I've mentioned before that I've been doing rather heavy research into the notion of Wisdom, in Scripture, and the Patristic tendency to identify that Wisdom with the Son (something that is blatantly in Scripture, and that I hope to make some kind of inclusive point by. Probably in an article or something. Precisely what, I'm still figuring out. And if I want to do it at all, still, which I'm getting to.)

I've posted before Origen referring to the Son with she/her pronouns, and I've found another Patristic example of that, this time from St. Gregory of Nyssa. Which is fun and provocative, even if I don't know exactly what to do with it.

BUT...

...but I am annoyed by the volume of woo and heretical, Gnostic, new-agey silliness and bad, lazy theology that exists on this topic, and that I've also had to wade through, and that expressions of which are easily found.

It makes me wonder of what use there would be in trying to make a point about such things, because others are already doing this (on the internet particularly) but going far off the deep-end into woo and heresy about it.

So I'm frustrated and don't know if it's worth investing more time in.

I suppose the whole thing was always provocative to me for obvious reasons, but the proximity such things have to liberal nonsense makes me want to give it a rest and focus on other things.

I guess I just want to make a point that it's very Patristic and orthodox indeed to not see the Persons of God as all masculine in every instance or framing.

That point could be (and has been) made also outside of this vector. But it's what I've chose to research and work on.

And I also don't know if I'd come across as hypocritical for researching all this and making a fuss about it, and then having people know that I actually am NOT one who likes the use of non-masculine pronouns for the Person's of God, especially in any kind of liturgical setting, even if there is historical precedence for it amongst Saints and Fathers.

It's more me trying to argue that the usual assumptions made about the inherent "maleness" of the persons of the Godhead don't follow, in this case particularly with reference to the Son/Logos. So feminine and also trans people shouldn't feel like they don't have manners of relating to God. When I think, in-fact, they do.

Sorry, rambling.