Sabeena: Please validate my normativity

I just lost substantial respect for Sabeena.
b30wulf
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7784881/Starting-wrong-foot-Labours-Diane-Abbott-appears-rushed-ODD-shoes.html
06:35 b30wulf
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/12/12/11/22148650-7784881-image-m-33_1576149230824.jpg

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paradiso
Fundamental conclusion: She appears to be 'just another' female who is driven by her emotions with little sense of accountability or strength at key times.
paradiso
With a higher IQ, though.
paradiso
This is extremely insufficient.
paradiso
I find some beings to be pretty contemptible.
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such*
Roanoke
Did you knew life savers had a shelf life ? they grow old and get all sirupy and taste like cough medecine.
06:39 Roanoke
no
Ana_Ng
unlimited shelf life
Ana_Ng
but it can still sugarize
Roanoke
yeah. indeed. Honey > life savers.
Ana_Ng
https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/jWfGXxMs/67F84779-E789-4F97-84E4-96637BA55D4A.JPG

Roanoke
heh
Roanoke
yeah. irc in 2020. thaT puts us into a special kind of peoples.
paradiso
She expressed she was bothered that I didn't seem interested in her perspective on eating as a carnist.
paradiso
Imagine how out of touch you need to be to feel that way.
Roanoke
tvstars. Dude. they are INSECTS . dont you think they can adapt and survive way more millions years than you ?
paradiso
She's been a carnist her entire life, surrounded by almost all carnists everywhere she goes. Me, I've been a carnist my entire life.
paradiso
And, now, I'm a vegetarian/vegan. That's the new, different thing.
paradiso
She's never been a vegetarian/vegan.
paradiso
But we should spend a lot of time validating her carnisms.
paradiso
It's just atrocious.
paradiso
How should we do that?
Roanoke
insect adapts.
paradiso
"Hey, you know that cultural practice you have that you spend no effort in acquiring as it was given to you by your parents and is shared by almost everybody you know?"
paradiso
"Let's discuss that for awhile."
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paradiso
It's just wild.
Roanoke
insects will long outlive mankind. worry about yerself and yer cat.
paradiso
Imagine a person came up to you and said, "I was your sexuality my entire life, but then I modified, consciously, to another sexuality, and now when I think about my old sexuality -- your current sexuality -- I think it was foolish."
abumphone
^tetly
paradiso
Imagine if your first impulse was, "I feel really defensive as you're not validating my current sexuality."
paradiso
That is a literal child's response.
Ana_Ng
is a carnist an omnivore who chooses not to eat plant matter
Roanoke
we are on the verge of cloning dinosaurs. you think bees are a problem to clone ?
paradiso
Ana_Ng: A carnist is an explicit name for the thing that almost all humans have done since there have been humans: the usage of animals for food and clothing and other products.
paradiso
The dominant ways in cultures are often not named, as they're just 'normal'.
Ana_Ng
so it’s more than eating
paradiso
So, a vegan named that practice carnism a few years ago, as that's what sociologists and anthropologists do.
paradiso
Yes.
06:46 Ana_Ng
can a vegan wear leather shoes and eat gelatin
paradiso
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnism
06:46 paradiso
They cannot.
paradiso
Of course, these things aren't trivially easy, and so you do what you can do.
paradiso
So you might modify your shoe practice, as that's easy, and then modify your eating practice.
Ana_Ng
eastjinx: no
paradiso
All progress that reduces suffering is good.
paradiso
Carnism is a concept used in discussions of humanity's relation to other animals, defined as a prevailing ideology in which people support the use and consumption of animal products, especially meat.[n 1] Carnism is presented as a dominant belief system supported by a variety of defense mechanisms and mostly unchallenged assumptions.[1][2][3][4] The term carnism was coined by social psychologist and author Melanie J
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oy in 2001 and popularized by her book Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows (2009).[5][6][7]
Ana_Ng
don’t be ridikorous
paradiso
Imagine, then, that because you got slightly challenged by a person that has lived their entire life like you, but then mindfully changed, and you label their speech as religious.
paradiso
It's just a wild, instinctive, passive-aggressive defense mechanism.
paradiso
It's so incredibly transparent.