't
for a long time.

911
00:46:44,946 --> 00:46:46,195
I didn't want to know.

912
00:46:46,195 --> 00:46:48,904
I fell in love
with somebody else.

913
00:46:48,904 --> 00:46:53,237
I was madly in love
with Bernie Adler.

914
00:46:53,237 --> 00:46:56,779
I look back, I think,
"How dare I do that?"

915
00:46:56,779 --> 00:46:58,779
But I really didn't care
at that point.

916
00:46:58,779 --> 00:47:01,695
It was all about me
and my unhappiness.

917
00:47:01,695 --> 00:47:04,654
<font color="#804040">Anne:</font>
Bernie had been
my father's best friend,

918
00:47:04,654 --> 00:47:06,237
and he was a fixture.

919
00:47:06,237 --> 00:47:07,362
It was like
having an uncle.

920
00:47:10,071 --> 00:47:13,278
<font color="#804040">Arnold:</font>
I never would tell the kids
that she divorced me.

921
00:47:13,278 --> 00:47:15,612
Instead, I let them think
I divorced her.

922
00:47:15,612 --> 00:47:16,904
<font color="#804040">Lacy:</font>
Why did you do that?

923
00:47:16,904 --> 00:47:18,904
Protecting her
'cause she's fragile.

924
00:47:20,237 --> 00:47:21,946
And she still is.

925
00:47:21,946 --> 00:47:26,403
And so, I figured I could be
hurt less than she.

926
00:47:26,403 --> 00:47:28,362
I still loved her.

927
00:47:28,362 --> 00:47:30,904
My dad and my stepfather
were best friends.

928
00:47:30,904 --> 00:47:33,195
My mom married
Dad's best friend.

929
00:47:33,195 --> 00:47:34,737
You look at the big picture,
that's shit.

930
00:47:34,737 --> 00:47:36,904
That's really bad.

931
00:47:36,904 --> 00:47:38,487
It didn't hit me
till I got older

932
00:47:38,487 --> 00:47:40,612
that that was
a really tough thing
for Dad,

933
00:47:40,612 --> 00:47:43,403
and I--
my heart bled for him.

934
00:47:43,403 --> 00:47:46,737
<font color="#804040">Anne:</font>
Steve really thought
my dad left us.

935
00:47:46,737 --> 00:47:51,278
So, during a number of years,
we blocked him out.

936
00:47:51,278 --> 00:47:53,695
And Steve, I know,
blamed him

937
00:47:53,695 --> 00:47:57,737
for the relationship
going bad.

938
00:47:57,737 --> 00:47:59,403
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
It was literally
the worst period

939
00:47:59,403 --> 00:48:00,779
of my entire life.

940
00:48:02,946 --> 00:48:05,278
I never told my dad
I was mad at him.

941
00:48:05,278 --> 00:48:06,946
We never had
angry words,

942
00:48:06,946 --> 00:48:08,946
but it was
an estrangement

943
00:48:08,946 --> 00:48:10,612
that I created,
not from my dad.

944
00:48:10,612 --> 00:48:12,946
He was seeking
a relationship with me.

945
00:48:12,946 --> 00:48:15,445
I just went off
and got lost in my work,

946
00:48:15,445 --> 00:48:17,278
the way I saw my dad
get lost in his

947
00:48:17,278 --> 00:48:19,237
all those years
of coming home late

948
00:48:19,237 --> 00:48:21,695
and working weekends
back in Phoenix and
all of that.

949
00:48:21,695 --> 00:48:24,445
I became my father.
I became a workaholic.

950
00:48:24,445 --> 00:48:28,695
And I just lost
the contact with him.

951
00:48:28,695 --> 00:48:32,487
It went on for...
15 years.

952
00:48:35,071 --> 00:48:36,612
<font color="#804040">Tom Snyder:</font>
You know, I read
about you today.

953
00:48:36,612 --> 00:48:38,403
You've done four pictures.
That's all.

954
00:48:38,403 --> 00:48:40,570
Four movies
that I can count.

955
00:48:40,570 --> 00:48:42,612
You're not Alfred Hitchcock
who's done over 50.

956
00:48:42,612 --> 00:48:43,862
You're not John Ford.

957
00:48:43,862 --> 00:48:45,320
Can you believe
that you've directed

958
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:46,987
four pictures
and you're a famous person?

959
00:48:46,987 --> 00:48:50,195
- Can you believe that?
- Can I believe that?

960
00:48:52,112 --> 00:48:53,737
Yes, I can,
as a matter of fact.

961
00:48:53,737 --> 00:48:55,946
I can believe
that I've directed
four pictures,

962
00:48:55,946 --> 00:48:58,779
although it seems like
I've been directing
much longer.

963
00:48:58,779 --> 00:49:02,071
<font color="#804040">Tom Hanks:</font>
He arrived on the scene
in such a huge manner.

964
00:49:02,071 --> 00:49:03,779
You know,
the way "Jaws" entered

965
00:49:03,779 --> 00:49:06,737
into the consciousness
of the world was huge.

966
00:49:06,737 --> 00:49:09,112
"Close Encounters"
was 10 times as huge.

967
00:49:09,112 --> 00:49:11,779
But Steven was in the process
of inventing himself.

968
00:49:11,779 --> 00:49:14,320
I don't think
he himself knew

969
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,487
where this road
was gonna take him.

970
00:49:16,487 --> 00:49:18,821
I'm sure,
like everybody else
at that age,

971
00:49:18,821 --> 00:49:21,904
he was wondering
was he really as good
as he thought he was.

972
00:49:21,904 --> 00:49:24,362
And turned out he was.

973
00:49:24,362 --> 00:49:25,987
<font color="#804040">Scorsese:</font>
Once you do "Jaws"

974
00:49:25,987 --> 00:49:28,612
and then "Close Encounters,"
well, where do you go?

975
00:49:28,612 --> 00:49:31,153
The bar, as they say,
is set a certain level.

976
00:49:31,153 --> 00:49:32,362
And what do you do?

977
00:49:32,362 --> 00:49:33,737
You get yourself
into shape

978
00:49:33,737 --> 00:49:35,779
and you jump
over the bar again.

979
00:49:35,779 --> 00:49:37,445
<font color="#808080">( crickets chirping )</font>

980
00:49:37,445 --> 00:49:40,320
- <font color="#808080">( rustling )</font>
- <font color="#808080">( heavy breathing )</font>

981
00:49:48,946 --> 00:49:51,487
<font color="#808080">( screaming )</font>

982
00:49:51,487 --> 00:49:54,071
<font color="#808080">( screams )</font>

983
00:49:54,071 --> 00:49:58,320
- <font color="#808080">( rustling )</font>
- <font color="#808080">( both screaming )</font>

984
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,612
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
Originally,
my idea for "E.T."

985
00:50:00,612 --> 00:50:03,737
didn't include
an extraterrestrial.

986
00:50:03,737 --> 00:50:07,946
It was gonna be
about how a divorce
affects childhood

987
00:50:07,946 --> 00:50:11,278
and how it really
kind of traumatizes children.

988
00:50:15,362 --> 00:50:19,362
- Dad's shirt.
- Yeah.

989
00:50:19,362 --> 00:50:24,071
<font color="#808080">( chuckles )</font>
Remember when he used to
take us out to the ball games

990
00:50:24,071 --> 00:50:25,946
and take us
to the movies,

991
00:50:25,946 --> 00:50:28,320
and we'd have
popcorn fights?

992
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,195
So, the overriding theme
was gonna be about

993
00:50:32,195 --> 00:50:34,612
how do you fill the heart
of a lonely child?

994
00:50:34,612 --> 00:50:38,946
Me, human.
Boy.

995
00:50:38,946 --> 00:50:42,779
- Elliott.
<font color="#804040">- Spielberg:</font> And what
extraordinary event

996
00:50:42,779 --> 00:50:44,779
would it take
to fill Elliott's heart

997
00:50:44,779 --> 00:50:47,112
after losing his dad?

998
00:50:47,112 --> 00:50:49,946
It would take something
as extraordinary

999
00:50:49,946 --> 00:50:51,904
as an extraterrestrial
coming into his life.

1000
00:50:51,904 --> 00:50:54,237
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

1001
00:51:05,445 --> 00:51:07,278
<font color="#804040">Drew Barrymore:</font>
Steven, as a filmmaker,

1002
00:51:07,278 --> 00:51:12,362
can create otherworldly,
almost impossible scenarios,

1003
00:51:12,362 --> 00:51:15,112
but do it
in a suburban setting

1004
00:51:15,112 --> 00:51:17,987
and with real families
and real people,

1005
00:51:17,987 --> 00:51:22,570
and so, you are able to go
outer worldly, outer space,

1006
00:51:22,570 --> 00:51:26,112
extraterrestrial,
implausible scenario,

1007
00:51:26,112 --> 00:51:29,695
because it's grounded
in human beings

1008
00:51:29,695 --> 00:51:31,487
and human stories.

1009
00:51:31,487 --> 00:51:34,153
Okay, he's a man
from outer space

1010
00:51:34,153 --> 00:51:36,695
and we're taking him
to his spaceship.

1011
00:51:36,695 --> 00:51:41,570
- Well, can't he just beam up?
- This is reality, Greg.

1012
00:51:41,570 --> 00:51:44,821
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
"E.T." was a suburban
American story,

1013
00:51:44,821 --> 00:51:47,029
and suburbia
was all I knew
growing up.

1014
00:51:47,029 --> 00:51:50,112
So, the movies I made
in the '70s, the '80s,

1015
00:51:50,112 --> 00:51:52,654
were a reflection
of what I knew.

1016
00:51:52,654 --> 00:51:54,445
My main religion
was suburbia.

1017
00:51:54,445 --> 00:51:56,529
You know, the families
all getting together,

1018
00:51:56,529 --> 00:51:59,529
nobody gets divorced,
nobody's unhappy
with each other.

1019
00:51:59,529 --> 00:52:00,946
'Course, it's all false.

1020
00:52:00,946 --> 00:52:03,153
Maybe you just
probably imagined it...

1021
00:52:03,153 --> 00:52:06,904
- I couldn't have imagined it.
- Maybe it was a pervert or
deformed kid or something.

1022
00:52:06,904 --> 00:52:08,695
A deformed kid.

1023
00:52:08,695 --> 00:52:11,362
Maybe an elf
or a leprechaun.

1024
00:52:11,362 --> 00:52:13,529
It was nothing like that,
penis breath!

1025
00:52:13,529 --> 00:52:15,821
Elliott!
<font color="#808080">( laughs )</font>

1026
00:52:15,821 --> 00:52:17,029
Sit down.

1027
00:52:19,362 --> 00:52:22,695
- <font color="#808080">( clears throat )</font>
- Dad would believe me.

1028
00:52:23,821 --> 00:52:25,195
<font color="#808080">( sighs )</font>

1029
00:52:27,737 --> 00:52:31,445
Maybe you ought
to call your father
and tell him about it.

1030
00:52:31,445 --> 00:52:33,987
I can't.
He's in Mexico
with Sally.

1031
00:52:41,821 --> 00:52:44,529
Where's Mexico?

1032
00:52:44,529 --> 00:52:47,071
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I saw my childhood
through this family

1033
00:52:47,071 --> 00:52:50,612
and those young,
wonderful actors.

1034
00:52:50,612 --> 00:52:52,654
<font color="#804040">Peter Coyote:</font>
When Steven works
with children,

1035
00:52:52,654 --> 00:52:55,987
he brings a kind of
"let's play" feeling.

1036
00:52:55,987 --> 00:52:58,737
He'd have to pull you back.
Grab on to this, right here.

1037
00:52:58,737 --> 00:53:02,071
<font color="#804040">Coyote:</font>
It's not like somebody
talking baby talk to kids.

1038
00:53:02,071 --> 00:53:05,029
It's just he's really
communicating to them.

1039
00:53:05,029 --> 00:53:08,737
And it's sort of like
direct transmission.

1040
00:53:08,737 --> 00:53:13,237
Now he suddenly turns to you,
his eyes come open.

1041
00:53:14,987 --> 00:53:17,278
<font color="#808080">( screams, panting )</font>

1042
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,737
Do that to E.T.
Give that joyful scream
to E.T.

1043
00:53:21,737 --> 00:53:24,737
Do the line again,
really excited about
"Are they coming?"

1044
00:53:24,737 --> 00:53:26,821
Breathing, breathing,
breathing, breathing,
breathing.

1045
00:53:26,821 --> 00:53:28,487
- Work yourself up.
- Does this mean they're coming?

1046
00:53:28,487 --> 00:53:30,445
No, work
yourself up even more.
Work yourself up.

1047
00:53:30,445 --> 00:53:33,237
<font color="#808080">( panting )</font>
Does this mean
they're coming?

1048
00:53:33,237 --> 00:53:35,153
Bigger, bigger.
"Does this mean
they're coming?"

1049
00:53:35,153 --> 00:53:37,362
Does this mean
they're coming?

1050
00:53:37,362 --> 00:53:39,445
- Yes!
- <font color="#808080">( screams )</font>

1051
00:53:39,445 --> 00:53:42,904
<font color="#804040">Melissa Mathison:</font>
He had  to be a bit
of a father, a bit of a pal,

1052
00:53:42,904 --> 00:53:46,904
but he was,
more than anything,
an observer of them,

1053
00:53:46,904 --> 00:53:48,821
and I think that was
a lot of fun for him.

1054
00:53:48,821 --> 00:53:51,237
- All of the kids
were fun for him.
- You gotta take me seriously.

1055
00:53:51,237 --> 00:53:54,278
- This is Halloween, folks.
Hello, my love.
- Hi, Granny.

1056
00:53:54,278 --> 00:53:57,237
Wait a sec.
Drew, this is for you,
my darling.

1057
00:53:57,237 --> 00:54:01,445
- Your apple.
<font color="#804040">- Spielberg:</font> I wanted to shoot
"E.T." in continuity.

1058
00:54:01,445 --> 00:54:04,529
It gives the kids
a context for the work
they're doing that day,

1059
00:54:04,529 --> 00:54:07,821
'cause they know
that tomorrow will be
tomorrow in the script

1060
00:54:07,821 --> 00:54:10,487
and yesterday was
yesterday in the script.

1061
00:54:10,487 --> 00:54:12,237
So, for young kids,

1062
00:54:12,237 --> 00:54:15,654
it gives them
a real confidence
that they're living a life

1063
00:54:15,654 --> 00:54:17,695
and they're living
a story's life.

1064
00:54:17,695 --> 00:54:20,195
Now they put the machine
on his chest,

1065
00:54:20,195 --> 00:54:23,529
and they're gonna give him
a shock to try to make him
come back.

1066
00:54:23,529 --> 00:54:25,779
And when they give him
the shock,

1067
00:54:25,779 --> 00:54:29,612
it's very loud
and it makes you jump
and cry even more.

1068
00:54:29,612 --> 00:54:31,320
They're putting it
on his chest now,

1069
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,654
and he presses the button,
and it goes, "Pow!"

1070
00:54:34,654 --> 00:54:36,612
- <font color="#808080">( crying )</font>
- Are you okay, honey?

1071
00:54:36,612 --> 00:54:38,946
Huh? Are you okay?

1072
00:54:38,946 --> 00:54:41,862
Let's see.
Wipe your doll's face, too.

1073
00:54:41,862 --> 00:54:44,195
Thank you.
Thank you.

1074
00:54:44,195 --> 00:54:46,946
- <font color="#808080">( crying )</font>
- Okay. Oh.

1075
00:54:46,946 --> 00:54:51,445
For many years I wondered
about the universal appeal
of this movie,

1076
00:54:51,445 --> 00:54:53,779
and one day,
it hit me.

1077
00:54:53,779 --> 00:54:56,445
There are no two humans
on Earth

1078
00:54:56,445 --> 00:54:58,695
that are father apart

1079
00:54:58,695 --> 00:55:02,029
than those humans
and that alien creature.

1080
00:55:02,029 --> 00:55:03,529
Come.

1081
00:55:07,737 --> 00:55:09,320
Stay.

1082
00:55:12,112 --> 00:55:14,278
<font color="#804040">Coyote:</font>
And if Elliott,

1083
00:55:14,278 --> 00:55:16,862
and the mother,
and the little girl,

1084
00:55:16,862 --> 00:55:22,904
and the scientist,
could all love and empathize

1085
00:55:22,904 --> 00:55:25,320
and make
a rapprochement

1086
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,487
and a rapport
with this creature,

1087
00:55:28,487 --> 00:55:32,029
so, too, can any two humans
on Earth,

1088
00:55:32,029 --> 00:55:36,946
and I think that was
a subtext that bubbled up
through the film

1089
00:55:36,946 --> 00:55:38,737
and must have
touched something,

1090
00:55:38,737 --> 00:55:40,737
because you don't
get many films

1091
00:55:40,737 --> 00:55:43,946
that are universally
loved and appreciated

1092
00:55:43,946 --> 00:55:45,779
40 years later.

1093
00:55:46,946 --> 00:55:49,112
And it spoke
to something.

1094
00:55:49,112 --> 00:55:52,946
Some desire to be able
to reach across boundaries

1095
00:55:52,946 --> 00:55:54,904
and touch other people.

1096
00:55:56,821 --> 00:56:02,445
I'll be right here.

1097
00:56:12,112 --> 00:56:14,862
Bye.

1098
00:56:14,862 --> 00:56:17,779
<font color="#804040">Leonardo DiCaprio:</font>
It's a very difficult
balance as a director

1099
00:56:17,779 --> 00:56:21,904
to push a young child
to do a dramatic sequence,

1100
00:56:21,904 --> 00:56:25,487
because you're obviously
manipulating them
to some capacity.

1101
00:56:28,904 --> 00:56:32,237
But Steven knew
how to take them as a director

1102
00:56:32,237 --> 00:56:35,362
into some
of these darker places

1103
00:56:35,362 --> 00:56:38,403
while handling them
with kid gloves.

1104
00:56:38,403 --> 00:56:40,278
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

1105
00:56:47,654 --> 00:56:50,153
<font color="#804040">A.O. Scott:</font>
The children
in Spielberg's world

1106
00:56:50,153 --> 00:56:52,362
may be vulnerable,
may be unhappy,

1107
00:56:52,362 --> 00:56:55,487
but they're also very--
they're very powerful

1108
00:56:55,487 --> 00:56:56,987
and they're heroic.

1109
00:56:56,987 --> 00:57:00,487
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

1110
00:57:02,695 --> 00:57:04,737
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I think all of my movies
that have dealt

1111
00:57:04,737 --> 00:57:06,445
with young people
and their stories

1112
00:57:06,445 --> 00:57:09,862
are about the importance
of empowering these children

1113
00:57:09,862 --> 00:57:12,112
to take control
of the story,

1114
00:57:12,112 --> 00:57:13,821
at least take control
of their lives.

1115
00:57:15,862 --> 00:57:16,946
<font color="#808080">( yelps )</font>

1116
00:57:19,029 --> 00:57:22,237
<font color="#804040">Kathleen Kennedy:</font>
Steven intuitively
looks at the world

1117
00:57:22,237 --> 00:57:24,362
through
a lens of innocence,

1118
00:57:24,362 --> 00:57:26,904
and children
do that naturally.

1119
00:57:26,904 --> 00:57:30,362
So, it became
the kind of go-to lens

1120
00:57:30,362 --> 00:57:33,987
that he wanted to use
for his storytelling.

1121
00:57:33,987 --> 00:57:36,153
<font color="#804040">George Negus:</font>
One of the most interesting
things that I've read about you

1122
00:57:36,153 --> 00:57:39,029
was a headline which said,
"Steven Spielberg is making

1123
00:57:39,029 --> 00:57:42,987
movies and a fortune
while he's still growing up.

1124
00:57:42,987 --> 00:57:44,695
He's really
just a big kid."

1125
00:57:44,695 --> 00:57:47,112
Is that how you see yourself?
Is that a reasonable comment?

1126
00:57:47,112 --> 00:57:51,112
I think it's reasonable.
You have to understand--
how do you define a big kid?

1127
00:57:51,112 --> 00:57:54,029
A responsible big kid,
or just an irresponsible
big kid?

1128
00:57:54,029 --> 00:57:56,695
Because I think
you have to be responsible,

1129
00:57:56,695 --> 00:57:59,153
but you don't want
to lose the child in you,

1130
00:57:59,153 --> 00:58:01,112
because that's
what keeps you young,

1131
00:58:01,112 --> 00:58:03,153
and that's what
keeps you in touch,

1132
00:58:03,153 --> 00:58:06,071
and keeps a smile
on your face.

1133
00:58:06,071 --> 00:58:07,862
I don't quite know

1134
00:58:07,862 --> 00:58:10,487
what it would be like
to become an adult.

1135
00:58:12,737 --> 00:58:14,445
- Oh...
- My...

1136
00:58:14,445 --> 00:58:15,403
God!

1137
00:58:15,403 --> 00:58:17,529
<font color="#808080">( both screaming )</font>

1138
00:58:19,029 --> 00:58:20,821
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I was feeling my oats

1139
00:58:20,821 --> 00:58:23,071
after both "Jaws"
and "Close Encounters."

1140
00:58:23,071 --> 00:58:25,904
And so I thought,
"I can do a comedy."
Why not?

1141
00:58:25,904 --> 00:58:29,071
If I did those two movies,
why can't I do anything?

1142
00:58:29,071 --> 00:58:30,487
And I have
a sense of humor.

1143
00:58:30,487 --> 00:58:32,487
I go to movies and I laugh
when they're funny.

1144
00:58:32,487 --> 00:58:34,529
Why not tackle a comedy?

1145
00:58:34,529 --> 00:58:37,570
I felt pretty invulnerable
at that time.

1146
00:58:37,570 --> 00:58:39,362
I can assure you

1147
00:58:39,362 --> 00:58:42,112
there will be
no bombs dropped here.

1148
00:58:42,112 --> 00:58:43,862
Bob Zemeckis and Bob Gale
wrote the script,

1149
00:58:43,862 --> 00:58:45,278
and it was lean and mean.

1150
00:58:45,278 --> 00:58:47,237
I'm the one
that stretched the humor

1151
00:58:47,237 --> 00:58:50,904
and the budget
to its breaking point.

1152
00:58:50,904 --> 00:58:54,779
To me, it was an excuse
to just blow a bunch of shit up

1153
00:58:54,779 --> 00:58:57,987
and try to get
an audience to laugh.

1154
00:58:57,987 --> 00:59:01,695
But it was like I committed
a war crime by making "1941."

1155
00:59:01,695 --> 00:59:03,904
Everyone was
eviscerating it.

1156
00:59:03,904 --> 00:59:06,946
I was really devastated.

1157
00:59:06,946 --> 00:59:10,821
Just that feeling of failure,
that cold emptiness,

1158
00:59:10,821 --> 00:59:12,779
where every reminder
of the movie,

1159
00:59:12,779 --> 00:59:14,946
you get that sick feeling
in the center of your stomach,

1160
00:59:14,946 --> 00:59:18,278
and you just
want to go dig a hole
and stick your head in it.

1161
00:59:18,278 --> 00:59:22,278
I mean, for the next year,
I put my head in a lot of holes.

1162
00:59:22,278 --> 00:59:25,445
And my friend George Lucas
came to the rescue.

1163
00:59:25,445 --> 00:59:27,987
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

1164
00:59:34,946 --> 00:59:37,153
George said,
"What are you doing next?"

1165
00:59:37,153 --> 00:59:40,362
<font color="#804040">Lucas:</font> And Steven
said that he really wanted
to do a James Bond film.

1166
00:59:40,362 --> 00:59:42,862
And George said, "I have
something much better
than James Bond."

1167
00:59:42,862 --> 00:59:44,570
<font color="#804040">Lucas:</font>
It's about an archeologist

1168
00:59:44,570 --> 00:59:46,695
and he goes hunting
for supernatural artifacts.

1169
00:59:46,695 --> 00:59:48,779
And Steven said,
"I love it.

1170
00:59:48,779 --> 00:59:50,362
Let's do it."

1171
00:59:50,362 --> 00:59:53,487
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
He's not a stock,
standard hero.

1172
00:59:53,487 --> 00:59:55,654
He's not one of these
"just add water"

1173
00:59:55,654 --> 00:59:57,987
and he'll grow into
the hero of your dreams.

1174
00:59:57,987 --> 01:00:00,029
There's a human being
under all of that.

1175
01:00:00,029 --> 01:00:03,237
That's what made Indiana Jones
accessible to audiences.

1176
01:00:03,237 --> 01:00:06,612
- I think
they're trying to kill us.
- I know, Dad!

1177
01:00:06,612 --> 01:00:09,029
Well, it's a new
experience for me.

1178
01:00:09,029 --> 01:00:11,821
- <font color="#808080">( plane engine buzzing )</font>
- Happens to me all the time.

1179
01:00:13,071 --> 01:00:15,153
<font color="#808080">( men yelling )</font>

1180
01:00:18,071 --> 01:00:20,695
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

1181
01:00:27,737 --> 01:00:31,029
<font color="#804040">Lucas:</font> It's an action-adventure
movie where every reel
is a cliffhanger.

1182
01:00:31,029 --> 01:00:34,029
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
Just pure escapist
entertainment.

1183
01:00:36,237 --> 01:00:38,862
<font color="#804040">Lucas:</font>
It was gonna be
an all-out "B" movie,

1184
01:00:38,862 --> 01:00:42,529
and "B" movies are fun
because they don't take
themselves that seriously.

1185
01:00:42,529 --> 01:00:44,029
You do them quick.
You do them dirty.

1186
01:00:44,029 --> 01:00:45,862
You cheat on everything
you possibly can

1187
01:00:45,862 --> 01:00:47,445
to save as much money
as you possibly can,

1188
01:00:47,445 --> 01:00:49,071
and you don't worry
about the fact

1189
01:00:49,071 --> 01:00:50,987
that it's not gonna be
"Lawrence of Arabia."

1190
01:00:59,737 --> 01:01:01,654
<font color="#808080">( crowd cheering )</font>

1191
01:01:01,654 --> 01:01:04,278
<font color="#804040">Lucas:</font>
We took it to the studios,
and what I didn't realize

1192
01:01:04,278 --> 01:01:07,237
was that Steven didn't have
that great a reputation,

1193
01:01:07,237 --> 01:01:10,029
because he was always going
over budget and over schedule.

1194
01:01:10,029 --> 01:01:13,029
So, every studio said no.

1195
01:01:13,029 --> 01:01:15,737
And some of them even said,
"You know, if you can get
a different director,

1196
01:01:15,737 --> 01:01:19,529
we'll do it, but Steven
can't make that film
for $20 million."

1197
01:01:19,529 --> 01:01:23,071
So, Steven said,
"I promise you, I will not
betray you.

1198
01:01:23,071 --> 01:01:25,487
If it's $20 million,
we will make it for
$20 million."

1199
01:01:25,487 --> 01:01:28,071
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
My experience
on three cost overruns,

1200
01:01:28,071 --> 01:01:29,737
"Jaws,"
"Close Encounters," "'41,"

1201
01:01:29,737 --> 01:01:31,529
taught me how to be
more economical

1202
01:01:31,529 --> 01:01:34,112
and benefited
"Raiders" immeasurably.

1203
01:01:34,112 --> 01:01:37,278
<font color="#804040">Lucas:</font> He had something
to prove, but he also didn't
wanna let me down, his friend.

1204
01:01:37,278 --> 01:01:40,529
You know, it's like,
it wasn't a studio,
it was us.

1205
01:01:40,529 --> 01:01:43,862
Friday night.
If we don't get this,
we don't get the shot.

1206
01:01:43,862 --> 01:01:46,904
If we don't get the shot,
we don't get the movie.

1207
01:01:46,904 --> 01:01:49,821
If they don't
get the movie,
we're all up the creek.

1208
01:01:49,821 --> 01:01:51,612
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
George said, "Look,
if you direct this,

1209
01:01:51,612 --> 01:01:53,320
you have to shake my hand
right now and promise

1210
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,946
if it's a big hit,
you gotta direct two more."

1211
01:01:55,946 --> 01:01:58,112
And it was
a great collaboration.

1212
01:01:58,112 --> 01:01:59,695
Dad!

1213
01:01:59,695 --> 01:02:01,071
- What? What?
- Dad!

1214
01:02:01,071 --> 01:02:02,320
- Dad!
- What?

1215
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,487
- Head for the fireplace.
- Oh.

1216
01:02:04,487 --> 01:02:08,278
<font color="#804040">Harrison Ford:</font>
The "Indiana Jones" movies
were always more about movies

1217
01:02:08,278 --> 01:02:10,112
than they were
about anything else.

1218
01:02:10,112 --> 01:02:12,987
They followed
certain film formulas,

1219
01:02:12,987 --> 01:02:15,946
which freed them
to do silly stuff.

1220
01:02:15,946 --> 01:02:17,821
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

1221
01:02:24,153 --> 01:02:26,654
<font color="#804040">Tom Stoppard:</font>
There was something
which I simply adored

1222
01:02:26,654 --> 01:02:28,237
in "Indiana Jones."

1223
01:02:28,237 --> 01:02:30,362
When Harrison
had fallen over a cliff

1224
01:02:30,362 --> 01:02:33,862
and his friends
thought he was dead
and they were peering down,

1225
01:02:33,862 --> 01:02:36,445
and Harrison had come up
without his hat,

1226
01:02:36,445 --> 01:02:39,862
because he'd fallen over
a cliff, for heaven's sake,

1227
01:02:39,862 --> 01:02:44,320
and a mysterious breeze
blows the hat into frame.
<font color="#808080">( chuckles )</font>

1228
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,904
<font color="#804040">Ford:</font>
These movies are clearly
made for an audience.

1229
01:02:47,904 --> 01:02:49,946
They're made
for the filmgoer.

1230
01:02:49,946 --> 01:02:52,987
They're meant
for the pure joy
of entertainment.

1231
01:02:52,987 --> 01:02:56,112
Which doesn't mean
that they can't be
emotionally involving,

1232
01:02:56,112 --> 01:02:59,570
which doesn't mean
they can't be smart
from time to time.

1233
01:02:59,570 --> 01:03:01,612
<font color="#808080">( wind gusting )</font>

1234
01:03:06,487 --> 01:03:11,320
<font color="#804040">Ford:</font>
But they have to be
satisfying entertainment.

1235
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,570
And Steven and George
have figured out

1236
01:03:13,570 --> 01:03:17,153
how to use the engine
of filmmaking

1237
01:03:17,153 --> 01:03:19,529
to satisfy an audience
in a way

1238
01:03:19,529 --> 01:03:23,029
not so many directors
or producers have.

1239
01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:25,029
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

1240
01:03:25,029 --> 01:03:27,278
<font color="#804040">Hugh Downs:</font>
In the century-long history
of motion pictures,

1241
01:03:27,278 --> 01:03:29,821
there has been
one director, just one,

1242
01:03:29,821 --> 01:03:33,195
whose movies have earned
a total of a billion dollars--

1243
01:03:33,195 --> 01:03:35,195
Steven Spielberg.

1244
01:03:35,195 --> 01:03:37,362
<font color="#804040">Walter Parkes:</font>
Steven is arguably
the most commercial director

1245
01:03:37,362 --> 01:03:39,112
in the history
of motion pictures,

1246
01:03:39,112 --> 01:03:41,529
and I think it's because
he has a deep understanding

1247
01:03:41,529 --> 01:03:43,445
of how the language
of cinema

1248
01:03:43,445 --> 01:03:45,904
elicits an emotional reaction
in an audience.

1249
01:03:45,904 --> 01:03:50,737
And there's no question
that the idea of making movies
that became phenomenons

1250
01:03:50,737 --> 01:03:53,029
was extremely exciting
for Steven.

1251
01:03:53,029 --> 01:03:54,987
But it brought
a lot of mixed results.

1252
01:03:54,987 --> 01:03:56,529
There were people
that hated him,

1253
01:03:56,529 --> 01:03:58,862
people that blamed him
for ruining the movies.

1254
01:03:58,862 --> 01:04:01,403
William Goldman
had written specifically

1255
01:04:01,403 --> 01:04:03,071
that the blockbuster
and Steven

1256
01:04:03,071 --> 01:04:05,403
and George Lucas
had destroyed Hollywood.

1257
01:04:05,403 --> 01:04:08,362
<font color="#804040">Edelstein:</font>
Some people saw Spielberg
as a repressive force,

1258
01:04:08,362 --> 01:04:12,029
that he was bringing in
a kind of empty escapism

1259
01:04:12,029 --> 01:04:14,821
that was going to take film
in another direction.

1260
01:04:14,821 --> 01:04:17,071
And certainly
with the marketing executives

1261
01:04:17,071 --> 01:04:19,529
who moved
into the studios

1262
01:04:19,529 --> 01:04:21,737
in the late '70s
and the early '80s,

1263
01:04:21,737 --> 01:04:25,153
it was clear
that what they saw
were dollar signs.

1264
01:04:25,153 --> 01:04:27,320
But I wouldn't blame
Spielberg for that.

1265
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,862
Go back to the first review
by Pauline Kael.

1266
01:04:29,862 --> 01:04:32,570
She said he was
a great popular entertainer,

1267
01:04:32,570 --> 01:04:36,029
that he had a feel
for what audiences
wanted to see.

1268
01:04:36,029 --> 01:04:38,195
Why should anybody
apologize for that?

1269
01:04:38,195 --> 01:04:39,654
Let me get you
to react to something

1270
01:04:39,654 --> 01:04:41,946
that one of your peers said,
another director.

1271
01:04:41,946 --> 01:04:43,695
"Steven Spielberg
can't be compared

1272
01:04:43,695 --> 01:04:46,403
with people
like Mike Nichols
and Barry Levinson.

1273
01:04:46,403 --> 01:04:48,987
There is a place
for mass entertainment,

1274
01:04:48,987 --> 01:04:50,862
but it shouldn't
be confused

1275
01:04:50,862 --> 01:04:55,403
with art or quality,
award-winning filmmaking."

1276
01:04:55,403 --> 01:04:58,029
Sometimes I think
that statements like that

1277
01:04:58,029 --> 01:04:59,987
are pretentious
in themselves,

1278
01:04:59,987 --> 01:05:02,570
because it sort of says
that, you know,

1279
01:05:02,570 --> 01:05:06,237
art is serious
and art can't be--
can't move you.

1280
01:05:06,237 --> 01:05:11,112
Art can't be
on a bicycle with E.T.
and fly across the moon,

1281
01:05:11,112 --> 01:05:12,821
that that can't be art.

1282
01:05:12,821 --> 01:05:15,320
<font color="#804040">Scott:</font>
If you're making
the kinds of movies

1283
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,779
that make the kinds of money
that his movies do,

1284
01:05:17,779 --> 01:05:20,278
and if you're making
franchise entertainment

1285
01:05:20,278 --> 01:05:22,946
or just something that
appeals to a lot of people

1286
01:05:22,946 --> 01:05:26,112
and is unapologetically
mainstream entertainment,

1287
01:05:26,112 --> 01:05:30,403
then there's a little bit
of, I think, suspicion.

1288
01:05:30,403 --> 01:05:33,987
You know, how can
we take you seriously
as an artist?

1289
01:05:33,987 --> 01:05:36,821
Come on, girl,
'cause I'm waiting for you.

1290
01:05:36,821 --> 01:05:38,362
<font color="#808080">( chuckles )</font>

1291
01:05:42,071 --> 01:05:45,153
You cut me
and I'll kill you.

1292
01:05:45,153 --> 01:05:49,403
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I was looking for a different
perception of myself.

1293
01:05:49,403 --> 01:05:51,278
And if I didn't want
to consciously

1294
01:05:51,278 --> 01:05:53,445
make a departure
and prove something,

1295
01:05:53,445 --> 01:05:55,821
not just to myself
but to everyone else,

1296
01:05:55,821 --> 01:05:58,695
I might not have chosen
"Color Purple" as my next movie.

1297
01:05:58,695 --> 01:06:01,112
But it was my first
really mature film,

1298
01:06:01,112 --> 01:06:05,570
which took on, you know,
substantive, humanistic
subject matter.

1299
01:06:05,570 --> 01:06:09,695
I was turning 40
and I was looking at life
perhaps less optimistically.

1300
01:06:09,695 --> 01:06:12,153
And so, I knew
this was gonna be
a very sobering journey,

1301
01:06:12,153 --> 01:06:13,987
and I was willing
to take it on.

1302
01:06:13,987 --> 01:06:17,029
All my life
I had to fight.

1303
01:06:17,029 --> 01:06:21,029
I had to fight my daddy,
I had to fight my uncles,

1304
01:06:21,029 --> 01:06:23,612
I had to fight
my brothers.

1305
01:06:23,612 --> 01:06:26,612
A girl child ain't safe
in a family of mens,

1306
01:06:26,612 --> 01:06:30,695
but I ain't never thought
I had to fight in my own house!

1307
01:06:32,153 --> 01:06:34,779
I loves Harpo.

1308
01:06:34,779 --> 01:06:37,821
God knows I do,

1309
01:06:37,821 --> 01:06:42,612
but I'll kill him dead
before I let him beat me.

1310
01:06:42,612 --> 01:06:45,821
<font color="#804040">Oprah Winfrey:</font>
For Steven to even
take on this material

1311
01:06:45,821 --> 01:06:47,737
was a really big deal,

1312
01:06:47,737 --> 01:06:49,737
because you're messing
in some territory

1313
01:06:49,737 --> 01:06:52,821
where if you get it wrong,
then you get a lot
of people upset.

1314
01:06:52,821 --> 01:06:56,695
He wanted to create not only
an African-American worldview,

1315
01:06:56,695 --> 01:06:59,654
but a matriarchal world

1316
01:06:59,654 --> 01:07:04,737
in the presence
of patriarchal repression
and violence.

1317
01:07:04,737 --> 01:07:07,071
And I truly believe
that he wanted

1318
01:07:07,071 --> 01:07:10,278
to stretch himself in a way
that he never had before.

1319
01:07:10,278 --> 01:07:12,612
<font color="#804040">Hoberman:</font>
And he does push himself,

1320
01:07:12,612 --> 01:07:15,570
but he's not gonna push
himself too far in advance--

1321
01:07:15,570 --> 01:07:18,862
the audience
or maybe his own,

1322
01:07:18,862 --> 01:07:20,862
you know,
core inclination.

1323
01:07:20,862 --> 01:07:22,946
He don't ever ask me
how I feel.

1324
01:07:22,946 --> 01:07:26,445
Just never asked me
nothing about myself.

1325
01:07:26,445 --> 01:07:29,445
Just climb on top of me,
do his business.

1326
01:07:29,445 --> 01:07:32,487
"Do his business"?
Do his bu--

1327
01:07:32,487 --> 01:07:34,362
why, Miss Celie,
you sound like

1328
01:07:34,362 --> 01:07:38,071
he going to the toilet
on you.

1329
01:07:38,071 --> 01:07:39,862
That's what it feel like.

1330
01:07:39,862 --> 01:07:42,112
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I got in trouble
with several critics

1331
01:07:42,112 --> 01:07:44,320
who didn't like
that I shied away

1332
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,695
from the love story
between Shug and Celie.

1333
01:07:46,695 --> 01:07:51,403
And the scene
where Shug Avery shows Celie,
with a mirror, her vagina,

1334
01:07:51,403 --> 01:07:54,695
that that did not
go into the movie,

1335
01:07:54,695 --> 01:07:56,612
which would've
really changed

1336
01:07:56,612 --> 01:08:00,821
the entire nature and tone
of the film.

1337
01:08:00,821 --> 01:08:04,445
I just didn't go
for the full monty
the way the book did.

1338
01:08:04,445 --> 01:08:08,737
I might've done that
had I made the movie
10 years later.

1339
01:08:08,737 --> 01:08:11,529
I was just timid.
I was just a little embarrassed.

1340
01:08:11,529 --> 01:08:13,654
I just wasn't
the right guy to do that.

1341
01:08:15,821 --> 01:08:19,362
<font color="#804040">Kennedy:</font>
Steven was telling
the story that Alice wrote,

1342
01:08:19,362 --> 01:08:22,487
and he was trying
to access that

1343
01:08:22,487 --> 01:08:25,737
from his personal
point of view.

1344
01:08:25,737 --> 01:08:29,862
He could never go
where Alice went
with that book.

1345
01:08:29,862 --> 01:08:32,153
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

1346
01:08:43,654 --> 01:08:47,904
<font color="#804040">Maslin:</font>
That book was appreciated
for its grit and its realism,

1347
01:08:47,904 --> 01:08:51,987
and neither of those
were qualities that
he was known for.

1348
01:08:51,987 --> 01:08:56,362
He was just asking for it
by even going anywhere
near that.

1349
01:08:56,362 --> 01:08:58,862
<font color="#804040">Edelstein:</font>
Nobody really wanted
Steven Spielberg

1350
01:08:58,862 --> 01:09:00,695
to be a gritty filmmaker.

1351
01:09:00,695 --> 01:09:02,529
That wasn't
his sensibility.

1352
01:09:02,529 --> 01:09:05,612
But with
"The Color Purple,"
colors are exact,

1353
01:09:05,612 --> 01:09:08,029
the settings have been built
from the ground up

1354
01:09:08,029 --> 01:09:10,112
according
to his specifications.

1355
01:09:10,112 --> 01:09:15,987
There's something so false
and so Disney storyboard-like

1356
01:09:15,987 --> 01:09:17,904
about that movie.

1357
01:09:17,904 --> 01:09:20,195
<font color="#804040">Geffen:</font>
You know, he wanted
to make a prettier picture

1358
01:09:20,195 --> 01:09:22,362
than was intended
in the text.

1359
01:09:22,362 --> 01:09:23,570
That's Steven.

1360
01:09:23,570 --> 01:09:25,737
He wants to make
everything like that.

1361
01:09:25,737 --> 01:09:27,904
He wants to make
life like that.

1362
01:09:32,946 --> 01:09:34,403
I have a baby
on the way,

1363
01:09:34,403 --> 01:09:37,071
and the child is going
to change my life.

1364
01:09:37,071 --> 01:09:40,237
- It already has, in a way.
<font color="#804040">- Shalit:</font> Are you nervous
about it or what?

1365
01:09:40,237 --> 01:09:41,821
I'm not nervous
about it at all, no.

1366
01:09:41,821 --> 01:09:43,654
I just think
it's the best thing

1367
01:09:43,654 --> 01:09:46,362
that's ever happened
to me and to Amy.

1368
01:09:46,362 --> 01:09:48,071
We really can't wait
for this.

1369
01:09:51,487 --> 01:09:53,737
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I think the destiny
of Amy and I

1370
01:09:53,737 --> 01:09:55,821
was to bring Max
into the world,

1371
01:09:55,821 --> 01:09:59,612
which was such
a beautiful thing.

1372
01:09:59,612 --> 01:10:03,946
Before that,
I'm not sure I knew
what a personal life was.

1373
01:10:03,946 --> 01:10:06,779
I thought life began

1374
01:10:06,779 --> 01:10:10,278
with, you know,
"Action!"

1375
01:10:10,278 --> 01:10:11,445
And then, "Cut!"

1376
01:10:13,403 --> 01:10:15,195
After my mom and dad
broke up,

1377
01:10:15,195 --> 01:10:17,403
I always thought
that I would do my best

1378
01:10:17,403 --> 01:10:19,570
that if I ever decided
someday to get married,

1379
01:10:19,570 --> 01:10:21,071
I wouldn't get divorced.

1380
01:10:21,071 --> 01:10:22,612
And then,
of course, I did.

1381
01:10:22,612 --> 01:10:24,821
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

1382
01:10:27,821 --> 01:10:31,237
Divorce in any situation
is painful.

1383
01:10:31,237 --> 01:10:34,195
And it's especially
painful for me

1384
01:10:34,195 --> 01:10:37,612
because I am a child
of divorce

1385
01:10:37,612 --> 01:10:39,278
and I know
what it felt like.

1386
01:10:39,278 --> 01:10:42,487
And so, you know,
I felt terrible for Max,

1387
01:10:42,487 --> 01:10:45,029
that he had
to endure that.

1388
01:10:48,487 --> 01:10:50,403
- <font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>
- <font color="#808080">( people shouting )</font>

1389
01:10:50,403 --> 01:10:53,987
<font color="#804040">- Jamie:</font> My plane.
- Jamie! Jamie!

1390
01:10:57,821 --> 01:10:58,987
Mom?

1391
01:11:01,112 --> 01:11:02,987
- Mom?
<font color="#804040">- Frank Marshall:</font>
"Empire of the Sun"

1392
01:11:02,987 --> 01:11:05,654
was about this young boy
growing up in Shanghai

1393
01:11:05,654 --> 01:11:07,654
who gets separated
from his parents

1394
01:11:07,654 --> 01:11:09,821
during
the Japanese invasion.

1395
01:11:09,821 --> 01:11:11,403
Mommy!

1396
01:11:11,403 --> 01:11:13,570
- Jamie!
- Mommy!

1397
01:11:13,570 --> 01:11:16,862
And he goes through
a tremendous transformation

1398
01:11:16,862 --> 01:11:20,320
and growing-up process.

1399
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:22,821
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
It was playing on
what I knew were my strengths,

1400
01:11:22,821 --> 01:11:26,403
being able
to take the dark,
grim reality of war

1401
01:11:26,403 --> 01:11:28,570
and put it
with a child's approach

1402
01:11:28,570 --> 01:11:31,821
in the way
this particular special child
saw that war.

1403
01:11:31,821 --> 01:11:34,071
<font color="#808080">( crowd clamoring )</font>

1404
01:11:40,237 --> 01:11:41,946
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
It was based
on the experiences

1405
01:11:41,946 --> 01:11:43,320
that J.G. Ballard had

1406
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:45,862
in a Japanese
internment camp.

1407
01:11:49,029 --> 01:11:51,862
Jim was a lost boy
trying to figure out

1408
01:11:51,862 --> 01:11:53,862
where he belongs
in this world.

1409
01:11:56,029 --> 01:11:58,445
It's a movie about
growing up too quickly

1410
01:11:58,445 --> 01:12:01,278
and abandoning everything
that you once used

1411
01:12:01,278 --> 01:12:02,904
to keep yourself safe.

1412
01:12:06,570 --> 01:12:09,320
When you have nothing
to keep yourself safe,

1413
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:11,403
you become a survivor
like all the rest,

1414
01:12:11,403 --> 01:12:13,278
and you grow up
awfully quickly.

1415
01:12:14,946 --> 01:12:16,654
<font color="#804040">Christian Bale:</font>
It's an extraordinary story

1416
01:12:16,654 --> 01:12:19,071
of the resilience
of children,

1417
01:12:19,071 --> 01:12:21,112
this incredible survivor

1418
01:12:21,112 --> 01:12:23,821
who manages to have
more fortitude to him

1419
01:12:23,821 --> 01:12:27,779
than, really,
any of the adults
around him.

1420
01:12:32,821 --> 01:12:36,695
<font color="#804040">Scorsese:</font>
It's in the great tradition
of epic filmmaking.

1421
01:12:36,695 --> 01:12:40,362
That sports stadium
at the end when all the goods,

1422
01:12:40,362 --> 01:12:42,570
all the stuff
that had been stolen
is there,

1423
01:12:42,570 --> 01:12:45,278
the surrealism of that

1424
01:12:45,278 --> 01:12:50,278
and what it makes you feel
at that time and place,

1425
01:12:50,278 --> 01:12:51,654
the sense of what
the world was like,

1426
01:12:51,654 --> 01:12:55,153
how it had fallen apart,
all of civilization.

1427
01:12:55,153 --> 01:12:57,403
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

1428
01:13:11,695 --> 01:13:16,237
<font color="#804040">Scorsese:</font>
And then, something even
more disturbingly beautiful,

1429
01:13:16,237 --> 01:13:19,320
and that is the glow
from the atom bomb.

1430
01:13:24,195 --> 01:13:27,654
It's like
a soul transcending
into another life.

1431
01:13:29,071 --> 01:13:31,737
Mrs. Victor.

1432
01:13:31,737 --> 01:13:37,195
This is very poetic
and... mystical.

1433
01:13:40,237 --> 01:13:43,654
- <font color="#808080">( man speaks Japanese )</font>
- <font color="#808080">( boy singing in Welsh )</font>

1434
01:13:47,654 --> 01:13:49,320
<font color="#804040">Stoppard:</font>
This was war

1435
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:53,570
and it was death
and real horror.

1436
01:13:53,570 --> 01:13:55,987
And it was like
an end of innocence

1437
01:13:55,987 --> 01:13:58,320
for the Spielberg child.

1438
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:00,612
<font color="#808080">( children's choir
singing in Welsh )</font>

1439
01:14:00,612 --> 01:14:03,153
<font color="#804040">Stoppard:</font>
I think it was
a truly great film,

1440
01:14:03,153 --> 01:14:05,487
but, for me,
it ultimately shaded

1441
01:14:05,487 --> 01:14:10,737
into an unnecessary softness
or sentimentality.

1442
01:14:10,737 --> 01:14:12,612
I don't know
where it comes from,

1443
01:14:12,612 --> 01:14:15,612
but he likes
and enjoys sentiment.

1444
01:14:15,612 --> 01:14:17,029
It's part of him.

1445
01:14:26,654 --> 01:14:29,195
<font color="#804040">Scott:</font>
At the time, he was not
dismissed, exactly,

1446
01:14:29,195 --> 01:14:31,821
by a lot of critics,
but sort of looked at
a little skeptically.

1447
01:14:31,821 --> 01:14:33,195
"Oh, he wants
to be serious now.

1448
01:14:33,195 --> 01:14:34,862
Oh, he's trying to make
serious movies.

1449
01:14:34,862 --> 01:14:37,153
Oh, now he wants it"--
which, I mean--

1450
01:14:37,153 --> 01:14:40,737
it's such
a kind of nasty thing

1451
01:14:40,737 --> 01:14:42,362
to say about any artist.

1452
01:14:42,362 --> 01:14:44,779
<font color="#804040">Kennedy:</font>
It definitely hurt
his feelings.

1453
01:14:44,779 --> 01:14:46,403
I don't think anybody
as an artist

1454
01:14:46,403 --> 01:14:49,029
wants to feel like
they're being pigeonholed

1455
01:14:49,029 --> 01:14:52,904
in a way that other people
are determining who they are.

1456
01:14:52,904 --> 01:14:55,320
And when Steven
began to explore

1457
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:57,779
other kinds
of more serious stories,

1458
01:14:57,779 --> 01:15:00,654
they were very reluctant
to let him do that.

1459
01:15:00,654 --> 01:15:03,195
That was like,
"How dare you,
Steven Spielberg?

1460
01:15:03,195 --> 01:15:05,737
We've determined that you make
these kind of movies,

1461
01:15:05,737 --> 01:15:08,779
so why are you suddenly
trying to make this?"

1462
01:15:08,779 --> 01:15:10,946
He doesn't
over-intellectualize,

1463
01:15:10,946 --> 01:15:15,071
but maybe as a filmmaker,
Steven was using those movies

1464
01:15:15,071 --> 01:15:17,612
as stepping stones
along the way.

1465
01:15:17,612 --> 01:15:20,153
He didn't know
where he was headed,

1466
01:15:20,153 --> 01:15:23,570
but I think he was exercising
those muscles, in a way,

1467
01:15:23,570 --> 01:15:26,362
to recognize
he could go there,

1468
01:15:26,362 --> 01:15:28,362
that it was okay.

1469
01:15:30,904 --> 01:15:33,153
<font color="#808080">( man singing
in Hebrew )</font>

1470
01:15:40,946 --> 01:15:43,821
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
My very first memory--
I was in a stroller.

1471
01:15:43,821 --> 01:15:45,529
I just remember
being wheeled somewhere,

1472
01:15:45,529 --> 01:15:49,029
and my grandmother
and grandfather were with me.

1473
01:15:49,029 --> 01:15:51,612
<font color="#808080">( singing continues )</font>

1474
01:15:51,612 --> 01:15:55,112
We went into
this underground space.

1475
01:15:55,112 --> 01:15:58,654
There was a red light
over a set of doors.

1476
01:16:01,654 --> 01:16:03,529
And I just remember
getting closer and closer

1477
01:16:03,529 --> 01:16:06,237
to this red light
where all these old men--

1478
01:16:06,237 --> 01:16:10,987
just men were all
chanting something.

1479
01:16:10,987 --> 01:16:14,029
And the red light
was the Eternal Light,
the Ner Tamid,

1480
01:16:14,029 --> 01:16:16,862
and that's
my very first memory.

1481
01:16:19,695 --> 01:16:22,904
<font color="#804040">- Lacy:</font> Do you believe
in God?
- Yes.

1482
01:16:22,904 --> 01:16:24,987
Tell me about that.
Where where does...?

1483
01:16:24,987 --> 01:16:27,362
It comes from my--

1484
01:16:27,362 --> 01:16:31,029
you know, my spiritual--
not even spiritual,

1485
01:16:31,029 --> 01:16:33,946
my religious roots
and family.

1486
01:16:37,195 --> 01:16:40,904
All my grandparents had
a very strong influence
over me.

1487
01:16:40,904 --> 01:16:43,278
My grandfather, Fievel,
played guitar

1488
01:16:43,278 --> 01:16:45,570
and he sang
all Yiddish Russian songs.

1489
01:16:45,570 --> 01:16:47,487
And my grandmother,
Jennie,

1490
01:16:47,487 --> 01:16:50,445
taught English to Hungarian
Holocaust survivors.

1491
01:16:54,821 --> 01:16:57,904
We were Orthodox.
I was raised Orthodox.

1492
01:16:57,904 --> 01:17:00,987
And tradition has been
a huge part of my family,

1493
01:17:00,987 --> 01:17:02,946
and religious studies,
and Hebrew school,

1494
01:17:02,946 --> 01:17:07,153
and bar mitzvahs,
and bat mitzvahs
for my sisters.

1495
01:17:07,153 --> 01:17:10,195
But we always
lived in neighborhoods
where there were no Jews.

1496
01:17:10,195 --> 01:17:13,904
And there was
a real cultural divide
in those days

1497
01:17:13,904 --> 01:17:16,153
between Jewish people
and Gentiles,

1498
01:17:16,153 --> 01:17:18,320
a real cultural divide.

1499
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:19,946
<font color="#804040">Adler:</font>
I remember
that at one point,

1500
01:17:19,946 --> 01:17:23,529
kids were standing outside
and chanting

1501
01:17:23,529 --> 01:17:25,946
"the Spielbergs
are dirty Jews."

1502
01:17:25,946 --> 01:17:29,237
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I certainly experienced
being excluded

1503
01:17:29,237 --> 01:17:32,362
and being picked on
and discriminated against.

1504
01:17:32,362 --> 01:17:34,195
All I wanted to do
was fit in.

1505
01:17:34,195 --> 01:17:37,862
And by being Jewish,
there was no way I could
fit into anything.

1506
01:17:37,862 --> 01:17:40,529
My grandfather
would come over
to spend a week with us,

1507
01:17:40,529 --> 01:17:43,237
and I'd be playing
in the front yard
seven houses down,

1508
01:17:43,237 --> 01:17:45,071
and my grandfather
would stand on our front porch

1509
01:17:45,071 --> 01:17:47,278
and yell my Hebrew name,
"Shmuel!"

1510
01:17:47,278 --> 01:17:49,320
As loud
as he could, "Shmuel!"

1511
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:53,445
And all my friends would say,
"Is he talking to you?
That's your house."

1512
01:17:53,445 --> 01:17:56,112
And I immediately denied
that that was me.

1513
01:17:56,112 --> 01:17:58,946
"No, he must be calling
somebody else."

1514
01:17:58,946 --> 01:18:00,779
"Is your name Shmuel?"

1515
01:18:00,779 --> 01:18:02,320
And all my friends
started laughing.

1516
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,029
"Shmuel?
What's Shmuel?"

1517
01:18:04,029 --> 01:18:05,320
And meanwhile,
in the background,

1518
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:07,112
you can hear
my grandfather yelling

1519
01:18:07,112 --> 01:18:09,445
with a Russian accent,
"Shmuel!"

1520
01:18:09,445 --> 01:18:11,320
<font color="#804040">Anne:</font>
Steve did not
want to be Jewish.

1521
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:13,362
He didn't want to be Jewish
because it made us

1522
01:18:13,362 --> 01:18:15,071
too different
from everybody.

1523
01:18:15,071 --> 01:18:17,821
And the "Father Knows Best"
family

1524
01:18:17,821 --> 01:18:20,029
is an assimilated family.

1525
01:18:20,029 --> 01:18:22,654
And I think
he really yearned for that.

1526
01:18:22,654 --> 01:18:27,445
I began to deny
my Jewishness,

1527
01:18:27,445 --> 01:18:29,570
you know, began to deny

1528
01:18:29,570 --> 01:18:32,278
everything that I had
accepted as a child

1529
01:18:32,278 --> 01:18:33,821
and was not
willing to accept

1530
01:18:33,821 --> 01:18:36,278
if it was going
to make me a pariah.

1531
01:18:36,278 --> 01:18:38,029
I was ashamed of myself.

1532
01:18:38,029 --> 01:18:41,237
I still feel ashamed
of myself

1533
01:18:41,237 --> 01:18:45,946
even remembering
that long stretch of my life

1534
01:18:45,946 --> 01:18:49,445
where I didn't want
to be Jewish anymore.

1535
01:18:53,445 --> 01:18:55,403
When I first met Kate,

1536
01:18:55,403 --> 01:18:57,779
something that only happens
in the movies

1537
01:18:57,779 --> 01:18:59,071
happened to me.

1538
01:18:59,071 --> 01:19:04,153
It's a terrible cliché,
but bells began ringing.

1539
01:19:04,153 --> 01:19:07,153
It was love at first sight.
It really was.

1540
01:19:07,153 --> 01:19:08,821
There was something
that was

1541
01:19:08,821 --> 01:19:11,403
so both self-assured
about Katie

1542
01:19:11,403 --> 01:19:13,737
and reassuring for me.

1543
01:19:13,737 --> 01:19:16,487
There was
a kind of in-syncness.

1544
01:19:16,487 --> 01:19:18,570
We could talk
about anything,

1545
01:19:18,570 --> 01:19:20,821
and I couldn't get her
off my mind.

1546
01:19:20,821 --> 01:19:23,112
<font color="#808080">( choir singing
in Hebrew )</font>

1547
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:33,362
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
Kate came into my world,
in my life,

1548
01:19:33,362 --> 01:19:35,654
with a deep fascination
with the traditions

1549
01:19:35,654 --> 01:19:38,029
and the depth
of the history of Judaism.

1550
01:19:38,029 --> 01:19:40,654
And she really wanted
to marry me as a Jew.

1551
01:19:40,654 --> 01:19:43,904
So, she converted to Judaism
just before we got married.

1552
01:19:43,904 --> 01:19:46,362
<font color="#804040">Sue:</font> She said
she always felt like
she was coming home.

1553
01:19:46,362 --> 01:19:48,862
She always felt this was
where she was meant to be.

1554
01:19:48,862 --> 01:19:51,570
And so, as she studied Judaism
and got into it,

1555
01:19:51,570 --> 01:19:54,737
it brought Steve back around
to appreciating it.

1556
01:19:54,737 --> 01:19:56,779
<font color="#804040">Parkes:</font>
Kate brought
something to Steven

1557
01:19:56,779 --> 01:20:00,029
that I don't
think Steven believed
he could ever have.

1558
01:20:00,029 --> 01:20:03,821
She is so dedicated
to the idea of family

1559
01:20:03,821 --> 01:20:07,071
in its, you know,
purest essence

1560
01:20:07,071 --> 01:20:09,946
that not only
did it bring him,

1561
01:20:09,946 --> 01:20:12,695
I think, a happiness
he never thought he'd have,

1562
01:20:12,695 --> 01:20:15,362
but I suspect
it contributed

1563
01:20:15,362 --> 01:20:17,487
to his growth
as an artist.

1564
01:20:24,904 --> 01:20:29,403
<font color="#808080">( train whistle blaring )</font>

1565
01:20:29,403 --> 01:20:31,779
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
In 1982, Sid Sheinberg
gave me the book

1566
01:20:31,779 --> 01:20:33,695
of "Schindler's List"
to read.

1567
01:20:33,695 --> 01:20:36,445
He felt it was my destiny
to make this movie.

1568
01:20:36,445 --> 01:20:38,237
He was tenacious
about getting me

1569
01:20:38,237 --> 01:20:40,862
to pay attention to it,
not to give up on it.

1570
01:20:40,862 --> 01:20:44,654
I think
he was intimidated

1571
01:20:44,654 --> 01:20:47,904
by the thought
of making it.

1572
01:20:47,904 --> 01:20:50,570
<font color="#804040">Anne:</font>
He had the book
for over 10 years

1573
01:20:50,570 --> 01:20:52,737
before he was ready
to do it.

1574
01:20:52,737 --> 01:20:55,112
And he just said,
"I'll know when it's time."

1575
01:20:55,112 --> 01:20:56,529
You know, if anybody
pushed him on it,

1576
01:20:56,529 --> 01:20:57,987
"I'll know
when it's time."

1577
01:20:57,987 --> 01:20:59,695
- <font color="#808080">( people clamoring )</font>
- <font color="#808080">( dog barking )</font>

1578
01:20:59,695 --> 01:21:01,237
<font color="#804040">Anne:</font>
And then the time came.

1579
01:21:07,112 --> 01:21:11,987
<font color="#804040">Liam Neeson:</font>
On my first day, we were
outside the gates of Auschwitz.

1580
01:21:11,987 --> 01:21:16,112
5:30 in the morning,
bitterly, bitterly cold.

1581
01:21:16,112 --> 01:21:18,487
And hundreds of extras

1582
01:21:18,487 --> 01:21:21,612
dressed up in those
horrible striped pajamas

1583
01:21:21,612 --> 01:21:23,570
and German guards

1584
01:21:23,570 --> 01:21:27,278
and real Alsatian dogs,
real nasty dogs.

1585
01:21:27,278 --> 01:21:30,278
- <font color="#808080">( dogs barking )</font>
- <font color="#808080">( all screaming )</font>

1586
01:21:31,487 --> 01:21:33,612
No! No!

1587
01:21:33,612 --> 01:21:36,529
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
Nothing could prepare me for
my first visit to Auschwitz.

1588
01:21:36,529 --> 01:21:38,112
Nothing prepared me
for that.

1589
01:21:40,529 --> 01:21:43,278
I wanted to shoot
where the story actually
took place,

1590
01:21:43,278 --> 01:21:46,612
all the actual locations,

1591
01:21:46,612 --> 01:21:48,612
but I realized at that point
when I went to Poland

1592
01:21:48,612 --> 01:21:51,237
for the first time
that I was playing with fire.

1593
01:21:51,237 --> 01:21:52,695
That's horrible.

1594
01:21:52,695 --> 01:21:55,278
He was like someone
whose skin had been torn off.

1595
01:21:55,278 --> 01:21:57,570
He was just
so vulnerable,

1596
01:21:57,570 --> 01:21:59,904
pacing up and down
all the time.

1597
01:21:59,904 --> 01:22:01,529
I could tell
how important

1598
01:22:01,529 --> 01:22:04,403
this subject matter
and this film was to him.

1599
01:22:04,403 --> 01:22:06,529
- <font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>
- <font color="#808080">( chatter )</font>

1600
01:22:13,570 --> 01:22:17,570
<font color="#804040">Neeson:</font>
He was telling a story
of his family, his tribe,

1601
01:22:17,570 --> 01:22:22,153
so I was aware of the weight
of the subject matter.

1602
01:22:22,153 --> 01:22:24,570
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I said to the crew,
"This isn't a documentary,

1603
01:22:24,570 --> 01:22:28,403
but we are documenting things
that actually took place

1604
01:22:28,403 --> 01:22:30,362
in the place that
you're standing right now."

1605
01:22:30,362 --> 01:22:35,112
And I said also, you know,
"Those of us who are Jewish,

1606
01:22:35,112 --> 01:22:38,695
you know, would never have
been able to stand here,

1607
01:22:38,695 --> 01:22:41,821
you know, in 1943."

1608
01:22:45,862 --> 01:22:48,362
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I knew this couldn't be
just another movie

1609
01:22:48,362 --> 01:22:52,153
and it couldn't be
anything like anything
I had ever directed before.

1610
01:22:52,153 --> 01:22:53,779
I had to approach
the material

1611
01:22:53,779 --> 01:22:55,862
and I had to approach
the location

1612
01:22:55,862 --> 01:22:58,362
with a great deal
of reverence,

1613
01:22:58,362 --> 01:23:03,362
and I had to make this
a very quiet, quiet production.

1614
01:23:03,362 --> 01:23:06,029
We were shooting
on hallowed, sacred ground.

1615
01:23:08,904 --> 01:23:10,487
Everywhere we shot
in Kraków

1616
01:23:10,487 --> 01:23:12,737
felt like we were shooting
in a cemetery.

1617
01:23:12,737 --> 01:23:16,403
And it changed
my entire approach
to cinema.

1618
01:23:16,403 --> 01:23:17,779
I-- that film
looks different

1619
01:23:17,779 --> 01:23:20,071
than anything I had ever
done before that.

1620
01:23:20,071 --> 01:23:23,862
I tried to do it
with no fancy tricks,
no fancy lenses,

1621
01:23:23,862 --> 01:23:26,237
no big Hollywood
sweeping cranes.

1622
01:23:26,237 --> 01:23:28,320
I tried to take
all the tools

1623
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:30,654
with which I made
so many of my films

1624
01:23:30,654 --> 01:23:32,529
and just chuck them
out the window.

1625
01:23:32,529 --> 01:23:35,237
I never handheld anything,
but I wanted to handhold

1626
01:23:35,237 --> 01:23:37,195
as much of "Schindler's List"
as I possibly could.

1627
01:23:37,195 --> 01:23:39,695
I just wanted to create
for all of us

1628
01:23:39,695 --> 01:23:43,237
the feeling that we were
absolutely there
at the time.

1629
01:23:43,237 --> 01:23:45,237
Goodbye Jews!

1630
01:23:45,237 --> 01:23:48,403
Goodbye Jews!
Goodbye Jews!

1631
01:23:48,403 --> 01:23:51,570
- I'm just wondering
is the synagogue...
- <font color="#808080">( coughing )</font>

1632
01:23:51,570 --> 01:23:52,779
...a good background,

1633
01:23:52,779 --> 01:23:54,237
or is the park
a good background,

1634
01:23:54,237 --> 01:23:56,445
because this is
kind of interesting here.

1635
01:23:56,445 --> 01:23:58,946
<font color="#804040">Ralph Fiennes:</font>
Steven said, "I feel like
I'm directing my first movie.

1636
01:23:58,946 --> 01:24:00,529
I'm not storyboarding
anything."

1637
01:24:00,529 --> 01:24:01,946
And I think that gave him
an adrenaline

1638
01:24:01,946 --> 01:24:03,487
or something
that we all felt.

1639
01:24:03,487 --> 01:24:05,403
A fire, an alertness.

1640
01:24:05,403 --> 01:24:09,237
I've never felt the same level
of energy and focus.

1641
01:24:09,237 --> 01:24:11,779
He seems
to breathe cinema.

1642
01:24:11,779 --> 01:24:14,529
I wouldn't say
he's an intellectual director.

1643
01:24:14,529 --> 01:24:17,821
I think he feels things
intuitively and emotionally.

1644
01:24:17,821 --> 01:24:19,278
...and coverage up
like that.

1645
01:24:19,278 --> 01:24:21,946
He was kind of like
an abstract painter

1646
01:24:21,946 --> 01:24:25,237
who has his canvass

1647
01:24:25,237 --> 01:24:28,779
and has a palette
of extraordinary colors

1648
01:24:28,779 --> 01:24:30,695
but just doesn't know
what color

1649
01:24:30,695 --> 01:24:33,612
to put
on that screen first.

1650
01:24:33,612 --> 01:24:36,029
But once he's committed
to that color,

1651
01:24:36,029 --> 01:24:38,987
he was just firing
on all cylinders.

1652
01:24:38,987 --> 01:24:41,612
And there was
literally times
he was running,

1653
01:24:41,612 --> 01:24:43,362
physically running,
with that camera

1654
01:24:43,362 --> 01:24:45,779
because a lot of the stuff,
he shot himself.

1655
01:24:45,779 --> 01:24:47,029
Handheld camera.

1656
01:24:47,029 --> 01:24:48,654
He'd be running
up and down,

1657
01:24:48,654 --> 01:24:50,987
saying, "Come on,
come with me, quick,"

1658
01:24:50,987 --> 01:24:52,904
as the idea
was forming in his head.

1659
01:24:52,904 --> 01:24:55,403
And we'd all be running
after him, "What? What?"

1660
01:24:55,403 --> 01:24:58,029
He'd be inspired.
He saw something.

1661
01:24:58,029 --> 01:25:00,195
- <font color="#808080">( whistle trilling )</font>
- <font color="#808080">( people shouting )</font>

1662
01:25:06,821 --> 01:25:10,195
<font color="#808080">( speaking German )</font>

1663
01:25:10,195 --> 01:25:13,320
<font color="#804040">Sir Ben Kingsley:</font>
We were all struggling
with the incomprehensible

1664
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:16,737
as characters
and as actors.

1665
01:25:16,737 --> 01:25:20,612
But we put one foot
in front of the other
in our mandate

1666
01:25:20,612 --> 01:25:23,821
to, as Elie Wiesel says,
tell stories.

1667
01:25:23,821 --> 01:25:26,362
- <font color="#808080">( woman screams )</font>
- <font color="#808080">( all yelling )</font>

1668
01:25:26,362 --> 01:25:28,112
<font color="#804040">Kingsley:</font>
We took on the mantle

1669
01:25:28,112 --> 01:25:30,987
of actor-warriors,
if you like.

1670
01:25:30,987 --> 01:25:34,904
Because if you soften
anything with sentiment,

1671
01:25:34,904 --> 01:25:38,112
you lessen the blow that
the audience have got to feel

1672
01:25:38,112 --> 01:25:39,862
and got to reel under.

1673
01:25:39,862 --> 01:25:41,320
<font color="#808080">( shouting in German )</font>

1674
01:25:46,112 --> 01:25:49,737
<font color="#808080">( soldiers shouting
in German )</font>

1675
01:25:49,737 --> 01:25:52,570
- <font color="#808080">( whistle trills )</font>
- <font color="#808080">( speaking German )</font>

1676
01:25:52,570 --> 01:25:55,029
<font color="#804040">Kingsley:</font>
In the liquidation
of the ghetto scene,

1677
01:25:55,029 --> 01:25:56,695
I knew I had
to serve the story.

1678
01:25:56,695 --> 01:26:00,112
I remembered my lines,
but I was in deep shock.

1679
01:26:00,112 --> 01:26:01,904
- No acting.
- <font color="#808080">( shouting )</font>

1680
01:26:01,904 --> 01:26:04,779
- <font color="#808080">( gunshot )</font>
- <font color="#808080">( woman wailing )</font>

1681
01:26:06,278 --> 01:26:07,904
<font color="#808080">( whistle trilling )</font>

1682
01:26:07,904 --> 01:26:10,403
<font color="#804040">Kingsley:</font>
The beautifully
orchestrated chaos

1683
01:26:10,403 --> 01:26:12,904
was unrepeatable
or unforgettable.

1684
01:26:12,904 --> 01:26:15,529
- <font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>
- <font color="#808080">( chatter )</font>

1685
01:26:20,362 --> 01:26:24,570
<font color="#804040">Neeson:</font>
Oskar Schindler
was a gregarious man.

1686
01:26:24,570 --> 01:26:27,029
He was
a second-rate businessman.

1687
01:26:27,029 --> 01:26:29,987
Bit of a shady character,
you know?

1688
01:26:29,987 --> 01:26:34,612
A man about town,
loved the women,
loved his booze.

1689
01:26:34,612 --> 01:26:38,237
A bon vivant,
that's what he was.

1690
01:26:38,237 --> 01:26:40,237
And he did
this extraordinary thing.

1691
01:26:40,237 --> 01:26:44,529
He saved
over 1,100 Jewish lives.

1692
01:26:44,529 --> 01:26:47,570
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
There was something
indescribably mysterious

1693
01:26:47,570 --> 01:26:49,112
about this character.

1694
01:26:49,112 --> 01:26:51,779
It was impossible
to really understand

1695
01:26:51,779 --> 01:26:53,946
why he did what he did.

1696
01:26:53,946 --> 01:26:56,445
But we decided
just to let the audience

1697
01:26:56,445 --> 01:26:59,278
work that out
for themselves.

1698
01:26:59,278 --> 01:27:01,112
<font color="#804040">Neeson:</font>
I was a smoker at the time.

1699
01:27:01,112 --> 01:27:03,654
Steve was not a smoker,
but in the close-ups,

1700
01:27:03,654 --> 01:27:05,487
he would start
to tell me how to smoke.

1701
01:27:05,487 --> 01:27:08,946
He'd say, "Okay,
you're looking at the table.

1702
01:27:08,946 --> 01:27:12,821
You see three of these
high-ranking Nazi guys.

1703
01:27:12,821 --> 01:27:14,612
Take a drag
of your cigarette."

1704
01:27:14,612 --> 01:27:18,612
<font color="#808080">( smacks lips, blows )</font>
"No, no. Do it again.

1705
01:27:18,612 --> 01:27:21,071
Keep your fingers there.
Take a drag.

1706
01:27:21,071 --> 01:27:24,779
Let the smoke
curl up your face.

1707
01:27:24,779 --> 01:27:27,612
Do it again.

1708
01:27:27,612 --> 01:27:29,987
Okay, now take your hand away
very, very slowly."

1709
01:27:29,987 --> 01:27:32,612
So, he was basically
telling me how to breathe.

1710
01:27:32,612 --> 01:27:34,904
I remember sharing it
with Ben Kingsley

1711
01:27:34,904 --> 01:27:36,779
later on that night
or the next day.

1712
01:27:36,779 --> 01:27:40,278
I said, "Ben, I just--
if every scene's gonna
be like that,

1713
01:27:40,278 --> 01:27:42,570
I'm a fucking puppet,
you know?

1714
01:27:42,570 --> 01:27:44,071
I don't want
to be a puppet.

1715
01:27:44,071 --> 01:27:45,529
I'm 41 years of age."

1716
01:27:45,529 --> 01:27:47,362
And I remember
Ben so well.

1717
01:27:47,362 --> 01:27:49,946
He said,
"A great conductor...

1718
01:27:51,487 --> 01:27:54,529
needs a good soloist.

1719
01:27:54,529 --> 01:27:56,153
So just trust that.

1720
01:27:56,153 --> 01:27:57,654
Just go
into his direction.

1721
01:27:57,654 --> 01:27:59,612
Don't fight against it.
Just go into it."

1722
01:27:59,612 --> 01:28:00,987
And that's what I did.

1723
01:28:00,987 --> 01:28:04,320
I just opened myself
for Steven, you know?

1724
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:05,779
<font color="#804040">Oskar:</font>
My father
was fond of saying,

1725
01:28:05,779 --> 01:28:07,987
"You need three things
in life--

1726
01:28:07,987 --> 01:28:12,529
a good doctor,
a forgiving priest,

1727
01:28:12,529 --> 01:28:14,487
and a clever accountant."

1728
01:28:18,779 --> 01:28:20,821
The first two...
<font color="#808080">( chuckles )</font>

1729
01:28:20,821 --> 01:28:22,529
I've never had
much use for.

1730
01:28:22,529 --> 01:28:26,445
But the third?

1731
01:28:26,445 --> 01:28:28,487
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
Itzhak Stern
was the character

1732
01:28:28,487 --> 01:28:31,737
that I was closest to
in my understanding of him.

1733
01:28:31,737 --> 01:28:34,529
Just pretend,
for Christ's sake.

1734
01:28:34,529 --> 01:28:38,029
And I said to Ben,
"You're the conscience
of Oskar Schindler.

1735
01:28:38,029 --> 01:28:40,403
You're also my window

1736
01:28:40,403 --> 01:28:42,821
into my insight
into Oskar Schindler."

1737
01:28:42,821 --> 01:28:44,737
I'm trying to thank you.

1738
01:28:46,737 --> 01:28:49,779
I'm saying I couldn't
have done this without you.

1739
01:28:49,779 --> 01:28:52,737
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
Anything I can glean
from Schindler himself,

1740
01:28:52,737 --> 01:28:55,403
I think a lot of it is gonna
come from how you look at him.

1741
01:28:58,654 --> 01:29:00,237
You're welcome.

1742
01:29:00,237 --> 01:29:01,904
<font color="#804040">Kingsley:</font>
There are very,
very few directors

1743
01:29:01,904 --> 01:29:04,987
who respect stillness
as much as Steven.

1744
01:29:04,987 --> 01:29:07,737
He's gonna catch
every single gesture

1745
01:29:07,737 --> 01:29:11,029
you offer to the camera,
and he's going to use it.

1746
01:29:11,029 --> 01:29:16,153
His intuition for
something real and present
is very, very strong.

1747
01:29:16,153 --> 01:29:19,320
He wanted to avoid clichés
about Nazis,

1748
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:22,779
and, in terms of performance,
I understood it on
my first day.

1749
01:29:22,779 --> 01:29:26,195
You know, the thing
about Amon having a cough--
"Ahem, excuse me,"

1750
01:29:26,195 --> 01:29:29,779
and giving him
sort of banal human failings,
touches like that.

1751
01:29:29,779 --> 01:29:31,821
<font color="#804040">Man:</font>
Do you have
any questions, sir?

1752
01:29:31,821 --> 01:29:35,695
Yeah, why is the top down?
I'm fucking freezing.

1753
01:29:35,695 --> 01:29:37,654
There were ways in which,
through performance
and filming,

1754
01:29:37,654 --> 01:29:40,112
you can amp up
and signal "bad guy."

1755
01:29:40,112 --> 01:29:42,237
And I think he wanted,
quite rightly,

1756
01:29:42,237 --> 01:29:44,112
to say,
"No, man doing job.

1757
01:29:44,112 --> 01:29:47,029
- You decide
what you think."
- I have an idea.

1758
01:29:47,029 --> 01:29:48,946
How about just
lighting their mouths,
nothing else?

1759
01:29:48,946 --> 01:29:51,112
I was just going--
you know--

1760
01:29:51,112 --> 01:29:53,695
no, him, I want to light
just from the top, you know,

1761
01:29:53,695 --> 01:29:55,862
so we get
some shadows here,
just like...

1762
01:29:55,862 --> 01:29:59,029
Okay, I just want
to make sure we're
not being too on the nose

1763
01:29:59,029 --> 01:30:02,737
with the--
you know, the badness
of the character

1764
01:30:02,737 --> 01:30:04,946
by having
a straight-down light.

1765
01:30:04,946 --> 01:30:07,237
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font> Everything we do
in this medium is about
light and shadow,

1766
01:30:07,237 --> 01:30:10,153
how the cinematographer
lights the actors,
lights the set.

1767
01:30:10,153 --> 01:30:11,987
If you look
at "Schindler's List,"

1768
01:30:11,987 --> 01:30:14,487
Amon Goeth was always
lit beautifully.

1769
01:30:14,487 --> 01:30:16,821
He always had
that beautiful front light.

1770
01:30:16,821 --> 01:30:18,362
You know, the guy
was very clear.

1771
01:30:18,362 --> 01:30:19,779
There was no mystery
in him.

1772
01:30:19,779 --> 01:30:21,487
You don't have
to enhance his evilness,

1773
01:30:21,487 --> 01:30:23,654
if you may say,
by lighting.

1774
01:30:23,654 --> 01:30:25,570
Now, if you look
at Oskar Schindler,

1775
01:30:25,570 --> 01:30:27,153
that was
a confused individual.

1776
01:30:27,153 --> 01:30:29,153
He came to Poland
to make money,

1777
01:30:29,153 --> 01:30:32,278
so it's always glamorous,
but always shadowy.

1778
01:30:32,278 --> 01:30:35,654
And then
as the movie's progressing,
he gets more frontal light.

1779
01:30:35,654 --> 01:30:36,987
The shadows disappear.

1780
01:30:36,987 --> 01:30:38,987
They say you are good.

1781
01:30:38,987 --> 01:30:41,695
<font color="#804040">Kaminski:</font>
Because he's learning
who he is.

1782
01:30:41,695 --> 01:30:44,612
<font color="#808080">( man speaking German
over PA )</font>

1783
01:30:47,237 --> 01:30:49,612
- <font color="#808080">( distant shouting )</font>
- <font color="#808080">( gunshot )</font>

1784
01:30:53,362 --> 01:30:56,362
<font color="#808080">( children's choir
singing in Yiddish )</font>

1785
01:31:04,445 --> 01:31:07,320
<font color="#804040">Neeson:</font>
The little girl in red
actually happened.

1786
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:11,403
Schindler on horseback
watching these people
being rounded up.

1787
01:31:11,403 --> 01:31:13,487
<font color="#808080">( gunfire )</font>

1788
01:31:13,487 --> 01:31:18,529
<font color="#804040">Neeson:</font>
He did spot this little girl
in a red coat.

1789
01:31:18,529 --> 01:31:20,695
Of all the carnage
that's happening,

1790
01:31:20,695 --> 01:31:22,821
he can't take his eyes
off this little girl

1791
01:31:22,821 --> 01:31:24,445
meandering
down the street.

1792
01:31:24,445 --> 01:31:25,862
He couldn't take
his eyes off of her

1793
01:31:25,862 --> 01:31:28,237
and wonder why
is she not being taken

1794
01:31:28,237 --> 01:31:30,195
along with
everybody else.

1795
01:31:30,195 --> 01:31:32,654
And, of course,
the answer was,
"Well, she will be taken.

1796
01:31:32,654 --> 01:31:34,195
May not be
in the next few minutes,

1797
01:31:34,195 --> 01:31:36,570
but she's not
going to survive."

1798
01:31:39,904 --> 01:31:41,362
<font color="#808080">( man shouts in German )</font>

1799
01:31:43,071 --> 01:31:45,071
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
During the liquidation
of the ghetto,

1800
01:31:45,071 --> 01:31:47,112
when they were taking people
and putting them in trucks

1801
01:31:47,112 --> 01:31:48,904
and shooting old people
in the streets,

1802
01:31:48,904 --> 01:31:50,862
they were
leaving her alone.

1803
01:31:50,862 --> 01:31:53,403
Somehow,
the most obvious target

1804
01:31:53,403 --> 01:31:55,071
was not being
apprehended.

1805
01:31:55,071 --> 01:31:58,029
And, to me, it was less about
what turned Oskar Schindler,

1806
01:31:58,029 --> 01:32:01,737
and it was more that the world
turned a blind eye
on the Holocaust

1807
01:32:01,737 --> 01:32:05,237
and the industrialized process
of wholesale murder.

1808
01:32:05,237 --> 01:32:07,071
<font color="#804040">Amon:</font>
Can you believe this?

1809
01:32:07,071 --> 01:32:10,654
As if I don't
have enough to do,
they come up with this?

1810
01:32:10,654 --> 01:32:14,946
I have to find every rag
buried up here and burn it.

1811
01:32:14,946 --> 01:32:17,112
<font color="#808080">( sighs )</font>
The party's over, Oskar.

1812
01:32:17,112 --> 01:32:19,570
They're closing us down,
sending everybody
to Auschwitz.

1813
01:32:19,570 --> 01:32:20,779
- When?
- I don't know.

1814
01:32:20,779 --> 01:32:22,153
As soon as I can arrange
the shipments.

1815
01:32:22,153 --> 01:32:26,195
Maybe 30, 40 days.
That ought to be fun.

1816
01:32:26,195 --> 01:32:28,862
<font color="#808080">( man shouting
in German )</font>

1817
01:32:28,862 --> 01:32:30,403
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
So, that little girl in red,

1818
01:32:30,403 --> 01:32:32,821
for me, symbolizes
the Holocaust

1819
01:32:32,821 --> 01:32:35,529
and all
of its monstrous evil,

1820
01:32:35,529 --> 01:32:38,237
and no one
did anything about it
when they could have.

1821
01:32:41,821 --> 01:32:46,112
<font color="#804040">Michael Kahn:</font> I remember
I put together a scene,
very hard, emotionally.

1822
01:32:46,112 --> 01:32:49,112
And Steven comes in
that night.

1823
01:32:49,112 --> 01:32:52,612
We went out to where
he was staying

1824
01:32:52,612 --> 01:32:54,695
and I start running
the scene.

1825
01:32:54,695 --> 01:32:58,071
And he looks at it.
"Hold on, Mike.
I can't do it."

1826
01:32:58,071 --> 01:33:01,112
He's like-- he went like,
"I can't do it.

1827
01:33:01,112 --> 01:33:03,654
It's too tough."
And he left.

1828
01:33:03,654 --> 01:33:06,071
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I just remember getting home
and just falling apart.

1829
01:33:06,071 --> 01:33:08,570
And Kate was on the set
with me a lot.

1830
01:33:08,570 --> 01:33:11,029
We would cry together
many, many times.

1831
01:33:11,029 --> 01:33:13,987
She really kept me going
through that whole production.

1832
01:33:13,987 --> 01:33:17,112
We were
four months in Kraków.
A long time.

1833
01:33:17,112 --> 01:33:20,529
It was, emotionally,
the hardest movie
I've ever made.

1834
01:33:20,529 --> 01:33:22,487
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

1835
01:33:31,487 --> 01:33:33,987
<font color="#804040">Annette Insdorf:</font>
The film is not about

1836
01:33:33,987 --> 01:33:37,153
the Holocaust
with a capital "H."

1837
01:33:37,153 --> 01:33:41,862
It is a particular window
into the past.

1838
01:33:50,862 --> 01:33:53,278
And here,
a mainstream director

1839
01:33:53,278 --> 01:33:55,237
had crafted
a motion picture

1840
01:33:55,237 --> 01:33:58,529
that would in fact
finally reach a large audience,

1841
01:33:58,529 --> 01:34:01,112
including people
that simply may never
have known

1842
01:34:01,112 --> 01:34:03,821
the word "Auschwitz."

1843
01:34:03,821 --> 01:34:07,695
<font color="#808080">( chorus singing
in Hebrew )</font>

1844
01:34:10,862 --> 01:34:12,821
<font color="#804040">Neeson:</font>
About three quarters
of the way through the shoot,

1845
01:34:12,821 --> 01:34:15,529
Steven had this idea
about the end of the film.

1846
01:34:15,529 --> 01:34:18,737
He wanted to fly us
to Jerusalem.

1847
01:34:18,737 --> 01:34:21,445
We would shoot a scene
at Schindler's grave.

1848
01:34:21,445 --> 01:34:23,112
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I needed there to be

1849
01:34:23,112 --> 01:34:26,403
some testimony
built into the movie

1850
01:34:26,403 --> 01:34:29,695
that says this story
actually happened.

1851
01:34:32,570 --> 01:34:34,403
<font color="#804040">Fiennes:</font>
Brave thing to do.

1852
01:34:34,403 --> 01:34:35,779
These are
the real people.

1853
01:34:42,946 --> 01:34:45,779
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

1854
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:09,278
<font color="#804040">Kennedy:</font>
That was a pivotal moment
in Steven's life.

1855
01:35:09,278 --> 01:35:11,695
He recognized
he couldn't take

1856
01:35:11,695 --> 01:35:13,487
any of the profits
from the film.

1857
01:35:13,487 --> 01:35:15,529
He wanted to give
something back,

1858
01:35:15,529 --> 01:35:18,445
so he started what became
the Shoah Foundation,

1859
01:35:18,445 --> 01:35:22,445
documenting that oral history
and capturing history

1860
01:35:22,445 --> 01:35:26,612
in a way that allowed people
not to forget.

1861
01:35:26,612 --> 01:35:31,445
<font color="#804040">Kingsley:</font>
The Shoah Foundation
is a way of trying to hear

1862
01:35:31,445 --> 01:35:34,987
the faintest echo
of the stories that we've lost.

1863
01:35:34,987 --> 01:35:37,987
So, it's connected to him
as a storyteller,

1864
01:35:37,987 --> 01:35:41,278
which is in his DNA.

1865
01:35:41,278 --> 01:35:44,029
<font color="#804040">Man:</font> They started
running toward the tracks
and they were shot.

1866
01:35:44,029 --> 01:35:46,445
- <font color="#808080">( overlapping voices )</font>
<font color="#804040">- Woman:</font> It was probably
the last patrol of the day.

1867
01:35:46,445 --> 01:35:48,153
They were not supposed
to be there anymore.

1868
01:35:48,153 --> 01:35:50,153
And of course
they asked for papers,

1869
01:35:50,153 --> 01:35:52,654
- but my grandfather
didn't have any.
- <font color="#808080">( overlapping voices )</font>

1870
01:35:52,654 --> 01:35:56,153
And they took them.
They took them.

1871
01:35:56,153 --> 01:35:58,445
<font color="#808080">( overlapping voices
in various languages )</font>

1872
01:35:58,445 --> 01:36:02,403
<font color="#804040">Neeson:</font>
He's got thousands
and thousands of testimonies,

1873
01:36:02,403 --> 01:36:03,987
and not just
about the Holocaust.

1874
01:36:03,987 --> 01:36:07,320
About Rwanda,
about Bosnia, you know?

1875
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:10,779
And it's amazing, this legacy
that "Schindler's List"

1876
01:36:10,779 --> 01:36:12,695
has spawned
through Steven.

1877
01:36:12,695 --> 01:36:14,654
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

1878
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:32,821
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
The experience of making
"Schindler's List"

1879
01:36:32,821 --> 01:36:37,112
made me reconcile
with all of the reasons,

1880
01:36:37,112 --> 01:36:42,987
the vain, glorious reasons,
I hid from my Jewishness.

1881
01:36:42,987 --> 01:36:47,529
And it made me so proud
to be a Jew.

1882
01:36:57,112 --> 01:36:59,153
- <font color="#808080">( trees rustling )</font>
- <font color="#808080">( bird squawks )</font>

1883
01:37:01,529 --> 01:37:03,487
<font color="#808080">( dinosaur growling )</font>

1884
01:37:07,529 --> 01:37:10,737
<font color="#804040">Kennedy:</font>
There are periods of time
in moviemaking history

1885
01:37:10,737 --> 01:37:14,029
where you have
a collision of events

1886
01:37:14,029 --> 01:37:15,904
that innovates and creates
something new.

1887
01:37:15,904 --> 01:37:18,904
And "Jurassic Park"
was one of those moments.

1888
01:37:18,904 --> 01:37:20,987
<font color="#804040">- Man:</font> Keep it there.
<font color="#804040">- Spielberg:</font> It was
the beginning

1889
01:37:20,987 --> 01:37:22,737
of, really,
the digital era

1890
01:37:22,737 --> 01:37:26,278
where the central characters
were digitally created.

1891
01:37:26,278 --> 01:37:28,403
No one had ever
gone there before that way.

1892
01:37:28,403 --> 01:37:32,071
<font color="#804040">- Man #2:</font> Come on!
- <font color="#808080">( all chattering )</font>

1893
01:37:32,071 --> 01:37:34,153
<font color="#804040">Kennedy:</font>
Steven said to me,

1894
01:37:34,153 --> 01:37:38,737
"I want 28-foot to 30-foot
dinosaurs on the set

1895
01:37:38,737 --> 01:37:40,904
that the actors
can interact with,

1896
01:37:40,904 --> 01:37:43,153
and I want them
to be able to run."

1897
01:37:43,153 --> 01:37:45,821
There were going to be
at least 60 wide shots

1898
01:37:45,821 --> 01:37:47,779
with 60 head-to-toe
dinosaurs

1899
01:37:47,779 --> 01:37:49,737
that could not
operate mechanically.

1900
01:37:49,737 --> 01:37:51,278
They had to run.
They had to perform.

1901
01:37:51,278 --> 01:37:52,821
They had to twist and turn.
They had to be real.

1902
01:37:52,821 --> 01:37:56,695
So, I went off to start
to talk to experts

1903
01:37:56,695 --> 01:38:00,195
in the area of prosthetics
and theme parks

1904
01:38:00,195 --> 01:38:01,487
to figure out
how we're gonna do this.

1905
01:38:01,487 --> 01:38:03,029
And, of course,
everybody said to me,

1906
01:38:03,029 --> 01:38:05,237
"We can build these things,
but they can't run."

1907
01:38:05,237 --> 01:38:07,153
So, I went back to Steven
and I said, "They can't run."

1908
01:38:07,153 --> 01:38:08,862
He said, "Well,
they have to run."

1909
01:38:08,862 --> 01:38:11,153
- Okay, pushing team,
move in there.
<font color="#804040">- Man:</font> Move in.

1910
01:38:11,153 --> 01:38:14,487
<font color="#804040">Kennedy:</font>
So, all this development
was going on,

1911
01:38:14,487 --> 01:38:19,278
and simultaneous to that,
Dennis Muren called me
and he said,

1912
01:38:19,278 --> 01:38:22,278
"I'm working on something
with the computer

1913
01:38:22,278 --> 01:38:24,612
that I think could be
extraordinary."

1914
01:38:24,612 --> 01:38:26,570
<font color="#808080">( dinosaur roaring )</font>

1915
01:38:26,570 --> 01:38:28,278
<font color="#808080">( grunts )</font>

1916
01:38:28,278 --> 01:38:29,612
<font color="#808080">( groaning )</font>

1917
01:38:29,612 --> 01:38:31,071
<font color="#808080">( alarm blaring )</font>

1918
01:38:31,071 --> 01:38:32,821
- Aah!
- <font color="#808080">( dinosaur roars )</font>

1919
01:38:32,821 --> 01:38:34,445
<font color="#804040">Muldoon:</font>
Lock the opening!

1920
01:38:34,445 --> 01:38:36,487
<font color="#804040">Marshall:</font>
And we flew up to ILM,

1921
01:38:36,487 --> 01:38:38,195
and we went
in this little office,

1922
01:38:38,195 --> 01:38:41,487
and there was a computer,
and Dennis said, "Watch this."

1923
01:38:41,487 --> 01:38:42,862
And he hit a button,

1924
01:38:42,862 --> 01:38:45,153
and there was
a dinosaur running.

1925
01:38:45,153 --> 01:38:46,445
This is all in the computer.

1926
01:38:46,445 --> 01:38:47,737
There's no models,
no cameras, or anything.

1927
01:38:47,737 --> 01:38:49,153
When we looked at them,

1928
01:38:49,153 --> 01:38:50,779
it was like nothing
you had ever seen before.

1929
01:38:50,779 --> 01:38:54,071
And it was one
of those primal moments

1930
01:38:54,071 --> 01:38:57,987
- where you suddenly
realize, oh, my God...
- Oh, my God.

1931
01:38:57,987 --> 01:38:59,445
Oh, my God,
we're there.

1932
01:38:59,445 --> 01:39:01,737
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
This is the future.

1933
01:39:01,737 --> 01:39:03,695
I could not
believe my eyes.

1934
01:39:03,695 --> 01:39:05,695
Couldn't believe it.

1935
01:39:05,695 --> 01:39:07,570
They were alive.
They were real.

1936
01:39:07,570 --> 01:39:10,987
And it was so exciting,
we all leapt to our feet

1937
01:39:10,987 --> 01:39:13,320
because we had never seen
anything like it.

1938
01:39:13,320 --> 01:39:15,029
I'm not exaggerating
when I say

1939
01:39:15,029 --> 01:39:18,737
looking at that test
was like the moment

1940
01:39:18,737 --> 01:39:20,278
when sound came to movies.

1941
01:39:20,278 --> 01:39:23,862
There was this new tool
that was going to be huge,

1942
01:39:23,862 --> 01:39:25,071
and you could just tell.

1943
01:39:25,071 --> 01:39:27,029
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

1944
01:39:29,612 --> 01:39:32,195
<font color="#808080">( roaring )</font>

1945
01:39:38,612 --> 01:39:41,029
<font color="#804040">Laura Dern:</font>
It was that much
of an experiment.

1946
01:39:41,029 --> 01:39:42,821
It felt that wild.

1947
01:39:42,821 --> 01:39:45,946
And watching, you know,
their brains at work

1948
01:39:45,946 --> 01:39:48,654
as we were shooting,
and how'd they adjust a shot,

1949
01:39:48,654 --> 01:39:51,029
and how giddy
Steven would get,

1950
01:39:51,029 --> 01:39:55,570
you get caught up
in the dreams he was building
and the magic.

1951
01:39:55,570 --> 01:39:58,654
<font color="#804040">Jeff Goldblum:</font> During
the scenes where we're
first seeing the dinosaur,

1952
01:39:58,654 --> 01:40:00,071
he puts the camera on me
and says, "Okay, Jeff,

1953
01:40:00,071 --> 01:40:01,695
now you're looking
at the thing.

1954
01:40:01,695 --> 01:40:03,362
Okay, so look at it.

1955
01:40:03,362 --> 01:40:05,445
Yeah, keep going.
Keep rolling.

1956
01:40:05,445 --> 01:40:07,821
Is it real?
Is it a trick?

1957
01:40:07,821 --> 01:40:11,153
And now,
for no reason at all,
you start to laugh.

1958
01:40:11,153 --> 01:40:12,570
Keep laughing
a little bit.

1959
01:40:12,570 --> 01:40:14,487
Laugh a little bit more.
That's it.

1960
01:40:14,487 --> 01:40:16,695
Now you're stunned
by it again

1961
01:40:16,695 --> 01:40:18,362
and you just get
very still.

1962
01:40:19,904 --> 01:40:21,445
Okay, that's it.
Okay, I got what I need.

1963
01:40:21,445 --> 01:40:23,237
Let's go.
Let's move on."
Like that.

1964
01:40:23,237 --> 01:40:25,071
He knows exactly
what he needs.

1965
01:40:25,071 --> 01:40:26,946
Weapon, you know,
guy face-- all faces,

1966
01:40:26,946 --> 01:40:30,071
weapons, faces,
and then right to Bob.

1967
01:40:30,071 --> 01:40:33,570
- Get in there!
<font color="#804040">- Spielberg:</font> "Jurassic Park"
is a cautionary tale.

1968
01:40:33,570 --> 01:40:35,779
We stand on the shoulders
of giants

1969
01:40:35,779 --> 01:40:38,654
to create
the next great thing,

1970
01:40:38,654 --> 01:40:42,320
and yet we take
no responsibility
for our own creations.

1971
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:45,654
But it's an old, timeworn
science fiction story.

1972
01:40:45,654 --> 01:40:48,153
It's what brought Godzilla
up from the depths.

1973
01:40:48,153 --> 01:40:52,695
You mess
with atomic energy,
you get Godzilla.

1974
01:40:52,695 --> 01:40:55,195
<font color="#804040">Rick Carter:</font>
There's a lot of dark themes
in "Jurassic Park"

1975
01:40:55,195 --> 01:40:58,695
that are about, you know,
unleashing Pandora's box.

1976
01:40:58,695 --> 01:41:01,779
As it turns out, it's not
only genetic engineering,

1977
01:41:01,779 --> 01:41:04,112
which is a theme
in the movie,

1978
01:41:04,112 --> 01:41:05,946
it's actually
the digital revolution

1979
01:41:05,946 --> 01:41:08,195
coming out right
from behind the fence.

1980
01:41:08,195 --> 01:41:11,153
- <font color="#808080">( growling )</font>
- <font color="#808080">( thunder crashing )</font>

1981
01:41:18,237 --> 01:41:20,071
<font color="#808080">( roaring )</font>

1982
01:41:20,071 --> 01:41:22,654
<font color="#804040">Muren:</font> This opened up
a whole new world
in storytelling

1983
01:41:22,654 --> 01:41:24,946
because you can do
anything you want.

1984
01:41:24,946 --> 01:41:27,529
You're not limited
by plastics or metal

1985
01:41:27,529 --> 01:41:30,320
or gravity
or anything.

1986
01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:32,654
If you can imagine it,
you can do it.

1987
01:41:32,654 --> 01:41:35,487
It was the end of an era,
no question about it.

1988
01:41:35,487 --> 01:41:37,320
And it was the beginning
of a whole nother era.

1989
01:41:37,320 --> 01:41:40,320
- <font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>
- <font color="#808080">( chittering )</font>

1990
01:41:50,821 --> 01:41:55,362
<font color="#804040">Muren:</font> Steven is a master
of putting the effects shots in
for a purpose.

1991
01:41:55,362 --> 01:41:59,071
They're there
to advance the story

1992
01:41:59,071 --> 01:42:02,029
and to make it
a different journey

1993
01:42:02,029 --> 01:42:04,195
than anybody's
seen before.

1994
01:42:04,195 --> 01:42:05,862
And it could be
a spaceship,

1995
01:42:05,862 --> 01:42:08,403
it could be a dinosaur,
it could be an alien landing,

1996
01:42:08,403 --> 01:42:12,195
it could be,
you know, a red coat
that somebody's wearing

1997
01:42:12,195 --> 01:42:14,612
when they're running through
a black-and-white movie.

1998
01:42:14,612 --> 01:42:17,529
- Put the camera down.
<font color="#804040">- Parkes:</font> It's part
of the emotional landscape

1999
01:42:17,529 --> 01:42:19,278
of the story he's telling.

2000
01:42:19,278 --> 01:42:21,362
I've never seen
a single moment

2001
01:42:21,362 --> 01:42:23,362
in a Spielberg movie
in which you feel

2002
01:42:23,362 --> 01:42:25,821
that the technology
is crushing the story.

2003
01:42:25,821 --> 01:42:27,612
And that's really hard.

2004
01:42:27,612 --> 01:42:30,529
I mean, these moments,
which have to feel

2005
01:42:30,529 --> 01:42:33,862
spontaneous and real
on-screen...

2006
01:42:33,862 --> 01:42:35,821
There are
200 people around,

2007
01:42:35,821 --> 01:42:37,862
and half of it is being
created six months later

2008
01:42:37,862 --> 01:42:41,570
and half of it
was six months before.

2009
01:42:41,570 --> 01:42:43,320
<font color="#804040">Koepp:</font>
When he made
"Jurassic Park,"

2010
01:42:43,320 --> 01:42:45,071
there was no guarantee
that it would work.

2011
01:42:45,071 --> 01:42:47,862
That could easily
have been a disaster.

2012
01:42:47,862 --> 01:42:52,529
But it was the right ratio
of excitement and fear
for Steven.

2013
01:42:52,529 --> 01:42:55,195
Doing a movie
has to scare you
a little bit.

2014
01:42:55,195 --> 01:42:58,237
Otherwise,
you're not pushing it.

2015
01:42:58,237 --> 01:42:59,904
"Schindler's List,"
which seems--

2016
01:42:59,904 --> 01:43:01,987
clearly, that should have
been a movie now--

2017
01:43:01,987 --> 01:43:05,403
was a three-hour
black-and-white movie
about the Holocaust.

2018
01:43:05,403 --> 01:43:10,946
In the halls of Universal,
that was-- that was crazy.

2019
01:43:10,946 --> 01:43:12,612
That was not--

2020
01:43:12,612 --> 01:43:15,654
who green lights
that movie, you know?

2021
01:43:15,654 --> 01:43:20,153
It was as big a risk
as CG dinosaurs.
Bigger.

2022
01:43:20,153 --> 01:43:23,278
You're saying
"All my credibility
as a fantasy filmmaker--

2023
01:43:23,278 --> 01:43:26,362
I'm gonna risk all that
on CG dinosaurs.

2024
01:43:26,362 --> 01:43:28,821
And all my credibility
as an artist,

2025
01:43:28,821 --> 01:43:30,529
I'm gonna put
on the line, too.

2026
01:43:30,529 --> 01:43:33,112
And I'm gonna do it all
over the course of 12 months.

2027
01:43:33,112 --> 01:43:35,278
Fingers crossed."

2028
01:43:35,278 --> 01:43:36,779
They seem obvious now.

2029
01:43:36,779 --> 01:43:40,237
They were by no means
guarantees.

2030
01:43:40,237 --> 01:43:43,612
And that must have been
a really terrifying period,

2031
01:43:43,612 --> 01:43:46,779
because you really are
pushing all your chips
into the middle of the table

2032
01:43:46,779 --> 01:43:48,654
at that point.

2033
01:43:48,654 --> 01:43:50,445
Of course, it turned out
very well for Steven,

2034
01:43:50,445 --> 01:43:52,612
giving him
one of the strangest

2035
01:43:52,612 --> 01:43:56,071
and most astoundingly
successful years of any
film director, ever.

2036
01:43:56,071 --> 01:43:59,029
<font color="#804040">The Brain:</font>
This is my greatest
technological masterpiece--

2037
01:43:59,029 --> 01:44:01,779
the Schpiel-Borg 2000.

2038
01:44:01,779 --> 01:44:03,779
I spared no expense.

2039
01:44:03,779 --> 01:44:05,403
Your play pal, Pinky,

2040
01:44:05,403 --> 01:44:08,779
is actually
an extremely advanced
cybernetic clone

2041
01:44:08,779 --> 01:44:12,029
of one of Hollywood's
most powerful figures.

2042
01:44:12,029 --> 01:44:14,987
And if his box office numbers
are any indication,

2043
01:44:14,987 --> 01:44:19,195
he has the potential
to become ruler of the world.

2044
01:44:19,195 --> 01:44:22,403
Steven is the best-known
director in the world, easily.

2045
01:44:22,403 --> 01:44:24,029
<font color="#808080">( thumps )</font>

2046
01:44:24,029 --> 01:44:26,612
- Listen.
- What?

2047
01:44:28,654 --> 01:44:30,320
<font color="#808080">( thunder crashes )</font>

2048
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:31,987
<font color="#808080">( both screaming )</font>

2049
01:44:31,987 --> 01:44:34,071
Steven, you've made
so many films.

2050
01:44:34,071 --> 01:44:36,779
When are you
gonna do the big one?

2051
01:44:36,779 --> 01:44:39,445
<font color="#808080">( laughing )</font> Wow.
What do you mean "big one?"

2052
01:44:39,445 --> 01:44:41,320
Something that clicks
with the public.

2053
01:44:41,320 --> 01:44:42,654
"Something that clicks
with the public."

2054
01:44:42,654 --> 01:44:45,195
<font color="#808080">( reporters clamoring )</font>

2055
01:44:45,195 --> 01:44:47,362
The guy's
an unmistakable force

2056
01:44:47,362 --> 01:44:49,237
in the business
of making movies.

2057
01:44:49,237 --> 01:44:51,403
Running a company,
being an executive producer,

2058
01:44:51,403 --> 01:44:53,362
being a producer,
and being a director.

2059
01:44:53,362 --> 01:44:57,195
<font color="#804040">Robert Zemeckis:</font>
For a filmmaker, you can't
have a better producer

2060
01:44:57,195 --> 01:44:59,195
than one of the greatest
directors in the world.

2061
01:44:59,195 --> 01:45:02,529
He really nurtures
young talent coming up.

2062
01:45:02,529 --> 01:45:05,029
It's a pretty amazing
roster.

2063
01:45:07,779 --> 01:45:10,445
He's also a major figure
in the television business.

2064
01:45:10,445 --> 01:45:11,862
He started a restaurant.

2065
01:45:11,862 --> 01:45:14,153
Dive!
Submarine sandwiches.

2066
01:45:14,153 --> 01:45:16,529
The man was, like, doing
27 things at once

2067
01:45:16,529 --> 01:45:19,821
and being perfectly
unselfconscious about it.

2068
01:45:19,821 --> 01:45:22,362
How many hats
does that man wear?
It's impossible.

2069
01:45:22,362 --> 01:45:24,071
<font color="#804040">Parkes:</font>
He once told me,
"When I'm at a buffet,

2070
01:45:24,071 --> 01:45:27,278
I like to have
too much food
on my plate."

2071
01:45:27,278 --> 01:45:29,570
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

2072
01:45:29,570 --> 01:45:32,112
<font color="#804040">Holly Hunter:</font>
He will be in production
on a movie,

2073
01:45:32,112 --> 01:45:34,278
doing preproduction
for another movie,

2074
01:45:34,278 --> 01:45:35,946
and editing yet a third.

2075
01:45:35,946 --> 01:45:37,904
He's got a lot
of different channels.

2076
01:45:37,904 --> 01:45:39,153
You know, me,
I have a list.

2077
01:45:39,153 --> 01:45:40,403
You know,
"change light bulbs,"

2078
01:45:40,403 --> 01:45:42,029
and that's on there
for a week.

2079
01:45:42,029 --> 01:45:44,153
No, he gets
a lot accomplished.

2080
01:45:44,153 --> 01:45:47,278
<font color="#804040">Tom Brokaw:</font>
Three of Hollywood's richest,
most powerful boy wonders

2081
01:45:47,278 --> 01:45:50,071
teamed up today to create
a movie studio,

2082
01:45:50,071 --> 01:45:53,195
Hollywood's first
major new independent studio

2083
01:45:53,195 --> 01:45:54,237
in almost half a century.

2084
01:45:56,278 --> 01:45:58,362
<font color="#804040">Geffen:</font>
I don't think Steven
really fears anything.

2085
01:45:58,362 --> 01:46:01,112
He's always ready to go
and do something new.

2086
01:46:03,112 --> 01:46:06,320
<font color="#804040">Jeffrey Katzenberg:</font>
No one can consume
information,

2087
01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:09,195
be in so many places
so effortlessly.

2088
01:46:09,195 --> 01:46:12,320
It used to make me crazy
if a screenplay came in,

2089
01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:14,445
that, you know,
we were all waiting for,

2090
01:46:14,445 --> 01:46:16,612
no matter what,
I could never get home

2091
01:46:16,612 --> 01:46:18,654
and get it read
before him.

2092
01:46:20,278 --> 01:46:22,403
<font color="#804040">Dustin Hoffman:</font>
To be that talented,

2093
01:46:22,403 --> 01:46:27,403
to be that successful
almost in a mythological way,

2094
01:46:27,403 --> 01:46:29,112
your jaw drops.

2095
01:46:29,112 --> 01:46:30,570
Many times
you see the person

2096
01:46:30,570 --> 01:46:35,153
incorporating their success
into their personality.

2097
01:46:35,153 --> 01:46:38,904
There's a sense
of self-importance.

2098
01:46:38,904 --> 01:46:41,487
And it's the opposite
with Steven.

2099
01:46:41,487 --> 01:46:44,946
Steven's like a guy who works
for Steven Spielberg.

2100
01:46:46,779 --> 01:46:48,904
- <font color="#808080">( water splashing )</font>
- <font color="#808080">( children laughing )</font>

2101
01:46:48,904 --> 01:46:52,487
- <font color="#808080">( Spielberg vocalizing
"Jaws" theme )</font>
<font color="#804040">- Girl:</font> Shark!

2102
01:46:52,487 --> 01:46:54,654
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
A day of pure bliss,
for me,

2103
01:46:54,654 --> 01:46:56,612
is a day where
I'm with my family.

2104
01:46:56,612 --> 01:46:59,779
I've got my eyes closed,
they're swimming in the pool,

2105
01:46:59,779 --> 01:47:01,862
- and I just
listen to their voices.
<font color="#804040">- Spielberg:</font> One more time.

2106
01:47:01,862 --> 01:47:04,237
That's great, Theo.
That was the best one.

2107
01:47:04,237 --> 01:47:06,403
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I never knew I was going
to have a big family.

2108
01:47:06,403 --> 01:47:08,153
That took me
completely by surprise.

2109
01:47:08,153 --> 01:47:10,403
Kate never thought she'd have
a big family either.

2110
01:47:10,403 --> 01:47:14,779
So, the natural evolution
in our life was a gift.

2111
01:47:14,779 --> 01:47:16,654
- <font color="#808080">( girl yelps )</font>
<font color="#804040">- Spielberg:</font> Jessica
is my oldest,

2112
01:47:16,654 --> 01:47:19,403
and then Max,
and then Theo after that,

2113
01:47:19,403 --> 01:47:22,403
and then Sasha,
and then Sawyer,

2114
01:47:22,403 --> 01:47:24,779
and then Mikaela,
and then Destry.

2115
01:47:24,779 --> 01:47:26,654
<font color="#804040">- Woman:</font> Whoo-hoo!
- <font color="#808080">( squeals )</font>

2116
01:47:26,654 --> 01:47:29,487
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
Kate is a force
in my life.

2117
01:47:29,487 --> 01:47:31,071
There's such an honesty
about her

2118
01:47:31,071 --> 01:47:32,737
and an awareness
of the world.

2119
01:47:32,737 --> 01:47:34,362
And I think
the authenticity

2120
01:47:34,362 --> 01:47:37,612
of the kinds of movies
I began to make

2121
01:47:37,612 --> 01:47:40,779
after Katie and I
got together

2122
01:47:40,779 --> 01:47:44,487
had to do with bringing
a kind of truth into my life

2123
01:47:44,487 --> 01:47:47,987
where truth began
to upstage make-believe.

2124
01:47:47,987 --> 01:47:49,445
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
Okay, turn the camera on.

2125
01:47:49,445 --> 01:47:51,695
- Roll.
<font color="#804040">- Man:</font> Okay, do it.

2126
01:47:51,695 --> 01:47:53,362
Marker.

2127
01:47:53,362 --> 01:47:54,946
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
You know, I've turned down

2128
01:47:54,946 --> 01:47:58,403
a lot of very successful
movie franchises

2129
01:47:58,403 --> 01:48:01,612
that 10 years before I would've
jumped at the chance to direct.

2130
01:48:01,612 --> 01:48:03,695
But it wasn't
the kind of legacy

2131
01:48:03,695 --> 01:48:06,195
I want to leave behind
for my kids.

2132
01:48:27,612 --> 01:48:29,737
<font color="#804040">Hanks:</font>
Steven wanted
"Saving Private Ryan"

2133
01:48:29,737 --> 01:48:34,278
to be a different
kind of very tactile
and personal war movie.

2134
01:48:34,278 --> 01:48:36,237
We had no idea
that Omaha Beach

2135
01:48:36,237 --> 01:48:39,987
was gonna be what it was like
when we started.

2136
01:48:39,987 --> 01:48:42,320
He did not describe
anything to us.

2137
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:44,237
He was playing
with our sense of confusion

2138
01:48:44,237 --> 01:48:45,862
and panic and fear,

2139
01:48:45,862 --> 01:48:48,112
capturing the moment
of our own shock,

2140
01:48:48,112 --> 01:48:51,403
or our surprise,
or our own blankness.

2141
01:48:51,403 --> 01:48:53,737
And the difference
between standing around
before we're shooting

2142
01:48:53,737 --> 01:48:55,987
and saying,
"Hey, ready to do this?
Nice to meet you. Here we go.

2143
01:48:55,987 --> 01:48:57,612
Can you swim?
You can't swim?

2144
01:48:57,612 --> 01:49:00,278
You better, because you're
in a Steven Spielberg movie.

2145
01:49:00,278 --> 01:49:03,695
You better..."
So, we're talking like that.

2146
01:49:03,695 --> 01:49:05,487
And then it opened up

2147
01:49:05,487 --> 01:49:09,821
and all the powers
of physical moviemaking
went berserk.

2148
01:49:09,821 --> 01:49:11,946
- <font color="#808080">( loud whirring )</font>
- <font color="#808080">( men shouting )</font>

2149
01:49:11,946 --> 01:49:14,695
<font color="#808080">( rapid gunfire )</font>

2150
01:49:14,695 --> 01:49:16,612
<font color="#808080">( explosion )</font>

2151
01:49:21,862 --> 01:49:23,612
<font color="#808080">( rapid gunfire )</font>

2152
01:49:28,320 --> 01:49:30,153
Over the side!

2153
01:49:30,153 --> 01:49:32,112
<font color="#808080">( gunfire continues )</font>

2154
01:49:36,362 --> 01:49:38,487
- <font color="#808080">( bullets whizzing )</font>
- Over the side, boys!

2155
01:49:47,112 --> 01:49:49,403
<font color="#808080">( bullets whizzing )</font>

2156
01:49:49,403 --> 01:49:51,821
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I tried very, very hard
to put the audience

2157
01:49:51,821 --> 01:49:55,904
as close to the experience
as I possibly knew how to do

2158
01:49:55,904 --> 01:49:58,821
so there wouldn't ever be
a safe feeling

2159
01:49:58,821 --> 01:50:00,445
in the audience.

2160
01:50:00,445 --> 01:50:02,153
And when you narrow
that distance--

2161
01:50:02,153 --> 01:50:04,654
if you're successful
in narrowing the distance,

2162
01:50:04,654 --> 01:50:08,445
then the audience
really becomes those characters.

2163
01:50:08,445 --> 01:50:09,320
<font color="#808080">( rapid gunfire )</font>

2164
01:50:10,445 --> 01:50:11,320
<font color="#808080">( rapid gunfire )</font>

2165
01:50:14,904 --> 01:50:15,987
<font color="#808080">( rapid gunfire )</font>

2166
01:50:17,112 --> 01:50:19,529
Come on.

2167
01:50:19,529 --> 01:50:22,695
<font color="#804040">Edelstein:</font>
In "Saving  Private Ryan,"
Spielberg understood

2168
01:50:22,695 --> 01:50:25,612
the expressionistic
possibilities of sound.

2169
01:50:25,612 --> 01:50:28,071
- <font color="#808080">( bullets whizzing )</font>
- <font color="#808080">( men shouting )</font>

2170
01:50:28,071 --> 01:50:30,779
<font color="#804040">Edelstein:</font>
You could hear the bullets
streaking along.

2171
01:50:30,779 --> 01:50:33,278
You can hear them
penetrate the flesh

2172
01:50:33,278 --> 01:50:35,278
and ravage these bodies.

2173
01:50:35,278 --> 01:50:37,987
You felt what it was like
to have your ears ringing

2174
01:50:37,987 --> 01:50:41,195
in the midst of this
and be completely disoriented.

2175
01:50:41,195 --> 01:50:43,237
<font color="#808080">( explosion )</font>

2176
01:50:43,237 --> 01:50:45,237
<font color="#808080">( sound fades )</font>

2177
01:50:48,612 --> 01:50:50,987
<font color="#804040">Edelstein:</font>
The sheer intensity
of that scene,

2178
01:50:50,987 --> 01:50:52,737
the visceral element,

2179
01:50:52,737 --> 01:50:55,362
not just metaphorically,
but literally,

2180
01:50:55,362 --> 01:50:58,862
is like nothing-- nothing
that had been put
on film before.

2181
01:51:02,278 --> 01:51:05,237
<font color="#808080">( rapid gunfire )</font>

2182
01:51:05,237 --> 01:51:08,403
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I decided to shoot the entire
Omaha Beach sequence

2183
01:51:08,403 --> 01:51:10,237
in complete continuity,

2184
01:51:10,237 --> 01:51:12,904
not knowing
what was gonna come next.

2185
01:51:12,904 --> 01:51:15,403
And all my cameramen
were given instruction

2186
01:51:15,403 --> 01:51:18,779
to be spontaneous
in what they decided to shoot,

2187
01:51:18,779 --> 01:51:21,029
just like a documentary
cameraman would.

2188
01:51:21,029 --> 01:51:24,695
And for, like, 27 days,
we literally took the beach

2189
01:51:24,695 --> 01:51:27,529
as filmmakers,
one yard at a time.

2190
01:51:27,529 --> 01:51:29,071
- <font color="#808080">( gunfire )</font>
- <font color="#808080">( men shouting )</font>

2191
01:51:31,278 --> 01:51:35,071
Mama! Mama!

2192
01:51:35,071 --> 01:51:37,112
<font color="#804040">Maslin:</font>
"Saving Private Ryan"
revealed

2193
01:51:37,112 --> 01:51:39,737
certain visceral truths
about war

2194
01:51:39,737 --> 01:51:42,195
that people were not
gonna learn from books.

2195
01:51:42,195 --> 01:51:44,779
They were not gonna learn
from documentaries.

2196
01:51:44,779 --> 01:51:46,987
That was him
at the height of his powers

2197
01:51:46,987 --> 01:51:49,195
doing something
that nobody else could do.

2198
01:51:49,195 --> 01:51:52,362
- <font color="#808080">( gunfire )</font>
<font color="#804040">- Hanks:</font> The first time
we talked about the movie,

2199
01:51:52,362 --> 01:51:56,403
he said, "I can't wait
to shoot that machine gun nest
at the radar installation."

2200
01:51:56,403 --> 01:51:58,445
He had already mapped
this thing out in his mind,

2201
01:51:58,445 --> 01:52:01,529
and when we got
to the location,
there was one problem--

2202
01:52:01,529 --> 01:52:03,487
the sun wasn't
in the right place.

2203
01:52:03,487 --> 01:52:07,071
Steven had thought
the set was built this way,

2204
01:52:07,071 --> 01:52:08,779
but it was built
this way.

2205
01:52:08,779 --> 01:52:10,695
So, he could not shoot it,
because the sun

2206
01:52:10,695 --> 01:52:12,779
was not going to give him
the light that he wanted.

2207
01:52:12,779 --> 01:52:16,071
And he was mad,
perhaps with himself
or perhaps with someone

2208
01:52:16,071 --> 01:52:18,403
who didn't tell him
what the compass points were.

2209
01:52:18,403 --> 01:52:20,654
So, he went on a walk,
and when he comes back,

2210
01:52:20,654 --> 01:52:22,278
he says, "Okay, I know
how I'm gonna shoot it."

2211
01:52:22,278 --> 01:52:25,445
- <font color="#808080">( panting )</font>
- <font color="#808080">( rapid gunfire )</font>

2212
01:52:25,445 --> 01:52:27,487
And it's a different
perspective

2213
01:52:27,487 --> 01:52:30,487
from any other assault
that we had shot in the film.

2214
01:52:30,487 --> 01:52:31,987
<font color="#808080">( explosion )</font>

2215
01:52:31,987 --> 01:52:34,487
And if you're not Steven,

2216
01:52:34,487 --> 01:52:36,487
if you don't have
this lifetime

2217
01:52:36,487 --> 01:52:39,487
of cinematic language
in your head,

2218
01:52:39,487 --> 01:52:41,487
that's a different
kind of day.

2219
01:52:41,487 --> 01:52:45,153
But because his eye
is so connected to his brain

2220
01:52:45,153 --> 01:52:47,112
and every movie
that he's ever seen

2221
01:52:47,112 --> 01:52:48,654
and every movie
that he's ever made,

2222
01:52:48,654 --> 01:52:49,987
he just went out
and said,

2223
01:52:49,987 --> 01:52:52,403
"Here's how we're gonna
do this, and that's it."

2224
01:52:52,403 --> 01:52:53,821
Incredible.

2225
01:52:53,821 --> 01:52:55,821
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

2226
01:53:03,320 --> 01:53:06,821
<font color="#804040">Anne:</font>
"Saving Private Ryan"
was in honor of the veterans,

2227
01:53:06,821 --> 01:53:10,112
and I think a bit of a homage
to my father

2228
01:53:10,112 --> 01:53:12,362
who flew missions
during WWII.

2229
01:53:12,362 --> 01:53:15,862
He wasn't in Europe.
He was in India and Burma.

2230
01:53:15,862 --> 01:53:18,987
When I was a kid,
my dad was telling
WWII stories all the time.

2231
01:53:18,987 --> 01:53:21,029
His veteran friends
would come over to the house

2232
01:53:21,029 --> 01:53:22,529
and I'd listen to them
tell war stories.

2233
01:53:22,529 --> 01:53:24,403
So, WWII,
that greatest generation,

2234
01:53:24,403 --> 01:53:28,946
became something that I wished
I could be part of.

2235
01:53:28,946 --> 01:53:31,487
<font color="#804040">Lucas:</font> Steven had
a complicated relationship
with his father,

2236
01:53:31,487 --> 01:53:35,362
but he was starting
to reconnect and realize

2237
01:53:35,362 --> 01:53:38,195
that his first impressions
of a lot of the things he had

2238
01:53:38,195 --> 01:53:39,737
weren't necessarily true.

2239
01:53:39,737 --> 01:53:41,695
It was complex for me
for a long time,

2240
01:53:41,695 --> 01:53:45,237
but at least
I had a art form

2241
01:53:45,237 --> 01:53:48,071
that I could
filter it through.

2242
01:53:48,071 --> 01:53:49,403
At least I had that.

2243
01:53:49,403 --> 01:53:53,153
If movies did
anything for me, it--

2244
01:53:53,153 --> 01:53:57,403
I've avoided therapy
because movies are my therapy.

2245
01:54:00,612 --> 01:54:02,654
Junior?

2246
01:54:02,654 --> 01:54:05,320
- Yes, sir.
<font color="#804040">- Spielberg:</font> And this
father-son obsession

2247
01:54:05,320 --> 01:54:07,195
I've had in my movies
obviously speaks

2248
01:54:07,195 --> 01:54:13,237
to a great deal of feelings
that I've been carrying with me

2249
01:54:13,237 --> 01:54:15,946
that I want
to unburden myself of,
and I have.

2250
01:54:15,946 --> 01:54:19,071
Do you remember
the last time we had
a quiet drink?

2251
01:54:19,071 --> 01:54:21,320
Huh?

2252
01:54:21,320 --> 01:54:23,654
I had a milkshake.

2253
01:54:23,654 --> 01:54:25,821
Hmm? What did
we talk about?

2254
01:54:25,821 --> 01:54:27,779
- <font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>
- <font color="#808080">( chatter )</font>

2255
01:54:27,779 --> 01:54:30,320
We didn't talk.

2256
01:54:30,320 --> 01:54:32,071
We never talked.

2257
01:54:32,071 --> 01:54:33,529
<font color="#804040">Maslin:</font>
The absent father

2258
01:54:33,529 --> 01:54:35,529
has haunted Steven
throughout his life,

2259
01:54:35,529 --> 01:54:39,779
and he has fictionalized it
in all kinds of ways on film.

2260
01:54:39,779 --> 01:54:42,821
It's the heart of him.

2261
01:54:42,821 --> 01:54:44,403
<font color="#804040">Arnold:</font>
Although I liked
the movies,

2262
01:54:44,403 --> 01:54:46,320
I noticed the absence
of the father

2263
01:54:46,320 --> 01:54:48,237
quite significantly.

2264
01:54:48,237 --> 01:54:50,987
For a long time,
Steven was very mad at me.

2265
01:54:50,987 --> 01:54:52,403
There he is.

2266
01:54:52,403 --> 01:54:54,987
<font color="#808080">( music blaring
over headphones )</font>

2267
01:54:54,987 --> 01:54:57,987
- Get a hug?
<font color="#804040">- Arnold:</font> I was hurt by it,
but quietly hurt.

2268
01:54:57,987 --> 01:55:00,487
Confusing handshake?
Kick in the teeth?

2269
01:55:00,487 --> 01:55:02,237
<font color="#804040">Arnold:</font>
I didn't broach it
with Steven.

2270
01:55:02,237 --> 01:55:06,153
I just ate it up
a little bit

2271
01:55:06,153 --> 01:55:08,320
and hurt a little bit.

2272
01:55:08,320 --> 01:55:12,195
- <font color="#808080">( gasps )</font>
- I thought I had
lost you, boy.

2273
01:55:12,195 --> 01:55:14,821
<font color="#808080">( sighs )</font>
I thought
you had too, sir.

2274
01:55:14,821 --> 01:55:17,570
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
My dad and I finally
resolved our differences,

2275
01:55:17,570 --> 01:55:22,195
and we're probably closer now
than we ever were before.

2276
01:55:22,195 --> 01:55:24,403
<font color="#804040">Arnold:</font>
When he made
"Saving Private Ryan,"

2277
01:55:24,403 --> 01:55:26,779
he said,
"I made this for my dad."

2278
01:55:26,779 --> 01:55:28,237
And that was wonderful.

2279
01:55:28,237 --> 01:55:31,153
That made me feel warm
right here.

2280
01:55:42,195 --> 01:55:43,779
<font color="#808080">( horn beeping )</font>

2281
01:55:45,987 --> 01:55:49,821
<font color="#804040">Lawrence Kasdan:</font>
Steven has always had
a big vision

2282
01:55:49,821 --> 01:55:52,487
of what movies can be.

2283
01:55:54,487 --> 01:55:57,403
He's an American moviemaker.

2284
01:55:57,403 --> 01:56:01,862
And it's not
starry-eyed patriotism.

2285
01:56:01,862 --> 01:56:03,529
<font color="#804040">Woman:</font>
Animals!

2286
01:56:03,529 --> 01:56:06,071
<font color="#804040">Kasdan:</font>
He is drawn
to all the themes

2287
01:56:06,071 --> 01:56:09,737
that are inherent
in the American character

2288
01:56:09,737 --> 01:56:13,362
and the American society
and how it developed.

2289
01:56:13,362 --> 01:56:15,362
<font color="#804040">Insdorf:</font>
There are people struggling

2290
01:56:15,362 --> 01:56:18,987
in one way or another
for freedom in these movies.

2291
01:56:18,987 --> 01:56:23,737
Give... us free.

2292
01:56:23,737 --> 01:56:25,862
He doesn't take freedom
for granted.

2293
01:56:27,278 --> 01:56:29,570
<font color="#804040">Kaminski:</font>
Liberty and equality,

2294
01:56:29,570 --> 01:56:31,946
the Constitution,

2295
01:56:31,946 --> 01:56:33,529
and the rights
of the individual.

2296
01:56:33,529 --> 01:56:35,071
<font color="#808080">( cheering )</font>

2297
01:56:35,071 --> 01:56:37,904
<font color="#804040">Kaminski:</font>
He's evolved
as a filmmaker.

2298
01:56:37,904 --> 01:56:41,403
"Amistad" and "Lincoln"
and "Bridge of Spies"

2299
01:56:41,403 --> 01:56:43,029
are all about
the rule of law.

2300
01:56:43,029 --> 01:56:45,904
They're all about
the rights of even people

2301
01:56:45,904 --> 01:56:49,153
who are either brought here
against their will

2302
01:56:49,153 --> 01:56:53,904
or come here to be a soldier
in an opposing army

2303
01:56:53,904 --> 01:56:55,570
and are caught.

2304
01:56:55,570 --> 01:56:58,320
The law fully covers
everyone.

2305
01:56:58,320 --> 01:56:59,612
<font color="#804040">Tom:</font>
We were supposed to show

2306
01:56:59,612 --> 01:57:01,946
he had a capable defense,
which we did.

2307
01:57:01,946 --> 01:57:04,612
Why are you citing
the goddamn Constitution
at me?

2308
01:57:04,612 --> 01:57:06,195
Tom, if you look me
in the eye

2309
01:57:06,195 --> 01:57:08,071
and tell me
we don't have grounds

2310
01:57:08,071 --> 01:57:09,445
for an appeal,
I'll drop it right now.

2311
01:57:09,445 --> 01:57:11,695
I'm not saying that.
You know what I'm saying.

2312
01:57:11,695 --> 01:57:13,695
Tom is saying
there's a cost
to these things.

2313
01:57:13,695 --> 01:57:15,570
That's right.

2314
01:57:15,570 --> 01:57:18,570
A cost to both
your family and your firm.

2315
01:57:18,570 --> 01:57:20,237
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I really believe
in this country,

2316
01:57:20,237 --> 01:57:21,737
and I always have.

2317
01:57:21,737 --> 01:57:23,946
And it just resonated
throughout my work--

2318
01:57:23,946 --> 01:57:25,821
wanting to tell
American stories,

2319
01:57:25,821 --> 01:57:28,612
wanting to tell stories
about principled,
ethical people

2320
01:57:28,612 --> 01:57:30,445
who, against all advice

2321
01:57:30,445 --> 01:57:33,654
and against
most everyone else's
better judgment,

2322
01:57:33,654 --> 01:57:36,529
just proceed to do
the right thing.

2323
01:57:36,529 --> 01:57:40,654
I'm sure that sounds like
I'm this kind of, you know,

2324
01:57:40,654 --> 01:57:44,779
idealist or some sort
of a patriot,

2325
01:57:44,779 --> 01:57:46,779
but I am a patriot.

2326
01:57:46,779 --> 01:57:49,362
And I'm somewhat
of an idealist, too.

2327
01:57:49,362 --> 01:57:52,445
Say all we done
is show the world

2328
01:57:52,445 --> 01:57:54,779
that democracy
isn't chaos.

2329
01:57:57,487 --> 01:58:01,112
That there is a great
invisible strength

2330
01:58:01,112 --> 01:58:03,071
in a people's union.

2331
01:58:03,071 --> 01:58:05,654
Say we've shown
that a people can endure

2332
01:58:05,654 --> 01:58:09,403
awful sacrifice
and yet cohere.

2333
01:58:09,403 --> 01:58:12,071
Mightn't that save
at least the idea
of democracy,

2334
01:58:12,071 --> 01:58:14,445
to aspire to?

2335
01:58:14,445 --> 01:58:17,278
Eventually to become
worthy of?

2336
01:58:17,278 --> 01:58:19,320
<font color="#804040">Daniel Day-Lewis:</font>
The first thing that
you have to overcome

2337
01:58:19,320 --> 01:58:21,445
is the reluctance
to even approach Lincoln

2338
01:58:21,445 --> 01:58:23,987
because he's such
a mighty figure.

2339
01:58:23,987 --> 01:58:26,821
His experience as a president
was in, you know,

2340
01:58:26,821 --> 01:58:29,987
one of the greatest crises
that this country's ever known.

2341
01:58:29,987 --> 01:58:32,904
And so, undoubtedly,
of course,

2342
01:58:32,904 --> 01:58:36,737
he made decisions that were
extremely unpalatable

2343
01:58:36,737 --> 01:58:38,487
to many, many people.

2344
01:58:38,487 --> 01:58:42,529
We are
absolutely guaranteed
to lose the whole thing.

2345
01:58:42,529 --> 01:58:45,737
We don't need a goddamned
abolition amendment.

2346
01:58:45,737 --> 01:58:48,071
Leave the Constitution
alone!

2347
01:58:48,071 --> 01:58:50,195
<font color="#804040">James:</font>
...peace commissioners
appear today, or--

2348
01:58:50,195 --> 01:58:51,695
<font color="#808080">( overlapping voices )</font>

2349
01:58:51,695 --> 01:58:53,029
<font color="#808080">( argument stops )</font>

2350
01:58:54,278 --> 01:58:57,029
I can't listen
to this anymore.

2351
01:58:58,654 --> 01:59:01,946
I can't accomplish
a goddamn thing

2352
01:59:01,946 --> 01:59:04,403
of any human
meaning or worth

2353
01:59:04,403 --> 01:59:08,195
until we cure
ourselves of slavery

2354
01:59:08,195 --> 01:59:11,737
and end
this pestilential war!

2355
01:59:11,737 --> 01:59:15,153
And whether any of you
or anyone else knows it,

2356
01:59:15,153 --> 01:59:17,737
I know I need this!

2357
01:59:17,737 --> 01:59:21,237
This amendment
is that cure!

2358
01:59:21,237 --> 01:59:23,153
Steven worked a long time

2359
01:59:23,153 --> 01:59:25,612
to find where the story was
to tell it.

2360
01:59:25,612 --> 01:59:29,445
<font color="#804040">Kushner:</font> And it took guts
for Steven to make a movie
about Abraham Lincoln

2361
01:59:29,445 --> 01:59:33,737
in which Lincoln
shares top billing with
the House of Representatives.

2362
01:59:33,737 --> 01:59:36,153
<font color="#804040">Doris Kearns Goodwin:</font>
He had faith that if he told
a story

2363
01:59:36,153 --> 01:59:39,403
that is about democracy
and it's about messiness
and politics--

2364
01:59:39,403 --> 01:59:41,570
and people
are on different sides
of the issue,

2365
01:59:41,570 --> 01:59:43,570
and people
who were Democrats then
are Republicans now,

2366
01:59:43,570 --> 01:59:45,112
and Republicans now
were Democrats then,

2367
01:59:45,112 --> 01:59:47,737
was pretty confusing
for people to get a sense

2368
01:59:47,737 --> 01:59:49,403
right away
of what the story was.

2369
01:59:49,403 --> 01:59:52,112
But he somehow thought
if the American people

2370
01:59:52,112 --> 01:59:54,529
can feel this man
and feel what he was doing,

2371
01:59:54,529 --> 01:59:57,570
they'll see what democracy is
when it really works.

2372
01:59:57,570 --> 01:59:59,821
<font color="#804040">Schuyler:</font>
A motion has been made
to bring the bill

2373
01:59:59,821 --> 02:00:02,153
for the 13th Amendment
to a vote.

2374
02:00:02,153 --> 02:00:04,153
- Do I hear a second?
- I second the motion.

2375
02:00:04,153 --> 02:00:06,445
- <font color="#808080">( gravel bangs )</font>
- So moved, so ordered.

2376
02:00:06,445 --> 02:00:09,821
And in the end,
it's not Lincoln's triumph

2377
02:00:09,821 --> 02:00:12,112
that's pushed to the fore
in the film.

2378
02:00:12,112 --> 02:00:13,987
I think what's really
pushed to the fore

2379
02:00:13,987 --> 02:00:16,445
is that it's a triumph
of democracy.

2380
02:00:16,445 --> 02:00:20,737
The part assigned to me
is to raise the flag.

2381
02:00:20,737 --> 02:00:25,654
And when up,
it'll be for the people
to keep it up.

2382
02:00:28,403 --> 02:00:29,695
That's my speech.

2383
02:00:29,695 --> 02:00:32,779
<font color="#808080">( crowd laughing,
applauding )</font>

2384
02:00:32,779 --> 02:00:35,654
<font color="#808080">♪ We are coming,
Father Abraham ♪</font>

2385
02:00:35,654 --> 02:00:37,612
<font color="#808080">♪ 300,000 more ♪</font>

2386
02:00:37,612 --> 02:00:40,071
<font color="#808080">♪ From Mississippi's
winding stream ♪</font>

2387
02:00:40,071 --> 02:00:42,362
<font color="#808080">♪ And from
New England's shore ♪</font>

2388
02:00:42,362 --> 02:00:44,987
<font color="#808080">♪ We leave
our ploughs... ♪</font>

2389
02:00:44,987 --> 02:00:46,946
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

2390
02:00:51,654 --> 02:00:54,153
<font color="#808080">( moaning )</font>
Oh, yeah!

2391
02:00:54,153 --> 02:00:55,278
<font color="#808080">( chattering )</font>

2392
02:00:58,153 --> 02:00:59,779
<font color="#804040">Todd McCarthy:</font>
From about the time

2393
02:00:59,779 --> 02:01:01,821
of the millennium
in Spielberg's career,

2394
02:01:01,821 --> 02:01:06,237
there is something,
whether it's personal,
political, historical,

2395
02:01:06,237 --> 02:01:10,278
that pushed him
in a more adventurous
and a darker direction.

2396
02:01:10,278 --> 02:01:12,071
I fundamentally
don't buy

2397
02:01:12,071 --> 02:01:14,654
that he has
a pessimistic worldview

2398
02:01:14,654 --> 02:01:19,071
or that he suddenly changed
and has a more dubious opinion

2399
02:01:19,071 --> 02:01:21,821
of the human race,
but still,

2400
02:01:21,821 --> 02:01:24,695
there's been
an alteration.

2401
02:01:24,695 --> 02:01:27,195
He has been willing
to go places

2402
02:01:27,195 --> 02:01:30,320
that he would not have gone
in his earlier films.

2403
02:01:31,362 --> 02:01:33,737
<font color="#808080">( chatter on TV )</font>

2404
02:01:35,320 --> 02:01:37,570
All right, Howard Marks.
Where are you?

2405
02:01:37,570 --> 02:01:40,029
It was a very complicated
story, "Minority Report."

2406
02:01:40,029 --> 02:01:41,654
A very dark story,
actually.

2407
02:01:41,654 --> 02:01:44,195
You know, democracy,
freedom of choice,

2408
02:01:44,195 --> 02:01:46,612
corruption.

2409
02:01:46,612 --> 02:01:48,987
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
That dark, futuristic
dystopian tone

2410
02:01:48,987 --> 02:01:51,403
was so compelling for me
at that time.

2411
02:01:51,403 --> 02:01:53,362
<font color="#804040">Kushner:</font>
Tennessee Williams
says that artists

2412
02:01:53,362 --> 02:01:55,570
are like the canaries
in the coal mine.

2413
02:01:55,570 --> 02:01:58,112
And Steven has
an uncanny knack

2414
02:01:58,112 --> 02:02:02,153
for feeling what's going on
in the world around him

2415
02:02:02,153 --> 02:02:05,654
and what needs to be said
at its moment.

2416
02:02:05,654 --> 02:02:08,904
I think he's
a very present filmmaker.

2417
02:02:08,904 --> 02:02:11,278
By mandate
of the District of Columbia
Precrime Division,

2418
02:02:11,278 --> 02:02:14,737
I'm placing you under
arrest for the future murder
of Sarah Marks and Donald...

2419
02:02:14,737 --> 02:02:18,278
<font color="#804040">Hoberman:</font>
The film anticipated
the whole post-9/11 mentality

2420
02:02:18,278 --> 02:02:21,278
of arresting people
before they can commit crimes

2421
02:02:21,278 --> 02:02:22,904
and preventive detention
and so on.

2422
02:02:26,987 --> 02:02:28,529
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
But the movie that I made

2423
02:02:28,529 --> 02:02:31,737
that was a real statement
about 9/11

2424
02:02:31,737 --> 02:02:33,071
was "War of the Worlds."

2425
02:02:33,071 --> 02:02:35,029
<font color="#808080">( people screaming )</font>

2426
02:02:37,071 --> 02:02:40,779
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
For me, it began with
what would really happen

2427
02:02:40,779 --> 02:02:42,695
if we were invaded

2428
02:02:42,695 --> 02:02:44,612
and everything
that we thought

2429
02:02:44,612 --> 02:02:47,779
made us invulnerable
to invasion

2430
02:02:47,779 --> 02:02:48,862
was all wrong?

2431
02:02:51,112 --> 02:02:52,987
<font color="#808080">( people screaming )</font>

2432
02:03:00,529 --> 02:03:02,654
<font color="#804040">Koepp:</font>
There's a sequence
where Cruise's character

2433
02:03:02,654 --> 02:03:05,654
runs through the streets
and the ray is turning
people to dust

2434
02:03:05,654 --> 02:03:08,987
and some of that dust
is in his hair.

2435
02:03:08,987 --> 02:03:11,153
And he comes home
and sees himself in shock

2436
02:03:11,153 --> 02:03:14,695
and realizes
that that's remains
that are in his hair.

2437
02:03:14,695 --> 02:03:16,403
- Oh!
- <font color="#808080">( water running )</font>

2438
02:03:16,403 --> 02:03:19,112
<font color="#804040">Koepp:</font>
Steven handled that
with great tact.

2439
02:03:19,112 --> 02:03:21,904
9/11 was so much a part
of our national psyche,

2440
02:03:21,904 --> 02:03:25,153
you didn't have to do much
to evoke the shock we all felt

2441
02:03:25,153 --> 02:03:28,071
and the helplessness
we all felt at being attacked.

2442
02:03:31,570 --> 02:03:34,195
<font color="#808080">( all shouting )</font>

2443
02:03:37,195 --> 02:03:39,946
<font color="#808080">( shouting continues )</font>

2444
02:03:43,612 --> 02:03:45,487
<font color="#808080">( screaming )</font>

2445
02:03:45,487 --> 02:03:49,487
<font color="#808080">( shouting continues )</font>

2446
02:03:49,487 --> 02:03:51,612
Good afternoon.
I'm Jim McKay speaking to you

2447
02:03:51,612 --> 02:03:54,737
live at this moment
from ABC headquarters

2448
02:03:54,737 --> 02:03:58,071
just outside the Olympic Village
in Munich, West Germany.

2449
02:03:58,071 --> 02:04:01,153
The peace of what is--
would've been called
the "Serene Olympics"

2450
02:04:01,153 --> 02:04:04,779
was shattered just before dawn
this morning about 5:00.

2451
02:04:04,779 --> 02:04:08,029
- <font color="#808080">( chatter )</font>
<font color="#804040">- Kushner:</font> Nobody was
expecting Steven Spielberg,

2452
02:04:08,029 --> 02:04:10,654
maybe the world's
most famous Jewish artist,

2453
02:04:10,654 --> 02:04:12,403
to weigh in
on the Middle East

2454
02:04:12,403 --> 02:04:14,237
because
it's such a minefield,

2455
02:04:14,237 --> 02:04:16,362
and Steven
is not a sensationalist

2456
02:04:16,362 --> 02:04:19,695
in the sense
of wanting to create,

2457
02:04:19,695 --> 02:04:22,445
you know, firestorms
of controversy.

2458
02:04:22,445 --> 02:04:24,904
<font color="#804040">- Jim:</font> This is
building number 31.
- <font color="#808080">( chatter )</font>

2459
02:04:24,904 --> 02:04:26,654
At this moment,

2460
02:04:26,654 --> 02:04:29,862
eight or nine terrified
living human beings

2461
02:04:29,862 --> 02:04:31,737
- are being held prisoner.
- <font color="#808080">( chanting )</font>

2462
02:04:31,737 --> 02:04:34,987
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I felt I could not
make this one-sided.

2463
02:04:34,987 --> 02:04:39,445
And so, I knew
it would be controversial
from the very get-go.

2464
02:04:39,445 --> 02:04:42,362
<font color="#808080">( woman vocalizing )</font>

2465
02:04:51,654 --> 02:04:53,695
- <font color="#808080">( chatter on TV )</font>
- <font color="#808080">( overlapping voices )</font>

2466
02:04:56,071 --> 02:04:59,278
<font color="#804040">Eric Bana:</font>
It was that story
of the group of Mossad agents

2467
02:04:59,278 --> 02:05:01,821
who were assembled
to avenge the deaths

2468
02:05:01,821 --> 02:05:04,862
of the Israeli athletes
at the Munich Olympics.

2469
02:05:08,987 --> 02:05:13,195
It was their job
to go after a list
of targeted men

2470
02:05:13,195 --> 02:05:16,362
who were part
of a terrorist group.

2471
02:05:16,362 --> 02:05:20,320
And it was
their job to, one by one,
assassinate them.

2472
02:05:20,320 --> 02:05:23,821
<font color="#804040">Daniel Craig:</font>
This movie was trying to affect
and turn on a debate.

2473
02:05:23,821 --> 02:05:26,904
Is vengeance the answer?
Does it actually
solve anything?

2474
02:05:26,904 --> 02:05:28,904
If you continue
the cycle of violence

2475
02:05:28,904 --> 02:05:30,737
and cycle of blood,
then...

2476
02:05:30,737 --> 02:05:33,737
that's what they'll be
and nothing else.

2477
02:05:35,904 --> 02:05:38,529
Steven was very keen
to tell a human story,

2478
02:05:38,529 --> 02:05:42,195
that these were men
and not superheroes.

2479
02:05:42,195 --> 02:05:45,403
Their indecision
and their mistakes

2480
02:05:45,403 --> 02:05:48,904
and their-- is the reality
of what happened, you know?

2481
02:05:48,904 --> 02:05:51,612
Life isn't
a "James Bond" movie.
<font color="#808080">( chuckles )</font>

2482
02:05:51,612 --> 02:05:53,237
Are you--
are you Wael Zwaiter?

2483
02:05:53,237 --> 02:05:55,487
He said yes already.
He already said yes.

2484
02:05:55,487 --> 02:05:58,737
<font color="#808080">( speaking Arabic )</font>

2485
02:05:58,737 --> 02:06:00,779
What are we doing?

2486
02:06:00,779 --> 02:06:03,237
<font color="#808080">( speaking Arabic )</font>

2487
02:06:04,737 --> 02:06:06,029
What do I do?

2488
02:06:06,029 --> 02:06:08,112
Do you know
why we're here?

2489
02:06:08,112 --> 02:06:10,654
<font color="#808080">( speaking Arabic )</font>

2490
02:06:18,987 --> 02:06:21,904
<font color="#804040">Hoberman:</font> In "Munich,"
Spielberg is trying
to come to terms

2491
02:06:21,904 --> 02:06:23,987
with the war
against terror.

2492
02:06:23,987 --> 02:06:28,445
And he doesn't know
where he is on it.

2493
02:06:28,445 --> 02:06:30,737
He's-- he supports it,

2494
02:06:30,737 --> 02:06:34,487
but he's also
disturbed by it.

2495
02:06:34,487 --> 02:06:36,529
And so,
that's an example

2496
02:06:36,529 --> 02:06:39,320
of a kind of thoughtfulness
that goes into his work.

2497
02:06:39,320 --> 02:06:43,153
I mean,
he's the Hollywood equivalent
of a public intellectual.

2498
02:06:52,320 --> 02:06:55,987
<font color="#804040">Bana:</font>
I remember when we shot
the telephone bomb sequence.

2499
02:06:57,195 --> 02:06:58,987
In that one dolly shot,

2500
02:06:58,987 --> 02:07:02,237
you got a complete
sense of the geography
of the entire scene.

2501
02:07:04,529 --> 02:07:07,278
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
It took three days
to shoot the scene.

2502
02:07:07,278 --> 02:07:10,320
Everything had to be
from points of view.

2503
02:07:10,320 --> 02:07:12,779
There was the point of view
of the guys in the car.

2504
02:07:12,779 --> 02:07:17,029
So now we wait
for the red light.

2505
02:07:17,029 --> 02:07:20,195
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
There was the point of view
of the man in the phone booth

2506
02:07:20,195 --> 02:07:21,862
who was gonna dial
the number.

2507
02:07:21,862 --> 02:07:24,071
There was a point of view
of Avner.

2508
02:07:24,071 --> 02:07:27,195
It's a triangle
of shots.

2509
02:07:27,195 --> 02:07:29,570
Geography
is one of the most
important things to me,

2510
02:07:29,570 --> 02:07:31,862
so the audience
isn't thrown into chaos

2511
02:07:31,862 --> 02:07:33,654
trying to figure out
the story you're telling.

2512
02:07:33,654 --> 02:07:36,403
The audience needs to be
clearer than you.

2513
02:07:38,779 --> 02:07:40,695
- Is the truck
blocking the signal?
- No.

2514
02:07:40,695 --> 02:07:42,195
Will the remote
still work?

2515
02:07:42,195 --> 02:07:43,862
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I can create suspense

2516
02:07:43,862 --> 02:07:47,237
if the audience knows
where all the players are,

2517
02:07:47,237 --> 02:07:48,821
and they know
what the stakes are,

2518
02:07:48,821 --> 02:07:51,112
and they know
that there's a ticking clock.

2519
02:07:51,112 --> 02:07:53,487
Like the mom and daughter
that get into the car

2520
02:07:53,487 --> 02:07:56,779
and then wind up returning
because she forgot the glasses.

2521
02:07:56,779 --> 02:07:58,362
<font color="#808080">( phone rings )</font>

2522
02:08:05,529 --> 02:08:07,071
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
The suspense
of that sequence

2523
02:08:07,071 --> 02:08:09,529
is letting the audience
know geographically

2524
02:08:09,529 --> 02:08:12,071
where everybody is
at all times.

2525
02:08:12,071 --> 02:08:15,029
Allô? Allô?

2526
02:08:17,362 --> 02:08:18,737
Allô?

2527
02:08:22,237 --> 02:08:24,779
<font color="#808080">( muffled sound )</font>

2528
02:08:27,278 --> 02:08:29,779
<font color="#808080">( siren wailing )</font>

2529
02:08:37,278 --> 02:08:38,320
Stop!

2530
02:08:38,320 --> 02:08:40,821
<font color="#808080">( whispering )</font>
Stop, stop. Abort.

2531
02:08:44,153 --> 02:08:48,278
<font color="#804040">Kushner:</font> You're in the hands
of somebody who will always
show you what you need to see

2532
02:08:48,278 --> 02:08:52,029
in order to understand,
on a narrative level,
what's happening.

2533
02:08:52,029 --> 02:08:54,112
And you'll also see
a lot of things

2534
02:08:54,112 --> 02:08:56,695
that will help you understand
on deeper levels as well.

2535
02:08:56,695 --> 02:09:02,278
And that
sort of narrative device
that's in his head

2536
02:09:02,278 --> 02:09:06,362
is, you know, I think
almost without precedent.

2537
02:09:06,362 --> 02:09:07,987
<font color="#808080">( phone ringing )</font>

2538
02:09:12,153 --> 02:09:14,195
- Oui?
<font color="#804040">- Man:</font> Mahmoud Hamshari?

2539
02:09:14,195 --> 02:09:15,362
Yes.

2540
02:09:15,362 --> 02:09:17,153
<font color="#808080">( explosion )</font>

2541
02:09:22,362 --> 02:09:25,946
<font color="#804040">Kushner:</font>
We talked a great deal
about the politics

2542
02:09:25,946 --> 02:09:27,987
of making a movie
like this.

2543
02:09:27,987 --> 02:09:30,445
How do you make a film
that allows

2544
02:09:30,445 --> 02:09:32,320
for the possibility
of understanding

2545
02:09:32,320 --> 02:09:35,987
why these men who murdered
the athletes

2546
02:09:35,987 --> 02:09:37,153
did what they did?

2547
02:09:37,153 --> 02:09:40,695
Not in any way
to excuse it,

2548
02:09:40,695 --> 02:09:43,654
but to try
and comprehend it.

2549
02:09:43,654 --> 02:09:47,362
You kill Jews, and the world
feels bad for them and thinks
you're animals.

2550
02:09:47,362 --> 02:09:49,821
Yes, but then
the world will see

2551
02:09:49,821 --> 02:09:51,695
how they've made us
into animals.

2552
02:09:51,695 --> 02:09:53,195
They'll start
to ask questions

2553
02:09:53,195 --> 02:09:55,195
about the conditions
in our cages.

2554
02:09:55,195 --> 02:09:58,029
<font color="#804040">Hoberman:</font>
The movie was perceived
to be suffering

2555
02:09:58,029 --> 02:09:59,695
from a sense
of moral equivalence,

2556
02:09:59,695 --> 02:10:03,237
which is really
the bravest thing
about the movie.

2557
02:10:03,237 --> 02:10:07,737
It's looking
for aspects of humanity
on both sides of this conflict.

2558
02:10:07,737 --> 02:10:11,362
Ambiguity is something that
you don't normally associate
with Spielberg's films,

2559
02:10:11,362 --> 02:10:14,570
and "Munich" is the film
where he went the furthest

2560
02:10:14,570 --> 02:10:17,570
in the bluntness
and the ferocity

2561
02:10:17,570 --> 02:10:19,654
with which he approached
that subject.

2562
02:10:19,654 --> 02:10:21,862
Did we accomplish
anything at all?

2563
02:10:21,862 --> 02:10:24,695
Every man we killed
has been replaced by worse!

2564
02:10:24,695 --> 02:10:27,612
Why cut my fingernails?
They'll grow back.

2565
02:10:27,612 --> 02:10:31,445
Did we kill to replace
the terrorist leadership
or the Palestinian leadership?

2566
02:10:31,445 --> 02:10:33,237
You tell me
what we've done.

2567
02:10:33,237 --> 02:10:36,987
You killed them
for the sake of a country
you now choose to abandon.

2568
02:10:36,987 --> 02:10:39,403
The end of this film
is not celebratory--

2569
02:10:39,403 --> 02:10:41,445
rejoicing in the death
of the enemy.

2570
02:10:41,445 --> 02:10:43,153
It is incredibly quiet,

2571
02:10:43,153 --> 02:10:44,737
and only
on the second viewing

2572
02:10:44,737 --> 02:10:46,654
did I realize
the Twin Towers

2573
02:10:46,654 --> 02:10:48,445
are revealed at the end.

2574
02:10:50,570 --> 02:10:52,779
<font color="#804040">Kaminski:</font>
We did several takes
of that scene

2575
02:10:52,779 --> 02:10:55,403
without having
that space in the frame,

2576
02:10:55,403 --> 02:10:56,904
and then we did one take

2577
02:10:56,904 --> 02:10:58,654
with having that space
in the frame,

2578
02:10:58,654 --> 02:11:02,071
knowing that he would put
the Towers in.

2579
02:11:02,071 --> 02:11:05,112
Steven knew that he's making
a controversial movie.

2580
02:11:05,112 --> 02:11:07,112
He just didn't want
to push the boundaries.

2581
02:11:07,112 --> 02:11:08,570
But then at the end,
he realized,

2582
02:11:08,570 --> 02:11:10,570
"You know what?
I'm already doing it.

2583
02:11:10,570 --> 02:11:14,570
Why not just go and say
what I want to say,
you know?"

2584
02:11:18,029 --> 02:11:21,570
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I made the choice because
I wanted people to say

2585
02:11:21,570 --> 02:11:23,445
"Munich" is the context

2586
02:11:23,445 --> 02:11:26,612
for problems that exist
in today's world

2587
02:11:26,612 --> 02:11:30,195
and basically
are threatening
to all of us.

2588
02:11:30,195 --> 02:11:34,112
You know, history
is its own reminder

2589
02:11:34,112 --> 02:11:38,278
of how bad things
can get.

2590
02:11:38,278 --> 02:11:41,529
And if we don't
solve these problems,

2591
02:11:41,529 --> 02:11:43,529
they accumulate.

2592
02:11:43,529 --> 02:11:45,445
And you can't--
there's no rug big enough

2593
02:11:45,445 --> 02:11:47,278
to sweep
these problems under.

2594
02:11:47,278 --> 02:11:50,570
And eventually,
something is going to happen.

2595
02:11:50,570 --> 02:11:53,529
And so, "Munich"
is a prayer for peace,

2596
02:11:53,529 --> 02:11:55,278
but peace the hard way.

2597
02:11:55,278 --> 02:11:58,320
You know,
peace by discovering
within yourself

2598
02:11:58,320 --> 02:12:00,862
your moral high ground.

2599
02:12:07,112 --> 02:12:09,029
All my films come
from the part of myself

2600
02:12:09,029 --> 02:12:11,112
that I really can't
articulate.

2601
02:12:11,112 --> 02:12:13,946
I certainly have
intuitive facilities,

2602
02:12:13,946 --> 02:12:16,821
but I don't really analyze those
or don't really question them.

2603
02:12:16,821 --> 02:12:19,195
It's like looking
a gift horse in the mouth,

2604
02:12:19,195 --> 02:12:22,237
and I'm almost superstitious
that if I start to
question that,

2605
02:12:22,237 --> 02:12:24,445
it's gonna, you know,
fly away.

2606
02:12:24,445 --> 02:12:27,153
<font color="#804040">Scorsese:</font>
I don't think there's
any doubt that Steven's work

2607
02:12:27,153 --> 02:12:29,779
deals with specific themes
in his life,

2608
02:12:29,779 --> 02:12:33,237
which makes him
a real personal filmmaker.

2609
02:12:33,237 --> 02:12:38,029
Do you understand
what we are saying
to you, Frank?

2610
02:12:38,029 --> 02:12:41,695
Your father and I
are getting a divorce.

2611
02:12:41,695 --> 02:12:43,570
And his express
through the images,

2612
02:12:43,570 --> 02:12:46,153
through the choice of story
and how he deals with character.

2613
02:12:46,153 --> 02:12:48,029
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

2614
02:12:50,529 --> 02:12:52,403
All of Steven's
sensibilities

2615
02:12:52,403 --> 02:12:56,153
were right in tune
with this young man's journey.

2616
02:12:57,695 --> 02:12:59,737
You're immediately
with this kid,

2617
02:12:59,737 --> 02:13:01,195
and no matter
what he does,

2618
02:13:01,195 --> 02:13:03,278
you know he's searching
for some way back

2619
02:13:03,278 --> 02:13:06,362
to repairing
this torn household.

2620
02:13:06,362 --> 02:13:10,029
- Have you tried
to call her?
- No.

2621
02:13:10,029 --> 02:13:13,029
Why-- why don't
you call her right now?

2622
02:13:13,029 --> 02:13:14,946
Dad, why don't you
call her right now?
Here.

2623
02:13:14,946 --> 02:13:16,737
Dad, just call her.

2624
02:13:16,737 --> 02:13:18,821
Call her for me.
You call her.

2625
02:13:18,821 --> 02:13:21,737
You tell her I have
two first-class tickets
to go see her son--

2626
02:13:21,737 --> 02:13:24,195
Your mother's married now
to my friend Jack Barnes.

2627
02:13:24,195 --> 02:13:27,570
- They have a house
in Long Island.
- Oh, no.

2628
02:13:27,570 --> 02:13:29,403
<font color="#804040">Scott:</font>
So often
in Spielberg's movies

2629
02:13:29,403 --> 02:13:31,071
the relationships
that matter

2630
02:13:31,071 --> 02:13:33,612
are the relationships
between parent and children

2631
02:13:33,612 --> 02:13:37,237
or members of a family
or members of a community

2632
02:13:37,237 --> 02:13:40,487
bound by affection
and loyalty and responsibility.

2633
02:13:40,487 --> 02:13:43,278
It's a huge theme
that comes up again
and again and again

2634
02:13:43,278 --> 02:13:45,570
in different phases
of his own life

2635
02:13:45,570 --> 02:13:47,487
and in different stories.

2636
02:13:47,487 --> 02:13:50,112
<font color="#808080">( tires screeching )</font>

2637
02:13:50,112 --> 02:13:51,862
Whoa! Hey!

2638
02:13:51,862 --> 02:13:54,071
Ronnie, hold it.
Hold it. Wa--

2639
02:13:54,071 --> 02:13:55,112
- <font color="#808080">( tires screech )</font>
- Hold it.

2640
02:13:57,278 --> 02:13:59,445
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
Family is a big element
in my life,

2641
02:13:59,445 --> 02:14:01,445
which is why
so many of my stories

2642
02:14:01,445 --> 02:14:06,987
are about separation
and then reunification.

2643
02:14:06,987 --> 02:14:10,987
Even "Lincoln"
is about separation
and reunification.

2644
02:14:16,487 --> 02:14:18,612
<font color="#808080">( screaming )</font>

2645
02:14:18,612 --> 02:14:20,112
<font color="#808080">( gunfire )</font>

2646
02:14:20,112 --> 02:14:23,779
- <font color="#808080">( sobbing )</font>
- <font color="#808080">( glass rattling )</font>

2647
02:14:23,779 --> 02:14:25,987
<font color="#808080">( screams )</font>

2648
02:14:25,987 --> 02:14:27,445
Barry!

2649
02:14:27,445 --> 02:14:29,529
I've made
a lot of movies

2650
02:14:29,529 --> 02:14:33,320
about a family
disintegrating

2651
02:14:33,320 --> 02:14:38,112
and then a family
finding common ground
to reunite.

2652
02:14:38,112 --> 02:14:41,112
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

2653
02:14:45,362 --> 02:14:48,570
<font color="#804040">Kushner:</font> There's a sense
that everything, including
the natural world,

2654
02:14:48,570 --> 02:14:52,112
conspires to pull people

2655
02:14:52,112 --> 02:14:55,237
or beings apart
from one another

2656
02:14:55,237 --> 02:14:57,946
and then to return them.

2657
02:14:57,946 --> 02:14:59,570
It's like
Shakespeare's romances.

2658
02:14:59,570 --> 02:15:05,570
There's a deep faith
in his work that...

2659
02:15:05,570 --> 02:15:09,195
what's lost
will in some way
be restored.

2660
02:15:09,195 --> 02:15:11,153
And I think
he is searching for that

2661
02:15:11,153 --> 02:15:14,862
in almost all the films
that he's made.

2662
02:15:14,862 --> 02:15:16,821
<font color="#808080">( piano music playing )</font>

2663
02:15:18,821 --> 02:15:21,237
<font color="#804040">Man:</font>
Now slowly.

2664
02:15:21,237 --> 02:15:23,112
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
My mom and dad
have a relationship today

2665
02:15:23,112 --> 02:15:25,529
which a writer
in a storybook

2666
02:15:25,529 --> 02:15:27,862
would be accused
of exaggeration.

2667
02:15:27,862 --> 02:15:30,403
I feel very lucky that
after all these years apart,

2668
02:15:30,403 --> 02:15:33,654
my parents
spend quality time
with each other.

2669
02:15:33,654 --> 02:15:37,195
- <font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>
<font color="#804040">- Nancy:</font> If you look
at the first 18 years

2670
02:15:37,195 --> 02:15:39,862
of Steve's life
and now, current day,

2671
02:15:39,862 --> 02:15:42,737
you would not know
that there was a huge chunk
in the middle,

2672
02:15:42,737 --> 02:15:44,445
that there was a divorce
and a separation,

2673
02:15:44,445 --> 02:15:47,195
a lot of tears,
and another man,
and another wife,

2674
02:15:47,195 --> 02:15:50,487
and, you know,
it looks like we were
one continuous, happy family.

2675
02:15:50,487 --> 02:15:52,570
We just lost the reels
to the home movies

2676
02:15:52,570 --> 02:15:54,112
in the middle of life.

2677
02:15:54,112 --> 02:15:56,654
Now she's back
in love with me.

2678
02:15:56,654 --> 02:15:57,862
Isn't that nice?

2679
02:15:57,862 --> 02:15:59,529
<font color="#808080">( music continues )</font>

2680
02:15:59,529 --> 02:16:03,403
<font color="#808080">( laughs )</font>
Oh, Leah.

2681
02:16:05,529 --> 02:16:07,612
Janusz, it'd be
a better two-shot.

2682
02:16:07,612 --> 02:16:10,570
If Dougie is here, okay,
then it's not such a spread.

2683
02:16:10,570 --> 02:16:14,278
- So, it's not a single.
It's over here.
- No, no, it's a single.

2684
02:16:14,278 --> 02:16:17,445
When we start pulling back,
Dougie comes into
the shot sooner.

2685
02:16:17,445 --> 02:16:18,695
And then we continue
with the move?

2686
02:16:18,695 --> 02:16:19,987
Yeah, we continue
with the move,

2687
02:16:19,987 --> 02:16:21,779
but right now
it looks like

2688
02:16:21,779 --> 02:16:24,195
- there's nothing in the center
but the window.
- Got you.

2689
02:16:24,195 --> 02:16:27,695
<font color="#804040">Hanks:</font>
Steven loves to be a part
of a big gang of people

2690
02:16:27,695 --> 02:16:30,362
and the company of filmmakers
who are making a movie.

2691
02:16:30,362 --> 02:16:32,695
It's a big, great club.
It's a big, great family.

2692
02:16:32,695 --> 02:16:36,779
<font color="#804040">- Spielberg:</font> Tom, action.
<font color="#804040">- Kennedy:</font> I think it defines
Steven's filmmaking

2693
02:16:36,779 --> 02:16:38,445
in many,
many different ways

2694
02:16:38,445 --> 02:16:42,821
because Steven is grounded
and feels very safe

2695
02:16:42,821 --> 02:16:46,112
inside an environment
with family.

2696
02:16:46,112 --> 02:16:48,403
He likes
close relationships

2697
02:16:48,403 --> 02:16:51,737
with a few people
who he trusts

2698
02:16:51,737 --> 02:16:54,278
and he can open
his life up to.

2699
02:16:54,278 --> 02:16:56,612
And then he's very reluctant
to have anybody leave.

2700
02:16:56,612 --> 02:16:58,779
That's it right there.
It looks great.

2701
02:16:58,779 --> 02:17:00,612
<font color="#804040">Kaminski:</font>
We work for Steven.

2702
02:17:00,612 --> 02:17:03,946
He's the boss,
but he encourages
people with talent

2703
02:17:03,946 --> 02:17:06,654
to use the talent,
to be brave with it,

2704
02:17:06,654 --> 02:17:08,153
to take risks,

2705
02:17:08,153 --> 02:17:10,695
because he wants to be
stimulated as a filmmaker,

2706
02:17:10,695 --> 02:17:12,987
but those
who he works with,
you know.

2707
02:17:12,987 --> 02:17:15,403
And that's
a really good quality
in a filmmaker.

2708
02:17:15,403 --> 02:17:17,320
<font color="#804040">Muren:</font>
He's very collaborative.

2709
02:17:17,320 --> 02:17:19,320
He uses his people
over and over again
on the films

2710
02:17:19,320 --> 02:17:21,487
because we already speak
a shorthand to each other.

2711
02:17:21,487 --> 02:17:23,946
- We've all worked together.
- And they'd come on
to full size...

2712
02:17:23,946 --> 02:17:25,904
<font color="#804040">Williams:</font>
He understands that people
and can serve him

2713
02:17:25,904 --> 02:17:28,362
and how to synchronize
his wishes with your own.

2714
02:17:28,362 --> 02:17:30,195
He would've made
a great general.

2715
02:17:30,195 --> 02:17:32,445
<font color="#804040">Day-Lewis:</font>
If you could say
that a film unit

2716
02:17:32,445 --> 02:17:35,153
can be like
a Special Forces film crew,

2717
02:17:35,153 --> 02:17:36,529
that's what he has.

2718
02:17:36,529 --> 02:17:39,153
His team works so fast,

2719
02:17:39,153 --> 02:17:42,612
so hard getting through
a lot every day.

2720
02:17:42,612 --> 02:17:44,403
Everybody on their feet,
applauding.

2721
02:17:44,403 --> 02:17:45,987
<font color="#804040">Day-Lewis:</font>
And I think you could
come to grief

2722
02:17:45,987 --> 02:17:47,862
very, very quickly
on Steven's set

2723
02:17:47,862 --> 02:17:49,821
if you weren't
very well prepared.

2724
02:17:49,821 --> 02:17:51,195
Everyone has to be.

2725
02:17:51,195 --> 02:17:53,487
And that creates
incredible energy.

2726
02:17:53,487 --> 02:17:56,445
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

2727
02:17:56,445 --> 02:18:00,112
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I work with my peeps,
and I have for decades.

2728
02:18:00,112 --> 02:18:02,153
I mean, I don't know
what I would do without them.

2729
02:18:02,153 --> 02:18:05,237
Roll sound.
Roll!

2730
02:18:05,237 --> 02:18:06,654
<font color="#808080">( chatter )</font>

2731
02:18:06,654 --> 02:18:09,112
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
I can't really have sanity

2732
02:18:09,112 --> 02:18:11,695
unless I have
familiarity.

2733
02:18:11,695 --> 02:18:13,612
And it's just
an extraordinary family

2734
02:18:13,612 --> 02:18:16,737
that I've been able to assemble
over all these years.

2735
02:18:16,737 --> 02:18:19,195
<font color="#804040">Kahn:</font>
I love being
part of his tapestry,

2736
02:18:19,195 --> 02:18:21,445
so to speak, you know,
like "Fiddler on the Roof."

2737
02:18:21,445 --> 02:18:24,654
<font color="#808080">♪ After 37 years,
it's nice to know... ♪</font>
You know?

2738
02:18:24,654 --> 02:18:27,529
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
Michael Kahn and I
are blood brothers.

2739
02:18:27,529 --> 02:18:30,195
He started with me
on "Close Encounters
of the Third Kind,"

2740
02:18:30,195 --> 02:18:34,695
and except for one time,
he's edited every movie
I made since then.

2741
02:18:34,695 --> 02:18:37,862
Janusz Kaminski
has done everything
since "Schindler's List."

2742
02:18:37,862 --> 02:18:41,862
But John Williams
is my oldest collaboration,

2743
02:18:41,862 --> 02:18:45,487
and I depend on Johnny
more than I've depended
on anybody

2744
02:18:45,487 --> 02:18:47,946
to rewrite
my movies musically

2745
02:18:47,946 --> 02:18:51,904
and put them a rung higher
than I ever could reach.

2746
02:18:51,904 --> 02:18:54,445
You know, if I had
to go back and recast

2747
02:18:54,445 --> 02:18:57,570
the creative team
surrounding me,

2748
02:18:57,570 --> 02:19:00,987
I wouldn't be able to work
as often as I do.

2749
02:19:00,987 --> 02:19:02,403
It'd be impossible.

2750
02:19:04,904 --> 02:19:08,029
<font color="#804040">Kennedy:</font>
Steven looks
at movies constantly

2751
02:19:08,029 --> 02:19:10,320
and over and over
and over again,

2752
02:19:10,320 --> 02:19:14,153
referencing shots
and framing and ideas.

2753
02:19:14,153 --> 02:19:16,862
That's something Steven does
all the time.

2754
02:19:16,862 --> 02:19:18,403
<font color="#808080">( boat horn blaring )</font>

2755
02:19:20,695 --> 02:19:23,403
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
Great filmmakers' works
live on to create

2756
02:19:23,403 --> 02:19:26,904
tremendous moments
of inspiration.

2757
02:19:26,904 --> 02:19:29,737
And so, one of the films
I still see every year

2758
02:19:29,737 --> 02:19:31,654
is "Lawrence of Arabia."

2759
02:19:31,654 --> 02:19:33,612
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

2760
02:19:39,612 --> 02:19:42,695
The shots,
the sheer vistas,

2761
02:19:42,695 --> 02:19:46,029
and the portrait
of such a complex character,

2762
02:19:46,029 --> 02:19:48,153
it's pure moviemaking.

2763
02:19:48,153 --> 02:19:49,737
Hey!

2764
02:19:49,737 --> 02:19:53,278
Hey! Hey! Hey!

2765
02:20:00,029 --> 02:20:01,946
Who are you?

2766
02:20:03,987 --> 02:20:06,987
Who are you?

2767
02:20:06,987 --> 02:20:08,695
Steven has always
wanted to work

2768
02:20:08,695 --> 02:20:12,320
in a kind of big, you know,
historical canvass like that,

2769
02:20:12,320 --> 02:20:15,112
and it took many movies
before he accomplished

2770
02:20:15,112 --> 02:20:19,112
that level
of masterly filmmaking.

2771
02:20:19,112 --> 02:20:21,821
<font color="#804040">Spielberg:</font>
Many years ago, Pauline Kael
gave me a really great review

2772
02:20:21,821 --> 02:20:23,987
on "Sugarland Express,"
but she said,

2773
02:20:23,987 --> 02:20:26,570
"Whatever's on the surface
might be all that is there.

2774
02:20:26,570 --> 02:20:28,071
There may be nothing
behind that."

2775
02:20:28,071 --> 02:20:30,320
And she was
absolutely right.

2776
02:20:30,320 --> 02:20:33,695
I hadn't grown up yet
through the movies.

2777
02:20:33,695 --> 02:20:35,862
That was going to come
in time.

2778
02:20:35,862 --> 02:20:38,112
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>

2779
02:20:42,362 --> 02:20:46,153
<font color="#804040">Maslin:</font>
Take a look at what he's done
over close to 50 years.

2780
02:20:48,612 --> 02:20:51,112
There's certainly
a lot of variety.

2781
02:20:53,320 --> 02:20:57,612
There are
some things he's done
that haven't worked,

2782
02:20:57,612 --> 02:21:00,654
but there is absolutely
nobody like him

2783
02:21:00,654 --> 02:21:03,529
and no film career
trajectory

2784
02:21:03,529 --> 02:21:07,237
that is anything like his
in the history of film.

2785
02:21:07,237 --> 02:21:11,362
He speaks cinema
as if it's his native language.

2786
02:21:11,362 --> 02:21:14,153
He is so fluent in it
that he does things

2787
02:21:14,153 --> 02:21:16,195
that nobody else
would dare to do

2788
02:21:16,195 --> 02:21:18,612
and they are
instantly recognizable

2789
02:21:18,612 --> 02:21:21,737
as things
that are purely his.

2790
02:21:21,737 --> 02:21:25,695
<font color="#804040">Scorsese:</font>
He has a dynamic sense
of real filmmaking.

2791
02:21:25,695 --> 02:21:27,403
I'm talking
about filmmaking of--

2792
02:21:27,403 --> 02:21:30,362
in the great
narrative tradition
of American cinema.

2793
02:21:30,362 --> 02:21:31,529
<font color="#808080">( distant explosion )</font>

2794
02:21:31,529 --> 02:21:32,946
<font color="#804040">Coppola:</font>
Steven was blessed

2795
02:21:32,946 --> 02:21:35,237
in that he could be
commercial

2796
02:21:35,237 --> 02:21:37,112
and he could do art.

2797
02:21:37,112 --> 02:21:39,403
That's why
I always compare him

2798
02:21:39,403 --> 02:21:40,987
to a kind
of George Gershwin,

2799
02:21:40,987 --> 02:21:43,570
because Gershwin
could write a Broadway show

2800
02:21:43,570 --> 02:21:45,987
or he could write
"Concerto in F."

2801
02:21:45,987 --> 02:21:48,737
He could both,
and very few people can do both.

2802
02:21:48,737 --> 02:21:50,612
And Steven can do both.

2803
02:21:50,612 --> 02:21:53,570
And that's a talent
you have to be born with.

2804
02:21:56,071 --> 02:21:57,862
<font color="#804040">DiCaprio:</font>
You think of
that young kid in Arizona,

2805
02:21:57,862 --> 02:21:59,237
in the desert,
watching movies,

2806
02:21:59,237 --> 02:22:01,445
watching television
incessantly,

2807
02:22:01,445 --> 02:22:04,612
one day sneaking his way
into a studio,

2808
02:22:04,612 --> 02:22:06,904
and manifesting
his own destiny.

2809
02:22:06,904 --> 02:22:09,737
It's a pretty fantastic
Hollywood story.

2810
02:22:11,612 --> 02:22:14,487
<font color="#804040">J.J. Abrams:</font>
He's found a way to take
his view of the world,

2811
02:22:14,487 --> 02:22:19,153
his wishful thinking,
his optimism,

2812
02:22:19,153 --> 02:22:23,237
and also his uncanny sense
of the thrill,

2813
02:22:23,237 --> 02:22:24,946
and sort of galvanize
the whole thing

2814
02:22:24,946 --> 02:22:27,737
into whatever the story is
he's telling.

2815
02:22:27,737 --> 02:22:30,112
It's authentically him.

2816
02:22:32,737 --> 02:22:34,612
<font color="#804040">Field:</font>
Steven has a part of him

2817
02:22:34,612 --> 02:22:36,612
that wants to see
something good

2818
02:22:36,612 --> 02:22:38,320
in the darkest
of the dark

2819
02:22:38,320 --> 02:22:41,112
or that wants
to just have a playtime.

2820
02:22:45,654 --> 02:22:48,987
And there may be people
who say he's not edgy enough

2821
02:22:48,987 --> 02:22:53,112
or he's not bitter enough,
he's not quirky enough,

2822
02:22:53,112 --> 02:22:55,612
or he's not dark enough,

2823
02:22:55,612 --> 02:22:58,821
but when it's all over
and said and done,

2824
02:22:58,821 --> 02:23:02,821
what Steven has left
is enormous.

2825
02:23:04,487 --> 02:23:07,987
To have both humor
and suspense

2826
02:23:07,987 --> 02:23:10,529
and adventure and heart

2827
02:23:10,529 --> 02:23:14,320
through his grand eyes
of storytelling

2828
02:23:14,320 --> 02:23:17,737
is a hell of a good thing.

2829
02:23:17,737 --> 02:23:21,612
<font color="#804040">Day-Lewis:</font>
Steven still has
an enormous appetite

2830
02:23:21,612 --> 02:23:23,821
for the work
that he does.

2831
02:23:23,821 --> 02:23:26,071
It's quite a rare thing.

2832
02:23:26,071 --> 02:23:29,487
You know, we all have,
probably, a shelf life.

2833
02:23:31,487 --> 02:23:34,737
Yes, we probably go
past that shelf life,

2834
02:23:34,737 --> 02:23:37,904
most of us,
without even knowing it.

2835
02:23:37,904 --> 02:23:42,362
But in his case, I think,
till the day he dies,
he'll be doing work

2836
02:23:42,362 --> 02:23:47,695
that he feels absolutely
viscerally compelled to do.

2837
02:23:55,529 --> 02:23:58,403
<font color="#808080">( music playing )</font>